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Talk me out of a truck purchase
« on: July 06, 2016, 02:43:03 PM »
I had a truck for a long time and I liked it.  My Dad always had a truck.  Men drive trucks.  I want a truck again...

Do I need it - no.  Definitely a want not a need.  Would it be handy - yes.  Can I do 85% of what I want to do with the car - yes. 

Current car is fine but it's not a truck.  I just sold my rental and I have the cash.  Current car + 10k out of pocket would be the cost.

Talk me out of this purchase, or into it.

I enjoy saving money but sometimes I struggle with the now vs later happiness part of it. 

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2016, 02:45:33 PM »
I have a ford escape hybrid.  It's not a truck but it does get about 30mpg and it can accomodate my rugged manly lifestyle.


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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2016, 02:49:36 PM »
"Can I do 85% of what I want to do with the car - yes."

You answered it for yourself right there.  The rest is you and just ego saying it's a manly thing.  Is it really manly to spend excess money on a vehicle you really don't need?  On a vehicle with more fuel costs and insurance costs just to say you're manly?  Are you any less of a man because you drive a more affordable car and pay less doing so?  Can't you rent a vehicle for those times you actually need a larger car and still save money doing so?

Get rid of the ego.  And this is coming from a navy fighter pilot who drives a hybrid.  I like my money to work for me and not for someone else.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2016, 02:57:38 PM »
What's the underlying reason you want it? 

Are you afraid of being seen as a wuss by family/friends/girls for driving an efficient car or riding a bike?  I would think "Men don't give a F*** about what other people think" would be even better. 

Are you trying to use retail therapy for something you're stressed over? 

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2016, 03:06:47 PM »
It really doesn't have anything to do with being manly, I just liked driving a truck more than a car. 

I think the struggle is living like I want now or in the future.  10k is a lot but won't change retirement much or at all. 

The end goal will be great but I don't want to be unhappy now and until then to reach it. 


What's the underlying reason you want it? 

Are you afraid of being seen as a wuss by family/friends/girls for driving an efficient car or riding a bike?  I would think "Men don't give a F*** about what other people think" would be even better. 

Are you trying to use retail therapy for something you're stressed over?

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2016, 03:21:27 PM »
It really doesn't have anything to do with being manly....

LOL, sure it doesn't! If that's really true, you should prove it by coveting a minivan instead. Same ride height/comfort, similar practicality -- but less "compensating."

(Disclaimer: I do own a truck (a Ford Ranger 4x4). My wife drives it, while I drive a 'girly' Miata.)

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2016, 03:40:26 PM »
How much is the car you would be selling / trading in? Do you have a long commute?

If you have an efficient car it might be worth keeping the car and getting a (much!) cheaper truck. That way you can save on gas / insurance/ opportunity costs, and scratch the manly itch. Of course theres nothing more manly than working on an older truck! : p

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2016, 03:49:59 PM »
Get a part-time job as a truck driver, get your CDL, that should get it all out of your system before you make a bad decision you'll regret :)

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2016, 04:04:04 PM »
Buy the truck man, preferably new and financed........that way you contribute to everyone here FIRE goals just a little tiny bit.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2016, 04:08:30 PM »
Woman here to provide another perspective.

Real men (secure men, that is) drive small cars and have fat bank balances. In high school we called them "little penis trucks". The larger the truck, the more he was compensating for, at least in our view. :)

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2016, 04:21:57 PM »
Buy an old Chevy or F-150 for pennies. DIY maintenance. Drive it only when you have to haul something or otherwise just every couple of weeks just to keep it ticking over (and to keep driving it a treat, rather than something you get accustomed to).

That's the frugal person's way to own a truck, to me.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2016, 04:24:10 PM »
You don't need to buy a jacked up diesel truck or anything like that.  Pickups are extremely practical and can get decent mileage.  Keep your eyes open for a 2.3L Ford Ranger or Mazda B2300.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2016, 04:31:13 PM »
Financial Samurai has a 1/10th rule for car buying: Spend no more than 1/10th your gross annual income on the purchase price of a car.

http://www.financialsamurai.com/the-110th-rule-for-car-buying-everyone-must-follow/

Seems to be a good rule of thumb.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2016, 04:34:07 PM »
Nothing wrong with a little 4 banger 2 seater with 2/40 air conditioning and a canine stereo (surrroooooooound sound).  I'd go at least 15 years old, make sure someone else worked out all the bugs.


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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2016, 04:34:55 PM »
Hot damn- I could have a really nice car if I went by the max allowed by that rule

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2016, 04:43:03 PM »
Woman here to provide another perspective.

Real men (secure men, that is) drive small cars and have fat bank balances. In high school we called them "little penis trucks". The larger the truck, the more he was compensating for, at least in our view. :)

How did you learn so much about little penises?   And in high school, yet?

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2016, 04:44:54 PM »
Hot damn- I could have a really nice car if I went by the max allowed by that rule

You better believe it!

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2016, 04:46:21 PM »
Buy the truck man, preferably new and financed........that way you contribute to everyone here FIRE goals just a little tiny bit.

This.

And you'll have a truck on hand just when your acquaintances and neighbors need someone to move something.  Or a house full of somethings.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2016, 05:13:11 PM »
What are the pros and cons of both choices?

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2016, 05:18:45 PM »
Don't buy the truck. Are you convinced now? =D

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2016, 05:27:27 PM »
I can't talk you out of it, because I love driving my pickup, especially now that I have the AC fixed.  I absolutely loved driving around town with the dog in the back, almost as much as the dog loved it (man I miss her).

However, I would not buy a new truck, or an expensive truck.  And I wouldn't want to drive one for a long commute if it sucked up gas.  Not sure where you are in OR/WA, but there is always a used truck out there! 

A confident man in a used pickup is just as sexy, if not more so, than a man in a brand new shiny pickup.  Most the guys I know who are always buying new trucks are douches and afraid of getting it dirty or doing anything you'd actually want to use a truck for, so I'm a little biased there.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2016, 06:09:38 PM »
What is your net worth and what is your annual spending?  These pertinent to decide if the extra 10k is spare change or a meaningful amount of money.  Also I want to add that you shouldn't buy the truck regardless of you answer to the prior question.  Good luck!  -prius/bike driving man

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2016, 07:40:45 PM »
Here, have some face punches!

So, what you're saying is that, even though you could sell current car and use the proceeds plus an ADDITIONAL $10K to buy a really new truck that will definitely look lovely until the first time it is used for a practical, truck-worthy purchase (such as hauling logs and fill dirt), what you're really going to do is keep current car for travel further than practical by bike and maybe purchase an old truck for ~$2K that will be appropriate for the two days a week that you are hauling gravel, wood chip mulch, and bags of trash.  And then you are going to push the excess into index funds/mortgage payments/select responsible, FIRE-plan-respecting action of choice. Right?  Riiiight?

Any purpose worth use of a truck is going to make a new truck gross.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2016, 08:06:27 PM »
This is certainly entertaining but I guess you did ask the group to talk you out of it.  I thought that the MMM lifestyle enabled people to afford the things that mean the most to them.  We can justify world travel but not pick-up trucks. I don't know where logic exists and dreams die around here.

I put 460,000 miles on my 1990 K1500 King Cab Chevy and I loved every minute of it.  It was my favorite vehicle of all time.  I battle every day not to buy myself a new-to-me GMC Denali Crew Cab or a Tesla.  I have a feeling if I actually did it I would not have anything to obsess over anymore.   

I am a believer that if you live a frugal lifestyle you should get what you want.  I also think that wanting is better than having in 98% of the situations that I face.  I will have a truck again I can promise you that but I won't be coming here for support lol.  I am going against the current here and supporting your decision to buy the truck.  DO IT!

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2016, 09:02:25 PM »
Don't do it.

It sounds like you're only buying it due to insecurity about not owning a truck , by the whole 'men drive trucks' thing.

A truck is a useful tool... if you need one. If you don't need a truck, don't buy one.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2016, 09:08:36 PM »
I tried to go a week without a truck this Spring when I gave my son my truck.  Didn't work out.  Went and bought a F250 4x4 2008 with 125k miles.  It was in great shape and I paid 10k.  All cash and less than 1% of net worth.  So if you're debt free and the purchase is a tiny portion of your net worth do it.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2016, 01:09:10 AM »
Why would anyone talk you out of a decision that will bring your life joy? If you want a damn truck, and it fits your spending values, why do you need to be talked out of it? If you smile every time you drive it, it's worth more than a beater minivan that will still cost you money and make you miserable at the same time. Be happy. Period.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2016, 06:08:20 AM »
Why would anyone talk you out of a decision that will bring your life joy? If you want a damn truck, and it fits your spending values, why do you need to be talked out of it? If you smile every time you drive it, it's worth more than a beater minivan that will still cost you money and make you miserable at the same time. Be happy. Period.

Because he asked us too?  If he asked us to to talk him into it, I'd have altered my response:) 

However, if the difference between minivan and truck is the difference between miserable and happy, then there are serious issues going on that should be addressed outside of the vehicle purchase, right?

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2016, 06:25:38 AM »
You should buy the truck. You will keep thinking about it every single day and every time you drive. Buy it used and pay it off in cash and stick to it for 5+ years.

In the big picture of things spending $10k will not make much of a difference as long as you have all your other financial shit straight.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2016, 06:30:57 AM »
Woman here to provide another perspective.

Real men (secure men, that is) drive small cars and have fat bank balances. In high school we called them "little penis trucks". The larger the truck, the more he was compensating for, at least in our view. :)

How did you learn so much about little penises?   And in high school, yet?

Outside of the southern US, sex ed is pretty common.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2016, 06:49:29 AM »
Buy the truck. You have to have a truck to feel like a man. You make lots of money, you should treat yourself a little.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2016, 07:20:17 AM »
If you have to ask my bet is you already know the answer.
FWIW I drive a paid off Toyota Tacoma purchased as a leftover model year no frills.
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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2016, 07:21:20 AM »
Truck owner here. Regular cab, long bed, 4wd. No power anything. I love it. Great A/C in it too.

My pros for the truck

1. My wife loves it. We sit up high, and feel way safer. Show me all the stats you want on how safety is an illusion, then ram me with your 18 year old Yugo.
2. I haul firewood and furniture frequently. Renting a truck every couple weeks would blow donkeys
3. My family owns a farm. This is a farm truck and I use it there
4. I'm a giant. It's really hard to find normal vehicles that I can sit up straight in at all, much less be comfortable
5. I haul strongman equipment to and from competitions
6. It's kind of beat up, it's paid off and I don't worry about it

Cons

1. Poor mileage

So what people are telling me is my wiener is small because I don't have optimal mileage. I get it. But the reasoning makes me wonder what they're compensating for to need to belittle my dong. Oh crap. Now I'm doing it. Circle of ensmallment.

All joking aside, I'm still thinking of ditching the truck and getting a smaller vehicle. Leaving the truck down on the farm where I use it the most. I almost bought a new one last year, but then learned to do the necessary repairs myself. I can't justify spending $35k on a new truck. If we didn't have the farm, I would probably get a car next, but it's still hard to imagine towing anything with a miata.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2016, 07:45:59 AM »
OP here, lots of interesting responses. 

I can assure you it has nothing to do with being manly or compensating.  I only included the manly part for the silliness factor.

Financially I am in good shape and the this purchase wouldn't alter any future plans.  Net worth around 400k and I save 50%+ of my income. 

Sometimes I think I belong in this community and other times I don't.  I believe / follow many mustachian ways but some things don't fit for me.

I mentioned in an earlier post that this decision is rooted in a bigger question.  The sacrifices made now to get to FI cannot be so life altering that they make the journey miserable.  I want
to be happy and live every day.  I'm going to order that extra beer, go get my daughter an ice cream cone (and drive there!) and do things that bring joy.  I loved my last truck
and the happiness it brought is something I miss.   

Although I asked the community to talk me out of the truck purchase I think I now believe more than ever that it is important to me. 

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2016, 07:56:52 AM »
You appear to strongly believe that buying things brings happiness and joy.  If your being happy and living every day is dependent upon this level of consumerism, then knock yourself out and buy that stuff.

It might also be worthwhile taking a long hard look at what you believe happiness is, and questioning why these things make you happy though.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2016, 08:04:34 AM »
OP here, lots of interesting responses. 

I can assure you it has nothing to do with being manly or compensating.  I only included the manly part for the silliness factor.

Financially I am in good shape and the this purchase wouldn't alter any future plans.  Net worth around 400k and I save 50%+ of my income. 

Sometimes I think I belong in this community and other times I don't.  I believe / follow many mustachian ways but some things don't fit for me.

I mentioned in an earlier post that this decision is rooted in a bigger question.  The sacrifices made now to get to FI cannot be so life altering that they make the journey miserable.  I want
to be happy and live every day.  I'm going to order that extra beer, go get my daughter an ice cream cone (and drive there!) and do things that bring joy.  I loved my last truck
and the happiness it brought is something I miss.   

Although I asked the community to talk me out of the truck purchase I think I now believe more than ever that it is important to me.

Do it, I love my truck and have not been without one since 1987. It has taken me on some wonderful experiences, help me make money that has helped me get to FI, help people. It is a tool in my lifestyle that works for me. What are you looking at buying?

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2016, 08:07:29 AM »
You appear to strongly believe that buying things brings happiness and joy.  If your being happy and living every day is dependent upon this level of consumerism, then knock yourself out and buy that stuff.

It might also be worthwhile taking a long hard look at what you believe happiness is, and questioning why these things make you happy though.

It always amuses me when people say that certain things make them happy, and you jump in to tell them they are wrong, as if you could possibly know.

I loved my last truck and the happiness it brought is something I miss.   

Who the fuck are you, GuitarStv, to tell him he's wrong?

OP, buy the damn truck.  It's not like you can't turn around and sell it if you decide it doesn't live up to your expectations; trucks have especially high resale value.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2016, 08:18:33 AM »
What kind of truck are you looking at, what sort of miles do you drive, and what would you be using it for?  Your initial post is vague enough that I don't think you've really thought it through beyond "Want Truck!"

For a "15%" truck, I agree that an older beater-grade truck (early 90s F150, RWD, base cab, some rust) would be perfectly fine - spend a couple grand on it, spend another bit on tools, maintain it yourself, and use it for truck things when you need a truck.  Keep the car.

I've got a perfectly good truck (Crew Cab, Long Bed, diesel) that gets used quite regularly as a truck, and rarely for just hauling me around (usually if it's empty, it means I'm on the way to Home Depot for lumber, the local garden store for a yard or two of dirt/mulch/gravel/etc, or something along those lines).  But I'm living on 2 acres that hasn't been lived on for many years, so there's an awful lot of work to be done.  I also ride an electric bike if it's just me getting myself around, so...

Plus, in the next year or two, we're getting a 5th wheel to do longer traveling and camping (because we enjoy doing that), and you can't tow a 5th wheel out to the middle of nowhere with a Prius (we plan to do multi-week cross country trips on a regular basis once the kid is a bit older).

So, what are you looking at, and what are you planning to use it for?

If your use case is "driving 50 miles a day to work but I want to feel like a man," and you're looking at a new or nearly new truck, yeah, that's sort of silly.

If you're looking at a beater farm truck for occasional use (which doesn't require $10k plus your current car), and it'll be dirty and have a beat up bed?  Go for it.

Basically, if your use case doesn't involve a good spray in bed liner and at least a 6' bed, you probably don't need a truck. :)

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2016, 08:27:01 AM »
You appear to strongly believe that buying things brings happiness and joy.  If your being happy and living every day is dependent upon this level of consumerism, then knock yourself out and buy that stuff.

It might also be worthwhile taking a long hard look at what you believe happiness is, and questioning why these things make you happy though.

It always amuses me when people say that certain things make them happy, and you jump in to tell them they are wrong, as if you could possibly know.

I couldn't possibly know, which is why I didn't say that he was wrong.  If you more carefully read the post, it just advises him to question the belief that things are the key to happiness.


I loved my last truck and the happiness it brought is something I miss.   

Who the fuck are you, GuitarStv, to tell him he's wrong?

The guy who didn't say that he was wrong?

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2016, 08:29:41 AM »
The guy who didn't say that he was wrong?

Yeah, okay dude.  By telling someone to go take a good hard look at and question their feelings, you're doing a pretty good job of implying they're wrong, even if not saying it outright.

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« Reply #40 on: July 07, 2016, 08:31:11 AM »
I agree with OP and chris (probably others in  here, but havent read the entire thing)

buy the extra beer, the ice cream, and the truck.

your finances seem fine and for some people, there is more to life than optimizing absolutely everything and saving every single possible dime you can.

i'll probably buy a truck in a few years...something old and cheap

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2016, 08:32:05 AM »
The guy who didn't say that he was wrong?

Yeah, okay dude.  By telling someone to go take a good hard look at and question their feelings, you're doing a pretty good job of implying they're wrong, even if not saying it outright.

Do you believe that owning/buying things is the key to happiness?

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« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2016, 08:37:15 AM »
The guy who didn't say that he was wrong?

Yeah, okay dude.  By telling someone to go take a good hard look at and question their feelings, you're doing a pretty good job of implying they're wrong, even if not saying it outright.

Do you believe that owning/buying things is the key to happiness?
is it the key? No. Can some stuff make you happy? Sure.
I suppose 100% of the things you own were purchased out of practicality? I'm sure you have never treated yourself ever.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2016, 08:37:47 AM »
The guy who didn't say that he was wrong?

Yeah, okay dude.  By telling someone to go take a good hard look at and question their feelings, you're doing a pretty good job of implying they're wrong, even if not saying it outright.

Do you believe that owning/buying things is the key to happiness?

The KEY to happiness?  No.  But does owning SOME things bring me more happiness than not owning them?  Absolutely.  It is not illogical to believe that things are not the key to happiness while also believing that certain things can bring happiness. 

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #44 on: July 07, 2016, 08:59:52 AM »
The guy who didn't say that he was wrong?

Yeah, okay dude.  By telling someone to go take a good hard look at and question their feelings, you're doing a pretty good job of implying they're wrong, even if not saying it outright.

Do you believe that owning/buying things is the key to happiness?

I recall, many times over in this forum hearing something along the lines of "mustachian isn't about minimalism or living an extremely frugal life. It's okay to spend according to your values so long as you can budget it." For example, in another thread the poster was advised that it was okay to spend 20K on a new garage provided it was in the budget. Yet every time it comes to transportation, the rule changes to "buy a clown car hybrid you pussy!".

OP, if a truck buys you happiness, buy a truck. But you can buy one hella shiny fancy truck for trade in +10K. I'm sure there are reliable 1/2 tons from the 70s through the 90s available for <5K. I know because the vehicles I've owned were 97 dodge 1500 (4500), 86 toyota p/u (2500), and an 86 k5 (4000). The only mistake I made was a new tacoma at 25K which ate up alot of my monthly cash flow. Luckily I rolled it after 3 mo at work and made out even :)
All were good and reliable, honestly I could have kept the dodge and bought/sold too frequently. Needed more maintenance than a 2000+ model yr but cheaper than making payments. TL/DR: Buy a truck if it'll bring you happiness. But based on your needs doesn't sound like there's cause to pay more than for a running 1/2 ton beater.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #45 on: July 07, 2016, 09:01:57 AM »
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Financially I am in good shape and the this purchase wouldn't alter any future plans.  Net worth around 400k and I save 50%+ of my income. 

Sometimes I think I belong in this community and other times I don't. I believe / follow many mustachian ways but some things don't fit for me.

I mentioned in an earlier post that this decision is rooted in a bigger question.  The sacrifices made now to get to FI cannot be so life altering that they make the journey miserable.  I want
to be happy and live every day.  I'm going to order that extra beer, go get my daughter an ice cream cone (and drive there!) and do things that bring joy.  I loved my last truck
and the happiness it brought is something I miss.   

Although I asked the community to talk me out of the truck purchase I think I now believe more than ever that it is important to me.

I hear you - though it depends what definition of Mustachianism really is.

Simple definition: live cheap, minimum material purchases. Do without. Luxury is Slavery
More complex definition: Life optimization. Realization that slavery to material goods is slavery. Big-picture view. Chase happiness.

What is 'happiness' anyway? Well I think the best definition is contentment in knowing you are doing the right thing and leading a good life. Being a good boy = true happy.

You mention the extra beer, etc as 'happy'. I think that's better defined as 'pleasure', which is a physical sensation, while happiness is more mental. I can watch a comedy and laugh and have pleasure but be an unhappy boy. Vis/versa, I can subject myself to physical pain/discomfort (working outside in TX summer, sitting at a desk 6-8hrs a day) and be happy, knowing it's a good decision.

Specifically with the truck: it's a material thing. Dollars are potential material things. You weigh it out. Sounds like you are pretty well convinced anyway. FWIW I was a 'lifelong' truck driver till I wasn't anymore in 2008. Still miss it sometimes. I still have a sports car, which derives me great pleasure while not greatly impacting my FIRE plans.

This is not completely non-Mustachian. The Founder himself, Pete, himself lives in rather high COL area for (I assume) the amenities. He rebuilt his house at large expense partly just to make it look nice. He mentions fancy phones, fancy lighting, high-end food, $1800 bicycles, and a $200 shower valve, while taking 2-minute showers twice week (or some such). The $200 shower valve brings him pleasure.

Look at the big picture and make a prudent decision. Then tell us gearheads all the dirty details on the truck when you buy it so we can live vicariously.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #46 on: July 07, 2016, 09:15:59 AM »
The guy who didn't say that he was wrong?

Yeah, okay dude.  By telling someone to go take a good hard look at and question their feelings, you're doing a pretty good job of implying they're wrong, even if not saying it outright.

Do you believe that owning/buying things is the key to happiness?

The KEY to happiness?  No.  But does owning SOME things bring me more happiness than not owning them?  Absolutely.  It is not illogical to believe that things are not the key to happiness while also believing that certain things can bring happiness.

That's a reasoned response.  Clearly you have given some thought to your own happiness and the effect of owning things.  That's all that I was trying to caution the OP to do.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #47 on: July 07, 2016, 10:51:07 AM »
It really doesn't have anything to do with being manly, I just liked driving a truck more than a car. 

I think the struggle is living like I want now or in the future.  10k is a lot but won't change retirement much or at all. 

The end goal will be great but I don't want to be unhappy now and until then to reach it. 


What's the underlying reason you want it? 

Are you afraid of being seen as a wuss by family/friends/girls for driving an efficient car or riding a bike?  I would think "Men don't give a F*** about what other people think" would be even better. 

Are you trying to use retail therapy for something you're stressed over?

I guess I took something different out of your original post. 

You're thinking you'll be happier with a truck, but is that really true?  What will you have to do to earn the $10k plus extra costs of running it plus lost returns from not investing the money?  Try going back and read MMM's post about Hedonic Adaption before you make any decisions.   Maybe the truck will make you happier than keeping the money, but make sure that a few years from now you will still be thinking about how much you love it when you slide into the seat.   

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #48 on: July 07, 2016, 11:23:44 AM »
How specifically would you need to truck? You mention a car is fine 85% of the time, but if the 15% is crucial then a truck may make sense (e.g., you rely on a car to get to work and live in an area where 4x4 is essential during blizzards).

I plan on getting a truck during FIRE (after trading in my Chevy Spark EV lease, lol). Our FIRE home will be in the mountains so a 4x4 vehicle is extremely useful/a necessity. In addition, we plan on towing a trailer to go on long road trips. Again, a truck makes sense here.

In sum, it really depends on your specific needs. If you want a truck with no real underlying necessity, then I vote no.

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Re: Talk me out of a truck purchase
« Reply #49 on: July 07, 2016, 11:34:12 AM »
Tacoma owner here...

Some people are just "truck people".  I get it.  I had a Toyota pickup truck for 16 years, used it for everything.  I then switched to a Toyota Matrix, more "practical".  I hated it, everything about it.  Drove it for 4 years then had enough and got back into a Tacoma.  Other than gas mileage, everything else about the Tacoma is better.  The Matrix was like driving a tin can. 

Sounds like you can afford it, go for it.  This site is great for certain perspectives but I don't buy into a lot of the extreme views regarding this area. 

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!