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JerdaBear

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Student Loans vs Investing / Introduction
« on: October 24, 2013, 10:31:58 PM »
Salutations everyone!

Let me start by saying I'm extremely excited to get to chat and meet all of you fine Mustachians! I'm always usually a lurker on sites like this but I've finally decided to come out of my shell and make myself known. I may not be able to offer much advice at this stage in my life because I'm a new Mustachian, but I'm very humbled and eager to learn from anyone willing to offer advice. Let's just say I have a bit of peach fuzz brewing on my top lip :).

Anyways, a little about myself.

I'm a 25 (going on 26) year old newly Registered Nurse in the Pittsburgh area. Essentially I had very little advice from my parents growing up on how to manage my finances other than the usual "go to college and get a good job and work the rest of your life" sorta advice. I've been working odd jobs since I was 15 (a local amusement park that paid minimum wage every summer) that sort of helped get me through college and pay for fun. I  knew in the back of my mind that saving was the way to go, but it always seemed like growing up there was never enough money to save because I would usually spend what I earned on my car to take me to classes, food, gas, and books with very little left over to sock away. Being that my parents were pretty poor, they had no way of helping me pay for school.

Sometimes I would spend money to go out and eat with my friends or see a movie. You could say my first mistake was going to college for a degree that had a pretty poor job outlook. All I can remember during those early years was that  "going to college is the only and best thing to do to get ahead in this world" - Armed with this belief, I kept my nose to the grindstone and kept working a part time job and going to school at the local university because I was told it was the golden ticket - the only way to make a decent living in this world. Unfortunately for me,  I was lazy and avoided all the STEM degrees because commuting to a university and working part time made it extremely difficult to study in those harder sciences. In fact you could almost liken my first degree to a liberal arts degree.  Part of me knew that I should change majors or quit going all together but I was rather tenacious. Fortunately 4.5 years later I was able to graduate.

Fresh out of college and trying to avoid paying the steep mountain of student debt I had accrued, I swiftly enrolled into a local community college to get my nursing license because it seemed like the thing to do to pay the bills. Now I didn't do this job strictly because it seemed like it had a better than average job outlook, but it fit my base knowledge and current skills fairly well. Long story short I've finally put my time in and acquired my RN License and have a semi stable job with roughly 45k (interest included) in student debt. I really don't have a "salary" but i earn about 21 dollars an hour and am guaranteed around 40 hours a week.

My only expenses at this state are: food for myself, my cell phone bill, gas and STUDENT LOANS. I did have about 2k of credit card debt I immediately wiped away. But nearly everything I've been earning has been going to my student loans. I figure if i keep like this i can be debt free in a few years - maybe as early as 1.5 years. Also I live with my grandmother and she fortunately doesn't charge me rent. I help out around the house when i can to offset this charge. At this stage I'm mostly terrified because I don't have a penny saved in my name. I've taken to my student loans as being a "debt emergency"

My questions is this. Should I keep destroying my debt without worrying about savings/investing (the no more harvard debt way) or should slow down a little bit? The interest on most of my loans is around 6%. Pretty soon all of the interest should be paid for so that I can start nipping away at the principle. Any advice would surely be appreciated.

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Re: Student Loans vs Investing / Introduction
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2013, 09:18:04 AM »
If you live with family and have no kids, you probably don't need much in savings.  I'd put maybe $1,000 in an emergency fund in case of car repairs (or, buy a bike!). so you don't rack up consumer debt again.  You'll be able to blow through those loans if you stay focused.  Question, though:  why are you pre-paying interest?  Are they private loans with a weird requirement attached?  Interest on my student loans is calculated monthly, so if when I make large overpayments it goes basically entirely towards principle. 

JerdaBear

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Re: Student Loans vs Investing / Introduction
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2013, 10:24:22 AM »
Thanks for the reply Fallstoclimb :)

Most of my loans are the usual federal loans. I've just been paying the interest off on those since i was still in my grace period. A few of them were subsidized and unsubsidized so interest had accrued. I think at this point everything is going to go to the principle. However I had taken about 13k in private loans from Wells Fargo. Over the years I've nearly 6k in interest had accrued since I was in school for so long. I've just been paying those off to with about 3k left. By December anything unpaid is bound to go onto the principle. Hopefully this helps. And I have no children or anything like that so that probably seems about right in savings to have (which i don't).

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Re: Student Loans vs Investing / Introduction
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2013, 10:40:57 AM »
I'm in  a similar situation as you with student loan debt.  However, I'm 45 and have a family.  I keep very little in savings -- about $2500, in part because I have big lines of credit available to me in case of emergency.  MMM has a post on this here http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/04/22/springy-debt-instead-of-a-cash-cushion/

Given your secure living situation and minimal expenses, I suggest you keep less than $2500 in savings and throw every dime toward those student loans.

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Re: Student Loans vs Investing / Introduction
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2013, 02:12:28 PM »
Three steps
1) Keep living like a student until your student debt is gone.  I feel like this should be a rule for everyone.
2) $1000 ish emergency fund in a savings account.
3) Attack those loans with everything you've got. 

I think you should be able to clear them  up within about 2-3 years.  As a nurse it looks like you'll be earning about $42k plus OT.  Also, over the next few years you should see some raises. 



JerdaBear

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Re: Student Loans vs Investing / Introduction
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2013, 09:13:47 AM »
Thank you everyone for the advice. I guess i'll just keep on chucking the way i have been. All the advice is greatly appreciated :)

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Re: Student Loans vs Investing / Introduction
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2013, 03:47:39 PM »
My wife and I have been hammering away at the student loans and it feels great. I hope you enjoy it as much as we do. Putting a huge chunk against them every 2 weeks has been worth much more enjoyment than we could possibly get from some restaurant or fancy car. :)

I just can't wait until these loan payments turn into investments.

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Re: Student Loans vs Investing / Introduction
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2013, 05:51:01 PM »
From my own experience, it is always best to clear your debt as soon as possible. I made the mistake to paying off my student loan slowly with a monthly payment of 200 dollars for 7 years, as it turn out only half of that money is paid toward the principle amount. So I spent one year living a student life to paid of the remaining amount of 23K.

The feeling from released from that financial burden was beyond description and it feel so good. 4 months after paid off my student loan now, I have accumulated a saving of 6K and my downpayment for my first house. You will be surprised just how fast the saving will build up once you are not longer servicing the loan every month.

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Re: Student Loans vs Investing / Introduction
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2013, 12:06:08 PM »
Not sure of your exact numbers, so you will have to calculate it out to see if this could work for you.

You can put your federal loans on IBR, for 3 yrs max, for the interest savings* and then focus on the private loans first. (This is where you have to calculate how much your payments will be if it is actually a benefit to you)

This way your fed loans payments will be extrememly low, and you can focus on the private loans first and possibly start investing and saving up for the next few years so you can then pay off your fed loans before the 3yrs is up.

Again, you must crunch the numbers to see if this could help you or not!!!

http://studentaid.ed.gov/repay-loans/understand/plans/income-based

*Interest payment benefit—If your monthly IBR payment amount doesn’t cover the interest that accrues (accumulates) on your loans each month, the government will pay your unpaid accrued interest on your Direct Subsidized Loans or Subsidized Federal Stafford Loans (and on the subsidized portion of your Direct or FFEL Consolidation Loans) for up to three consecutive years from the date you began repaying your loan under IBR.

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Re: Student Loans vs Investing / Introduction
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2013, 07:34:43 AM »
It sounds like you're on the right path, so I don't have much to add except encouragement. I hope you never know the feeling of having your student loans dictate your major life decisions, because you paid them off early.

Good Luck! You can do it!!

If you haven't already, join us in the student loan payoff gauntlet challenge, or start a new one!

 

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