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« on: February 11, 2021, 11:18:02 PM »
I made the mistake of picking a stock with a small % of my portfolio.

If the stocks keep tanking behind 30% of your price paid would you sell and rebuy at a lower entry point (even though you don’t  know if that would happen to prevent further loss?) or sell half?

ex APHA?

Ex bought at $27
Sell at $21 (30% loss) current price
Rebuy at $15( if it goes to that even)

Or wait it out

Can’t tell if this was created by a pump and dumb by others or the merger next week, so I feel like a fool to invest in this as I thought it was a good investment but losing 30% hurts even though small portion of the portfolio.
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2021, 03:56:44 AM »
As probably very, very few people have done any extensive analysis into APHA it's hard to give some advice on it. Would be hard even if. Why did you buy that specific one in the first place instead of the thousands of other single-names available for buying? A lottery ticket that didn't pay out in the end or any particular idea why it was a good investment relative to the myriad of alternatives out there? Do you have an opinion on what a reasonable value for this equity should be?

I had some single names I bought for no apparant reason, not much of the total stash, but some it was. Some went up some went down, net loss. I sold and took the tax break from loosing money and moved on. Came to the obvious conclusion that I really had no opinion, clue or interest in getting either so I realized the futility in the project.

APHA is 17 in pre-market now btw.


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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2021, 05:17:19 AM »
I made the mistake of picking a stock with a small % of my portfolio.

I feel like a fool to invest in this as I thought it was a good investment but losing 30% hurts even though small portion of the portfolio.

These are the two sentences that stand out to me, the rest of what you said doesn't really make sense when reading these two lines.  Sell it and don't do this again?

You don't seem to have what it takes to be a stock picker (that is not a dig in any way, as neither do I).  A short memory and not hanging on losses is probably required.  I've picked stocks before with a "small" amount of my portfolio, but by small I mean the amount of cash I'm also comfortable placing on a Blackjack table, where a 30% loss is expected....




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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2021, 06:36:14 AM »
Yup definitely not meant for any stock picking . I’ll stick with ETFs! 

My error was trying to “average down” before I realized that the price was dropping like crazy. Which caused me to put more in than I was comfortable doing.

 Just trying to figure out what to do now.
Also ops I forgot to write it’s the Canadian $


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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2021, 06:42:34 AM »
Before I consider this stock I'd figure out what your overall plan for individual stocks is in your portfolio.

You want a plan, in advance, so you don't have to make FOMO or heavily emotional based decisions.

Figure out your larger plan and then apply it here.

It sounds like your larger plan should be "only ETFs and index funds" and not include any individual stocks. If that's the case, you probably ought to just sell all of it as it doesn't match your plan at all.

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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2021, 08:31:24 AM »
Before I consider this stock I'd figure out what your overall plan for individual stocks is in your portfolio.

You want a plan, in advance, so you don't have to make FOMO or heavily emotional based decisions.

Figure out your larger plan and then apply it here.

It sounds like your larger plan should be "only ETFs and index funds" and not include any individual stocks. If that's the case, you probably ought to just sell all of it as it doesn't match your plan at all.

I'll chime in as someone who has rode stocks down through a 99% loss to bankruptcy. ..... One time mistake ..  (update, this has actually happened twice.  But the very first time I got a class action lawsuits settlement like 5 years later...)

Why did you buy the individual stock?  I do index funds but do have a little play money I'm using in contest with some others.

I don't buy based on technical analysis or momentum.... I buy based on fundamentals.   Anything else is really just gambling.   Cause if the fundamental isn't good and it goes down.... And you buy more of an over priced company .... What just happened to you keeps happening.

Also if you want to be a frequent trader, you need to know your entry and exit prices before you even buy.

Additionally - I keep a journal of all my picks with the date, what I bought, reason I bought, entry price and exit prices and any other reflection. If a trade goes south I read my notes and update my "rules" for future trades. 

It's been easy lately cause a rising tide lifts all ships.... It's substantially harder when the whole market is moving down.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2021, 08:37:52 AM »
From a newsletter i subscribe to:

There are periods of time where making money is hard, and there are periods of time where making money is easy.

The periods of time where it’s easy are few and far between. But you know when you’re in one, because the retail investors get involved.

If you had a Super Bowl party over the weekend, I’m sure there were some conversations about stocks in your house, from people who have no business investing in stocks. It is a national obsession.

After a while, investing will go from being easy to being hard again, and then everyone will go back to pipefitting or whatever else they do to earn a check. But now we have pipefitters who are contemplating leaving their jobs to stay home and day trade because it is just that easy.

You buy something, and it goes up. You can be your own hedge fund.

There was a study of day traders in South Korea some years ago. The researchers observed the behavior of a few thousand of them. After six months, 90% of them had given up. After a year, the 1% who were left barely had enough money to cover their daily expenses.

Nobody got rich. Don't expect those Lamborghinis you see on Instagram to stay parked in their driveways forever.

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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2021, 11:23:21 AM »
I guess I picked it as potential to go up and they had good 1 year returns. I thought it would be better to just buy and hold but the thought of bankruptcy on a company is nerve racking. One never knows I guess.

That is a great idea to keep a log.

So far I have not sold anything yet...


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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2021, 11:25:39 AM »
What about when prices go up? Do you ever sell a % once hit a certain return?


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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2021, 02:50:05 PM »
Would you buy the stock right now at its current price?  If not, then sell.  If you are not sure, then sell.  Only keep it or buy more if you are reasonably sure this is a good price and expect it to go up in the long term.
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2021, 04:13:48 PM »
Personally I would hold through the merger. As I understand it you will get .83 shares of Tillray for each share of Aphria that you own and tillray is worth 29 or so in todays trading. Check my figures to see if I am understanding it correctly.  Not to mention stocks go up and down all the time. But in this market all boats are rising. Keep in mind these two companies combined will be the largest marijuana company in the market place. They should be able to do something. Now saying all of that I don't invest in this market so I really know nothing about it.

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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2021, 05:48:50 PM »
So far I held. I haven’t done anything yet as I was hoping the price would come back up to the current level and I wasn’t sure what to do.

Thank you for your thoughts and help everyone too!


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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2021, 08:52:17 AM »
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/anchoring.asp

"Historical values, such as acquisition prices or high-water marks, are common anchors. This holds for values necessary to accomplish a certain objective, such as achieving a target return or generating a particular amount of net proceeds. These values are unrelated to market pricing and cause market participants to reject rational decisions."

The question is, if you have x # of dollars (current stock at current price), what would you do with the money? Is this the best use of it?

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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2021, 01:17:27 PM »
I thought it was a good investment but losing 30% hurts even though small portion of the portfolio.

Why did you think it was a good investment when you bought it?  Are those reasons still true? 

The answers to these questions are what should drive investment decisions. Not emotion, especially FOMO, which we’re seeing in the marijuana stocks, Bitcoin, sports memorabilia, and all the other Reddit driven stock bubbles.

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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2021, 02:03:11 PM »
I thought it was a good investment but losing 30% hurts even though small portion of the portfolio.

Why did you think it was a good investment when you bought it?  Are those reasons still true? 

The answers to these questions are what should drive investment decisions. Not emotion, especially FOMO, which we’re seeing in the marijuana stocks, Bitcoin, sports memorabilia, and all the other Reddit driven stock bubbles.

This is a thought one must constantly internalize.

Why did you buy it?  Hopefully based on performance of the underlying company and not just performance of the stock price.

That's a reason I have never bought Tesla even though it continues to climb. I just don't believe the fundamentals support the price.

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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2021, 09:43:48 AM »
I thought it was a good investment but losing 30% hurts even though small portion of the portfolio.

Why did you think it was a good investment when you bought it?  Are those reasons still true? 

The answers to these questions are what should drive investment decisions. Not emotion, especially FOMO, which we’re seeing in the marijuana stocks, Bitcoin, sports memorabilia, and all the other Reddit driven stock bubbles.
Next question should be "Do you think the market is mispricing the stock at its current price?  If so, why?"
For example: I did this with Nvidia back in 2015/2016 when I saw how dominate their video cards were in my corporate location (graphically intense simulator work). The cards were selling out everywhere because crypto was scooping them up.  DIY computer builds were raving about 980 and 1080 series of graphics cards.   Their stock price had been fairly flat for years and I didn't feel it reflected the demand I was seeing.  6 years later and the stock is around $600 and they still can't meet demand.

It's not enough to think a company is good.  Tesla is a good company, but their performance for instance doesn't justify their price currently which is why I don't touch that.  You have to spot a company that is underappreciated by the market, but you think the market will appreciate later.  Some great companies can stay underappreciated for years. Totally different beast if you start looking at cyclical industries like oil.

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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2021, 04:25:58 PM »
Thanks for these great insights.


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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2021, 06:31:55 PM »
I thought it was a good investment but losing 30% hurts even though small portion of the portfolio.

Why did you think it was a good investment when you bought it?  Are those reasons still true? 

The answers to these questions are what should drive investment decisions. Not emotion, especially FOMO, which we’re seeing in the marijuana stocks, Bitcoin, sports memorabilia, and all the other Reddit driven stock bubbles.
Next question should be "Do you think the market is mispricing the stock at its current price?  If so, why?"
For example: I did this with Nvidia back in 2015/2016 when I saw how dominate their video cards were in my corporate location (graphically intense simulator work). The cards were selling out everywhere because crypto was scooping them up.  DIY computer builds were raving about 980 and 1080 series of graphics cards.   Their stock price had been fairly flat for years and I didn't feel it reflected the demand I was seeing.  6 years later and the stock is around $600 and they still can't meet demand.

I'd add one more: it's worth reflecting on the lesson that this failed investment has taught you. I lost a sizable amount in a speculative investment back in '18, and that taught me two lessons: 1) never invest in something I didn't understand, and 2) if there's hype around an investment, approach it with even more caution than you would otherwise.

What's the lesson this investment taught you?

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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2021, 08:23:03 PM »
I thought it was a good investment but losing 30% hurts even though small portion of the portfolio.

Why did you think it was a good investment when you bought it?  Are those reasons still true? 

The answers to these questions are what should drive investment decisions. Not emotion, especially FOMO, which we’re seeing in the marijuana stocks, Bitcoin, sports memorabilia, and all the other Reddit driven stock bubbles.
Next question should be "Do you think the market is mispricing the stock at its current price?  If so, why?"
For example: I did this with Nvidia back in 2015/2016 when I saw how dominate their video cards were in my corporate location (graphically intense simulator work). The cards were selling out everywhere because crypto was scooping them up.  DIY computer builds were raving about 980 and 1080 series of graphics cards.   Their stock price had been fairly flat for years and I didn't feel it reflected the demand I was seeing.  6 years later and the stock is around $600 and they still can't meet demand.

I'd add one more: it's worth reflecting on the lesson that this failed investment has taught you. I lost a sizable amount in a speculative investment back in '18, and that taught me two lessons: 1) never invest in something I didn't understand, and 2) if there's hype around an investment, approach it with even more caution than you would otherwise.

What's the lesson this investment taught you?
Put less % in stocks and not to cost average down when it’s dropping.


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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2021, 12:34:42 PM »
What's the lesson this investment taught you?
Put less % in stocks and not to cost average down when it’s dropping.
Maybe not the best lesson...You can keep a large percent in stocks (80%+) just fine if you are diversified and not stock picking.  I try to not let any single position exceed 5% of my portfolio.

Cost averaging is ok if your answer to "is the market mispricing this" is still valid although it should give you pause and take time to reanalyze.  Sometimes a stock is just down with a broad market pull back, sometimes an earnings report miss or scandal comes up that sinks an individual stock.  Before you throw more money in you need to understand why it dropped.  I know Ameritrade has a long chronological ticker of news articles about whatever stock you want to see, so that can give you a quick perspective of what might have caused the swing.

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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2021, 12:48:30 PM »
What would I do?  Realize that I don't have the stomach for being a stock picker, as is clear by the emotions you are experiencing and the fact that you didn't really have a specific plan when you bought. 

I'd likely slowly pull my money out, committing to selling maybe 5-10% of my shares every week until it was done, regardless of stock price.  I'd do that in part because it sounds like this isn't a significant portion of your money, so you can afford to lose more or even most of it. 

Then I'd sit down and write a solid IPS and stick to it. 

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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2021, 02:54:33 PM »
It's not as big of a mistake as scratch-off lottery tickets or beanie babies.  It doesn't create clutter like collecting Barbie dolls.  But if it's fun to pick a stock or two or three, go for it. Full disclosure, I've worked on Wall Street for decades. The street is all too happy take your money.  It's never been the case that it's Wall Street versus Main street or David taking on Goliath (that one is popular lately in wake of the GameStop kerfuffle.   Any journalist (or headline writer) who uses that angle and presents retail investors as taking on Wall Street or teaching Hedge Funds a lesson either doesn't understand how the market functions or is simply lying to you on purpose.)

Whether or not you should buy or sell a particular stock (or other investment***) or should buy or sell it at a particular time, depends on your investment objectives and what your expectations are for that specific investment. The fundamentals still apply.  You might get lucky, but you can't time the market. And as an individual investor you will get the worst possible price on either a buy or sell order. That ought to tell you something, ie... don't do it.  But I get it.  It's fun and sometimes we can't help ourselves.  What is your risk tolerance?  How soon do you need the money?  What is your net worth, income, cash flow?  Those are rhetorical.  Don't put that detail on the internet in a public forum.  At least, not in answer to my question, because it won't change my advice. My point is that you should know the answer to those questions and how it relates to what you are trying to achieve. There are scores of fools who bought into a pump & dump scheme because of an internet forum and 99% of them could not afford to lose all the money they were all but certain to lose.

Personally, I've got an interesting and diverse portfolio. Vast majority is boring and covers the bases (low fee index funds).  And because I live very well below my means and have the bases covered, I have fun with investing in property, art, jewelry and antiques.  And I also own a few individual shares in a couple of companies.  And one of those companies I owned shares in did go bankrupt.  That burns.  It was never a big share of my portfolio, but it was my employer, so it was a double whammy. It drove home the point that loss happens. The art, antiques & jewelry could be lost to theft, fire, flood or other natural disaster. And if it were lost to theft, it would not change my life one bit.  Thinking about loss and insuring against loss reminds me of the other kind of loss -- and that's one's own personal health and well being.  It turns out, that's the #1 thing that you should invest in.  With your money, your time & your attention.  The health of yourself and those you love.  If you are sick over the rollercoaster of the individual stocks, sell right now and put the proceeds towards something healthy. 

***or other investment.  Same rules apply to any other investment, ie... home, rental property, higher education, options, derivatives, bonds, etc.  Your objectives matter.  And they matter far more than the opinion of the herd. Does the move meet your objectives?   
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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2021, 06:30:44 PM »
Wow these are great stories of experience and advice.

The price of the share flipped back to net of what I put in. So I have sold these as the stock is too volatile. 30% fluctuations daily is a bit too much for me.

I’ll also keep to the less than 5% in the future to be safe. I started that way but ended up buying too much on the average down and I’m not sure if this is due to a pump and dump as well.

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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2021, 10:39:50 AM »
Wow these are great stories of experience and advice.

The price of the share flipped back to net of what I put in. So I have sold these as the stock is too volatile. 30% fluctuations daily is a bit too much for me.

I’ll also keep to the less than 5% in the future to be safe. I started that way but ended up buying too much on the average down and I’m not sure if this is due to a pump and dump as well.
You should examine a stock's Beta before buying in.  That is a measure of the volatility.  30% daily swings is fairly volatile.

If your 5% single stock position is dropping you should be able to buy back up to the 5% position in without exceeding the 5% unless your entire portfolio is also dropping.

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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2021, 03:23:55 PM »
And as an individual investor you will get the worst possible price on either a buy or sell order.
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Don't disagree on the truth in the statement, but for an individual buying for the long term or buying something with the hope of it going to to the moon it doesn't really matter that much if an order gets filled on the bid or offered side of the market - the profit of the market maker will just take a miniscule part of of the total anyway. In percentage points the bid/offer is pretty tight for retail-sized orders. For someone making markets how far from mid they can buy and sell matters a lot as it's the modus operandi of a market maker to make money on the spread but for someone buying a few shares of whatever it's not really of any great importance. Its not that relevant, if you plan to own for a few decades, if you sent in the buy order on Monday or Tuesday 20-30 years ago. If you aim for something to double or triple it doesn't really matter if you got filled at your bid, at mid or at 1% above mid. You make a ton of money anyway if the bet turned out to be a lucky one. Some made a fuckton on crypto regardless of transaction costs being exorbitant compared to equities markets.

If you daytrade at a high frequency it matters a lot more.

I see this quite a lot at work, buy-side-clients who used to be sell-side can be obsessed with how close to mid they can trade, they just don't manage to switch mentality into the actual price matters when you are an end user, the game ain't the same as when they used to make markets and didn't really care that much if market went up or down as long as they could buy cheaper than they sold.

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« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2021, 11:44:53 AM »
Wow these are great stories of experience and advice.

The price of the share flipped back to net of what I put in. So I have sold these as the stock is too volatile. 30% fluctuations daily is a bit too much for me.

I’ll also keep to the less than 5% in the future to be safe. I started that way but ended up buying too much on the average down and I’m not sure if this is due to a pump and dump as well.
"... the SEC requires funds to tell investors that a fund's past performance does not necessarily predict future results."
https://www.sec.gov/answers/mperf.htm

The same can be said for stocks.  When you pick a stock with a 356% return over the past year, you're expecting past performance predicts future results.  Not according to the Securities and Exchange Commission, which is why it doesn't allow mutual funds to make that claim.

Some tips for those considering stock picking: have a small, separate account so you're not tempted to push more retirement money into stock picks.  Also, free websites like Yahoo Finance and Morningstar can provide a lot of useful information.

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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2021, 06:55:09 AM »
Stock picking / swing trading is also a little fatigue inducing.

Even when crushing it , you may have 12 good trades and 8 that lost on a 20 trade sample. Due to the documented phenomenon of people feeling loss 3x more....those 8 bad ones are a real buzz kill.

Compared to a whole market index that just happily matches onward and upward with no thought.

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« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2021, 04:28:32 PM »
After a short time of day/swing trading and stock trading in the small 5% of my portfolio it is just too tiring. Just going to sit and invest in the lows and not bother anymore. Too much stress for too little reward. Win some and then loose some.

I did write a IPS to stick by and that is better than looking at the micro up and downs each day if a particular stock or two.

Like many of you said it’s better to Invest that time elsewhere. 


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« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2021, 04:39:02 PM »
Stock picking / swing trading is also a little fatigue inducing.

Even when crushing it , you may have 12 good trades and 8 that lost on a 20 trade sample. Due to the documented phenomenon of people feeling loss 3x more....those 8 bad ones are a real buzz kill.

Compared to a whole market index that just happily matches onward and upward with no thought.
This is so true! Gain some and then as stressful and  to lose it all back and then some vs just buying and holding.


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« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2021, 11:49:59 AM »
After a short time of day/swing trading and stock trading in the small 5% of my portfolio it is just too tiring. Just going to sit and invest in the lows and not bother anymore. Too much stress for too little reward. Win some and then loose some.

I did write a IPS to stick by and that is better than looking at the micro up and downs each day if a particular stock or two.

Like many of you said it’s better to Invest that time elsewhere. 


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Just curious... how does your IPS define "invest in the lows" and what do you do if there isn't a low for a while and you have money sitting idle?

I'm interested to see how an IPS could be written to account for investing in a low, when all that I've seen tend to just have regular timed investments regardless of market conditions, like "Twice a month out of my pay checks" or "when I have a balance of $5000 in checking after all cycle bills are paid", or something like that.   

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« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2021, 05:13:17 PM »
After a short time of day/swing trading and stock trading in the small 5% of my portfolio it is just too tiring. Just going to sit and invest in the lows and not bother anymore. Too much stress for too little reward. Win some and then loose some.

I did write a IPS to stick by and that is better than looking at the micro up and downs each day if a particular stock or two.

Like many of you said it’s better to Invest that time elsewhere. 


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Just curious... how does your IPS define "invest in the lows" and what do you do if there isn't a low for a while and you have money sitting idle?

I'm interested to see how an IPS could be written to account for investing in a low, when all that I've seen tend to just have regular timed investments regardless of market conditions, like "Twice a month out of my pay checks" or "when I have a balance of $5000 in checking after all cycle bills are paid", or something like that.
I just kept cash sitting on the side and look at the months lows and put in an buy. If it drops it takes like today. I guess if it keeps going up I’ll still also invest but not as much. Not sure if this strategy is the best either.


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« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2021, 02:46:28 PM »
After a short time of day/swing trading and stock trading in the small 5% of my portfolio it is just too tiring. Just going to sit and invest in the lows and not bother anymore. Too much stress for too little reward. Win some and then loose some.

I did write a IPS to stick by and that is better than looking at the micro up and downs each day if a particular stock or two.

Like many of you said it’s better to Invest that time elsewhere. 


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Just curious... how does your IPS define "invest in the lows" and what do you do if there isn't a low for a while and you have money sitting idle?

I'm interested to see how an IPS could be written to account for investing in a low, when all that I've seen tend to just have regular timed investments regardless of market conditions, like "Twice a month out of my pay checks" or "when I have a balance of $5000 in checking after all cycle bills are paid", or something like that.
I just kept cash sitting on the side and look at the months lows and put in an buy. If it drops it takes like today. I guess if it keeps going up I’ll still also invest but not as much. Not sure if this strategy is the best either.


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It still sounds like market timing, and it also sounds very non-specific, if I'm understanding correctly, which seems like the biggest problem.  The main point of an IPS is to make all the decisions when they are just theoretical so your emotions or fears don't play into it. All you have to do is execute the decisions you pre-made.  But your plan doesn't specific how much cash you "keep on the side", how much of a drop constitutes a buy-trigger and how much you buy, and how long you wait and hold the cash (and lose out on all that growth!) before caving and investing (and again, at that point you'd have lost out on all that growth while waiting for a low that never came).

You know the expression "time in the market is more important than timing the market", or all the similar iterations?  Yeah, that.  Just invest twice a month (or whatever makes sense for you) whatever money you have to invest, regardless of what the market is doing.

If you feel you *must* play and try to time the market, make that an entirely separate thing.  Write your IPS for the above, then give yourself a certain dollar amount (or % of assets) that becomes your gambling money.  This should be a small amount and you should be prepared to lose all of it. And then you take that $5000 (or whatever) and time the market to your hearts content.  Buy, sell, trade, short, whatever, as much as you want, but only with that $5000. 

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« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2021, 03:39:10 PM »
How do you also get more funds. Other than investing extra $ saved?

Do you sell from the ones that are making a lot of $? Or is rebalancing specific to selling some funds which are too high  and just rebuying the same day back into funds that are too low to rebalance?


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« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2021, 05:40:10 PM »
How do you also get more funds. Other than investing extra $ saved?

Do you sell from the ones that are making a lot of $? Or is rebalancing specific to selling some funds which are too high  and just rebuying the same day back into funds that are too low to rebalance?


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There are 2 main ways of rebalancing.  You can sell from fund A and use that to buy into fund B.  Or you can simply reallocated future contributions.  So if A is too high and B is too low and you'd been putting 50%  in each, then you might change that so 25% goes to A and 75% to be, so that over time you get back to the place you want to be. 

Is that what you mean when you ask how you get more funds? 

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« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2021, 07:54:54 PM »
How do you also get more funds. Other than investing extra $ saved?

Do you sell from the ones that are making a lot of $? Or is rebalancing specific to selling some funds which are too high  and just rebuying the same day back into funds that are too low to rebalance?


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There are 2 main ways of rebalancing.  You can sell from fund A and use that to buy into fund B.  Or you can simply reallocated future contributions.  So if A is too high and B is too low and you'd been putting 50%  in each, then you might change that so 25% goes to A and 75% to be, so that over time you get back to the place you want to be. 

Is that what you mean when you ask how you get more funds?
Yes. Thank you. Which way would be recommended? As well how often should one rebalance a portfolio?


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« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2021, 10:07:07 AM »
How do you also get more funds. Other than investing extra $ saved?

Do you sell from the ones that are making a lot of $? Or is rebalancing specific to selling some funds which are too high  and just rebuying the same day back into funds that are too low to rebalance?


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There are 2 main ways of rebalancing.  You can sell from fund A and use that to buy into fund B.  Or you can simply reallocated future contributions.  So if A is too high and B is too low and you'd been putting 50%  in each, then you might change that so 25% goes to A and 75% to be, so that over time you get back to the place you want to be. 

Is that what you mean when you ask how you get more funds?
Yes. Thank you. Which way would be recommended? As well how often should one rebalance a portfolio?


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I personally check my funds against my target AA twice a year.  If they are off between 5-10%, I change future investments.  If they are off more than that (but they never had been!) then I would sell to get close t

o my target. But that's just me.  It is different for everyone. It also matters whether any of those changes or trades will cost you money.  And it matters how hands on you are. Sometimes, I forget to do my mid-year check, because I'm not someone who is in to the numbers and I don't really care what my portfolio is doing, in many senses.  So it may be only annual.  (At the start of the year, I definitely do is at that's time to also adjust the % of paycheck invested in order to meet the year's limit and I reset the allocation at that time as well, so I don't ever skip that.)

How often also depends on how volatile your portfolio selections are, and also what your IPS says about when you will rebalance.  (When it is 5% off?  10% off?  And do you track only major categories like US/International, or do you break US also into large and small cap, for example?) 

So that's not a question I can answer for you. 

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« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2021, 07:30:14 AM »
How do you also get more funds. Other than investing extra $ saved?

Do you sell from the ones that are making a lot of $? Or is rebalancing specific to selling some funds which are too high  and just rebuying the same day back into funds that are too low to rebalance?


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There are 2 main ways of rebalancing.  You can sell from fund A and use that to buy into fund B.  Or you can simply reallocated future contributions.  So if A is too high and B is too low and you'd been putting 50%  in each, then you might change that so 25% goes to A and 75% to be, so that over time you get back to the place you want to be. 

Is that what you mean when you ask how you get more funds?
Yes. Thank you. Which way would be recommended? As well how often should one rebalance a portfolio?


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I personally check my funds against my target AA twice a year.  If they are off between 5-10%, I change future investments.  If they are off more than that (but they never had been!) then I would sell to get close t

o my target. But that's just me.  It is different for everyone. It also matters whether any of those changes or trades will cost you money.  And it matters how hands on you are. Sometimes, I forget to do my mid-year check, because I'm not someone who is in to the numbers and I don't really care what my portfolio is doing, in many senses.  So it may be only annual.  (At the start of the year, I definitely do is at that's time to also adjust the % of paycheck invested in order to meet the year's limit and I reset the allocation at that time as well, so I don't ever skip that.)

How often also depends on how volatile your portfolio selections are, and also what your IPS says about when you will rebalance.  (When it is 5% off?  10% off?  And do you track only major categories like US/International, or do you break US also into large and small cap, for example?) 

So that's not a question I can answer for you.
Thanks this really helps!


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