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Stash vs. (Non-Stash-Based) Income Stream
« on: November 21, 2014, 01:50:35 PM »
Is it better to have a liquid (or liquidatable) stash than an income stream not derived from a stash (such as a pension) with an equivalent present value?

My gut tells me yes, because the former provides more flexibility--the stash equips you to deal with unexpected expenses and self-insure against risks  in a way that the income stream does not.  But I think I reach this conclusion only because it's impossible to predict our future expenses with 100% certainty (after all, strictly speaking, the answer to the question, read literally, has to be "no", because it would be a contradiction in terms to say the income stream has an "equivalent present value" if in fact it is in any way worth less than the lump sum stash).

To illustrate, let's assume your crystal ball can accurately tell you exactly (i) when you will die; (ii) what your investment returns will be until then; (iii) what the inflation rate will be until then; and (iv) what your expenses will be until then.  With this information, you can determine what size stash you need to fund your retirement down to the penny (and bounce the check to the underwriter).  In this scenario, I think the value to you of a stash of this size is exactly the same as that of an income stream that will cover every penny of your retirement--no better, no worse.

But now assume the crystal ball has a blind spot, and can tell you everything above except what your future expenses will be.  So, like the rest of us, you now have to make an assumption about your future expenses (based on your current expense levels and your educated guesses about the future).  Using that assumption, you can still calculate the exact stash size you need.  In this scenario, though, I think it is better to have a stash of that size than to live "paycheck to paycheck" on an income stream that is sufficient to fund the same expected expenses (because, if your expense assumptions don't pan out, you can tap the stash).  Or am I just fooling myself?  Even if you have a stash to tap for unexpected expenses, once you do tap it, it is no longer sufficient to satisfy your future expected expenses, and you are going to have to make up the shortfall somehow anyway.

Anyone have thoughts on this issue? 

(Not that it really matters, but the impetus behind this post is that I'm trying to figure out how the value of the income stream from my rental apartment (which is a second unit in my primary residence and which I intend to treat as a non-liquidatable asset / sunk cost for all intents and purposes of my retirement planning) compares to value of the liquid investments I otherwise could have purchased with the portion of the home's purchase price that is allocable to the rental unit.)

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Re: Stash vs. (Non-Stash-Based) Income Stream
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2014, 02:02:08 PM »
Instead of trying to come up with a net present value, just offset your required 'stache income by your rental income. 

For example: 

Annual expenses                                                             $30,000
Rental income (less vacancy and maintainance reserve)      $5,000

Required 'stache income                                                    $25,000

Required 'stache at 25x with rental                                     $625k
Required 'stache without rental                                           $750k

Sure housing is less liquid, but I still like having a little as there is nothing easier to leverage, it tends to hold well against inflation, and it adds diversity.

If you really want to dig into your returns vs the market I would try to come up with a return on equity, but, warning, this can be pretty difficult to do accurately.                                                     

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Re: Stash vs. (Non-Stash-Based) Income Stream
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2014, 02:17:20 PM »
Instead of trying to come up with a net present value, just offset your required 'stache income by your rental income.                                                 

Yes, that is what I do, but that is precisely what led to this question.  In your example, the two alternatives both support the same amount of annual spending, but under one you have a bigger stash (again, I want to pretend that my rental apartment has no liquidatable value--so in your example, let's replace the rental income with pension income).  Is one alternative better than the other?  That was my question.

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Re: Stash vs. (Non-Stash-Based) Income Stream
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2014, 02:55:06 PM »
Nope, they both have their advantages.  Best to have some of both.

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Re: Stash vs. (Non-Stash-Based) Income Stream
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2014, 11:53:46 AM »
It's pretty much six of one, half a dozen of the other in many cases, assuming you've sussed the risks.
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Re: Stash vs. (Non-Stash-Based) Income Stream
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2014, 01:05:57 PM »
In reality (where it is impossible to predict the future), which of the two options you view as better will depend on which of your assumptions you view as most important to insure against--e.g., if you are most concerned about underperformance of your investments, you would choose a guaranteed income stream over a lump sum; if you are most concerned about incurring unexpected expenses, you would choose the lump sum.  I think my initial post was really just a long-winded way of coming to this conclusion.