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FormerHomemaker

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Starting the FI journey in my 40s?
« on: September 30, 2018, 11:08:10 AM »
Hi, everyone.

I'm recently divorced, in my early 40s, and have just discovered the FI concept. Obviously I won't be retiring at 35! But the concept of FI has given me hope that I won't have to work until I'm in the grave and reduced the absolute terror I had about my future.

I recently ended an abusive marriage, after 20 years as a homemaker. The good news is that I have no debt. The bad news is that I only have $3,000 to my name and am working and going back to school to get a technical degree, after which time all support payments stop. I also don't have flexibility about where I live for the next 3 years because it could affect custody. I'm in the marital home.

I have $100-$200 a month I can invest and $900 in a Janus fund (invested for me by my dad before I was married).

I have always had a frugal mindset, the kids and I make all our meals (most from scratch), and we do inexpensive things for fun such as hiking, camping, and board games.

Including support payments and my job, I have about 35K a year in income. I'm working on developing side-hustles, but right now I have to maintain my sanity, be there for my kids, and keep up a very high GPA. After I complete my program, the average starting salary is 55K, and I can get additional training and move up to 75K. Some people make 90K, but it takes a long time to get there.

So, any ideas for what else I can do now? What should I do with the little bit I have to invest?
What should I be looking at doing when I graduate in 2021?

At my age, how do I calculate how much money I'll need to achieve FI? Do I still multiply by 25?

Thank you in advance for your help!

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Re: Starting the FI journey in my 40s?
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2018, 11:49:22 AM »
Hi @FormerHomemaker ! Welcome!

First of all, great to hear you've escaped an abusive marriage. That's the best decision you could have made in your life. Also, good to hear you're going back to school to get a degree. It sounds like you married and quit working young so getting a degree is going to be vital for you to find a stable job with good benefits.

If you have $3000 and no debt, you have custody of several children and you're in the former marital home. I have a few more questions:
- how old are your kids? Young, primary school, high school?
- do you own the marital home without a mortgage, is there still a mortgage on the propery, is there some type of deal with your ex-husband that you can stay there for an X-amount of time? Or are you renting?

In general, as a single mother, working a job and going to college, I think it's vital to have a good emergency fund. You don't want to get behind on bills if you lose your job for some reason, or your ex doesn't pay in time, or your car breaks down etc etc. Of course the exact sum depends on your personal situation, but if I were you I would aim for about 6 months in expenses. Looking at your income and how much you can save, that's probably around $15.000 . Yes, that's a boatload of money and it's going to take time for you to save that kind of money. But it's much better than ending up in debt due to some emergency when you're debt-free now.

Doing some simple maths, that sounds like until you're done at college, if I were you, my first goal would be to save money in your EF instead of investing. You're probably not going to reach that 15k while in college, but if you are used to living on 35k and get by, that means you can immediately start to invest 20k a year as soon as you find a job and possibly 40k year in the future when you have completed additional training. I'm not American, but other people on MMM can tell you exactly how you can save this money in a tax-deferred account, which basically means you end up with a lot more money compared to investing post-tax.

The 25 x spending rule almost guarantees that you're never going to have to touch the principal. You can retire on less money than 25 x spending, but it means that you might run out of money at some point in the future. If you get any type of pension or social security when you're older, or are willing to sell an expensive home and downsize, the amount of money you would need to retire would decrease. Also, sooner or later, your kids will not be financially dependent on you anymore, so your spending will decrease.

Say you would need 25k in income every year to retire. That means having a stash of $625k. If you would get 10k in social security or a pension, you would only need an additional 15k which means a stash of $375k. Downsizing might allow you to free up $100k or more. A stash of $625k sounds like a massive amount of money, but assuming a 7% rate of return that would only take you 17 years if you can invest 20k a year. Which means you could retire 17 years after starting to work, or 20 years from now, in your early 60s. And if you got a pay rise and would be able to invest 30k a year, it would only take 12 years.

In short: you are in a fantastic position to start a new life for yourself and your kids. The most difficult part is behind you. The next 3 years aren't going to be easy, but 10 years from now you're going to reap the rewards. My mother also married young and divorced after a very long and abusive marriage. She's about 20 years older than you and separated in her 50s. She's doing amazing and is much happier than I ever saw her before. She's still working and will be working until the age of 68, but she's working parttime now and enjoying life for the first time. To me, she's the living example that it's never too late to change your life.

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Re: Starting the FI journey in my 40s?
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2018, 12:51:51 PM »
Congrats on starting over - it takes guts to do that, especially if there are children involved. You sound like you're still running - and haven't stopped to take a breath.
You have singular, intense focus on completing your degree to get a decent job, that pays enough to support you and your children. Awesome, you understand and are willing to do what is necessary - however - I would have negotiated support for one more year after you graduate.

Once you graduate you have no job guarantees and you literally can't afford to turn down any offer which may mean a lousy job and a low starting salary - just because you have to work - NOW.
Please be painfully aware that any job you take that pays say 20% below the going rate will take more time than you have to catch up to the going rate - raises aren't generous these days and by the time you have caught up - everyone else is making thirty percent more than you make.
Be prepared to stay firm and negotiate like your life depends upon it - because your financial life and your future retirement and security depend on it.

I know this is a long way away yet, but whatever you decide to do going forward, accepting a pay cut before you are ever hired will impact you for the rest of your life - and if that doesn't convince you - I assume you need to be able to support your children at least a little while longer.
So your only option is to start looking in the last three to six months before graduation - you might not be able to move out of state or the country, but please question everything and consider moving to another city for a good job offer.
At 40 plus years old - you can no longer afford to think only of your children. You have a slim opportunity to build a decent career with a little bit of luck and grit you may yet reach a good salary.

You said all support stops once you finished your degree - but what about child support, surely that continues?

I'm with Imma - forget about investing at present - you must have a solid foundation first, incl. at least $1K in an emergency fund - so you can replace the washer or fix the car when necessary - slowly build that up to $2K then $3K up to $5K.

FI is only the end game and every decision going forward counts - remember if something doesn't work, find another way. If you are committed to a FI journey then you need to review and question every expense - more than once.
You are not in a position to set and forget. Once you have your bearings and a plan to start with - you can slowly work with the  kids - to help you, your household and themselves - so they can have a good start in life.

For now, I suggest you hang out in the "Ask a Mustachian" and "Investment" threads to see all the tough or easy situations everyone else is in and what responses and tips they receive.
I like challenges to motivate me so I hang out in the Gauntlet and Badass sections - it takes time to show results in investments and savings, so I don't mean to discourage you.

My immediate advice is to start with a good emergency savings fund so you don't fall flat on your nose, the first time something expensive needs to be replaced.
Consider what you may need and do err on the conservative side - I have mine in a holiday club that pays 2% interest and has only a $5 penalty if I need to pull out money before Nov 1. Every penny counts.

You might want to do a case study in the case study thread - to get some optimizing ideas on your current budget.

There is no reason you couldn't start an index fund account at Vanguard once you've read up more on Index Funds and understand how it all works, saved up a minimum of $1K plus in an emergency account and have an additional $3K to invest - they'll take a hundred bucks a month in auto savings and you will be all set up to increase those investments whenever you start working.

Read the sticky about the Investment Order so you are set to go once you are working.
I strongly recommend reading the JLCollins blog and his book, The Simple Path to Wealth - he makes it all sound so easy and re-assuring.

MMM works, it just works better and faster if you have a good income and a spouse with a good income, but rest assured there are plenty of us who have considerably less, yet make it work just fine for us - including the older crowd.
It does take time to get to FI - so welcome to the club - we're glad to have you on board:)

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Re: Starting the FI journey in my 40s?
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2018, 01:06:32 PM »

For now, I suggest you hang out in the "Ask a Mustachian" and "Investment" threads to see all the tough or easy situations everyone else is in and what responses and tips they receive.
I like challenges to motivate me so I hang out in the Gauntlet and Badass sections - it takes time to show results in investments and savings, so I don't mean to discourage you.



Sometimes when you're reading on this forum it sounds like everyone is earning six-figure sums, but there are some places where those of us who aren't earning that kind of money like to hang out: the low-income group journal, the saving to 10k challenge, several ongoing threads about reducing grocery spending / meal prep, etc. In your situation, every single dollar counts. If you can reduce your spending by $50/month, that's a 25-50% increase in savings. I also recommend a case study.

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Re: Starting the FI journey in my 40s?
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2018, 01:54:20 PM »
@FormerHomemaker  Welcome

It is better late than never.  Normally,  it involves 3 things

1: Live below your means
2: Increase your income
3: Invest your money.

I think you are on the right track.  Here is a good read https://old.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/wiki/mid_career for people in your age-group.

Hope it helps.

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Re: Starting the FI journey in my 40s?
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2018, 02:34:28 PM »
My mom got divorced at 45 and had me late so she had to go from SAHM to sole breadwinner/single parent without a great education and no work experience. She kicked ass and ended up as an executive for a major hotel chain. That said the early year post-divorce were rough.

Hang in there. Sounds like you have a solid plan. Save what you can and get it invested so it's working for you. Don't worry too much about the details right now since retirement is a ways off. Just look after yourself and your kids. Do well in school and get your career off to a strong start then you can get down into the weeds about FIRE. Any money you can save/invest between now and then will be icing on the cake.

You got this! We are all pulling for you! *hugs*  :-)

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Re: Starting the FI journey in my 40s?
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2018, 10:21:38 AM »
Once you graduate you have no job guarantees and you literally can't afford to turn down any offer which may mean a lousy job and a low starting salary - just because you have to work - NOW.
Please be painfully aware that any job you take that pays say 20% below the going rate will take more time than you have to catch up to the going rate - raises aren't generous these days and by the time you have caught up - everyone else is making thirty percent more than you make.
Be prepared to stay firm and negotiate like your life depends upon it - because your financial life and your future retirement and security depend on it.

I graduated right before the great recession, and then got divorced, and then had my pay cut.
I would add that you can do a little job hopping after you get some experience to get your pay caught up (I probably make more than average now, 11 years later).