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Some thoughts on today's world of instant gratification
« on: August 27, 2019, 06:52:29 AM »
At the root of it all, we are all basically just rats in a cage. By that I mean we are constantly chasing the next dopamine hit, and we tend to stick with activities that provide the most dopamine for the least amount of effort. The only real difference between us and rats is that we are aware of ourselves. We have consciousness. It's both a good and bad thing.

Netflix, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, Games, etc, all serve one purpose: to keep you entertained and hooked. Entertainment provides the most amount of satisfaction for the least amount of work but it's also one of the least fulfilling ways to spend your time long-term. People are weak though and succumb to hours spent across all of these platforms. I know not everyone here is hooked to the degree of the general public but the fact is that we are all still probably hooked too much.

There's nothing wrong with unwinding. The problem is that all of these services have engineers and psychologists doing their upmost best to keep you hooked and constantly wanting for more. Obviously it's no secret that there are extremely complicated algorithms in place to learn about you and then tailor content for you. So not only are you not really learning anything since it all becomes an echo chamber, you're basically being drugged.

And the (literal) buck doesn't stop with any one single instance of these platforms since they all feed on each other. People take what they've seen from Twitter or YouTube or wherever else on the Internet and put it on Reddit. It's a black hole from hell. Not only are all of these individual services addicting by nature, but they all link in and out of each other so that you're more likely to spend more time on average amongst them all. It's the same reason you see car lots right next to each other or Dollar Trees next to Walmarts.

All of this was probably never by design. I don't truly think Mark Zuckerberg or anyone else predicted this future where everyone's time is sucked away through meaningless entertainment that rarely offers any actual educational, artistic, or social value. The creators have simply built platforms in a capitalistic society that is designed to maximize profit by taking the most valuable thing in the world that you have: time.

Sometimes though I do think there is a mastermind out there somewhere that designed this system to keep people dumb and complacent. The "haves" never wanted the "have-nots" to think very much as that's bad for them. You distract people with a bunch of useless garbage to the point where that's all they think about and then you pretty much have nothing to worry about. Of course I don't think someone actually masterminded this, but it practically plays out this way.

I'll admit I am somewhat upset at all the time I've given some of these platforms. I've never been much on Facebook  or Twitter, but I've definitely fell down the YouTube rabbit hole and probably spent too much time on Reddit. Hell, I've spent too much time on here as well (and it would be foolish to pretend no one is getting paid to keep me here), but I do consider it my most productive of time-wasters as it is somewhat educational.

I also think that the more addicted you are to instant gratification, the more likely you are to be complacent in your job. There are so many instant gratification jobs these days but like most of these Internet platforms designed to suck up your time for very little reward, they're something you should look past as well. I think it all feeds into itself and it's best to take a high-level view of this stuff and really decide where you should be spending your time.

Basically I think the solution is to just quit all social media and time-wasters altogether and get back to a point where things like learning and the satisfaction from doing difficult things are the only sources of dopamine you allow your brain to have. For most people these days, it isn't enough because they're trained to get a lot of reward for little effort.

I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but I just think it's interesting and more of a warning than anything. Not expecting anyone to quit the Internet, just make a more concerted effort to really live a life built for themselves and not constantly giving all of their time away to someone else. I mean, technically, you're constantly giving your time to someone else (I have taken up some of your time on this planet if you made it this far), but at least make a more concerted effort as to who you are going to give it to so that you maximize your rewards. That's my goal at least for myself.
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Re: Some thoughts on today's world of instant gratification
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2019, 07:11:41 AM »
And the printing press was used mostly for shitty magazines and flyers.  It doesn't mean the printing press wasn't worth inventing.

I think you live in the world you choose to, to a heavy degree, and if you want to be cynical about social media, that's fine, but I've seen a fair bit of good come from it too.

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Re: Some thoughts on today's world of instant gratification
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2019, 07:17:31 AM »
Weren't there rumours some time back that Mark Zuckerberg wanted to run for president? If that would happen, one person would run the (your) country and steer our vacant hours.

I have cut down a lot on facebook. I am seldom posting anything in my profile anymore. But my favorite hobby is very active on facebook. As I live a bit too far to meat everyone frequently in person, we communicate a lot on facebook and discuss things we want to find out. But I mostly try to ignore the rest of facebook, like everyone's personal messages. I have turned off most updates of what people post.

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Re: Some thoughts on today's world of instant gratification
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2019, 07:28:19 AM »
And the printing press was used mostly for shitty magazines and flyers.  It doesn't mean the printing press wasn't worth inventing.

I think you live in the world you choose to, to a heavy degree, and if you want to be cynical about social media, that's fine, but I've seen a fair bit of good come from it too.

I guess I'm speaking more on instant gratification itself than purely social media. What actually prompted me to think hard about this was looking at all the crappy free-to-play games that have came and and continue to come out. You can think of a game either as something that provides educational or artistic value or something that simply exists to give you a hit like a drug.

I don't think anything is all good or bad. I guess you just have to question its overall use when or if the bad outweighs the good. And maybe that does come down to the individual. But I think there is something to be said for participating in something that is designed to get you addicted. It is a drug at that point.

Maybe being high/drugged is just a necessary part of existence to some extent though and fighting it is for naught.

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Re: Some thoughts on today's world of instant gratification
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2019, 09:22:04 AM »
And the printing press was used mostly for shitty magazines and flyers.  It doesn't mean the printing press wasn't worth inventing.

I think you live in the world you choose to, to a heavy degree, and if you want to be cynical about social media, that's fine, but I've seen a fair bit of good come from it too.

I guess I'm speaking more on instant gratification itself than purely social media. What actually prompted me to think hard about this was looking at all the crappy free-to-play games that have came and and continue to come out. You can think of a game either as something that provides educational or artistic value or something that simply exists to give you a hit like a drug.

I don't think anything is all good or bad. I guess you just have to question its overall use when or if the bad outweighs the good. And maybe that does come down to the individual. But I think there is something to be said for participating in something that is designed to get you addicted. It is a drug at that point.

Maybe being high/drugged is just a necessary part of existence to some extent though and fighting it is for naught.

You're definitely on to something here. The problem is that we have the means for amusing ourselves continuously and it is addictive.

Related to this,  I recently a great book "Deep Work" by Cal Newport and can recommend it highly. Inspired by this book, I am setting aside time every day to study hard things (math, computer science). Its a real struggle not to get seduced by the various feeds.

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Re: Some thoughts on today's world of instant gratification
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2019, 09:34:29 AM »
Sometimes though I do think there is a mastermind out there somewhere that designed this system to keep people dumb and complacent. The "haves" never wanted the "have-nots" to think very much as that's bad for them. You distract people with a bunch of useless garbage to the point where that's all they think about and then you pretty much have nothing to worry about. Of course I don't think someone actually masterminded this, but it practically plays out this way.

A precise description of religion.

Cal Newport wrote another book called "Digital Minimalism", you'd probably like it based on your OP.

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Re: Some thoughts on today's world of instant gratification
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2019, 09:51:11 AM »
I have similar thoughts as you, OP. Social media, YouTube, even my time on these forums -- God knows how much time I am wasting.

The key battle, to me at least, is being mindful about what you are doing. Using something deliberately is completely different than using something for pure vanity/entertainment.

Take Instagram, for instance. I deleted all social media off my phone some time ago, but due to one of our friends recently having a son, my wife downloaded Instagram on her phone. I scrolled through her feed and realized I was missing out on a lot of friends' updates -- things with their kids, things they attended, etc. People now communicate through their social media instead of contacting you directly. For instance, people used to send baby updates/Christmas cards; now they just post pictures online.

I am going to re-download Instagram here soon. I am going to check it once per day just to keep up with folks.

For another example, take this forum. Why do we come here and post anonymously? I personally think I get value here, as I am confronted with new ideas, thoughts regarding my own financial/personal situations, etc. I probably need to spend less time here, but this is a much better way to take a break from work than, say, spending 30 minutes on YouTube.

I have also heard about Digital Minimalism. I have placed a hold at my library for it.


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Re: Some thoughts on today's world of instant gratification
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2019, 09:59:15 AM »
Interestingly, I find today's retail landscape to encourage me away from instant gratification.

When I was younger, I would walk, ride, or drive to the store if I needed something. Nowadays, if I'm willing to wait a few days I can get something for a substantial discount online.

But yea, you need to stay away from too much social media (or even news). When I actually want to unwind I use a paper or audio book.

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Re: Some thoughts on today's world of instant gratification
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2019, 10:56:19 AM »
It's been clear to me since I developed an addiction to computer games and the internet even as a small child. I legitimately don't remember much about life before wasting most of my waking hours on the 'net all day every day. But I don't actually have the power to change that; I've tried. Sometimes the machine simply wins.

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Re: Some thoughts on today's world of instant gratification
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2019, 12:25:27 PM »
Interestingly, I find today's retail landscape to encourage me away from instant gratification.

When I was younger, I would walk, ride, or drive to the store if I needed something. Nowadays, if I'm willing to wait a few days I can get something for a substantial discount online.

But yea, you need to stay away from too much social media (or even news). When I actually want to unwind I use a paper or audio book.
This is a good point.  I'm the same with online ordering.

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Re: Some thoughts on today's world of instant gratification
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2019, 05:37:18 PM »
Instant gratification is an addiction.  It's not necessarily bad to get a job that gives you that high, constantly.  I LOVED being a server back in the day because each tip gave me that high.  But not everyone gets the same high from the same things.  Anyways, I have dumped facebook, I read almost no news anymore, and even limit forums to one or two visits a day, at most.  It's kind of interesting how life changes when you recognize what is going on.  So now I ride my bicycle and enjoy the sunshine, look closely at the nature as I'm passing by, and just chill the fuck out.  I do so many different things nowadays that are so much more rewarding than I used to.

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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2019, 12:51:52 AM »
Im glad I am old. We didnt get tv until I was 8 or 9 and already reading for entertainment. I travelled the world before email and mobile phones and learnt to sort myself out. I learnt to love my garden before computers were in every home. I never had spare money until after frugality had become a habit. Its worked out well for me.

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Re: Some thoughts on today's world of instant gratification
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2019, 06:16:40 AM »
Along your point, OP, I think we are more like lonely monkeys without a tribe.  We seek out others through various forms of entertainment to fill the void left by lack of "proper" socialization.  If we can't be among people we watch a bunch of them on a screen.

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Re: Some thoughts on today's world of instant gratification
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2019, 06:39:00 AM »
Instant gratification is an addiction.  ..........   Anyways, I have dumped facebook, I read almost no news anymore, and even limit forums to one or two visits a day, at most.  It's kind of interesting how life changes when you recognize what is going on.  So now I ride my bicycle and enjoy the sunshine, look closely at the nature as I'm passing by, and just chill the fuck out.  I do so many different things nowadays that are so much more rewarding than I used to.
Many people would be so much better off if they followed your approach.

 

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