Author Topic: So many 60-70 year olds really fail to plan for post-retirement benefits  (Read 3942 times)

Trudie

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I am the accountant for a small company, and I administer payroll and benefits.  We are not large enough to be a "full service" HR department, but I'm struck by a couple of issues that have risen up in the last 6 months.

(1)  Some retirees that actually have plenty really do not realize what they have -- We have one employee who just retired at 74(!).  Before coming to work for our company he worked for another large company (trades in Dow 500).  When he left that job in his mid-fifties -- as I understand it -- he had some sort of pension and other post-retirement benefits (health insurance, life insurance).  Our company provides excellent benefits -- 401K (10% employer contributions), Health insurance (PPO plan for many years; now HDHP with $3750 HSA contribution)... those are the biggies.  He's continued to accumulate.  He's now drawing SS and Medicare, and his final salary was in the $65K range.  But "getting retired" was a huge drama for him.  He complained incessantly about how much Medicare costs, the difficulties of signing up for Social Security, the difficulties from making withdrawals from his 401K, and how he's living in the "poor house."  (His "poor house" is a paid-for acreage with a ten year old house.)  I think some of this was to mask his anxiety, but I wanted to say -- several times -- "Give me a break!"

(2)  We have another employee who's in his early sixties, with an older wife who is on Medicare and qualifies for SS.  We just switched to a HDHP and she has had serious health problems.  I'm sympathetic; the plan is a big change and we're all a bit confused -- especially for folks who are used to having minimal co-pays -- but I suggested to him that perhaps it might make more sense for them to purchase a Medicare supplement for his wife and they should look into it.


My point with all of this is that the average person is REALLY confused about what is available to them after they retire.  We cannot coach them through this, but I can see how people don't make informed decisions and find it intimidating.  It doesn't matter who provides the benefits -- whether it is the government or the private sector.  I also suspect that people will leave money on the table... I wonder how many HSAs never get tapped, or 401Ks are under-withdrawn.

I vacillate between sympathy and healthy distance (we can't save people from them selves).

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HenryDavid

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Re: So many 60-70 year olds really fail to plan for post-retirement benefits
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2016, 09:49:18 AM »
More people need to Do The Math.
(It's not even math, it's arithmetic.)

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Re: So many 60-70 year olds really fail to plan for post-retirement benefits
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2016, 10:02:04 AM »
Wow, Trudie, your firm sounds so unsympathetic! Companies provide all sorts of support for their employees, why not a little retirement planning resource assistance?  Really, how long would it take to assemble list of articles, websites and books that will help them help themselves? I heard a lot of snark in this post, but no suggestions to help the people who've helped your company be successful for all these years. They deserve better, IMO.

Trudie

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Re: So many 60-70 year olds really fail to plan for post-retirement benefits
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2016, 10:07:25 AM »
Wow, Trudie, your firm sounds so unsympathetic! Companies provide all sorts of support for their employees, why not a little retirement planning resource assistance?  Really, how long would it take to assemble list of articles, websites and books that will help them help themselves? I heard a lot of snark in this post, but no suggestions to help the people who've helped your company be successful for all these years. They deserve better, IMO.

We purchase our benefits through a professional association and benefits reps from there are in a position to work with them one on one, so we don't leave them totally hanging with respect the benefits we provide.  I think that people have a lot to coordinate from previous jobs and with government agencies.  To be candid, we aren't staffed to do that.  We don't have the expertise internally, and our senior management is very hands-off.
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Re: So many 60-70 year olds really fail to plan for post-retirement benefits
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2016, 10:57:50 AM »
I have found this to be especially true for health insurance. 

Most people can't/don't/won't investigate all the HI options.  They are paralyzed by fear or indecision, or they just don't even know what is out there. 

Part of this, I think, is that dealing with HI companies can be seriously traumatic.  Having had to fight for coverage of stuff that was a LOT of money and was most definitely supposed to be covered, for about a year, I now tense up and freak out whenever I have to make the simplest call to the insurance company.  Magnify that when you have dealt with ongoing issues with the HI company, while simultaneous either fighting a life threatening illness yourself, or helping a loved one through, and I get why people just shut down and don't deal with it.  HI companies are straight up evil a lot of the time.

That doesn't explain the retirement funds stuff.  I am a little confused why that is hard- I have had nothing but the most positive, simple, easy experiences, and same with relatives who are in the distribution phase of retirement, with getting money out of, and moving money around in IRA's and 401K's.  So I can't come up with any explanations for that. 

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Re: So many 60-70 year olds really fail to plan for post-retirement benefits
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2016, 11:18:43 AM »
Wow, Trudie, your firm sounds so unsympathetic! Companies provide all sorts of support for their employees, why not a little retirement planning resource assistance?  Really, how long would it take to assemble list of articles, websites and books that will help them help themselves? I heard a lot of snark in this post, but no suggestions to help the people who've helped your company be successful for all these years. They deserve better, IMO.

How can you possibly blame the company? There are literally TONS of public resources out there for people of all ages. Lacking even a rough financial awareness at the age of 60-70 is a result of decades of listless ignorance and really just shows how low of a priority they've placed retirement planning and acquiring a basic financial education. These people aren't victims.

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Re: So many 60-70 year olds really fail to plan for post-retirement benefits
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2016, 11:40:31 AM »
Wow, Trudie, your firm sounds so unsympathetic! Companies provide all sorts of support for their employees, why not a little retirement planning resource assistance?  Really, how long would it take to assemble list of articles, websites and books that will help them help themselves? I heard a lot of snark in this post, but no suggestions to help the people who've helped your company be successful for all these years. They deserve better, IMO.

How can you possibly blame the company? There are literally TONS of public resources out there for people of all ages. Lacking even a rough financial awareness at the age of 60-70 is a result of decades of listless ignorance and really just shows how low of a priority they've placed retirement planning and acquiring a basic financial education. These people aren't victims.

This is the level of service our small company (19-benefits eligible) provides:
(1)  A rep from the professional association through which we purchase benefits (401K, health insurance) comes at benefits enrollment time and does group sessions, then is available for individual appointments on those days;
(2)  This rep is also available to do one on one counseling sessions/phone calls/emails at a distance.  When there is a retirement (rare) we set up a 1:1 appointment with the employee and the rep.  She is the liaison with the corporate benefits administrator to advise them of their post-retirement benefits and withdrawal options.
(3)  Once an employee is retiring we submit paperwork to the corporate benefits administrator and they reach out to that employee one on one.  All future mail, and correspondence to that employee comes directly from the corporate administrator.
(4)  Employees still in their working years who have problems may come to us and we refer them directly to our corporate benefits administrators.  To be clear, these are people who work strictly for our professional association and are well-versed on our benefits.  They resolve claims issues and interpret plan benefits.  They work "for us"; they don't work for the insurance company and they are available 15 hours per day by 1-800 number.  I might also add that they are well-trained and professional.  We aren't dealing with a call center in a far-flung place and turnover is low.
(5)  At any time employees have access to Fidelity (the administrator) of our 401K.  They can review or change their investments.  As for understanding their options in retirement, see #2.


I think this is a reasonable level of service for a company of our size.  I have worked for a company of 600 employees and feel that what we actually do is more helpful and "one on one" than the help employees received at that company.  But, I don't think an employer can be expected to explain/resolve all types of post-retirement dilemmas and I am shocked at how little responsibility some feel or effort some people make.   If someone comes into my office with 401K questions I will answer general questions, but if people have personal dilemmas I direct them to the people who can actually resolve their problems (and for HIPPA reasons, I don't get involved).  I don't feel that I am expert in Medicare supplements, how to enroll in Medicare/Social Security, and so forth.  I am (obviously) not here to provide investment advice.  I can try to give them names of people to help them, but cannot anticipate their issues or come up with a plan for them. 

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Re: So many 60-70 year olds really fail to plan for post-retirement benefits
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2016, 12:44:54 PM »
I don't think this sounds much different than what Trudie's firm does.   A Fidelity rep or a benefits internal rep can point a person to resources, but their role is not to be a financial or HI coach advisor.  Most firms will advise a retiree on how to negotiate the benefits associated with the firm -- but for very good reasons, they don't extend to the complexities beyond that.

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Re: So many 60-70 year olds really fail to plan for post-retirement benefits
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2016, 06:31:09 AM »
Trudie, your company sounds awesome to me!

I'm a tad over 60, retired professional except for about 10 hours of consulting a week, FI for many years.  My estimate for health costs, made 5 years ago and crazy high at the time, has turned out to be spot on; thank goodness I planned for this (absurd) expense. 
   
             Monthly premium   $1080.00
             Deductable            $5000.00 x2
             Out of pocket max $6250.00 x2

So we are talking $25,000 annually if anything goes wrong.  If your company provides a health plan for retirees, that's just huge!  I am thankful to be able to get an individual policy at all.