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funkyspikes

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Should we do it?
« on: January 23, 2025, 01:42:10 PM »
Hi All,

My wife and I (36 & 39 years old) live a VERY fulfilling life in Colorado. We own our home and have enjoyed significant appreciation on its value.  We are considering purchasing land back in New England to be closer to family and enjoy a more rural, close to our land life.  Here are the basic facts we are considering:

1. We could probably sell our home in Colorado & retain about $500,000. 
2. We are considering a property and acreage (25 acres) that is listed at about $300,000 (and needs significant remodel which I posses the knowledge, skills and tools to perform all work wanted)
3. I would resign my fulfilling and loved federal job.  (I have about 17 years left to work toward full federal retirement at the minimum retirement age of 57)
4. As a 10+ years of service fed, I can defer my retirement and would be eligible for a (reduced) pension at 62.  I think I may also be eligible for health benefits, (need to investigate this more.)
4. The wife is happy to and would have no issues finding work as a special Ed teacher in New England (this would provide insurance and a pension)
5.  I would leave the 9-5 federal workforce and concentrate on homesteading.  The property we are looking at includes a farm store/farm stand on the property
6.  the property offers plenty of benefits, setup for homesteading, 19 fenced acres and hay meadows, barn, hay lofts, etc.  Opportunities for hosting weddings, create AirBnb opportunities, etc. etc. and a separate 6 acre parcel we could grant to my parents, or sell, or utilize however else.
7. We would be 4 hours from my entire family, including extended family, massively increasing our involvement in their lives.
8. I know realtors in the area we are considering and they tell me the demand for handyman services is off the charts. I could easily work and bring in income as needed.
9. we have about $450,000 in retirement savings in vanguards, my federal TSP (401K for feds) and a stock portfolio

What should we do? Our hearts are torn in two for these amazing lives we are living now, or the potential to step away and enjoy an equally amazing but very different life.

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Re: Should we do it?
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2025, 01:59:30 PM »
My wife and I moved from Hawaii back to Colorado to be closer to family. We live 1.5 hours away from her parents and 2 hours from her sister. We visit with her sister about once a month in which we spend one night at their house. I love the fact that my son who is 7 gets to play with his cousins 5, 9, & 9 on a small farm with animals. My wife really enjoys playing time with her sister. I personally don't care that much about spending time with her family because they are not my family. However, I think it matters very much for my son and my wife. As a result, it's been totally worth it.

I took a pay cut to do this. The pay for community college instructors in Colorado is very low. The pay in New Mexico and Wyoming are about 25% higher. The pay in Arizona is about 75% higher. I'm currently applying for full-time college instructor jobs that 100% on-line. I will probably land one in about 2-3 years and then stop complaining about my low salary. There are not than many of them currently available. However, it seems like with each passing year more of them are becoming available.


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Re: Should we do it?
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2025, 02:09:46 PM »
Fellow Coloradoan here - DW and I live in the Evergreen/Conifer area.   Couple suggestions -  Prep a nice dinner for your dear wife (DW) and create a pro/con list while enjoying a post-meal glass of wine/milk/soda/whatever.  Use that list as input to a formal case study.  See the the 'Case Studies' forum here for references.  Working through your own case study will help marshal your thoughts and the feedback from the community will be quite helpful.

You're in a great position and win regardless of which path you choose.  Good luck!

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Re: Should we do it?
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2025, 02:26:52 PM »
Not saying if it's a good or bad idea, because I have no idea. Just pointing out that it'll be easier now than in a decade or two. Nothing wrong with following your dreams, provided your spouse is fully on board.

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Re: Should we do it?
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2025, 02:52:13 PM »
Hard to advise without actual numbers.  If you bought the homestead, could you cover the costs of the remodel and upkeep, along with all of your other living expenses, out of your wife's salary?  If not, how much would you need to bring in as a handyman to make ends meet -- and how much would that cut into your time to do all of those other homesteading things you're planning on?  Would you have other job options if it turned out that people weren't as willing to pay for handyman services as you hope (after all, the folks who are advising you on that have their own vested interest in getting you to move and buy the property -- are they really going to tell you that, no, no one actually wants/needs handyman services?)?  Do you know what the ongoing costs would be to support a productive homestead, including things like equipment, repairs, maintenance, additional workers to help with planting/harvesting/etc., even down to things like cleaning the B&B between guests?  What about any licensing or regulations -- do you know/can you find a local lawyer to advise you on that?   

If you want to turn the homestead into your primary business, then you need to go into it treating it as a business, rather than simply as an opportunity to move closer to home.  It is a huge lifestyle change that will require a lot of effort and money on your part to succeed, so you should be realistic about the likely costs and potential profits from that business.  Put some time into doing research and getting as detailed with your projections as possible. 

My biggest question is really whether you've always wanted to homestead and this is your opportunity to do so, or you really want to move closer to the family and this opportunity has come up.  If you really want to homestead and this is your chance, then do your research and go for it.  But if the driver is to be closer to family, and homesteading kinda sounds interesting, think very very hard, and don't be afraid to keep looking.  It's easy to rationalize choices that get us what we think we want, but when your goals are clouded that way, those choices can be fairly off-track.  And if you need to give up a life that you're currently very happy living to do that, there are some big potential downsides if that choice doesn't make you as happy as you hope it will.  So do the best you can to be objective and challenge your own thinking.

Also, 4 hrs isn't actually that close -- sure, it's closer than you are now, but it's not like you can pop over to watch a kid's baseball game, you know?  It's still a big production, and as busy as you will be developing and managing the homestead, you're not going to have nearly as much time as you'd like to do those kinds of trips.  So if the driving goal here is to spend more time with family, look for other options that are a lot closer and will actually enable you to achieve that.

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Re: Should we do it?
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2025, 03:10:54 PM »
So if the driving goal here is to spend more time with family, look for other options that are a lot closer and will actually enable you to achieve that.

This was my first thought. I would not call 4 hours away "close." It's far enough to make day trips almost impossible, far enough to make a short visit feel not worth the drive.

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Re: Should we do it?
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2025, 03:13:11 PM »
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@Laura33 My biggest question is really whether you've always wanted to homestead and this is your opportunity to do so, or you really want to move closer to the family and this opportunity has come up.  If you really want to homestead and this is your chance, then do your research and go for it.  But if the driver is to be closer to family, and homesteading kinda sounds interesting, think very very hard, and don't be afraid to keep looking.  It's easy to rationalize choices that get us what we think we want, but when your goals are clouded that way, those choices can be fairly off-track.  And if you need to give up a life that you're currently very happy living to do that, there are some big potential downsides if that choice doesn't make you as happy as you hope it will.  So do the best you can to be objective and challenge your own thinking.

Yeah this is what I was wondering too.

Partner and I just did a big move like this- so happy with our move. But we are about 80% to our FIRE number and had jobs lined up. We also ended right in the vicinity of our support system (closest people are within 5-10 minutes and furthest person is 4 hour drive and honestly that is far and we don't really see them). The decision to move was also easy for us because we hated where we lived. CO is awesome and it sounds like you are very happy there so IDK it's hard to advised. As @weebs suggested might make a good Case Study.

I will add one thing that may not be popular or a shared view. The northeast and the upper midwest are situated very well for climate change. I don't know if CO has fires or water issues. But I am certainly glad we were able to buy a house in the northeast (closing in a couple of weeks). If projections are right (I like the Pro-Publica map), I imagine we will start seeing more climate refugees move to these areas in the next decade (unless something changes). So if you KNOW you want to end up here, it might be a good long term strategy to get situated sooner rather than later. But maybe projections are off or somehow all that will be mitigated.

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Re: Should we do it?
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2025, 04:53:38 PM »
Hard to advise without actual numbers.  If you bought the homestead, could you cover the costs of the remodel and upkeep, along with all of your other living expenses, out of your wife's salary? 


My biggest question is really whether you've always wanted to homestead and this is your opportunity to do so, or you really want to move closer to the family and this opportunity has come up.  If you really want to homestead and this is your chance, then do your research and go for it.  But if the driver is to be closer to family, and homesteading kinda sounds interesting, think very very hard, and don't be afraid to keep looking.  It's easy to rationalize choices that get us what we think we want, but when your goals are clouded that way, those choices can be fairly off-track.  And if you need to give up a life that you're currently very happy living to do that, there are some big potential downsides if that choice doesn't make you as happy as you hope it will.  So do the best you can to be objective and challenge your own thinking.

Thanks for some great points.  If we made the move, we would have over $150K in seed money for any renovations we would want to do for the homestead.  So Yes, is the answer to this. 

The DW and I have always dreamed of a homestead, nearly self sufficient life.  we have these skills as well.  We live at 8500' in USDA zone 3a. (-35 degrees) and maintain a greenhouse, gardens and a large chicken flock currently. This would be a full realization of that dream.  BUT it comes at the cost of losing any hope of returning to Colorado.  With current prices here, once you sell, there's just no chance to get back in.   

I cannot figure out a way to keep both properties, we could easily rent our home in Colorado for 1.5x the mortgage, but then we would have to finance the homestead.

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Re: Should we do it?
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2025, 04:57:40 PM »
Not saying if it's a good or bad idea, because I have no idea. Just pointing out that it'll be easier now than in a decade or two. Nothing wrong with following your dreams, provided your spouse is fully on board.

I agree.  We feel like this would be a good time while we're young.  But we also see this as a one way move.  Its taken me 13 years of grinding out federal work to get to my current placement.  To step away would mean giving up on that effort, it would be a real challenge to come back in say 8 years and try to recreate what we have now. (If we didn't like homestead life)