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« Reply #50 on: March 03, 2014, 11:27:30 AM »
I am an electrical engineer (with a PhD) at a nonprofit R&D type place.  I make just under $120k/year and I've been here 5 years.  That's with ~3% raises each year - I am still at the job level where I started, although that might change soon (fingers crossed).

Company contributes 10% of my salary to 401k and I put in 12%.  We get all the usual benefits - star of the show is really the retirement matching.

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« Reply #51 on: March 03, 2014, 11:37:09 AM »
Computer Programmer
Lowly Associate's Degree in Computer Information Systems
18 years
$93k/yr
Health Insurance (my cost is $300/mo, family plan)
401k access, no match
40 hours/week. No more.

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« Reply #52 on: March 03, 2014, 11:55:23 AM »
Civil Engineer
nearly 13 years
$86K, plus ~$4K bonus per year
They put 8% into 401K, regardless of my contribution
4 weeks paid time off per year

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« Reply #53 on: March 03, 2014, 12:16:21 PM »
Network Administrator.
AAS in telecommunications, working on BS in Technology.
2.8 years with company
52k base pay
7k OT and Bonuses
5.9k 401k Match (100% match up to 10% of paycheck)
4k Educational Assistance.
1,000 employer contribution to HSA.
Free Cable tv, Internet, 2 cell phones.
162 for Family HDP, 4k deductible and 6k Max out of pocket.
160 hours of leave per year.

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« Reply #54 on: March 03, 2014, 12:26:16 PM »
Geologist:

-5 years experience
-self employed consultant
-I work about 150-170 days per year, at 12 hours a day
-I bill my services out at between $900-$1000/day, depending on the particulars of the job (my business made $165,000 last year)
-I pay myself a base salary of $52,000/year (to max out my CPP contributions, but I goofed it up last year, and only paid myself $22,000 in salary) and the rest comes out as dividends to my husband and I (something like $120,000 last year, split between the two of us, to minimize taxes).

There are no benefits, other than tax write-offs for my home office, and vehicle.

cool! environmental or oil and gas? or something else I'm not thinking of?

Oil and gas.  I'm a wellsite geologist, so I actually work out on the rigs, not in an office.  And I get weeks or months off at a time too :)

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« Reply #55 on: March 03, 2014, 12:29:34 PM »
Geologist:
-I pay myself a base salary of $52,000/year (to max out my CPP contributions, but I goofed it up last year, and only paid myself $22,000 in salary) and the rest comes out as dividends to my husband and I (something like $120,000 last year, split between the two of us, to minimize taxes).
I have to warn you against doing it that way for two excellent reasons:
1) the CRA will go back and restate those dividends as salary and ask for all those back taxes (they do that routinely)
2) if you paid yourself the RRSP Max(around 120k), you would gain much more as 18% tax-free is good. Use the spousal RRSP to jack it up to 36%. Leave everything above that 120k in the co. and invest it, then draw it down in retirement.

Thanks for the ideas, but I have an actual, incorporated company, and a tax strategy (it involves a slower draw-down of the assets in my company, as I transition to being a stay at home parent) so I am happy with the allocations to t4 vs t5 income. 

If I wasn't an incorporated business, but was deemed a personal services company (which I am not, because I have multiple clients, and I decide when and where I work), then your first assertion would be correct.  But I am all over this, and the loopholes :)

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« Reply #56 on: March 03, 2014, 04:01:11 PM »
Staff Accountant. 3 years experience. $50k. 10% 401k match

Congratulations everyone on making enormous amounts of money, I hope to join you!

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« Reply #57 on: March 03, 2014, 04:27:45 PM »
*snip*
2) if you paid yourself the RRSP Max(around 120k), you would gain much more as 18% tax-free is good. Use the spousal RRSP to jack it up to 36%. Leave everything above that 120k in the co. and invest it, then draw it down in retirement.

Just one more thing… that isn't actually how spousal RRSPs work.  I can only put that 18% into an RRSP, weather it's mine or my husband's.  You don't get to double-dip, unfortunately.  We maxed out our RRSPs last year, and plan to do the same this year, in addition to our TFSAs and unregistered investments.

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« Reply #58 on: March 03, 2014, 04:58:36 PM »
I'm a controller for a family of small companies all owned by one person.  I wear a variety of hats at my job which has its pros and cons. I'm a licensed CPA with a Masters in Accounting. One of the companies owns some rental properties so when I'm dealing with that sometimes I feel more like a property manager and repairman than a CPA, but hey I've learned a ton about buying, renovating, and owning rentals which I've been able to apply to my own rental property.

Salary: Started at 57k directly out of school 4 years ago, now at $82k, due for a raise as of March 1 (currently entertaining some other job options)
Side-work: Currently making roughly an extra 12k per year doing side work, and an extra $4200 per year in rental profits
401k match: up to 5k per year dollar for dollar match (currently maxing this out, need to do more though)
Benefits: Decent family health insurance, my cost is about $300/month. Baby delivery costs are typically a few thousand which isn't that great from what I understand.
Hours: Last year I negotiated a 37-hour work week which allows me to do some extra accounting side work

For the past year I've been able to dress casual which has been really nice. Less laundry for my wife and less money spent on dress clothes!


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« Reply #59 on: March 03, 2014, 05:09:37 PM »
Prior to ER I was on $145K per year pre-tax, plus great benefits such as free medical/dental, salary sacrificed cars, subsidised home loan and a generous retirement scheme. The latter two plus some good savings habits over the years made a comfortable ER late last year possible.

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« Reply #60 on: March 03, 2014, 06:03:04 PM »
Design Engineer/CAD designer
7 years of experience
Associates Degree
$67,600


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« Reply #61 on: March 03, 2014, 06:11:20 PM »
I agree with those who have said this thread is depressing!  I work really, really hard and am very, very stressed all the time about work, and I make so little compared to others--some of whom really like their jobs!  It would make a difference if I felt my work made a difference, but it doesn't.  Maybe I should start a new thread for people to list what they like and don't like about their jobs. 

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« Reply #62 on: March 03, 2014, 06:49:14 PM »
Prior to ER I was on $145K per year pre-tax, plus great benefits such as free medical/dental, salary sacrificed cars, subsidised home loan and a generous retirement scheme. The latter two plus some good savings habits over the years made a comfortable ER late last year possible.

Did it take a lot of nerve to leave all that when you retired?  Or was it easy to walk away?

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« Reply #63 on: March 03, 2014, 07:12:38 PM »
Holy shit this thread is depressing.

Staffing firm: Sales
Base: 30K + commish... right now like 5K for the year maybe 10K

I also work 7-5PM That's 50 hours a week.

WTF man... I suck at life. So much for that glorious college degree. I'd be better off as a garbage truck driver.

Dude -- no.  Just no.  Don't think like this.  You're only 27.  When I was in my twenties I got a shitty job for a soul-sucking bank and worked long hours for $24K/year.  I parlayed that into a better role (in sales) for another soul-sucking bank.  That soul-sucking job paid for a good bit of an MBA.  The MBA got me a job with a good salary for a good company which paid for my CPA.

Now I'm 38 and make around $180K a year doing something I enjoy (although the money helps).  Oh -- and my college degree was a BA in history.

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« Reply #64 on: March 03, 2014, 07:31:58 PM »
More than 20 years experience as a bookkeeper, no degree or credentials other than a one year college program. I really wish I had finished a degree.

Made $58,000 last year, and another $11,00 doing books at home.

Government health care here in Canada, but my company pays for my extended health care plan (dental, prescriptions, etc.) and I get three weeks paid vacation/year.
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« Reply #65 on: March 03, 2014, 08:11:37 PM »
I usually try not to divulge anything as recognizable as my salary, but 5th year biglaw attorneys typically make $230k, plus some random bonuses and perks (anything free that might entice you to stay in the office)

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« Reply #66 on: March 03, 2014, 08:22:34 PM »
12 years as a Firefighter, 62K that includes a 15%increase for paramedic certification, 5% is mandatory contribution to pension.   We work a rotating schedule 10 days a month of 24 hour shifts. 
I have a degree but the job does not require it.  We can retire at 50 y/o and/or after 25 years or service for full pension benefits.

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« Reply #67 on: March 03, 2014, 08:27:54 PM »
Prior to ER I was on $145K per year pre-tax, plus great benefits such as free medical/dental, salary sacrificed cars, subsidised home loan and a generous retirement scheme. The latter two plus some good savings habits over the years made a comfortable ER late last year possible.

Did it take a lot of nerve to leave all that when you retired?  Or was it easy to walk away?

Absolutely it took a lot of nerve, but they don't call them golden handcuffs for nothing. What it kept boiling down to is that I was not happy with where my job was heading, I had more than "enough" to retire on to meet my desired lifestyle which was a lot less than my income (thanks YMOL book!) and I could get my job back, at the very least part time, if I really wanted to. I certainly had my share of naysayers in making that decision, especially well-meaning family, but here I am, just over 5 months into ER and loving it, and I would do it all over again. In short it was hard to make the decision to walk away because of what financially I was turning my back on, but once I started walking it turned more like into a run for the other great spoil of life - freedom!

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« Reply #68 on: March 03, 2014, 08:39:10 PM »
I usually try not to divulge anything as recognizable as my salary, but 5th year biglaw attorneys typically make $230k, plus some random bonuses and perks (anything free that might entice you to stay in the office)

The perks aren't random---they're the product of some de facto collusion, aren't they? Why did the gym membership reimbursement catch on?

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« Reply #69 on: March 03, 2014, 08:45:35 PM »
Hmmm, I'm 33, I haven't had a salary for the last 5 years (stay at home dad)

Previously

I was a captain on a plane that featured the name of a legacy airline on the side.   And if you bought a ticket on say...United to somewhere in W. Virginia there was a good chance I'd be flying the plane.

I was making $42,000 a year, and that was after I doubled my salary with an upgrade.

I was 3 years in at the company and 5 years into making money as a pilot.



Of course my dad flys three days a week and makes $300,000.   That's how they get you!

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« Reply #70 on: March 03, 2014, 09:15:16 PM »
surgery resident (currently in research lab so have time to post) - $50k / year, free health/dental/disability etc insurance. Moonlighting doubles my salary.

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« Reply #71 on: March 03, 2014, 10:03:01 PM »
I agree with those who have said this thread is depressing!  I work really, really hard and am very, very stressed all the time about work, and I make so little compared to others--some of whom really like their jobs!  It would make a difference if I felt my work made a difference, but it doesn't.  Maybe I should start a new thread for people to list what they like and don't like about their jobs.

Why does that make this a depressing thread?  Doesn't it prove that there are other, better paid options out there?  Maybe you will see something that looks interesting/appropriate for you.  If so, follow up with the original poster to learn more about how they got into that field, and what you can do to get from where you are now to where you'd like to be. 

Charge up your optimism gun and make yourself a better life!  Wallowing in your misery isn't going to get you anywhere....

It can be depressing when you would have to go back in time.  For example, if I want to be a doctor now sure I could do it in like 7 years, but it would be much better to have done a pre-med type undergrad rather than go back to school for those pre-reqs.

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« Reply #72 on: March 04, 2014, 12:23:54 AM »
It can be depressing when you would have to go back in time.  For example, if I want to be a doctor now sure I could do it in like 7 years, but it would be much better to have done a pre-med type undergrad rather than go back to school for those pre-reqs.

Regret is toxic. What it comes down to is priorities. Sometimes there are clues in the classes we took early on...maybe there's a reason you didn't consider pre-med? If I were a doctor, I'd jump off a cliff. Six-figure student loans, insane hours and residencies? No thanks!

If you're thinking to transition into another career, look for something related to what you've done, or what you'd like to do.

If you were interested to become a doctor, you might consider the Physician's Assistant position mentioned above. It's a career that often makes the Top 10 these days for job and salary satisfaction. 100K+ is (I think) pretty common.

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« Reply #73 on: March 04, 2014, 12:30:16 AM »
7 years in accounting (3 since CA designation), 2 years in property management

Manager of Public Housing in a remote Arctic community
141k (sal + allowances + benefits)

For those who find this thread depressing, just keep on grinding.  It took me two full years to land something I actually wanted since I last started looking.  A year ago I was at 50k/year no benefits as a Chartered Accountant and found job hunting in Victoria BC absolutely brutal and demoralizing.  It sucked, but it was worth it.

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« Reply #74 on: March 04, 2014, 12:44:06 AM »
It can be depressing when you would have to go back in time.  For example, if I want to be a doctor now sure I could do it in like 7 years, but it would be much better to have done a pre-med type undergrad rather than go back to school for those pre-reqs.

Regret is toxic. What it comes down to is priorities. Sometimes there are clues in the classes we took early on...maybe there's a reason you didn't consider pre-med? If I were a doctor, I'd jump off a cliff. Six-figure student loans, insane hours and residencies? No thanks!

If you're thinking to transition into another career, look for something related to what you've done, or what you'd like to do.

If you were interested to become a doctor, you might consider the Physician's Assistant position mentioned above. It's a career that often makes the Top 10 these days for job and salary satisfaction. 100K+ is (I think) pretty common.

It was just a "for example."  I don't really want to be a doctor (at least not for the money... who knows what I'll study in retirement). 

You are right in noting that a lot of people with high salaries here gave up a lot to get them.  I've done the math, and I'm not sure it was worth the three years plus tuition and opportunity cost to become a lawyer.  At least, financially speaking.

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« Reply #75 on: March 04, 2014, 01:02:56 AM »
The people making the really good salaries also are more likely to share it on the Internet.

Me, I'm making $72k with 4 weeks' vacation (never use it all), plus earn $7k on the side and it's more than enough, especially compared to many years in my 20s "earning" 20-30k in college athletics. I've been luck to have fully paid healthcare for all but one of my 16 working years (although changing this July, paying about $35 per month for me and child).

I'm 39 and my goal is to FIRE at 50.

Good luck.

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« Reply #76 on: March 04, 2014, 01:42:30 AM »
Probably well-site geologist for core/log documentations.

I meant to respond to you earlier, you squiggle-monkey ;)

Are you in *evil* o&g or mining, or something else?

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« Reply #77 on: March 04, 2014, 07:04:14 AM »
Paralegal making $50k, between holidays and PTO I get 48 days off per year and my work week is 35 hours per week. Been in this field for 8+ years, have both a bachelor's and a paralegal cert which keeps me employed but isn't required.

I don't find this thread depressing but then if I had wanted to work longer hours and make lots more money, I would have. I chose to seek balance.

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« Reply #78 on: March 04, 2014, 07:06:03 AM »
Holy shit this thread is depressing.

Staffing firm: Sales
Base: 30K + commish... right now like 5K for the year maybe 10K

I also work 7-5PM That's 50 hours a week.

WTF man... I suck at life. So much for that glorious college degree. I'd be better off as a garbage truck driver.

Dude -- no.  Just no.  Don't think like this.  You're only 27.  When I was in my twenties I got a shitty job for a soul-sucking bank and worked long hours for $24K/year.  I parlayed that into a better role (in sales) for another soul-sucking bank.  That soul-sucking job paid for a good bit of an MBA.  The MBA got me a job with a good salary for a good company which paid for my CPA.

Now I'm 38 and make around $180K a year doing something I enjoy (although the money helps).  Oh -- and my college degree was a BA in history.

Haha thanks for noticing my post! But here's the thing. Back then when you did all this you probably had a desire to make a lot of money or work up the "ladder" so to speak to get a better job right? Did you stumble across material like ERE or MMM?

I crossed paths with these blogs at work, and I just loathe work now. I have no desire to move up get a better degree or anything. It's kind of like a double edge sword. It's great because now I live hella frugal and I'm still saving 50% of my income, but now I just don't care about getting more degrees or getting a higher paid position. ERE and sticking it to the man and not following the system has jaded me.

So now I'm completely confused with life and have no idea as to what I want to do.

:( Any advice to either get my head out of my ass or to switch gears and go a different direction?
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« Reply #79 on: March 04, 2014, 09:03:36 AM »
If I'm 19 in college and make 20k/yr is that decent?

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« Reply #80 on: March 04, 2014, 09:34:00 AM »
If I'm 19 in college and make 20k/yr is that decent?

Yes it is

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« Reply #81 on: March 04, 2014, 09:50:46 AM »
Holy shit this thread is depressing.

Staffing firm: Sales
Base: 30K + commish... right now like 5K for the year maybe 10K

I also work 7-5PM That's 50 hours a week.

WTF man... I suck at life. So much for that glorious college degree. I'd be better off as a garbage truck driver.

Dude -- no.  Just no.  Don't think like this.  You're only 27.  When I was in my twenties I got a shitty job for a soul-sucking bank and worked long hours for $24K/year.  I parlayed that into a better role (in sales) for another soul-sucking bank.  That soul-sucking job paid for a good bit of an MBA.  The MBA got me a job with a good salary for a good company which paid for my CPA.

Now I'm 38 and make around $180K a year doing something I enjoy (although the money helps).  Oh -- and my college degree was a BA in history.

Haha thanks for noticing my post! But here's the thing. Back then when you did all this you probably had a desire to make a lot of money or work up the "ladder" so to speak to get a better job right? Did you stumble across material like ERE or MMM?

I crossed paths with these blogs at work, and I just loathe work now. I have no desire to move up get a better degree or anything. It's kind of like a double edge sword. It's great because now I live hella frugal and I'm still saving 50% of my income, but now I just don't care about getting more degrees or getting a higher paid position. ERE and sticking it to the man and not following the system has jaded me.

So now I'm completely confused with life and have no idea as to what I want to do.

:( Any advice to either get my head out of my ass or to switch gears and go a different direction?

I totally feel the same way. I am a public school teacher for a large urban district, and sure, there are opportunities for me to move up and out of the classroom IF (big "if") I were willing to compromise my time and some of my morals to make more money. Problem is, I'm not willing to do that. I'd much rather find creative ways to be frugal than spend more time to make more money. I get the impression that other teachers at my school think it's weird that I don't want to move up the ladder (i.e. get into administration) or take every opportunity to make more money, but oh well. These are the same folks who "have to" work until they're 64 to make out their pensions whereas I'll probably be able to get out in my early 50's, way before reaching maxed-out status, simply due to living frugally and saving more.

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« Reply #82 on: March 04, 2014, 09:58:30 AM »
Tech support, tier 2
No degree
48k a year, @ 2k bonus
Started 12 years ago for $25k
Those with more specialized skills or a degree should earn a good amount more.  I plan on self-educating.
I get 3% matching, 3 weeks of vacation, 10 sick days, and subsidized health insurance.  We currently just do the HSA/high deductible.

Seems like the overall income level of Mustachians is pretty high, yet you choose to make great use of it.

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« Reply #83 on: March 04, 2014, 12:43:01 PM »
Holy shit this thread is depressing.

Staffing firm: Sales
Base: 30K + commish... right now like 5K for the year maybe 10K

I also work 7-5PM That's 50 hours a week.

WTF man... I suck at life. So much for that glorious college degree. I'd be better off as a garbage truck driver.

Dude -- no.  Just no.  Don't think like this.  You're only 27.  When I was in my twenties I got a shitty job for a soul-sucking bank and worked long hours for $24K/year.  I parlayed that into a better role (in sales) for another soul-sucking bank.  That soul-sucking job paid for a good bit of an MBA.  The MBA got me a job with a good salary for a good company which paid for my CPA.

Now I'm 38 and make around $180K a year doing something I enjoy (although the money helps).  Oh -- and my college degree was a BA in history.

Haha thanks for noticing my post! But here's the thing. Back then when you did all this you probably had a desire to make a lot of money or work up the "ladder" so to speak to get a better job right? Did you stumble across material like ERE or MMM?

I crossed paths with these blogs at work, and I just loathe work now. I have no desire to move up get a better degree or anything. It's kind of like a double edge sword. It's great because now I live hella frugal and I'm still saving 50% of my income, but now I just don't care about getting more degrees or getting a higher paid position. ERE and sticking it to the man and not following the system has jaded me.

So now I'm completely confused with life and have no idea as to what I want to do.

:( Any advice to either get my head out of my ass or to switch gears and go a different direction?

I share the same feelings.  I am concentrating in reducing my spending and stress instead of the stress that comes with promotions.

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« Reply #84 on: March 04, 2014, 12:58:53 PM »
Started at a manufacturing company around 10 years ago creating parts manuals.  Salary was ~$30k.  Worked hard, after several promotions made it to a supervisor role in the same department.

Base pay: $91k/year
Vacation: 4 weeks, 3 personal days, 10 holidays
Employer 401k contribution: 6% match, plus a yearly contribution of 4% of salary.
Pension: Frozen lump sum benefit worth ~$30k at age 55 up to ~$45k if I wait til 62.
Education Reimbursement: 90% of tuition, $75 stipend for books per class.  3 classes from earning my bachelors degree with zero debt.

Overall feel really lucky to have made it so far, but can't wait for the day I hit FI - which will be much sooner than I'd hoped thanks to this place!

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« Reply #85 on: March 04, 2014, 01:28:25 PM »
I agree with those who have said this thread is depressing!  I work really, really hard and am very, very stressed all the time about work, and I make so little compared to others--some of whom really like their jobs!  It would make a difference if I felt my work made a difference, but it doesn't.  Maybe I should start a new thread for people to list what they like and don't like about their jobs.

Why does that make this a depressing thread?  Doesn't it prove that there are other, better paid options out there?  Maybe you will see something that looks interesting/appropriate for you.  If so, follow up with the original poster to learn more about how they got into that field, and what you can do to get from where you are now to where you'd like to be. 

Charge up your optimism gun and make yourself a better life!  Wallowing in your misery isn't going to get you anywhere....


For me this thread is eye opening.  There are a good many people with great jobs, pay and benefits.  It is depressing for me that I have another 1-2 years staying right where I'm at, just have to stay optimistic for the future.

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« Reply #86 on: March 04, 2014, 01:29:55 PM »
I usually try not to divulge anything as recognizable as my salary...

I'm imagining it's 8675309 ... or maybe 5318008.

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« Reply #87 on: March 04, 2014, 03:02:49 PM »
BS in Civil Engineering
MS in Structural Engineering
2 years part time intern experience <-- related to degree, not really to job I have now
3 years full time experience

$75.5K/year working for a specialized military contractor
- Great health benefits, no bonuses except maybe $500/year, raises are average 3% if you are an okay worker, usually 4-5% if you are good, rare to get more than that.  5% match if you contribute 6% to 401K.  Vacation time SUCKS, two weeks, get a third after you have been there 10 years.  A LOT of sick days though.  Overall its great because its a 40 hr work week for an engineer and you get 1.5 pay for overtime (super rare for salary engineering).  Most supervisors allow for flexible work weeks too. 

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« Reply #88 on: March 04, 2014, 04:05:41 PM »
I work as a PR director/spokesperson for a global pharma company.  I also work part-time as an adjunct professor at a large university.

I make $220,000 per year, total.  $140,000 salary/$70,000 bonus at the day job, and $10,000 per year at the side gig.  I'm not doing the side gig for money -- it's meant to be my next act.  I love the teaching.

I get awesome benefits.  10% 401K match, employee stock purchasing program, good health insurance, free awesome gym onsite.  Only three weeks of vacation.

The negatives are that I work very, very hard.  There's quite a bit of travel, and at least four of my days in the past 1.5 weeks have started before 4:00 a.m. (I have to synchronize with Europe, sometimes).  Quite frankly, I'm sick of it, and saving money and becoming mustachian to be able to GTFO.
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« Reply #89 on: March 04, 2014, 04:32:58 PM »
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Regret is toxic.

So.Much.So.  And late bloomers are very beautiful. I've just started attending an online degree program to complete my B.A. (IT major) after a 20-year hiatus of saying "Oh, I can't afford to go back." and "I don't have the time to attend." It's a hard road to slog, but I'm happy I'm attempting it now. 

Word Processor in the big city. Nearly 20 yrs experience.
$65K, Discretionary bonus up to 5%
3 weeks vacation, free dental insurance, no-match 401k, free soda all day long (trying to kick the addiction)

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« Reply #90 on: March 04, 2014, 07:52:03 PM »
It can be depressing when you would have to go back in time.  For example, if I want to be a doctor now sure I could do it in like 7 years, but it would be much better to have done a pre-med type undergrad rather than go back to school for those pre-reqs.

Regret is toxic. What it comes down to is priorities. Sometimes there are clues in the classes we took early on...maybe there's a reason you didn't consider pre-med? If I were a doctor, I'd jump off a cliff. Six-figure student loans, insane hours and residencies? No thanks!

If you're thinking to transition into another career, look for something related to what you've done, or what you'd like to do.

If you were interested to become a doctor, you might consider the Physician's Assistant position mentioned above. It's a career that often makes the Top 10 these days for job and salary satisfaction. 100K+ is (I think) pretty common.

It was just a "for example."  I don't really want to be a doctor (at least not for the money... who knows what I'll study in retirement). 

You are right in noting that a lot of people with high salaries here gave up a lot to get them.  I've done the math, and I'm not sure it was worth the three years plus tuition and opportunity cost to become a lawyer.  At least, financially speaking.

I really think the problem is that we're given lots of bad advice in school.   "Do what you love."   Well I was a pilot, and I can't tell you how miserably people in aviation are.   That's a field where most people think they're pursuing the love category.   A lot of them quit their jobs to become pilots.   Unfortunately, if anyone knows you're happy at work they'll probably end up screwing you with long hours, low pay or some other form of drudgery.    Someone summed it up best to me when they said "Don't ever do for a job something that people do for a hobby."   

I wish someone would have told me what actual career salaries were in high school, and which ones required the lowest bar to entry.   Hopefully, I would have realized that I could go into a high paying field like say finance, bank the majority of my money and quit after a decade or so.   Then I could have bought my own plane and played airline pilot on my own.
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« Reply #91 on: March 04, 2014, 07:55:50 PM »

Haha thanks for noticing my post! But here's the thing. Back then when you did all this you probably had a desire to make a lot of money or work up the "ladder" so to speak to get a better job right? Did you stumble across material like ERE or MMM?

I crossed paths with these blogs at work, and I just loathe work now. I have no desire to move up get a better degree or anything. It's kind of like a double edge sword. It's great because now I live hella frugal and I'm still saving 50% of my income, but now I just don't care about getting more degrees or getting a higher paid position. ERE and sticking it to the man and not following the system has jaded me.

So now I'm completely confused with life and have no idea as to what I want to do.

:( Any advice to either get my head out of my ass or to switch gears and go a different direction?

Interesting question.  I've never been motivated to move up the corporate ladder or make a lot of money.  No, seriously.  As laughable as it sounds to me now, I went into banking for the perceived intellectual challenge of it.  I hopped sideways from that entry point, building on things I liked (numbers) and leaving behind things I didn't (sales, large corporations and hierarchies).  I've considered lower paying jobs in public and nonprofit positions, but ultimately decided I like the discipline the profit motive forces on private companies.  At private companies, particularly small ones, my experience is that the truly incompetent are weeded out, although there remain plenty of borderline idiots with incredibly good luck.

To answer your question, I didn't discover MMM until a few years ago and I don't now how I would be different if I had.  I remember being pretty miserable with my jobs at points in my twenties and I very well may have simply focused on the prize like you are doing.  Nothing wrong with reducing spending and getting to FIRE as quickly as possible.  In fact, it's probably the most effective way to go about it, as MMM has pointed out.

However, I'd say one of the positives of NOT discovering ER earlier was that I was free to cast around, making uneconomic decisions as I searched for a j-o-b that could make one or two brain cells light up.  In my mid-twenties I turned down a $140K/year sales position to go back and get my MBA (also not a lot of fun - but I didn't know that at the time).  I would have absolutely hated that job and myself for doing it, but if ER were on the horizon I probably would have taken it.  In retrospect, the numbers were just so compelling.  At the time, I didn't care.

So am I better or worse off for not having found MMM and ER earlier?  Depends on your perspective, I think.  I could be retired already, but what kind of person would I be now if I had had to endure 7-8 years of misery and self-loathing as the price?  What kind of person will you be?

I think it would have gotten ugly for me given my personality.  So I'm still some years away from ER, and I'm okay with that.  To be honest, part of that delay is because I don't do myself any favors on the expense side even now.  While a savings rock star in ordinary life, I am what has been termed a "low mustachian" on these here forums.  My wife and I work long hours, so we throw great wedges of cash at the daycare where we stash our son for ten hours a day, and we hire someone to clean our house.  I also can make other suboptimal financial decisions because my desire for ER isn't as urgent as yours --- the thought of putting it off for a week or month just doesn't faze me that much because I like what I do (although I do look forward to not HAVING to work well before age 65).

Anyway --- long post yet short on wisdom.  If I had one piece of advice (you DID ask) it would be that there may be something else out there that will also lead to early retirement, but which won't feel like a little bit of you dies every day while you're doing it.  It doesn't have to be the next step on anybody's ladder.  Maybe it's out of your town, your industry, your comfort zone, whatever.  Just take some time, look around, and maybe you'll see it.  And if you don't, you've got that fantabulous savings rate running in your favor.  Which brings me to the point I was REALLY trying to make in my original response, which wasn't that you should be doing something different (although I know it came across that way).  It was that you shouldn't let what other people were posting make you feel bad.  You're kicking ass, saving wads of cash, exercising your middle finger on a daily basis... I think you're pretty badass.  And I bet you did too until you started reading this stupid thread.
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« Reply #92 on: March 04, 2014, 08:16:23 PM »
Aww, I'm sorry to hear that some people find this thread depressing.  If it's any consolation, in 2002 I made exactly $22,000.  That was only 12 (really 11) years ago, folks!  I used to go to the grocery store and pick out a cartload of groceries, only to have my debit card declined.  It was awful.  I was 33 then; I'm 43 now. 

I never thought I would make as much money as I do now, but I just kept at it.  You have to suck it up sometimes, your dignity might suffer, mean bosses might undercut you.  Just keep smiling and keep at it.  Let your work speak for itself, and always do more than necessary.  Also keep working on extra-curricular project.  In the past ten years, I have done quite a few public speaking opportunities, I have submitted my work for awards, almost all of which I've won (my theory is that most people don't bother to apply) and I joined the local chapter of my industry organization, and now I'm teaching a course in my field.  All of these things make you look better to your current bosses, and set you up for the next gig, if you need it. 

Honestly, if someone told me I could work 25% less in exchange for 25% less money, I would take the deal.  It doesn't seem to work that way.

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« Reply #93 on: March 04, 2014, 09:32:42 PM »
I saw two geo's speak up and no miner's so I thought I would represent. Mining engineer with 4 years post-bachelors experience (B.ASc Mining and Mineral Process Engineering), I make 97,000pa with a variable bonus (0-15k depending on the year, 4k last couple years), 5% pension contribution, $1000 per year extended benefits. Work is about 40-50 hours per week and I have to live in the middle of nowhere. I've heard that miner's make less in the USA than in Canada but I imagine the majority of the difference is due to cost-of-living. Still interested in moving closer to the big city, maybe Phoenix or Denver.

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« Reply #94 on: March 04, 2014, 11:46:18 PM »
I'm a freelance editor for film and television. I've been cutting for 13 years or so.

I'm currently making around $150k a year give or take although I've only achieved this level of pay in the past 3-5 years.

I have an S-corp and pay myself a salary of around $96k and after expenses probably another $30k in distributions.

I have a Ind. 401k and now max that out on the employee side and my business pays for my health insurance.

I used to be making $30 or $40k a year when I was starting out as an assistant editor wondering if I'd ever make as much as I do now.

It's funny - I actually just found out that I'm pretty "cheap" for editors and that I should be billing a lot more. It's hard to know what to bill when people don't talk about it. I was a little miffed when I found out another editor that I feel does not as good work as me was billing more than myself. But that's just ignorance on my part and I'm a apparently bad negotiator for rates.

However, since I now knew that I was worth more, I had the guts to negotiate a raise with my current employer which is great because they're awesome.

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« Reply #95 on: March 05, 2014, 06:38:30 AM »
My career path was interrupted by a jaunt as a SAHM so my salary is low for my overall experience and degree level:

Materials Scientist - $68K/year - been here for 3 years
401K with matching to 3%
Excellent health insurance
Only 2 week a year paid leave and another 1 week sick time - this is the worst part of the job for me currently.


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« Reply #96 on: March 05, 2014, 07:43:43 AM »
B.S. Econ
M.S. Demography
statistician in DC area
fed, GS 12-2, 78142 salary
6 hours of vacation every 2 weeks
5% matching on 401k/Roth 401k
pension-1% of highest 3 years of salary for each year worked up to 20, 1.1% after 20 (including the first 20) e.g. 30 years=33% pension

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« Reply #97 on: March 05, 2014, 07:53:10 AM »
Corporate HR Compensation Analyst for Major Auto Insurer

$51,000/year, entry level (just under 1 year at the job, just under 2 years with the company)

10% of base salary is put into 401K annually as part of annual profit sharing (not guaranteed, but we've gotten this award for the last 20 years- unlikely to go away anytime soon), but no other match.

DC Area, and given my job I know we are CRAZY underpaid for what we do, especially in this area. 

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« Reply #98 on: March 05, 2014, 09:41:54 AM »
If I'm 19 in college and make 20k/yr is that decent?

Cwadda, you're an MD/Pianist, right? My husband is one too and he's a few years out of college. He's been working at it FT for about a year in NYC. You're doing well now, but if this is something you want to pursue either FT or on the side, let me know if you want me to connect you with my husband so you can chat.

Yes, my responsibilities are:
-Playing the Organ/Piano every Sunday
-Having rehearsals with a small choir before/after every Sunday service during non-summer months
-Working with the children's program for special events a few times a year
-Encouraging the congregation to get musically involved

I'm basically supposed to be playing music well and growing the church as much as it applies to me. I've been playing the piano for 10 years and I had lots of experience prior to getting the position. My pay is $9,100/yr. I think my pay is pretty fair commensurate with experience.

I do like the job, and I could see myself doing it on the side later in life. I'd wouldn't mind talking with your husband about his experiences with this kind of position, especially since we're around the same area.


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« Reply #99 on: March 05, 2014, 10:01:04 AM »
I work in Glasgow, Scotland, for a government-esque organisation as an Office Manager, on £22k (c.$37k I think?). Great team, I walk to work and bring my lunch with me though we have a reasonably subsidised canteen, free tea/coffee.  27 days annual leave, 13 public holidays per year, 35 hours per week (paid lunch hour). 

Fully paid sick pay for 3 months, then half pay, then statutory sick pay.  Maternity leave is full pay for 6 months, half for a further 6 months. (Oh, and in Scotland we get FREE prescriptions as well as using the NHS).

Pension - I currently only contribute 5.6% of my monthly salary - I will dramatically increase this as I pay off my debt (approximately £14k!) within the next 2 years, company contributes a MASSIVE 16%

So, although the pay isn't as good as some private organisations in Glasgow for similar positions, the benefits are fantastic, the work pretty interesting and the people are lovely.