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Re: Robots and their impact on the future
« Reply #1550 on: August 31, 2017, 07:08:06 AM »
In Germany they use mopeds, which makes a lot more sense than cars too.

What, in the States, pizzas are delivered by car?!

Yep. Chalk it up to the car industry developing the infrastructure through the government. Less planes trains more automobiles.

Mopeds still use the roads though, so they are dependent on the same automobile infrastructure. It just seems like a lot of petrol to waste, and much slower, since cars can't skip traffic the way a bike can.

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« Reply #1551 on: August 31, 2017, 07:40:56 AM »
Apparently there are a number of startups developing much smaller robots for food delivery, although to my eye, they look like they'd be feasible in extremely dense urban centers (although that's a bias you see with the business models of a lot of startups coming out of SFO).

Starship is one example:

https://www.recode.net/2017/1/18/14306674/starship-robot-food-delivery-washington-dc-silicon-valley

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« Reply #1552 on: August 31, 2017, 07:52:04 AM »
Interesting article I came across yesterday on this topic: https://qz.com/1064679/a-new-t-shirt-sewing-robot-can-make-as-many-shirts-per-hour-as-17-factory-workers/

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...in a completely automated production line, the cost of human labor works out to about $0.33 per shirt. For context, to produce something like a denim shirt in Bangladesh, you might pay about $0.22 in labor costs, according to an estimate from the Institute for Global Labour and Human Rights. That same labor would be $7.47 in the US, putting the labor cost for Tianyuan Garments’ American-made shirt about on par with one of the cheapest labor markets in the world.

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Understandably, the rise of automated sewing has raised concerns that it could displace countless low-wage garment workers in Asia in the coming decades. Last year, the International Labour Organization (ILO) estimated that around 64% of textile, clothing, and footwear workers in Indonesia could eventually be replaced by robots. In Vietnam the number was 86%, and in Cambodia, 88%. The report noted that workers could get better wages if governments and employers start preparing them for new high-tech jobs. If they don’t, the consequences could be dire.

I didn't see a mention of the number of jobs the new factory would create.

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« Reply #1553 on: August 31, 2017, 08:07:30 AM »
The article mentions you need one human handler per robot, and they're installing 21 production lines. Add in a couple folks for management/HR/IT and let's call it 25 total jobs created. 

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« Reply #1554 on: September 03, 2017, 12:46:17 AM »
Apparently there are a number of startups developing much smaller robots for food delivery, although to my eye, they look like they'd be feasible in extremely dense urban centers (although that's a bias you see with the business models of a lot of startups coming out of SFO).

Starship is one example:

https://www.recode.net/2017/1/18/14306674/starship-robot-food-delivery-washington-dc-silicon-valley

I just had a delivery bot scoot by me in DC the other day. Fourth or fifth I've seen, all with handlers keeping a close eye on them. This one had the longest "leash" I've seen so far, as the handler was walking at least 30 feet behind it. It navigated around some hedges that were poking out onto the sidewalk quite deftly.

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« Reply #1555 on: September 04, 2017, 07:34:20 AM »
I just looked it up and Amazon announced Drone Delivery in Dec 2013 (first mentioned in this thread in Jan 2014).  In my area over that last 6 months Amazon has started using independent human contract drivers to directly deliver packages.  Drones seem so obvious and simple but there many practical obstacles.  Jeff Bezos has been funding a rocket company at $1 Billion / year for many years and they are much further along in getting a payload to orbit than Drone Delivery is to getting a toothbrush 20 miles. 
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Re: Robots and their impact on the future
« Reply #1556 on: September 04, 2017, 07:48:52 AM »
Apparently there are a number of startups developing much smaller robots for food delivery, although to my eye, they look like they'd be feasible in extremely dense urban centers (although that's a bias you see with the business models of a lot of startups coming out of SFO).

Starship is one example:

https://www.recode.net/2017/1/18/14306674/starship-robot-food-delivery-washington-dc-silicon-valley

I just had a delivery bot scoot by me in DC the other day. Fourth or fifth I've seen, all with handlers keeping a close eye on them. This one had the longest "leash" I've seen so far, as the handler was walking at least 30 feet behind it. It navigated around some hedges that were poking out onto the sidewalk quite deftly.

Wow! It will be interesting to see how they overcome theft issues (both of the contents and the robot).

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« Reply #1557 on: September 04, 2017, 10:50:28 AM »
Yea definitely something to consider. I think once you take into consideration the vastly improved accuracy that robots have shown in other tests, lethal force becomes much more acceptable due to the near-elimination of collateral damage among the civilian population. Obviously it would be more efficient to leave the kill decision to the robot instead of having to beam some sort of visual to a command center for a human to consider. The big choice is whether to actually arm the delivery drone itself, or to have an armed swarm/escort accompany it (or both). I think you could really go either way. I'm pretty psyched to see how the escalation between the delivery-drones and the bandit-drones develops.

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Re: Robots and their impact on the future
« Reply #1558 on: September 04, 2017, 04:34:29 PM »
In Germany they use mopeds, which makes a lot more sense than cars too.

What, in the States, pizzas are delivered by car?!

Yep. Chalk it up to the car industry developing the infrastructure through the government. Less planes trains more automobiles.

Mopeds still use the roads though, so they are dependent on the same automobile infrastructure. It just seems like a lot of petrol to waste, and much slower, since cars can't skip traffic the way a bike can.


Americans just really don't do mopeds, at all.  Country had lots of space and fairly low density at first, and fell into car culture.  Motorcycles are considered a (dangerous) recreational vehicle.  Scooters, maybe a few college students in dense cities.  Mopeds?  Basically non-existent.


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« Reply #1559 on: September 04, 2017, 10:54:11 PM »
The legal definition of a moped in Oregon limits them to 30 mph. Arterial roads often have 45 mph speed limits which means people doing 50... Grocery stores tend to new on arterials. Doing 20 mph less than surrounding traffic is generally going to be somewhat unsafe. Motorcycle would likely be safer because you can go the same speed as other traffic which should in theory be less likely to result in an accident.

So yeah. Nobody uses mopeds. I only know one person in my life who owned one and if I remember that was in middle school so they couldn't even legally drive it.

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Re: Robots and their impact on the future
« Reply #1560 on: September 05, 2017, 02:56:52 AM »
Love the phrase "bandit-drones"!

I'm currently reading an historical novel with lots of highwaymen and bandits. Everything old is new again.

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« Reply #1561 on: September 05, 2017, 09:13:36 AM »
I just sold my scooter yesterday. It was perfect for town I lived in, but I work in the next town over now and there is no way to get there without going on roads with 45mph limits. I sold it to a student who was really excited to be able to ride it school.

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« Reply #1562 on: September 15, 2017, 01:30:04 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2017/09/14/this-silicon-valley-startup-wants-to-replace-lawyers-with-robots/?utm_term=.716d86e350dc

"In the past two years, automation and artificial intelligence tools have become sophisticated enough to influence professionals and white collar work. Administrative assistants, radiologists, financial advisers — and now lawyers — have all become the targets of such software."

"JP Morgan recently marshaled an army of developers to build software that can do in seconds what it took lawyers 360,000 hours to do previously, the company said."




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« Reply #1563 on: September 15, 2017, 01:48:41 PM »
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"JP Morgan recently marshaled an army of developers to build software that can do in seconds what it took lawyers 360,000 hours to do previously, the company said."

I assumed that a light bulb changing robot was invented ages ago :-)
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« Reply #1564 on: September 15, 2017, 02:24:59 PM »
"JP Morgan recently marshaled an army of developers to build software that can do in seconds what it took lawyers 360,000 hours to do previously, the company said."

This is quite impressive assuming that:
A) Lawyers were previously the best at doing whatever this thing is
B) This thing is something worth doing

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« Reply #1565 on: September 22, 2017, 08:48:11 AM »
Putin is scared about Robots eating us...  Does he know something? At first I thought it was a translation error.  Like technology is going to eat us alive when it comes to jobs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4909172/Putin-reveals-fears-robots-one-day-eat-us.html

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« Reply #1566 on: September 22, 2017, 09:46:02 AM »
Putin is scared about Robots eating us...  Does he know something? At first I thought it was a translation error.  Like technology is going to eat us alive when it comes to jobs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4909172/Putin-reveals-fears-robots-one-day-eat-us.html

Wow, of all the things I worry about with AI, being eaten is bizarre.  I guess the reasoning goes that humans eat things like chickens and cows, but beyond that the logic breaks down.  Enslave us, shoot us, imprison us in virtual reality, cause unemployment, drive over us, turn us in to helpless consumers with weaponized advertising - sure, lots of reasonable possibilities, but eat us?  If it wasn't Putin, I'd think the guy was completely bonkers.
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« Reply #1567 on: September 22, 2017, 09:53:24 AM »
It's like "Troll 2" but with robots.

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« Reply #1568 on: September 22, 2017, 09:58:41 AM »
Granted it made no sense - the very premise violates the most basic law of thermodynamics - but being eaten by robots was the backstory of the incredible popular "Matrix" movie series.


Remember?  Nuclear war or something blots out the sun,  so there is no longer any energy input, so the machines create human farms so they can extract energy from us.  How do we get the energy to continue to live?  Why, they feed us other humans of course!  That's not circular at all...


The entire fantasy land of the matrix itself was because humans apparently spontaneously die when in lifelong sensory deprivation.  And creating an interconnected detailed fantasy world is obviously a much better solution than just using, say, algae as a perpetual motion style energy source.


Maybe Putin just saw "The Matrix" for the first time.
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« Reply #1569 on: September 22, 2017, 10:04:59 AM »
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« Reply #1570 on: September 22, 2017, 10:51:30 AM »
Granted it made no sense - the very premise violates the most basic law of thermodynamics - but being eaten by robots was the backstory of the incredible popular "Matrix" movie series.

Remember?  Nuclear war or something blots out the sun,  so there is no longer any energy input, so the machines create human farms so they can extract energy from us.  How do we get the energy to continue to live?  Why, they feed us other humans of course!  That's not circular at all...

The entire fantasy land of the matrix itself was because humans apparently spontaneously die when in lifelong sensory deprivation.  And creating an interconnected detailed fantasy world is obviously a much better solution than just using, say, algae as a perpetual motion style energy source.

Maybe Putin just saw "The Matrix" for the first time.

Yeah, using Humans as an energy source was a logical error debunked by Futurama!  https://youtu.be/wSVlOAocn8E?t=3m40s  Surely Putin has someone on his staff that can inform him of this before he goes off the rails.
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« Reply #1571 on: September 22, 2017, 11:06:25 AM »
C'mon, cut Putin some slack.  How many folks does he regularly come into contact with that you think would openly disagree with him no matter how crazy he sounds on an issue?  He's doing pretty well for his situation . . .

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« Reply #1572 on: September 24, 2017, 09:32:26 PM »
Yeah, using Humans as an energy source was a logical error debunked by Futurama!  https://youtu.be/wSVlOAocn8E?t=3m40s  Surely Putin has someone on his staff that can inform him of this before he goes off the rails.


holy crap, that makes so much sense!  Now I want to actually see that again, and the rest of them!
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« Reply #1573 on: October 07, 2017, 07:35:20 PM »
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/10/05/study-public-fears-growing-dominance-of-robots/


"White collar workers see tech as something positive that helps them get ahead and has improved their opportunities for career advancement, giving them agency to do their jobs better, make more money and get promotions. When we asked the same questions of working class folk, you don’t get the same sense that it’s something that is helpful to them or improves access to career opportunities.

He said that “the American public does not buy the notion that it will be good for everyone.” Americans believe that “a small number of people [will] do well and everyone else loses their jobs to the robots.” It turns out, they may be right."


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« Reply #1574 on: October 07, 2017, 09:15:12 PM »
I'll have to look up the references, but an AI caucas was just formed.
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« Reply #1576 on: October 14, 2017, 04:08:31 PM »
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/google-pledges-1-billion-prepare-153900399.html

Google appears to be providing serious money to address this issue. I need to dig in more to see what it means.

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« Reply #1577 on: October 14, 2017, 07:40:38 PM »
I walked into my manager's office last week and on his screen was a powerpoint presentation about how the office is planning on automating 20 to 90 percent of activities. He must have seen my eyes get big because he then clicked out of it.
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« Reply #1578 on: October 16, 2017, 09:52:25 AM »
I walked into my manager's office last week and on his screen was a powerpoint presentation about how the office is planning on automating 20 to 90 percent of activities. He must have seen my eyes get big because he then clicked out of it.

Wow!  That would be a bit unsettling.  Would you be on the team to implement said change or are you looking for other outside opportunities?

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« Reply #1579 on: October 16, 2017, 07:32:26 PM »
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Wow!  That would be a bit unsettling.  Would you be on the team to implement said change or are you looking for other outside opportunities?

I'm definitely not looking for a new job. I don't feel like hopping again, especially so close to FIRE.

Even though I wasn't supposed to see that yes I am on the team to implement change. There is a member on my team whose sole job is to automate and we work together (he automates something, I write the new process). The office has tried and failed to automate but has failed miserably so we are the consultants who have come in to "improve" things.
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« Reply #1580 on: October 29, 2017, 01:38:27 PM »
Walmart is expanding the use of robots which run the aisles checking for merchandise that needs to be restocked to another 50 store. Pretty basic tech compared to a lot of what is discussed in this thread, but I though it was interesting that these two ideas could be presented in the same paragraph:

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Walmart stresses that the robots are there to supplement humans, not replace them...And the chief of Bossa Nova rival Simbe Robotics, Brad Bogolea, added that shelf checks can cost a major retailer hundreds of millions of dollars per year. However expensive the robots may be, they could pay for themselves very quickly.

Can people really read "we're not going to replace humans with these robots, but these robots are going to save us lots of money [presumably because they don't have to pay humans to do that work anymore]" and not see that these two statements contradict each other?

https://www.engadget.com/2017/10/26/walmart-tests-shelf-scanning-robots/

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« Reply #1581 on: October 30, 2017, 05:10:27 AM »
Walmart is expanding the use of robots which run the aisles checking for merchandise that needs to be restocked to another 50 store. Pretty basic tech compared to a lot of what is discussed in this thread, but I though it was interesting that these two ideas could be presented in the same paragraph:

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Walmart stresses that the robots are there to supplement humans, not replace them...And the chief of Bossa Nova rival Simbe Robotics, Brad Bogolea, added that shelf checks can cost a major retailer hundreds of millions of dollars per year. However expensive the robots may be, they could pay for themselves very quickly.

Can people really read "we're not going to replace humans with these robots, but these robots are going to save us lots of money [presumably because they don't have to pay humans to do that work anymore]" and not see that these two statements contradict each other?

https://www.engadget.com/2017/10/26/walmart-tests-shelf-scanning-robots/

Yeah that's been a common refrain. In my job world (mfg) that also has been the message while the apparent reality is that automation has absolutely reduced the number of jobs and grown a divide in the complexity of the jobs. Whereas you needed a fairly even spread of knowledge and skills across your various jobs within a facility now you need a more bimodal spread with peaks at the higher end and lower end of the knowledge/skill spectrum.

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« Reply #1582 on: October 30, 2017, 10:34:50 AM »
Walmart is expanding the use of robots which run the aisles checking for merchandise that needs to be restocked to another 50 store. Pretty basic tech compared to a lot of what is discussed in this thread, but I though it was interesting that these two ideas could be presented in the same paragraph:

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Walmart stresses that the robots are there to supplement humans, not replace them...And the chief of Bossa Nova rival Simbe Robotics, Brad Bogolea, added that shelf checks can cost a major retailer hundreds of millions of dollars per year. However expensive the robots may be, they could pay for themselves very quickly.

Can people really read "we're not going to replace humans with these robots, but these robots are going to save us lots of money [presumably because they don't have to pay humans to do that work anymore]" and not see that these two statements contradict each other?

https://www.engadget.com/2017/10/26/walmart-tests-shelf-scanning-robots/

This is exactly what I think is happening that automation is going to be incremental like it has been since the industrial revolution, except that it's accelerating. 

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« Reply #1583 on: October 31, 2017, 06:21:34 AM »
It's been my experience in 25 years of chemical plant production that the more we automate, the smoother things run.  Job tasks of humans that were reduced did not result in overall job loss.  We have greater production and more employees than ever.   
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« Reply #1584 on: October 31, 2017, 09:09:08 AM »
We have greater production and more employees than ever.
Yes, but how many jobs at other opperators did you eliminate by taking over their production? Being at a company that successfully automates early enough to have a competative advantages in the industry is proabably good for job security. Being at a company that is automating to try to catch up with competition might be not so good for job security.

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« Reply #1585 on: October 31, 2017, 02:37:00 PM »
Also possible: chemicals become cheaper, causing more use than ever.. Expanding the industry and needing just as many people to monitor the now greater amount produced via automation as we're previously required to produce a lesser quantity of chemicals.. Resulting in net zero job losses, but they loss of all production level jobs.

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« Reply #1586 on: October 31, 2017, 05:54:46 PM »
I think the pure economists' view would be that humans displaced from the job (or simply not hired to do it in the first place) can get a 'better' job doing something that a machine can't do as well as a human. 

How well that will actually work out in practice is something we are about to find out, I think. 

Fact is that humans can do lots of things but low skill things often are done by humans who don't really give a crap and thus do it very poorly.   Watching borderline morons bag my groceries is one of my life's little trials.  I always want to just push them aside and do it myself.   Of course, I also hate the damn machine at the self checkout repeatedly asking me to 'remove the item from the bagging area.'    So I guess it's a wash. 

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« Reply #1587 on: November 01, 2017, 11:22:17 AM »
I think the pure economists' view would be that humans displaced from the job (or simply not hired to do it in the first place) can get a 'better' job doing something that a machine can't do as well as a human. 

How well that will actually work out in practice is something we are about to find out, I think. 

Fact is that humans can do lots of things but low skill things often are done by humans who don't really give a crap and thus do it very poorly.   Watching borderline morons bag my groceries is one of my life's little trials.  I always want to just push them aside and do it myself.   Of course, I also hate the damn machine at the self checkout repeatedly asking me to 'remove the item from the bagging area.'    So I guess it's a wash.

Even when people do move to a better job, it's not an easy transition.  Think about your parents, grandparents, or great grandparents moving from farm life to working in a factory, a mine, or an office.  We just accept that you might only see your grandparents and cousins once every year or two, but that was a big deal not long ago. 

A lot of people have long unemployment periods, and maybe have to spend time and money on school or training.  It's good for society in the long run, but in the short run automation causes a lot of turmoil. 

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« Reply #1588 on: November 17, 2017, 07:19:26 AM »
Training a radiologist takes four years after four years of general medical school training, which comes after four years of college, so 12 years total of specialized training.

With a big enough training dataset (100,000 images), AI can be trained to diagnosis diseases like pneumonia was well or better than radiologists in two months. ... and of course the AI can interpret xrays all over the world, at any time of day or night.

Popular press article: https://qz.com/1130687/stanford-trained-ai-to-diagnose-pneumonia-better-than-a-radiologist-in-just-two-months/

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Re: Robots and their impact on the future
« Reply #1589 on: November 17, 2017, 08:11:19 AM »
Training a radiologist takes four years after four years of general medical school training, which comes after four years of college, so 12 years total of specialized training.

With a big enough training dataset (100,000 images), AI can be trained to diagnosis diseases like pneumonia was well or better than radiologists in two months. ... and of course the AI can interpret xrays all over the world, at any time of day or night.

Popular press article: https://qz.com/1130687/stanford-trained-ai-to-diagnose-pneumonia-better-than-a-radiologist-in-just-two-months/

Scientific preprint: https://arxiv.org/abs/1711.05225

In the same vein, don't forget Brittany Wenger, who did the same thing in 2012 at 17!
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/budding-scientist/google-recognizes-teens-for-tackling-hearing-loss-breast-cancer-and-water-quality/
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Re: Robots and their impact on the future
« Reply #1590 on: November 28, 2017, 07:35:59 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRj34o4hN4I

There is a 20 seconds blooper reel after the end of the video. Just keep watching. 

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Re: Robots and their impact on the future
« Reply #1591 on: November 28, 2017, 07:46:31 AM »
Some economists have suggested that the jobs left for humans might be the ones we are actually better than robots at: nursing and 'caring' in general.

There are a number of articles that show/explain why robots are better at nursing and caring than humans.  They never get upset, they are there 24/7, they have the ability to monitor health in real time, etc.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/20/opinion/sunday/the-future-of-robot-caregivers.html?_r=0

Imagine this: Since the robot caregiver wouldn’t require sleep, it would always be alert and available in case of crisis. While my patient slept, the robot could do laundry and other household tasks. When she woke, the robot could greet her with a kind, humanlike voice, help her get out of bed safely and make sure she was clean after she used the toilet. It — she? he? — would ensure that my patient took the right medications in the right doses. At breakfast, the robot could chat with her about the weather or news.

And then, because my patient loves to read but her eyesight is failing, the caregiver robot would offer to read to her. Or maybe it would provide her with a large-print electronic display of a book, the lighting just right for her weakened eyes. After a while the robot would say, “I wonder whether we should take a break from reading now and get you dressed. Your daughter’s coming to visit today.”

Are there ethical issues we will need to address? Of course. But I can also imagine my patient’s smile when the robot says these words, and I suspect she doesn’t smile much in her current situation, when she’s home alone, hour after hour and day after day.

The counter-point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOT0GOyw2pY

Not sure who I believe b/c Vox also said that truck driving is one of the more future proof jobs and I think that has been shown to be wrong. Unless I'm missing something.

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Re: Robots and their impact on the future
« Reply #1592 on: November 28, 2017, 08:17:14 AM »
The Dominos I saw in Belgium had electric bikes for delivery. I assume it is more difficult to make something on two wheels autonomous though.

Well ebikes do make sense but in the US city (NYC) where it would make the most sense the mayor has banned ebikes and police confiscate them... 

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Re: Robots and their impact on the future
« Reply #1593 on: November 28, 2017, 08:25:07 PM »
The Dominos I saw in Belgium had electric bikes for delivery. I assume it is more difficult to make something on two wheels autonomous though.

Well ebikes do make sense but in the US city (NYC) where it would make the most sense the mayor has banned ebikes and police confiscate them...

Seriously?! I had no idea they were illegal in NYC. They're everywhere in DC and the city has even allowed a dockless ebike system among several other dockless bike systems undergoing a "demonstration period". I get that NYC is crowded but banning ebikes is crazy.

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Re: Robots and their impact on the future
« Reply #1594 on: November 29, 2017, 06:07:43 AM »
People do business with people. Soft skills are the future. If you don't have them, you will need them...

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Re: Robots and their impact on the future
« Reply #1595 on: November 29, 2017, 07:10:34 AM »
People do business with people. Soft skills are the future. If you don't have them, you will need them...

As people keep ordering stuff online rather than go to a brick and mortar store, as people automate their banking activities, as people automate their bill payments, as people ask a phone for a ride...

I'm not sure your blanket statement is 100% applicable to all scenarios.

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Re: Robots and their impact on the future
« Reply #1596 on: November 29, 2017, 01:26:37 PM »
The Dominos I saw in Belgium had electric bikes for delivery. I assume it is more difficult to make something on two wheels autonomous though.

Well ebikes do make sense but in the US city (NYC) where it would make the most sense the mayor has banned ebikes and police confiscate them...

Seriously?! I had no idea they were illegal in NYC. They're everywhere in DC and the city has even allowed a dockless ebike system among several other dockless bike systems undergoing a "demonstration period". I get that NYC is crowded but banning ebikes is crazy.

https://slate.com/business/2017/10/bill-de-blasios-crackdown-on-e-bikes-is-a-truly-bad-idea.html

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Re: Robots and their impact on the future
« Reply #1597 on: November 30, 2017, 10:56:00 AM »
Well ebikes do make sense but in the US city (NYC) where it would make the most sense the mayor has banned ebikes and police confiscate them...

Seriously?! I had no idea they were illegal in NYC. They're everywhere in DC and the city has even allowed a dockless ebike system among several other dockless bike systems undergoing a "demonstration period". I get that NYC is crowded but banning ebikes is crazy.

https://slate.com/business/2017/10/bill-de-blasios-crackdown-on-e-bikes-is-a-truly-bad-idea.html
NY State has not yet enacted any e-bike laws. NY DMV says they do not qualify to be registered as motor vehicles. Appearently they are being treated under NY State law as illegal motor vehicles rather than as bicycles. There is a bill in NY's Assembly Transportation committee (since Jan 10, 2017) that would allow e-bikes (matching the federal definition).

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Re: Robots and their impact on the future
« Reply #1598 on: November 30, 2017, 01:59:50 PM »

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Re: Robots and their impact on the future
« Reply #1599 on: November 30, 2017, 02:15:13 PM »
People do business with people. Soft skills are the future. If you don't have them, you will need them...

As people keep ordering stuff online rather than go to a brick and mortar store, as people automate their banking activities, as people automate their bill payments, as people ask a phone for a ride...

I'm not sure your blanket statement is 100% applicable to all scenarios.

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A guy I work with decided on an online graduate degree versus going a couple of subway stops to the local commuter school which has a much better reputation. I said "you will make so many friends going to the actual school - maybe even find a girlfriend or two" and he was like "why do I want to travel to school when I can do everything from my couch." He is in his late 20s.

I'm bearish on people's ability to use charm and soft skills to outrun the robots and software.