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Richer, fitter, smarter
« on: December 12, 2014, 12:35:28 PM »
I have a month left in my deployment and I was writing my piece of the unit's newsletter that we send home to the families and I wanted to share my thoughts.  Before we left, my commander told everyone this deployment would be a great opportunity to get richer, fitter, or smarter.  Being away from home sucks, but it can also focus our attention on many self-improvement tasks.  In my team of 10 soldiers, we completed one Masters degree, four Bachelors degrees, an Associates degree, one is getting his dream job as a follow-on assignment, we lost a total of 60 pounds, and at least two of them paid off more than 50% of their total debt load.  One of my soldiers is about to retire and his first order of business post-Army is to literally walk around the US.  He's been planning this all year making the logistical and financial arrangements as well as physically conditioning himself for a 6,000 mile journey. 

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Re: Richer, fitter, smarter
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2014, 12:48:26 PM »
When I went to Afghanistan I went from Soldier to SWOLEdier at the gym.  PT in the morning, NIPRnet all day, and MMA at night.  Buyout all the tuna packs and N.O.Xplode at the PX and lift lift lift the world.

Also maxed out the Saving Deposit Program.  We need another war so I can get that sweet sweet deployment money.

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Re: Richer, fitter, smarter
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2014, 01:57:10 PM »
I beat Legend of Zelda and all the Donkey Kong games during my deployment. I read a bunch of donated books after my kindle broke. I lifted more than I do at home but for the most part I was usually beat after patrol and typing up my sitreps (we really couldn't drive much since the routes were all terrible so we were walking everywhere).

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Re: Richer, fitter, smarter
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2014, 01:31:17 AM »
I used my deployment to Afghanistan to test how little I really needed to live comfortably.  I've always loved camping (and frankly, some of my best memories in the military were from the relatively simplistic field training environments), and often felt overwhelmed by the "stuff", clutter, and generally excessive and stressful American lifestyle. 

So we went out for half a year with a bag of clothes and a kindle.  It was liberating.

I came back from that experience, then immediately proceeded to gave away / sell the vast majority of my stuff.  I found MMM and other communities that aligned with what I had learned.  That set me on the course to a simpler life and financial independence. 

I also lost 30 lbs, which is cool I guess.

Being forced out of your comfort zone can either afford you an opportunity to wallow in your despair or grow as an individual.  I wouldn't trade my experience, as much as it sucked at the time for a variety of reasons, for anything.

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Re: Richer, fitter, smarter
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2014, 03:27:38 AM »
I have a month left in my deployment and I was writing my piece of the unit's newsletter that we send home to the families and I wanted to share my thoughts.  Before we left, my commander told everyone this deployment would be a great opportunity to get richer, fitter, or smarter.  Being away from home sucks, but it can also focus our attention on many self-improvement tasks.  In my team of 10 soldiers, we completed one Masters degree, four Bachelors degrees, an Associates degree, one is getting his dream job as a follow-on assignment, we lost a total of 60 pounds, and at least two of them paid off more than 50% of their total debt load.  One of my soldiers is about to retire and his first order of business post-Army is to literally walk around the US.  He's been planning this all year making the logistical and financial arrangements as well as physically conditioning himself for a 6,000 mile journey.

Ain't war grand?  It's such a wonderful thing.

Go overseas, kill people and break things in an utterly pointless and unnecessary war, and profit from it.  Life is good (unless you are the poor Iraqi or Afghani bastard at the wrong end of an M-16).

And fuck those little brown people you are "liberating."  After all, y'all can get a free Master's degree out of it (at taxpayer's expense).  Hell yeah!

God Bless America!

Anyone else want to stand up and sing "proud to be 'Murrican" with me?


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Re: Richer, fitter, smarter
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2014, 04:32:53 AM »
I have a month left in my deployment and I was writing my piece of the unit's newsletter that we send home to the families and I wanted to share my thoughts.  Before we left, my commander told everyone this deployment would be a great opportunity to get richer, fitter, or smarter.  Being away from home sucks, but it can also focus our attention on many self-improvement tasks.  In my team of 10 soldiers, we completed one Masters degree, four Bachelors degrees, an Associates degree, one is getting his dream job as a follow-on assignment, we lost a total of 60 pounds, and at least two of them paid off more than 50% of their total debt load.  One of my soldiers is about to retire and his first order of business post-Army is to literally walk around the US.  He's been planning this all year making the logistical and financial arrangements as well as physically conditioning himself for a 6,000 mile journey.

Ain't war grand?  It's such a wonderful thing.

Go overseas, kill people and break things in an utterly pointless and unnecessary war, and profit from it.  Life is good (unless you are the poor Iraqi or Afghani bastard at the wrong end of an M-16).

And fuck those little brown people you are "liberating."  After all, y'all can get a free Master's degree out of it (at taxpayer's expense).  Hell yeah!

God Bless America!

Anyone else want to stand up and sing "proud to be 'Murrican" with me?


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The various people elected to the White House and Congress over the last 13 years have had no problem with sending me back every other year, so you'll just have to deal with it.  I paid for half of my degree out of pocket and the rest I owe as a time repayment three times what I spent in school.

If you're going to get on a soapbox about the people affected by war, at least get their names right.  A citizen of Afghanistan is an Afghan, not an Afghani. That's their currency.

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Re: Richer, fitter, smarter
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2014, 04:52:51 AM »
I have a month left in my deployment and I was writing my piece of the unit's newsletter that we send home to the families and I wanted to share my thoughts.  Before we left, my commander told everyone this deployment would be a great opportunity to get richer, fitter, or smarter.  Being away from home sucks, but it can also focus our attention on many self-improvement tasks.  In my team of 10 soldiers, we completed one Masters degree, four Bachelors degrees, an Associates degree, one is getting his dream job as a follow-on assignment, we lost a total of 60 pounds, and at least two of them paid off more than 50% of their total debt load.  One of my soldiers is about to retire and his first order of business post-Army is to literally walk around the US.  He's been planning this all year making the logistical and financial arrangements as well as physically conditioning himself for a 6,000 mile journey.

Ain't war grand?  It's such a wonderful thing.

Go overseas, kill people and break things in an utterly pointless and unnecessary war, and profit from it.  Life is good (unless you are the poor Iraqi or Afghani bastard at the wrong end of an M-16).

And fuck those little brown people you are "liberating."  After all, y'all can get a free Master's degree out of it (at taxpayer's expense).  Hell yeah!

God Bless America!

Anyone else want to stand up and sing "proud to be 'Murrican" with me?


USA! USA! USA!

The various people elected to the White House and Congress over the last 13 years have had no problem with sending me back every other year, so you'll just have to deal with it.  I paid for half of my degree out of pocket and the rest I owe as a time repayment three times what I spent in school.

If you're going to get on a soapbox about the people affected by war, at least get their names right.  A citizen of Afghanistan is an Afghan, not an Afghani. That's their currency.

Yeah, technically "Afghani" isn't correct, but it's a term widely used by EVERYONE, and especially by the press.

Was a debate over "afghan" versus "afghani" really all you could get out of my post?

Did you check my spelling and punctuation, too?

Damn, son, maybe you'd like to quibble about my font, too?

In case it wasn't clear, I was pointing out that using a poorly thought out war in which American, Afghan, and other foreign national lives are lost, as a personal profit center wasn't necessarily something to brag about.

In my 30+ year career as an Army officer, I never went to Afghanistan (Thank God).   So you can rest easy knowing that I never offended them by using the wrong term.  I never kicked down the doors of innocent civilians in the name of "freedom," either.  I guess I just missed out on the fun.

So what is worse, my use of the colloquial (though technically incorrect) term on an internet forum, or kicking down the door of innocent AFGHAN (see, I got it right) civilians in an unjust and pointless occupation?

And yeah, I get it, soldiers are forced into the stupid wars Congress sends them to.  So you have to do your time.

But it doesn't mean you should brag about it and act like it's some great profit center for making money and getting degrees.


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Re: Richer, fitter, smarter
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2014, 05:54:57 AM »
I have a month left in my deployment and I was writing my piece of the unit's newsletter that we send home to the families and I wanted to share my thoughts.  Before we left, my commander told everyone this deployment would be a great opportunity to get richer, fitter, or smarter.  Being away from home sucks, but it can also focus our attention on many self-improvement tasks.  In my team of 10 soldiers, we completed one Masters degree, four Bachelors degrees, an Associates degree, one is getting his dream job as a follow-on assignment, we lost a total of 60 pounds, and at least two of them paid off more than 50% of their total debt load.  One of my soldiers is about to retire and his first order of business post-Army is to literally walk around the US.  He's been planning this all year making the logistical and financial arrangements as well as physically conditioning himself for a 6,000 mile journey.

Ain't war grand?  It's such a wonderful thing.

Go overseas, kill people and break things in an utterly pointless and unnecessary war, and profit from it.  Life is good (unless you are the poor Iraqi or Afghani bastard at the wrong end of an M-16).

And fuck those little brown people you are "liberating."  After all, y'all can get a free Master's degree out of it (at taxpayer's expense).  Hell yeah!

God Bless America!

Anyone else want to stand up and sing "proud to be 'Murrican" with me?


USA! USA! USA!

The various people elected to the White House and Congress over the last 13 years have had no problem with sending me back every other year, so you'll just have to deal with it.  I paid for half of my degree out of pocket and the rest I owe as a time repayment three times what I spent in school.

If you're going to get on a soapbox about the people affected by war, at least get their names right.  A citizen of Afghanistan is an Afghan, not an Afghani. That's their currency.

Yeah, technically "Afghani" isn't correct, but it's a term widely used by EVERYONE, and especially by the press.

Was a debate over "afghan" versus "afghani" really all you could get out of my post?

Did you check my spelling and punctuation, too?

Damn, son, maybe you'd like to quibble about my font, too?

In case it wasn't clear, I was pointing out that using a poorly thought out war in which American, Afghan, and other foreign national lives are lost, as a personal profit center wasn't necessarily something to brag about.

In my 30+ year career as an Army officer, I never went to Afghanistan (Thank God).   So you can rest easy knowing that I never offended them by using the wrong term.  I never kicked down the doors of innocent civilians in the name of "freedom," either.  I guess I just missed out on the fun.

So what is worse, my use of the colloquial (though technically incorrect) term on an internet forum, or kicking down the door of innocent AFGHAN (see, I got it right) civilians in an unjust and pointless occupation?

And yeah, I get it, soldiers are forced into the stupid wars Congress sends them to.  So you have to do your time.

But it doesn't mean you should brag about it and act like it's some great profit center for making money and getting degrees.

Ha, dude, you're kind of a dick.

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Re: Richer, fitter, smarter
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2014, 06:01:01 AM »
We need another war so I can get that sweet sweet deployment money.

Get your fucking priorities straight, or get help in doing so.

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Re: Richer, fitter, smarter
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2014, 06:14:54 AM »
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But it doesn't mean you should brag about it and act like it's some great profit center for making money and getting degrees.

Every one of us who earned a degree while out here started it long before we deployed. The whole point of my post was that rather than wallow in self pity at being away from home we were able to focus time and energy on something productive - unless of course you'd rather we cry ourselves to sleep every night.  For many of my younger NCOs war is hardly a "profit center," but for the soldier I was talking about he simply didn't have any bills this year along with the extra money he received and was able to focus on getting out of debt.

I nitpicked your terminology because you seemed intent on ranting about all these "brown people" you seem to think I'm killing while shouting 'Merica!  I'm not even in Afghanistan this time around.  This deployment has my unit all over the Middle East training friendly nations which includes a lot of down time to either mope or find something productive to do.

If I had said "This war was awesome and I'm rich, bitch!" then please chastise me to your hearts content.  The gentleman above me who straight up said "I need another deployment" concerns me and I'm hoping he was making a joke.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2014, 06:19:51 AM by Travis »

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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2014, 06:15:11 AM »
I have a month left in my deployment and I was writing my piece of the unit's newsletter that we send home to the families and I wanted to share my thoughts.  Before we left, my commander told everyone this deployment would be a great opportunity to get richer, fitter, or smarter.  Being away from home sucks, but it can also focus our attention on many self-improvement tasks.  In my team of 10 soldiers, we completed one Masters degree, four Bachelors degrees, an Associates degree, one is getting his dream job as a follow-on assignment, we lost a total of 60 pounds, and at least two of them paid off more than 50% of their total debt load.  One of my soldiers is about to retire and his first order of business post-Army is to literally walk around the US.  He's been planning this all year making the logistical and financial arrangements as well as physically conditioning himself for a 6,000 mile journey.

Ain't war grand?  It's such a wonderful thing.

Go overseas, kill people and break things in an utterly pointless and unnecessary war, and profit from it.  Life is good (unless you are the poor Iraqi or Afghani bastard at the wrong end of an M-16).

And fuck those little brown people you are "liberating."  After all, y'all can get a free Master's degree out of it (at taxpayer's expense).  Hell yeah!

God Bless America!

Anyone else want to stand up and sing "proud to be 'Murrican" with me?


USA! USA! USA!

The various people elected to the White House and Congress over the last 13 years have had no problem with sending me back every other year, so you'll just have to deal with it.  I paid for half of my degree out of pocket and the rest I owe as a time repayment three times what I spent in school.

If you're going to get on a soapbox about the people affected by war, at least get their names right.  A citizen of Afghanistan is an Afghan, not an Afghani. That's their currency.

Yeah, technically "Afghani" isn't correct, but it's a term widely used by EVERYONE, and especially by the press.

Was a debate over "afghan" versus "afghani" really all you could get out of my post?

Did you check my spelling and punctuation, too?

Damn, son, maybe you'd like to quibble about my font, too?

In case it wasn't clear, I was pointing out that using a poorly thought out war in which American, Afghan, and other foreign national lives are lost, as a personal profit center wasn't necessarily something to brag about.

In my 30+ year career as an Army officer, I never went to Afghanistan (Thank God).   So you can rest easy knowing that I never offended them by using the wrong term.  I never kicked down the doors of innocent civilians in the name of "freedom," either.  I guess I just missed out on the fun.

So what is worse, my use of the colloquial (though technically incorrect) term on an internet forum, or kicking down the door of innocent AFGHAN (see, I got it right) civilians in an unjust and pointless occupation?

And yeah, I get it, soldiers are forced into the stupid wars Congress sends them to.  So you have to do your time.

But it doesn't mean you should brag about it and act like it's some great profit center for making money and getting degrees.

Ha, dude, you're kind of a dick.

Kind of?  Damn, son, don't soft peddle it.  I can be a huge throbbing dick when necessary.  And this was one of those cases that demanded it.

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Re: Richer, fitter, smarter
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2014, 06:21:59 AM »
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But it doesn't mean you should brag about it and act like it's some great profit center for making money and getting degrees.

Every one of us who earned a degree while out here started it long before we deployed. The whole point of my post was that rather than wallow in self pity at being away from home we were able to focus time and energy on something productive - unless of course you'd rather we cry ourselves to sleep every night.  For many of my younger NCOs war is hardly a "profit center," but for the soldier I was talking about he simply didn't have any bills this year along with the extra money he received and was able to focus on getting out of debt.

I nitpicked your terminology because you seemed intent on ranting about all these "brown people" you seem to think I'm killing while shouting 'Merica!  I'm not even in Afghanistan this time around.  This deployment has my unit all over the Middle East training friendly nations which includes a lot of down time to either mope or find something productive to do.

Good.  I'm glad that you aren't one of those types that blindly assume that all those brown people are evil, and that 'Murrica is all good.

Just don't train those "friendlies" too well, because odds are, they'll be shooting at us in the near future.  Teach them just enough to think they know what they are doing, but not enough to really be dangerous. :)

We've played that foolish game far too many times (yet we never seem to learn).

And btw, while it may not have been clear in my rant, I blame our politicians for the stupid wars we get into, not the soldiers.  Pvt Snuffy and Lt. Dingleberry really don't have the power to make that call.


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Re: Richer, fitter, smarter
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2014, 06:29:05 AM »
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Just don't train those "friendlies" too well, because odds are, they'll be shooting at us in the near future.  Teach them just enough to think they know what they are doing, but not enough to really be dangerous. :)

Actually, these are countries we sell multi-million dollar hardware to (or seriously thinking about it).  We're teaching them how to use it.  Some are bona fide allies, while others we hope to nudge in the friendlier direction by spending time with their senior officers.  One of the trips was as simple as a seminar on professional education followed by a couple hours of PT.

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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2014, 06:43:33 AM »
I also wanted to point out that I've steered a few of them towards Mustachian principles.  We have a lot of time hanging out in close quarters and every now and then they see me typing here on the forums.  Yesterday four of us spent nearly an hour just discussing ways to get your television needs without cable and reduce our phone bills.  One of them asked me out of the blue "Are you going with Ting?" and silently I cheered that I'm not the only one who knows about them.  Too many of them are still in love with their electronic toys, but I know the debtors on the team have vowed "never again" and occasionally I'm able to impart some wisdom I've learned here.

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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2014, 07:03:52 AM »
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Just don't train those "friendlies" too well, because odds are, they'll be shooting at us in the near future.  Teach them just enough to think they know what they are doing, but not enough to really be dangerous. :)

Actually, these are countries we sell multi-million dollar hardware to (or seriously thinking about it).  We're teaching them how to use it.  Some are bona fide allies, while others we hope to nudge in the friendlier direction by spending time with their senior officers.  One of the trips was as simple as a seminar on professional education followed by a couple hours of PT.

The USA has a spectacular record of FAILURE after FAILURE after FAILURE when it comes to training and equipping dubious "allies." (Lets face it, most of these clowns are "allies" only because we send them a big US Taxpayer funded check- they'd slit their own mother's throat for $10 American).

Whether the South Vietnamese Army (which every soldier knew would collapse as soon as it met halfway serious opposition- and it did), Iran (they are still using the stuff we gave them 40 years ago), Iraq (we spent 10 years training, paying, and equipping them, and they folded up like a cheap suit and ran away, abandoning all that expensive US Taxpayer funded equipment, with barely a shot fired, as soon as a rag tag militia (ISIS) took a few shots at them).

Most Americans are blissfully unaware of how many cut throats, tyrants, dictators, thieves, and assholes the American government/military is propping up with weapons and training (they don't care, because "American Idol" is on at 8).

It's tragic that young Americans often join the military for the best of reasons, thinking they are "defending America" or "defending Freedom" or similar, when they almost never do either.  They end up fighting stupid political wars for the sake of defense contractors, politicians, Israel, etc.

At least when I first went into the military ('81), we had the (admittedly overblown) "threat" of the Warsaw Pact, but now, there is no real threat to the USA in a conventional military sense, nor has there been for 25 years.  Our "leaders" have to make up Bull Shit enemies and "threats" to America, just to keep those dollars flowing into the military-industrial complex. 

All that money blown on "Defense" against essentially powerless enemies could have been used to strengthen our economy- and we wonder why the Swiss and Norwegians and others, who used to be below us, are now kicking our economic ass- because they don't blow their wealth fighting an endless series of pointless wars.

I'm starting to sound like a peace-nik, when I am not.  But I get so annoyed at the colossal waste involved in our military and the stupid wars they are sent to.

Here's an idea.  Cut the US Military by 50% TOMORROW, it will still be far and away the most powerful military in the world, an no nation in the world would be a "threat" to us.  Cut out just a few of the pointless deployments (Iraq and Afghanistan would be a good start).  Turn the USA into a Republic, rather than an Empire.

End of rant.

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Re: Richer, fitter, smarter
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2014, 07:05:52 AM »
Congrats to Travis and his team for making the best of a difficult situation.  If you don't like where our soldiers are deployed, focus your efforts for change on the politicians who sent them there.

I struggle with the 'training allies' bit myself; I work for the Navy and have spent a good but of time delivering and training foreign military on that equipment Travis mentions.

Spain, Italy, Finland?  No problem.  Egypt?  I know we need some moderate influence in the middle East but they're very close to a full Islamic fundamentalist shift.  Kuwait and Saudi?  Morally corrupt sheiks powered by oil revenue.

The good (?) part is that these countries depend on US contractors to keep even a rudimentary readiness for these aircraft and their systems.  It's the more basic stuff-- light weaponry and the like--that's going to keep coming back to bite us.

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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2014, 09:37:57 AM »
Libertarian,  I think you have gone off topic turning this into a political rant.  I read the original post as "hey, no matter what life throws at us we can make the best of it and try to improve ourselves".  That idea translates to any context not just soldiers being deployed oversees.

I salute the service of anyone who volunteers to serve in the military and support them, even if I would personally prefer the US goes back to its historical non interventionist policies of the 19th and early 20th centuries.   As you stated, these guys have no say in the mission they are deployed to, so why you gotta be a hater??

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Re: Richer, fitter, smarter
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2014, 09:56:16 AM »

Ain't war grand?  It's such a wonderful thing.

Go overseas, kill people and break things in an utterly pointless and unnecessary war, and profit from it.  Life is good (unless you are the poor Iraqi or Afghani bastard at the wrong end of an M-16).

And fuck those little brown people you are "liberating."  After all, y'all can get a free Master's degree out of it (at taxpayer's expense).  Hell yeah!

God Bless America!

Anyone else want to stand up and sing "proud to be 'Murrican" with me?


USA! USA! USA!


libertarian4321, Please tell me you are donating your military pension to charity or are giving it back to the government. It took you 30 years to develop a conscience? Slow learner I guess.

BTW I lost 35lbs when deployed - put it all back on though!


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« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2014, 11:58:05 AM »
I have a month left in my deployment and I was writing my piece of the unit's newsletter that we send home to the families and I wanted to share my thoughts.  Before we left, my commander told everyone this deployment would be a great opportunity to get richer, fitter, or smarter.  Being away from home sucks, but it can also focus our attention on many self-improvement tasks.  In my team of 10 soldiers, we completed one Masters degree, four Bachelors degrees, an Associates degree, one is getting his dream job as a follow-on assignment, we lost a total of 60 pounds, and at least two of them paid off more than 50% of their total debt load.  One of my soldiers is about to retire and his first order of business post-Army is to literally walk around the US.  He's been planning this all year making the logistical and financial arrangements as well as physically conditioning himself for a 6,000 mile journey.

Ain't war grand?  It's such a wonderful thing.

Go overseas, kill people and break things in an utterly pointless and unnecessary war, and profit from it.  Life is good (unless you are the poor Iraqi or Afghani bastard at the wrong end of an M-16).

And fuck those little brown people you are "liberating."  After all, y'all can get a free Master's degree out of it (at taxpayer's expense).  Hell yeah!

God Bless America!

Anyone else want to stand up and sing "proud to be 'Murrican" with me?


USA! USA! USA!

The various people elected to the White House and Congress over the last 13 years have had no problem with sending me back every other year, so you'll just have to deal with it.  I paid for half of my degree out of pocket and the rest I owe as a time repayment three times what I spent in school.

If you're going to get on a soapbox about the people affected by war, at least get their names right.  A citizen of Afghanistan is an Afghan, not an Afghani. That's their currency.

Yeah, technically "Afghani" isn't correct, but it's a term widely used by EVERYONE, and especially by the press.

Was a debate over "afghan" versus "afghani" really all you could get out of my post?

Did you check my spelling and punctuation, too?

Damn, son, maybe you'd like to quibble about my font, too?

In case it wasn't clear, I was pointing out that using a poorly thought out war in which American, Afghan, and other foreign national lives are lost, as a personal profit center wasn't necessarily something to brag about.

In my 30+ year career as an Army officer, I never went to Afghanistan (Thank God).   So you can rest easy knowing that I never offended them by using the wrong term.  I never kicked down the doors of innocent civilians in the name of "freedom," either.  I guess I just missed out on the fun.

So what is worse, my use of the colloquial (though technically incorrect) term on an internet forum, or kicking down the door of innocent AFGHAN (see, I got it right) civilians in an unjust and pointless occupation?

And yeah, I get it, soldiers are forced into the stupid wars Congress sends them to.  So you have to do your time.

But it doesn't mean you should brag about it and act like it's some great profit center for making money and getting degrees.

During your military career did you ever deploy to a combat environment? If yes, why are you giving grief to people for making the most out of it? If no, why are you giving grief to people for making the most out of it?

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Re: Richer, fitter, smarter
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2014, 03:19:59 PM »
We need another war so I can get that sweet sweet deployment money.

Get your fucking priorities straight, or get help in doing so.

A little hyperbole now and then won't hurt anyone.