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Reverse mortgage business is booming in Canada
« on: January 14, 2020, 09:33:36 AM »
Had the following article pop up on my news feed today.  I would occasionally see the commercials for this and often wondered who would be silly enough to do this.  Apparently many many people are in this category.


https://business.financialpost.com/real-estate/mortgages/reverse-mortgage-business-is-booming-in-canada-as-seniors-tap-home-equity-to-pay-debts

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Canada’s largest reverse mortgage lender posted record originations last year, with factors such as disappearing workplace pensions and stringent stress tests for borrowing pushing seniors to tap home equity in order to pay debts and fund their retirement.

“Seniors now are taking more debt into retirement and debt is pretty hard to manage on a fixed income,” said Steven Ranson, chief executive of HomeEquity Bank, which originated a record $820 million in reverse mortgages in 2019, up from $767 million a year earlier and $309 million five years ago.

A reverse mortgage typically carries a higher rate of annual interest than a traditional mortgage — the current five-year fixed rate at HomeEquity is 5.59 per cent — but no payments are made until the homeowner sells the house or dies and the loan is repaid by their estate.

The qualifying age for such an arrangement is 55, but Ranson said the bank’s average client would be in their early seventies. He added between 30 and 40 per cent of the business comes from people paying off debt such as a conventional mortgage or money owing on a line of credit.

Occasionally, home equity is even being tapped to pay off credit card bills, he said, adding that his team had heard from seniors that they are turning to reverse mortgages because new federal stress tests make it tough to secure a line of credit against their homes.

While some might be troubled by the trend that has seniors financing their lives by eating into assets that typically would have been left to children by an earlier generation, the boom has resulted in HomeEquity Bank racking up a portfolio of about $4 billion in reverse mortgage loans.

The lender dipped a toe in selling a bundle of reverse mortgages to another financial institution last year — $75 million worth — to generate funds to make even more loans.

Ranson said he intends to arrange a larger transaction in the first half of this year to continue to feed demand, which he hopes will help originate at least $900 million in new reverse mortgages in 2020.

The aging population’s growing appetite for using home equity to finance their cash and debt needs is borne out by recent figures from the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions, which show that reverse mortgages came close to tripling over the past five years. Reverse mortgages in Canada stood at $3.92 billion as of October, up from $1.35 billion in the same month of 2014.

The trends have also drawn competition for HomeEquity Bank, which had the field virtually to itself for years. Equitable Bank, an alternative mortgage lender that had already expanded with online banking and high-interest savings accounts, just completed its second year in the reverse-mortgage business.

Andrew Moor, chief executive of Equitable, told the Financial Post his company’s portfolio has grown to around $20 million, up 540 per cent in the last year alone.

Moor said his firm entered the field in time to catch the first large wave of workers who are going into retirement without the benefit of a secure defined benefit pension to fund the rest of their lives.

He said he thinks competition will expand the size of the market by creating an environment where more options are made available to entice consumers. In its second year in the business, for example, Equitable began to offer lower rates to clients who take the full amount of money for which they quality.

“It’s a relatively underdeveloped market here,” Moor said in an interview Monday, adding that he believes the size of the Canadian reverse mortgage market could grow by four or five times based on demographic trends and the growth in more developed markets with more players, such as the United Kingdom.

The Financial Consumer Agency of Canada has not weighed in on the use of reverse mortgages, though the agency has directed lenders to ensure they have clear, simple information that is not misleading in their agreements with clients, according to a spokesperson.

The agency also lays out the pros and cons of such arrangements on its website, including extra costs that may be associated with reverse mortgages, such as setup and home-appraisal fees, legal costs, and higher interest rates than a traditional mortgage. The website also cautions those considering a reverse mortgage that the equity in their home may go down as interest on the loan continues to rack up over the years.

Ranson says HomeEquity Bank won’t lend more than 50 per cent of the equity in a home, with a typical loan at closer to 30 per cent of value, and the homeowner keeps any appreciation beyond the loan and interest.

“The amount you owe will never exceed the value of the house,” he said. “If house values fall, we take that loss….That’s the risk we take as the lender.”

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Re: Reverse mortgage business is booming in Canada
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2020, 09:44:10 AM »
Man, don't go into retirement with mortgage or credit card debt. I know of a situation. It isn't pretty. Lots of retirees are on a "fixed income". Even tougher when the fixed income and living expenses (due to debt) are almost the same number.

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Re: Reverse mortgage business is booming in Canada
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2020, 10:06:52 AM »
If you bought a house in Vancouver or Toronto several decades ago, and you've seen crazy price inflation and the related tax burden without enough retirement income to compensate, what are you supposed to do?

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Re: Reverse mortgage business is booming in Canada
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2020, 10:22:20 AM »
If you bought a house in Vancouver or Toronto several decades ago, and you've seen crazy price inflation and the related tax burden without enough retirement income to compensate, what are you supposed to do?

Vote to keep property taxes low and remind your children to do the same, otherwise the bank will inherit the house through reverse mortgage rather than the children.

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Re: Reverse mortgage business is booming in Canada
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2020, 10:28:49 AM »
If you bought a house in Vancouver or Toronto several decades ago, and you've seen crazy price inflation and the related tax burden without enough retirement income to compensate, what are you supposed to do?

Uhhr, sell, obviously? Who wants to take care of a big empty house anyway? Tax free windfall that can fund a retirement forever? I mean, for the situation you describe, people who have woefully mismanaged their money for the entirety of their working lives are being bailed out by a surging real estate market, and they fall into this crap trap? I am not surprised, but we can all agree it is a poor idea.

I don't care about leaving money for their kids... I think they should sell and capture paper gains, fund their retirement.

One reason, amongst many, of why there are not enough houses for sale in Canada.

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Re: Reverse mortgage business is booming in Canada
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2020, 10:30:04 AM »
Man, don't go into retirement with mortgage or credit card debt.

My mortgage is 3.85% and tax deductible. Why would I pay it off early?

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Re: Reverse mortgage business is booming in Canada
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2020, 10:34:42 AM »
I have no interest in what the kids inherit in these instances. But since I have two separate friends both single who recently took on brand new mortgages, both nearing 70 years old, I just think WTF about senior citizens plowing Head first into this kind of debt.

Both of my friends each bought houses with bigger sq footage than I have (well, we have 2 houses but will scale back to 1.) In a harsher climate. One of them actually pays a mortgage on another property as well. The other one has a reverse mortgage.

The article barely touches on inspection  fees and upkeep requirements which I have read can be onerous for reverse mortgages. My friend with the reverse mortgage does not know how to maintain a house. She would violently disagree wih me, but the tuck-pointing, windows, roof, and etc in her previous house were things she seldom considered., To her, “maintenance” is shiny granite counter tops and fashion sinks and etc. if the mortgage company says lady you need to replace all of these windows,and they are 25 years old so nearing the end of their life, she will not know how to fund that.

Oh, and both have or will soon have brand new vehicles. Fully financed, of course.
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Re: Reverse mortgage business is booming in Canada
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2020, 10:38:47 AM »
Man, don't go into retirement with mortgage or credit card debt. I know of a situation. It isn't pretty. Lots of retirees are on a "fixed income". Even tougher when the fixed income and living expenses (due to debt) are almost the same number.

For me FIREtirement means I own my home  (no mortgage).

This is not to say that individuals who rent or pay a mortgage are not, or cannot be FIREd.
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Re: Reverse mortgage business is booming in Canada
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2020, 11:02:05 AM »
BREAKING:
- population is aging
- product aimed at older people is selling more

More news at 11.

Seriously though, this article reads like a press release from the company showing off. I'd like to see some of these numbers standardized for the growing population of retirees. For instance, % of retirees using this product. I'd also like to see the $$ numbers standardized for housing inflation.

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Re: Reverse mortgage business is booming in Canada
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2020, 11:26:13 AM »
Someone in my family recently did this.  She's in her early 70s.  There are three people (including a 40+ failure to launch child with no job currently) living in a huge single family home. 

One of the spouses still works full time (though he  has some expenses that probably explain at least part of that, which I won't go into for privay reasons) and the other has a part time job probably making little more than mimimum wage (which I can't figure out as I'm sure she could find something else).

I suspect that if they downsized to a 3 bedroom condo (so still fairly spacious) they wouldn't have needed that, but no one asked me, and it's not my problem or really even my business (unless they outlive the reverse mortgage payments...).

I do wonder why they didn't just do a cash out re-fi, and then use the money they took out to make the payments, at the very least.  Seems like it is basically the same thing, but with lower interest.  It does require the discipline not to spend that money on other things. 

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Re: Reverse mortgage business is booming in Canada
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2020, 01:00:54 PM »
If you bought a house in Vancouver or Toronto several decades ago, and you've seen crazy price inflation and the related tax burden without enough retirement income to compensate, what are you supposed to do?

Uhhr, sell, obviously? Who wants to take care of a big empty house anyway? Tax free windfall that can fund a retirement forever? I mean, for the situation you describe, people who have woefully mismanaged their money for the entirety of their working lives are being bailed out by a surging real estate market, and they fall into this crap trap? I am not surprised, but we can all agree it is a poor idea.

I don't care about leaving money for their kids... I think they should sell and capture paper gains, fund their retirement.

One reason, amongst many, of why there are not enough houses for sale in Canada.
I agree, although an expensive house in Vancouver is not necessarily big and empty, quite the contrary, since the value of land has gone up so much.

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Re: Reverse mortgage business is booming in Canada
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2020, 01:07:59 PM »

I do wonder why they didn't just do a cash out re-fi, and then use the money they took out to make the payments, at the very least.  Seems like it is basically the same thing, but with lower interest.  It does require the discipline not to spend that money on other things.

Because to do a cash out re-fi, the bank may have to comply with responsible lending laws, which takes into account the owners ability to pay. If they don't have the required income, they wouldn't be able to do it.

Reverse mortgages (when responsibly used) are a great way to release capital for elderly people, without them having to tax the younger generation through higher social security payments.

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Re: Reverse mortgage business is booming in Canada
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2020, 01:21:30 PM »

I do wonder why they didn't just do a cash out re-fi, and then use the money they took out to make the payments, at the very least.  Seems like it is basically the same thing, but with lower interest.  It does require the discipline not to spend that money on other things.

Because to do a cash out re-fi, the bank may have to comply with responsible lending laws, which takes into account the owners ability to pay. If they don't have the required income, they wouldn't be able to do it.

Reverse mortgages (when responsibly used) are a great way to release capital for elderly people, without them having to tax the younger generation through higher social security payments.

That makes perfect sense. I believe the house is only in the name of one of the adults, and she likely wouldn't qualify. So if they don't want to add the other adult, the numbers wouldn't work from a bank's perspective.  Didn't think of that; thanks!

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Re: Reverse mortgage business is booming in Canada
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2020, 02:31:55 PM »
200% p.a. payday loans and reverse mortgages are both predatory offers to be avoided like hookers that have STDs. The only winner here is the bank, big, no huge time!

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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2020, 12:34:40 PM »
I do wonder why they didn't just do a cash out re-fi, and then use the money they took out to make the payments, at the very least.  Seems like it is basically the same thing, but with lower interest.  It does require the discipline not to spend that money on other things.

Because to do a cash out re-fi, the bank may have to comply with responsible lending laws, which takes into account the owners ability to pay. If they don't have the required income, they wouldn't be able to do it.

This seems timely: WSJ: You’re Never Too Old to Apply for a Mortgage. Of course, this is for people who can make their payments and live in the USA.

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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2020, 01:14:57 PM »
200% p.a. payday loans and reverse mortgages are both predatory offers to be avoided like hookers that have STDs. The only winner here is the bank, big, no huge time!

There is a world of difference between the two. Please don't conflate them.

Consider a retiree in a house worth $1m, that has historically appreciated at 3.0% per year. One could expect that house to appreciate in value by $30,000 this coming year.

The retiree is asset rich but has little income, so takes a reverse mortgage of $100,000 to supplement their cash holdings and tide them over for the next few years. The interest (of say 5%) capitalises, so the balance is $105,000 at the end of the first year.

Whilst the LVR on the property has gone up from 10.0% to 10.1%, the property is increasing in value faster than the value of the loan.

This is true for the first few years. Down the track it may not be, but as the old saying goes, in the long run we're all dead so what's the bother?

Don't knock a product that can make life much more comfortable for people in their old age. A million dollar inheritance to one's children is silly when your own self lives in poverty.