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DIY Home Building
« on: April 26, 2020, 06:26:12 PM »
I'm not sure if this should go in Real Estate, or Learning, or maybe multiple places, but here's the long story short:

I'm at the point (assuming the sale would go through with Covid issues in place because I don't know how strong the real estate market is in my area) where my wife and I have enough equity in our home to do something with it.

To clarify: Our home is every bit as big as we would need for a family of four. And I don't think we need to move, as this is the first house we bought with the intent of buying just a tad bit bigger to grow our family, BUT we didn't need a McMansion. BUT, the one factor I have been thinking about is as follows: In our region, we live in one of the handful of most priciest zip codes. Didn't mean to do it that way. It's a good school district, and the house was a total reno. It took 3 months to do most of the work, and another year to handle all of the smaller but still important things. We've only been in it for about 3.5 years, so we've made progress.

That's the background, so here's the point I'm looking for help or resources (mainly advice):

If we move even a few miles away (5 to 10), and if we can get relatively close to market value then after realtor and selling costs, with the equity built we would clear enough to buy between 2 and 5 acres (it varies), and probably build a small house. However, my FIL built my wife's house when they were children, and while age is a factor for the labor, his knowledge and technical skill combined with my willingness to do things would probably let us build the right sized house while still allowing the subcontracting for things we can't do, the legal and architectural, and the utility hookups. My concern is that even though I KNOW the amount of work this will entail, and even though I know some of the projects I have yet to do, am I missing something crucial? Is there anything major that I should be aware of?

The current plan is to have a couple of acres so that a) we aren't on top of our neighbors, b) we can enjoy our backyard (right now we I can step through my front door and see in through the front door / window of 8 neighbors, we are on top of each other), and c) I would like to be more green and have room for DIY solar panels, a garden, possibly a greenhouse, rain barrels, etc. It's harder to operate like that in the middle of a subdivision.

Finally, the way we are leaning is doing a pole barn to have a very basic frame, avoiding the basement entirely, and then just finishing the interior. We would probably need to have someone pour the concrete (I might be able to do this but don't want to screw it up), build the barn itself (my cousin does this and would only charge us material plus wages - no markup as they need to pay their guys in this climate), and do the spray foam insulation. I may also have a drywaller come in and do the sheet rock, mud and sanding, as drywalling the walls and ceiling of a 2,000 square foot barn is not something I would look forward to. However, everything else. Framing, electrical, plumbing, trim, windows, HVAC ... I have enough experience doing all of those things in one way or another that I wouldn't be afraid to do it on my own.

And, while this could be a very busy year, my biggest light at the end of the tunnel is mortgage will be paid off, AND we still have the perfect footprint of a house until I die.

I'm just wondering if there are any horror stories, suggestions, resources, tips, etc.

Thanks! 

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Re: DIY Home Building
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2020, 07:56:31 PM »
I don't have any advice to give,  but did want to cheer you on! This is roughly the same idea we are contemplating within 2 to 3 years.

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Re: DIY Home Building
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2020, 12:34:53 AM »

Maybe I misunderstood, but it sounds like you'll sell your current house to buy the property and start the construction.  Where will you live in the interim?  What will that cost?   

I think it is worth asking yourself if putting your own labor into building your home is the most efficient use of your time and energy.  How many hours of labor do you envision putting into the construction effort and how will that affect your regular job?  Does the money saved in the homebuilding work outweigh the money you could potentially earn in your day job by doing more hours/overtime? 

It doesn't have to be a purely financial decision.  If you would derive a lot of satisfaction from helping build your home, that has value that should be considered as well.  Personally, if I could get the material plus wages deal your getting on the shell on other parts of the project, I'd jump at it, but I wouldn't particularly enjoy doing a major building project in my spare time. 

Whatever you choose, I hope you and your family end up with the home of your dreams!


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Re: DIY Home Building
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2020, 11:35:55 AM »

Maybe I misunderstood, but it sounds like you'll sell your current house to buy the property and start the construction.  Where will you live in the interim?  What will that cost?   

I think it is worth asking yourself if putting your own labor into building your home is the most efficient use of your time and energy.  How many hours of labor do you envision putting into the construction effort and how will that affect your regular job?  Does the money saved in the homebuilding work outweigh the money you could potentially earn in your day job by doing more hours/overtime?
Those are the right questions to be asking.  When it comes to the trades (electrical, plumbing, HVAC), if you are reasonably handy, then DIYing it is almost certainly a good ROI unless you're making bank at your day job.  In my area, you're looking at $75-100/hr for trades.  That money would come out of OP's pockets after taxes, so the savings are significantly higher than just the tradesperson's hourly rate.

There's also the availability issue with OP's time.  I just finished spending most of the last year finishing our basement.  At times, it becomes a challenge to find the intersection of available time, motivation, and energy to work on it, especially if you have a day job and a family (especially kids!).  That's less of an issue for people you hire.

One more thing to consider:  What is the total cost (monetary and otherwise), and what are you looking to gain in exchange?  It sounds like you are looking for space and a lack of a mortgage.  You can quantify some of the cost of both (in money and time), but not all of the cost (in stress, disruption, other things you could have done with your time).  Is there another path to achieve that same result more efficiently?

OP, I have dreams of doing something similar to you, and I would likely take a similar approach.  Concrete and drywall are two things I'm definitely willing to hire out--the folks who do that are 10x as fast as I'd ever be, and can do it way better.  One reason I'd want to DIY is purely for design and quality control.  I'm a pretty details-oriented person, and I'd want to make sure every detail of the layout is perfect, and that the construction is done precisely.

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Re: DIY Home Building
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2020, 11:41:35 AM »
Make sure you understand your local building codes with respect to the structural elements. Finishing a pole barn for use as a residence would never fly where we live.

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Re: DIY Home Building
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2020, 07:19:50 PM »
We did this, and glad we did. But consider whether you're prepared for a second full time job for several years.
Also be aware you won't qualify for a mortgage or for insurance until it's done. I'm glad we did it, but I would never in a million years do it again,

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Re: DIY Home Building
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2020, 02:38:52 PM »
Hey,

I built my own house. This is my advice to anyone thinking about it:

1) The biggest bang for your buck is acting as your own General Contractor. The GC is the project manager and usually charges 20% or more of the total build cost for the service.  However, you will earn it. By taking on the role, you are responsible for everything...permits, scheduling trades, inspections, purchasing materials, making draws on your construction loan. If there is a problem (which there will be) it's your problem. Murphy LOVES construction projects. You don't have to pound nails at all.

2) It's possible to save money doing your own work. HOWEVER, I'd only suggest doing work your are skilled at. If you are already an electrician, then by all means, do your own build out. However, do not plan on LEARNING how to wire a house by wiring your own house. TIME is your biggest enemy when doing an Owner Builder project. A good electrician can rough in a house in a couple of days. It might take you several weeks. A lot of jurisdictions are fine with homeowners doing their own electrical/plumbing/HVAC...but you still have to pass inspections and all work has to be up to code. Good tradesman get in, get the job done quickly and up to code. They are worth their weight in gold.

3) Unless you are already a tradesman, your best ROI will be creating and managing the budget, hiring excellent subcontractors (yes..lots of dirtbags out their, but lots of A++ contractors too...it's not hard to figure out which ones are which) and keeping the project on track.

4) You CAN get a construction to perm loan as an owner builder, but there are a lot of hoops to jump through. Building an accurate and complete budget (basically building the house on paper first) is the first step.

5)If I were going to do it again (and I'm planning on it) this is exactly what I would do. I'd find my lot first. I'd find a floor-plan that fit the lot (not the other way around, which is a good way to get into trouble right out of the gate). I'd  act as my own GC. I'd hire out everything except landscaping, painting and electrical & plumbing top-outs (there are two stages...rough in & top out). I'd be sure to hire EXCELLENT subs and I'd schedule no more than a 90 day build. I would not go crazy on finishes. No one cares if the toilet was $2,000 or if you have carbon fiber counter tops. Pick a few things you want to splurge on (maybe a nice tub) and keep everything else nice, but standard...doors, trim, appliances, etc.

6) People will tell you good subs won't work for owner builders. This is B.S. Good subs are worried they won't get paid. Make sure you know the draw schedule for your construction loan and make sure you can pay your subs immediately after their work passes inspection.

7) Learn the pet peeves of the local building department. They will be in your life for the entire build. In fact, this should be your first stop. Make an appointment and ask them what's their process/requirements are for owner builders. They will be happy to walk you through everything. Don't be surprised at the building permit fees. They can be high.
Building officials are NOT your enemy. They probably save as many lives from red tagging shoddy work as cops do arresting drunk drivers.

I would 100% build again. However I did way too much work myself and took way too long to get the project done. Good luck and let us know how it progresses.

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Re: DIY Home Building
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2020, 04:33:33 PM »
2) It's possible to save money doing your own work. HOWEVER, I'd only suggest doing work your are skilled at. If you are already an electrician, then by all means, do your own build out. However, do not plan on LEARNING how to wire a house by wiring your own house. TIME is your biggest enemy when doing an Owner Builder project. A good electrician can rough in a house in a couple of days. It might take you several weeks. A lot of jurisdictions are fine with homeowners doing their own electrical/plumbing/HVAC...but you still have to pass inspections and all work has to be up to code. Good tradesman get in, get the job done quickly and up to code. They are worth their weight in gold.
^^^ This especially, because while you're building a house, you're still paying for your current residence at some hundreds or thousands of dollars per month. Sure, you could save $5k by doing the plumbing and electrical yourself, but if it takes you two months, you have to subtract out two months' rent/mortgage from that savings.  Not to mention the interest on your construction loan, if you're not just paying out of pocket.

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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2020, 08:01:32 AM »
I'm a career builder.  If anyone could build their own home it would be me, but I've always chosen not to take on anything other than projects I could knock out pretty quickly by myself.   My thinking was that my time was better spent at my job earning money, than trying to save a few dollars self performing home build / remodel stuff.

One friend of ours has built two complete homes, did nearly everything himself, did a great job and knocked them out pretty quickly, probably close to a year each.   Another friend is in about his third year of a house build and at current rate it looks like it will take at least another year to get it complete.   They've been living in a crummy mini apartment he built in the pole barn all this time, surprised he hasn't gotten divorced over the deal.   

If this is something you plan to take on, I think you need to have a construction schedule and stick to it hell or high water.   Once things get beyond a year or so, I would have serious difficulty staying motivated.

Also - banks are quite reluctant to do construction loans for individuals without a serious professional construction background building their own homes as there are a whole lot of horror stories of the money being lent, home getting half finished, the money is gone, then bank has to foreclose on a half finished piece of crap.


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Re: DIY Home Building
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2020, 09:58:34 AM »
I built my own home. One piece of advice. Before you commit to anything, get some local bids for the work you plan to hire out and also get bids for the materials for the work you plan to do yourself. If you haven't done much of this in the past, you may be surprised how high the estimates will be. In addition to that, if you live in an area where construction is booming, you may also be surprised how difficult it can be to get people to show up. Good luck with everything.

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Re: DIY Home Building
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2020, 10:46:34 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2020, 12:19:39 PM »
We did this, and glad we did. But consider whether you're prepared for a second full time job for several years.
Also be aware you won't qualify for a mortgage or for insurance until it's done. I'm glad we did it, but I would never in a million years do it again,

My father designed the house he and my mother live in right by the ocean in NC.

He had a TERRIBLE time coordinating different contractors in the sequence required  for home construction.

He asked the contractors  if they would come and work  on a specific day.

They assured him they would.

Too many times they did not  because instead they literally went fishing.

Based on father's experience and other unhappy tales of contractors' failure to perform I KNOW I could never deal with them.


 If I wanted a custom home I'd let my architect supervise construction from start to finish.



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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2020, 05:56:49 PM »
We (mostly" we " means my husband and father, but I did my share of hammer swinging) did all the work ourselves with the exception of the concrete pour and, at the end when we got impatient, the drywall.


It is very nice living in a place designed just for us. My husband did the engineering and design.