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Ranking the States
« on: March 01, 2018, 12:00:34 PM »
The U.S. News magazine has ranked the "best states." https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings. Do you agree with the ranking?

It wouldn't be my ranking, but it's not absurd either. I have a humorous observation about the top 10 states, specifically about the thing they all have in common, but I'll refrain from airing that for now.

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Re: Ranking the States
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2018, 12:13:47 PM »
Thank goodness for Louisiana?

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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2018, 12:14:45 PM »
IMO, health care doesn't have enough substantial differences to bother including in a ranking. Additionally, "quality of life" is too subjective to even consider it in anything purporting to be methodical. Opportunity is similarly very subjective, and thus not a great measure. As such, only 5 of the 8 ranking criteria seem to have reasonably objective "ranking" methods, meaning the rankings are pretty well meaningless.  That's especially true when you look at the descriptions of the categories and realize "sure, crime is lower in a state with a total population lower than many cities" and other similar ridiculous comparisons. By the measures shown, the North Pole is probably one of the best places to live on the planet.. which I would mention isn't the conclusion the overwhelming majority of the planet would likely come to.

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Re: Ranking the States
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2018, 12:19:25 PM »
I have a humorous observation about the top 10 states, specifically about the thing they all have in common, but I'll refrain from airing that for now.
I thought it was going to be that they all contained the letter 'a' but Vermont had to ruin that theory!

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Re: Ranking the States
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2018, 12:20:43 PM »
Is there any ranking where most of the southern states aren't at the bottom?

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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2018, 12:26:13 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2018, 12:27:45 PM »
California in last place for Quality of Life?  Don't tell that to all the folks @ the beach over the last 2 months!!

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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2018, 12:29:37 PM »
North Dakota has the best Quality of Life ranking?  North Dakota?!?  You can tell by the soaring population!  They have almost a million people that know this secret.  A million!!  hahahaha

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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2018, 12:36:11 PM »
I think this is mostly silly.

I am from MD (#13) and my wife is from PA (#38).  They seem pretty comparable to me.  I guess PA has more poor small towns but then parts of Baltimore are legitimately a total mess. 
 
I am not sure life for someone in, say, Towson, MD (prosperous Baltimore suburb), is really 25 states better than life for someone in King of Prussia, PA (prosperous Philadelphia suburb).  More like a wash.  I'd personally prefer PA for lower taxes.

I suppose it's not that controversial to say that Utah's citizens are on average healthier and happier than those in Mississippi.  But I am not sure any of us needed a study from McKinsey to figure that out.
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Re: Ranking the States
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2018, 12:36:29 PM »
The U.S. News magazine has ranked the "best states." https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings. Do you agree with the ranking?

It wouldn't be my ranking, but it's not absurd either. I have a humorous observation about the top 10 states, specifically about the thing they all have in common, but I'll refrain from airing that for now.

Are you thinking lack of racial diversity?

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Re: Ranking the States
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2018, 12:39:44 PM »
I grew up in the #1 state, in an area very close to the #2 state, and I currently live in another top 10 state.

No, I do not agree with these rankings.

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Re: Ranking the States
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2018, 12:47:41 PM »
Is there any ranking where most of the southern states aren't at the bottom?

https://stateofobesity.org/adult-obesity/

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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2018, 12:50:33 PM »
California in last place for Quality of Life?  Don't tell that to all the folks @ the beach over the last 2 months!!

I wondered about that too, but this section includes air quality and pollution.

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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2018, 12:51:57 PM »
These rankings are stupid.

First of all, many of the metrics can be totally subjective. Quality of life is probably more dependent on area within a state than the state itself. Secondly, it's not like the metrics are restricted by state lines. Have a really rare cancer but Montana lacks specialists for this particular strain? Take a plane and go to Mayo, NY Presbyterian, or JH. Otherwise there is simply too much variation. Economy? Fine, but if you're a petroleum engineer, TX is probably much better than CA. Infrastructure? What a silly metric; all states have roads and they are always in a state of flux: being repaired, destroyed, etc.

The most important thing is that a state can be good or bad depending on how you live in it. A lot of that is based on how much you make but a lot of it is based on your own choices.

A critical look at any of these garbage publications quickly reveals the futility and waste of time in even considering what is written. What a rag.

Edit: Part of me thinks that these rankings are purposefully poorly done and artificially imbued with controversy so they can spread virally throughout the internet. Also articles about how drinking is good for you. Beverage lobby much?
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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2018, 12:52:52 PM »
Is there any ranking where most of the southern states aren't at the bottom?

States closest to Mexico?
Humidity index?


I like where I live, but I don't think I'd ever rank Iowa as the best state.  Nor do I know what world we could possibly #1 in infrastructure. Our bridges are all nearly falling down.

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Re: Ranking the States
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2018, 01:17:57 PM »
California in last place for Quality of Life?  Don't tell that to all the folks @ the beach over the last 2 months!!
That got a laugh from me. That is probably the top reason why I don’t want to move out of CA, because the quality of life is so great and almost impossible to reproduce elsewhere. Then again, that is MY definition of quality of life, which gets back to the subjectiveness of that measure, as others have already commented on.

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Re: Ranking the States
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2018, 01:19:17 PM »
Is there any ranking where most of the southern states aren't at the bottom?

State's you're most unlikely to get frostbite in? Most religious states? Most biomass electricity generation? Best states for good BBQ? Highest levels of cardiovascular disease? Highest incarceration rates? Highest rates of sunburn?

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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2018, 01:20:29 PM »
California in last place for Quality of Life?  Don't tell that to all the folks @ the beach over the last 2 months!!

That was due to all the smog they had to cough through to get to the beach during their 4 hour, 5 mile commute.... ;)

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Re: Ranking the States
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2018, 01:24:21 PM »
I like where I live, but I don't think I'd ever rank Iowa as the best state.  Nor do I know what world we could possibly #1 in infrastructure. Our bridges are all nearly falling down.

I chuckled at that too. I was visiting family when the report on Iowa's terrible bridges came out and it was all over the news. Though they do break it down into

- Transportation: 37th, and it includes the 49th ranking on bridges
- Energy: 5th, led by renewable energy usage (the area I grew up is a huge wind farm now)
- Internet access: 1st

I laughed hardest at the internet ranking. My experience both with living several places across the state and with communicating with friends and family still spread across the state is significantly more expensive internet for slow, unreliable connections. But hey, at least there's access, right?

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Re: Ranking the States
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« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2018, 03:12:04 PM »
Obviously I noticed that too.  The list you link to is inverse to the list in the OP.  So what does that mean?  There is more than a little "chicken and egg" going on here.  My takeaway is not that places with a high minority population are "bad" places to live, but rather that the systemic obstacles that many African Americans face makes it more difficult for them to get ahead; ergo, the regions of the country with higher African American population face more poverty, less opportunity, lower ranking in health and education, etc.

Your opinions may differ.

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Re: Ranking the States
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2018, 03:31:00 PM »
Obviously extremely subjective. My state is pretty far down there and I would actually tend to agree with that. Looking forward to getting out of here in a few years. Also purely anecdotal but I spent quite a bit of time in Iowa and wasn't impressed. Also spent some time in Minnesota and was very impressed. 20 degrees and the local trail was full of bikers, runners etc. Beautiful scenery and I din't even leave the big city.

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« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2018, 04:48:22 PM »
Ah, the 'Merican obsession with the "best." There is no "best" in absolute terms, only what fits your personal preferences. But that's not something you can easily jam into a database and algorithmically spit out a list. Drill into each category and you'll see how meaningless the data is. Quality Of Life is really about quality of drinking water, voter participation, etc. These are somewhat important, but there's just not that much variation across the US. For the most part about 40-60% of voter participate, and our water is generally safe to drink. How many people really care how many violations per 100k, or if the difference is 4/100k vs. 6/100k?

The ranking is meaningless because at the core it compares small differences with little appreciable difference in practice. It's scaled up Tiny Details Exaggeration Syndrome. For example: The deep south that the blue states love to pick on. Yes, the climate sucks (esp. summer), and they have their problems, and would not be my first choice location. But people adapt. Contentment and happiness have more to do with your attitude than the environment.

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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2018, 08:10:01 PM »
I think a lot of this is subjective.  But, there is one takeaway that I think is legitimate:

The arrogance on both coasts is completely delusional. 

Some of the "fly over states" are pretty great, especially for a mustachian. The way people miss this has been reflected in a couple comments here.  The midwest generally isn't a great place to visit, but it's a great place to live.  Your vacation may be boring, but your life may be incredible.

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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2018, 08:51:31 PM »
I think a lot of this is subjective.  But, there is one takeaway that I think is legitimate:

The arrogance on both coasts is completely delusional. 

Some of the "fly over states" are pretty great, especially for a mustachian. The way people miss this has been reflected in a couple comments here.  The midwest generally isn't a great place to visit, but it's a great place to live.  Your vacation may be boring, but your life may be incredible.

+1. A LCOL, as long as you don't give up too much income, means you have more in the budget to spend on travel and hobbies. I know many Californians who are struggling to make ends meet, working their asses off but never getting ahead. Because they've decided it's the "best" place in the world and can't possible live anywhere else. But they're working so hard that they can't even enjoy it.

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Ranking the States
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2018, 09:09:15 PM »
I expect you make some good points there, but again, it gets back to personal preferences and values. I value being in a place where my bi-racial, multi-lingual kid is normal and can grow up in an environment where others speak her languages, and she isn’t going to be made to feel “other”. That is a quality of life factor that I’ll pay good money for, but probably isn’t in the top 100 list of things to consider for many other people. Other people may care about access to fishing holes or good BBQ or hunting grounds or being in a climate to grow pineapples or something else that would never matter to me. Thankfully it is a big world and there is a little something for all of us.

I agree that these kinds of lists are a little silly.

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« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2018, 09:12:25 PM »
The states I am most likely to relocate to are in the top 26.   I don't particularly like Iowa, but I would probably prefer it over the others in the top 10.  I'm from 50/50 from a financial perspective.

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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2018, 09:16:40 PM »
I think a lot of this is subjective.  But, there is one takeaway that I think is legitimate:

The arrogance on both coasts is completely delusional. 

Some of the "fly over states" are pretty great, especially for a mustachian. The way people miss this has been reflected in a couple comments here.  The midwest generally isn't a great place to visit, but it's a great place to live.  Your vacation may be boring, but your life may be incredible.

+1. A LCOL, as long as you don't give up too much income, means you have more in the budget to spend on travel and hobbies. I know many Californians who are struggling to make ends meet, working their asses off but never getting ahead. Because they've decided it's the "best" place in the world and can't possible live anywhere else. But they're working so hard that they can't even enjoy it.

Doesn’t that prove that it is “better” for them? They’re willing to work harder and sacrifice cost of living to be there. So there must be something justifying it, right?

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« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2018, 09:27:17 PM »
Either that or they just haven’t been somewhere else to know and make that choice consciously. Probably most of us are guilty of that on some level. I mean, how feasible is it to go out and try living in a bunch of different places before settling on the one that is objectively the best for you?

A bit perhaps like those Americans who claim the US is the best country in the world, and they know “because I have lived here all of my life”.

Now you may be on to something if you want to claim that a place is “proven” to be better by the fact that many people went to move there if given the choice. Again though, it is all individual preferences. Lots of people seem to think Florida is so great because they move there for retirement. I happen to think the weather is dreadful, but maybe if I spent a lifetime shoveling snow in the winter I would have a different perspective.

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Re: Ranking the States
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2018, 06:04:40 AM »
I have a humorous observation about the top 10 states, specifically about the thing they all have in common, but I'll refrain from airing that for now.

Most of the top 10 states have legalized or decriminalized marijuana, but apparently not all of them, so that blows my best guess out of the water.

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« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2018, 06:09:11 AM »
Ah, the 'Merican obsession with the "best." There is no "best" in absolute terms, only what fits your personal preferences. But that's not something you can easily jam into a database and algorithmically spit out a list. Drill into each category and you'll see how meaningless the data is. Quality Of Life is really about quality of drinking water, voter participation, etc. These are somewhat important, but there's just not that much variation across the US. For the most part about 40-60% of voter participate, and our water is generally safe to drink. How many people really care how many violations per 100k, or if the difference is 4/100k vs. 6/100k?

The ranking is meaningless because at the core it compares small differences with little appreciable difference in practice. It's scaled up Tiny Details Exaggeration Syndrome. For example: The deep south that the blue states love to pick on. Yes, the climate sucks (esp. summer), and they have their problems, and would not be my first choice location. But people adapt. Contentment and happiness have more to do with your attitude than the environment.

That's exactly right.  And I disagree about the climate sucking in the deep south.  I love the hot humid weather.  It's winter I hate.

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« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2018, 06:35:41 AM »
I like where I live, but I don't think I'd ever rank Iowa as the best state.  Nor do I know what world we could possibly #1 in infrastructure. Our bridges are all nearly falling down.

I chuckled at that too. I was visiting family when the report on Iowa's terrible bridges came out and it was all over the news. Though they do break it down into

- Transportation: 37th, and it includes the 49th ranking on bridges
- Energy: 5th, led by renewable energy usage (the area I grew up is a huge wind farm now)
- Internet access: 1st

I laughed hardest at the internet ranking. My experience both with living several places across the state and with communicating with friends and family still spread across the state is significantly more expensive internet for slow, unreliable connections. But hey, at least there's access, right?

Or put another way, that terrible is the best and the rest of us are all screwed. It has been a couple generations since we've had any major investments in infrastructure beyond bare bones maintenance up my way... :/

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« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2018, 10:36:43 AM »
How is New Hampshire #1 in opportunity?  Opportunity for what?  I love New Hampshire so maybe someone from there can enlighten me.  I didn't think there were a ton of job opportunities when compared to other parts of New England.

Edit:  I actually just read the article and opportunity relates to opportunity for women and minorities as well as people with disabilities. 
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« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2018, 11:13:49 AM »
I think a lot of this is subjective.  But, there is one takeaway that I think is legitimate:

The arrogance on both coasts is completely delusional. 

Some of the "fly over states" are pretty great, especially for a mustachian. The way people miss this has been reflected in a couple comments here.  The midwest generally isn't a great place to visit, but it's a great place to live.  Your vacation may be boring, but your life may be incredible.

But, it's hot and humid in the summer and cold and snowy in the winter!!

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« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2018, 11:15:17 AM »
Is there any ranking where most of the southern states aren't at the bottom?

Great weather, least snow, close to beaches?

I don't think your quality of life is especially dependent on your state, TBH.

California has the highest poverty rate in the US, for instance.

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« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2018, 11:39:11 AM »
All these places are dependent on how much money a person has. If you are poor you can live in the best states and have a miserable life.

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« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2018, 11:54:23 AM »
I do think a top spot is warranted for Utah. My quality of life is far higher here than anywhere else I have lived despite some of the pretty wacky politics. The reality is though, satisfaction with life is largely an internal affair and not generally location dependent.

All these places are dependent on how much money a person has. If you are poor you can live in the best states and have a miserable life.

The other piece of this is largely financial. CA and NY are seeing an exodus of sorts and a person retreating to a better financial life in PA for example may actually perceive themselves to be worse off, than a person comfortably settled in Manhattan overlooking Central Park.
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« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2018, 08:00:44 PM »
Good, maybe everyone will move to Iowa and stop moving to WA. :D

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« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2018, 09:07:55 PM »
I think I see the problem. They ranked quality of life in reverse by mistake. Sort it by quality of life and you'll see what I mean.

1. North Dakota. 
2. Minnesota.
3. Wisconsin.
4. New Hampshire.
5. South Dakota.
6. Mississippi.

6 states known for terrible weather. Would you rather suffer all winter or suffer all summer?

50. California.

I rest my case.

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« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2018, 06:55:24 AM »
I do think a top spot is warranted for Utah. My quality of life is far higher here than anywhere else I have lived despite some of the pretty wacky politics.
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« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2018, 07:19:25 AM »
North Dakota has the best Quality of Life ranking?  North Dakota?!?  You can tell by the soaring population!  They have almost a million people that know this secret.  A million!!  hahahaha
Perhaps less people plays into quality of life. I don't entirely disagree with that.

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« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2018, 10:58:35 AM »
Is there any ranking where most of the southern states aren't at the bottom?


Most elite college and professional sprinters.
Most NFL players per capita.
Most college football national championships.
Most college track & field championships.
Highest obesity (as someone already mentioned).
Probably pretty high on the diabetic list as well.
Probaby pretty high on the illiteracy list.
Here in TN we have the river that's the most biologically diverse in North America.

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« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2018, 12:31:24 PM »
California in last place for Quality of Life?  Don't tell that to all the folks @ the beach over the last 2 months!!
You left out the part where they live there because they can't afford a house.

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« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2018, 02:24:51 PM »
Eh, houses are over-rated when the weather is this good. ;-)

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« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2018, 02:31:34 PM »
Yep.  We suck in Louisiana.   Moving to Florida in a few years.

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« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2018, 02:41:50 PM »
Here in TN we have the river that's the most biologically diverse in North America.
TN is on my short list.  I hadn't even considered that factor.
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« Reply #46 on: March 03, 2018, 05:52:02 PM »
I've lived in Louisiana for the past 15 years and love it. Sure, it's hot and humid (like living in an armpit) for 4 months out of the year, but the other 8 months are perfect. Much better weather than when I lived in Florida. The cost of living is low and it has a culture all it's own. Louisiana has a laid-back way of life that I haven't found in any other state so if you don't like being bothered with lots of government interference in your life or day-to-day competition, it's great. As many others said, it's very subjective.

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« Reply #47 on: March 04, 2018, 05:29:40 AM »
I've lived in Louisiana for the past 15 years and love it. Sure, it's hot and humid (like living in an armpit) for 4 months out of the year, but the other 8 months are perfect. Much better weather than when I lived in Florida. The cost of living is low and it has a culture all it's own. Louisiana has a laid-back way of life that I haven't found in any other state so if you don't like being bothered with lots of government interference in your life or day-to-day competition, it's great. As many others said, it's very subjective.

Louisiana's food makes up for pretty much everything else, IMO!

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« Reply #48 on: March 04, 2018, 07:42:49 AM »
Is there any ranking where most of the southern states aren't at the bottom?

Southern hospitality.

It is a thing. I never realized it until I traveled to other parts of the country. Most of the people in the south are nice and courteous to strangers until given a reason not to be. Anywhere else I've traveled people treat strangers like they aren't even there, or treat them with disdain.

When it comes to restaurant wait staff this is even more obvious.

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« Reply #49 on: March 04, 2018, 09:53:53 AM »
I've lived in Louisiana for the past 15 years and love it. Sure, it's hot and humid (like living in an armpit) for 4 months out of the year, but the other 8 months are perfect. Much better weather than when I lived in Florida. The cost of living is low and it has a culture all it's own. Louisiana has a laid-back way of life that I haven't found in any other state so if you don't like being bothered with lots of government interference in your life or day-to-day competition, it's great. As many others said, it's very subjective.

Louisiana's food makes up for pretty much everything else, IMO!

This sounds fantastic.  I dream of leaving the tri-state area (NY, NJ, CT) daily.  I love heat and humidity and hate hustle and bustle.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!