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Prospective new job offers an IRA but no 401k?
« on: December 12, 2015, 10:59:30 AM »
As many of you know, I was inexplicably laid off 2 weeks ago.  I have had several interviews in that time and have a couple of promising leads.

One of them told me they offer an IRA but no 401k.  I've never heard of this.

Is this what any of your companies offer?  What is it?  I already put $5,500 in an IRA each year in my own after tax account.

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Re: Prospective new job offers an IRA but no 401k?
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2015, 11:48:16 AM »
Sounds odd.  Are they giving you money so you can put it in your IRA?

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Re: Prospective new job offers an IRA but no 401k?
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2015, 12:00:15 PM »
Are you sure they're not talking about a SEP or SIMPLE IRA?

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Re: Prospective new job offers an IRA but no 401k?
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2015, 12:50:22 PM »
Are you sure they're not talking about a SEP or SIMPLE IRA?

it seemed odd to me too.  Not sure.  I'm meeting with them again monday morning and will try to get more details.

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Re: Prospective new job offers an IRA but no 401k?
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2015, 12:20:06 PM »
I'll bet it is a Simple IRA.   No one needs their employer to offer a plain old IRA.

A Simple IRA has a lower contribution limit than a 401k (12.5k for 2015 and 2016), but contributions do not count towards your own IRA limit of 5.5k.

If the Simple IRA has been established someplace like Edward Jones with a commissioned advisor, be aware that if your company is willing, they can establish a plan with more than one custodian simultaneously, and the new plan does not impact the old one at all.  They could establish a plan someplace like say Vanguard at no cost whatsoever, either set up or ongoing.  Employees who so desire could participate in the new plan, and employees who don't can stay where they are.   On the employee end, the only costs are $10 per year per fund until total Vanguard assets reach 50k, and the fact that Admiral shares are not available in Simple IRAs.

It is very easy to establish a second plan.  Ask me how I know. :)   And surprisingly, I am the sole employee at my workplace who prefers to not pay a load on every dollar I contribute to my Simple IRA.

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Re: Prospective new job offers an IRA but no 401k?
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2015, 03:55:31 PM »
I'll bet it is a Simple IRA.   No one needs their employer to offer a plain old IRA.

A Simple IRA has a lower contribution limit than a 401k (12.5k for 2015 and 2016), but contributions do not count towards your own IRA limit of 5.5k.



Do 401k contributions count toward the individual IRA limit? I have a SIMPLE and have wondered why the limit isn't 18k?

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Re: Prospective new job offers an IRA but no 401k?
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2015, 04:01:51 PM »
I'll bet it is a Simple IRA.   No one needs their employer to offer a plain old IRA.

A Simple IRA has a lower contribution limit than a 401k (12.5k for 2015 and 2016), but contributions do not count towards your own IRA limit of 5.5k.



Do 401k contributions count toward the individual IRA limit? I have a SIMPLE and have wondered why the limit isn't 18k?
https://www.irs.gov/Retirement-Plans/Plan-Participant,-Employee/Retirement-Topics-SIMPLE-IRA-Contribution-Limits

They do not. However, the total contribution of all your plans cannot exceed $18,000. How you allocate it between your 401(k) and the SIMPLE IRA is up to you, provided that the SIMPLE contribution remains below $12,500.

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Re: Prospective new job offers an IRA but no 401k?
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2015, 04:10:56 PM »
I'll bet it is a Simple IRA.   No one needs their employer to offer a plain old IRA.

A Simple IRA has a lower contribution limit than a 401k (12.5k for 2015 and 2016), but contributions do not count towards your own IRA limit of 5.5k.



Do 401k contributions count toward the individual IRA limit? I have a SIMPLE and have wondered why the limit isn't 18k?
https://www.irs.gov/Retirement-Plans/Plan-Participant,-Employee/Retirement-Topics-SIMPLE-IRA-Contribution-Limits

They do not. However, the total contribution of all your plans cannot exceed $18,000. How you allocate it between your 401(k) and the SIMPLE IRA is up to you, provided that the SIMPLE contribution remains below $12,500.

As for why the SIMPLE IRA limit is not 18k, the (unsatisfying) answer is Congress said so.

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Re: Prospective new job offers an IRA but no 401k?
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2015, 11:01:06 AM »
I'll bet it is a Simple IRA.   No one needs their employer to offer a plain old IRA.

A Simple IRA has a lower contribution limit than a 401k (12.5k for 2015 and 2016), but contributions do not count towards your own IRA limit of 5.5k.


Do 401k contributions count toward the individual IRA limit? I have a SIMPLE and have wondered why the limit isn't 18k?

No.  You can max both a 401k and your own IRA. 

I see how my phrasing implied you can max your own IRA if you have a Simple but not if you have a 401k.  That was unintentional.

 

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