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« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2024, 12:02:27 PM »
1. Hope
2. Honesty
3. Love
4. Social Intelligence
5. Curiosity

Bottom = Appreciation of Beauty & Excellence, Creativity, Teamwork, and Spirituality.

PERMA = 8.33
Happiness 3.38

I'm curious about some of the Happiness score questions and how their bias affects my results. For instance, I don't believe I have a purpose (vs. haven't found it yet), nor do I think it important that I do "important" things each day.

It all depends what lens through which you see things as "purposeful" or "important."

If I have a day where what's best for my overall well being and happiness is to binge watch TV and play fetch with my dog, that is, in fact, very important to do.

My purpose is to live my best life. That's VERY important to me.

So yes, I find virtually all of my days filled with purpose and extremely important things to do.

Today, I very much need to rest and recover from an insane week, and it's VERY important that I feel no pressure to accomplish anything today.

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« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2024, 12:54:10 PM »
I don’t think a self-inventory is the best way to figure out my strengths because I tend to choose most things in the middle range, and can’t commit to things being very unlike me and very like me. But these aren’t far off.

Top strengths: Love of Learning, Fairness, Judgment, Creativity, Humor

PERMA: 6.63    Happiness: 3.63

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« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2024, 12:58:40 PM »
This is a good time for me to be taking this class because I definitely have the blahs, and my scores reflect this:

PERMA 5.25
Happiness 2.33

I think that I normally feel quite a bit better than this. It's an accurate snapshot of this moment but I know that most of the time I am bouncing down the sidewalk behind my frisky dog glowing with happiness while pondering all I've been able to accomplish and what a nice life I've made for us. Lol. Seriously. Anyway I'm glad to be along on this adventure and am looking forward to seeing my scores go up!

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« Reply #53 on: January 13, 2024, 01:29:03 PM »
1. Hope
2. Honesty
3. Love
4. Social Intelligence
5. Curiosity

Bottom = Appreciation of Beauty & Excellence, Creativity, Teamwork, and Spirituality.

PERMA = 8.33
Happiness 3.38

I'm curious about some of the Happiness score questions and how their bias affects my results. For instance, I don't believe I have a purpose (vs. haven't found it yet), nor do I think it important that I do "important" things each day.

It all depends what lens through which you see things as "purposeful" or "important."

If I have a day where what's best for my overall well being and happiness is to binge watch TV and play fetch with my dog, that is, in fact, very important to do.

My purpose is to live my best life. That's VERY important to me.

So yes, I find virtually all of my days filled with purpose and extremely important things to do.

Today, I very much need to rest and recover from an insane week, and it's VERY important that I feel no pressure to accomplish anything today.
Thanks for that perspective. I share your thoughts that what I do and feel is very important to me and I live my life with the purpose of optimizing that, but I assumed a lens with the test that happiness is found in finding a purpose in service of others or bettering the world. Bit of a trigger from discussions in real life about RE, I think.

Interesting that you would make that assumption about the test itself.

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« Reply #54 on: January 13, 2024, 01:31:47 PM »
I am in as well. I took the assessments today. The PERMA one was easier for me to take than the other happiness one... I have a very hard time answering questions like "If you were keeping score, would your life come out ahead or behind?" Score of what? So not how I think about things.

I asked my partner take the assessments too, and two of my top strengths were among his lowest. Opposites attract?

My strengths: social intelligence, perspective, honesty, gratitude, and hope.

I've been told before that "social intelligence" is untrustworthy! IE knowing how to say the right thing to someone else, and saying things that make other people feel good. I see the point where it could be used for manipulation, but that's not what I'm going for.

Excited about taking this class.



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« Reply #55 on: January 13, 2024, 01:55:25 PM »
I am in as well. I took the assessments today. The PERMA one was easier for me to take than the other happiness one... I have a very hard time answering questions like "If you were keeping score, would your life come out ahead or behind?" Score of what? So not how I think about things.

I asked my partner take the assessments too, and two of my top strengths were among his lowest. Opposites attract?

My strengths: social intelligence, perspective, honesty, gratitude, and hope.

I've been told before that "social intelligence" is untrustworthy! IE knowing how to say the right thing to someone else, and saying things that make other people feel good. I see the point where it could be used for manipulation, but that's not what I'm going for.

Excited about taking this class.

Yeah, I bristled at that phrasing too, but a lot of those questions were worded to detect inauthentic or pathological answers. That question could have been designed to catch narcissism or grandiosity or something of the sort.

Although, as a healthcare professional, I find it pretty easy to assess who is doing well, who isn't, and where I stack up against the herd.

There are a lot of fucked up, unhealthy, miserable folks out there just struggle to get through each day. A LOT.

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« Reply #56 on: January 13, 2024, 05:09:54 PM »
Top traits: Judgement, Prudence, Perspective, Kindness, Love. (Two wisdoms, two humanities and a temperance)
Bottom: Curiosity, Forgiveness, Zest, Spirituality.

I'm surprised with curiosity showing up at the bottom, and maybe more so about kindness and love showing up at the top. Does not fit with my perspective on myself. In any case, it is going to require some thinking about how to handle the first week's homework of putting those five things to use.

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« Reply #57 on: January 13, 2024, 08:53:59 PM »
The strengths test was interesting. My top strength is "love," and the explanation is "Valuing close relations with others, in particular those in which sharing & caring are reciprocated; being close to people." But I recall all of the questions on this strength being about your ability to express love. Am I wrong? I definitely am very able to express love, abundantly and often, but I wouldn't say my top trait is valuing close relations with others. I actually feel like a perpetual loner. But thinking about it further, one of my best friends once described me by saying that the main thing to know about me is that "when [CannotWAIT] loves, she loves with her whole heart" and I've always thought that was the nicest compliment I've ever had. So maybe I have a wrong impression of myself. I don't know, it's confusing.

Anyway, the other top four are:
2. Appreciation of Beauty & Excellence: Yes, for sure, I am a born aesthete.
3. Judgment: Interesting how many of us here have this and prudence in our top 5! I don't really identify with this though. Not sure what to make of it.
4. Curiosity: I would have thought this would be my #1 trait. I definitely feel like curiosity has been the defining feature of my life. I like this about myself and don't see a downside.
5. Prudence : "Being careful about one's choices; not taking undue risks; not saying or doing things that might later be regretted." Omg this is so true, especially when you think about it in terms of "strength," because I have really built up the muscle that keeps my mouth shut. For example, my ex-husband's behavior at the end of our marriage and through our divorce was absolutely shocking, but it was important to me to be able to look back on my own behavior with pride and I never said a single unkind word throughout all of it. It was not easy! A word that has surprisingly often been used to describe me is "gracious," which makes me sound like a genteel Southern lady, which I am emphatically not, but I guess maybe it's what this test is picking up. I think the flip side of prudence is that I overthink fucking everything and have let a lot of my life slip by while I was being careful about my choices and not taking undue risks. I think prudence is a major issue in my life, for better and for worse.




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« Reply #58 on: January 13, 2024, 09:06:03 PM »
I'm enjoying reading everyone's reflections on the tests and how they resonate..or don't.  Haven't done a quiz like this for a long while.

My top ones were
1) Appreciation of Beauty & Excellence
2) Creativity
3) Love of Learning
4) Gratitude
5) Curiosity

I love nature and am artistic so these made sense to me..

It was fitting that Self-regulation & Perseverance were among my bottom traits, I do feel lacking in those skills and try to work on boosting them.  I feel like perseverance is an important one..I can start a million projects and many get abandoned part-way into the process. It's not something I'm proud of!

 

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« Reply #59 on: January 13, 2024, 11:29:15 PM »
I'm enjoying reading everyone's reflections on the tests and how they resonate..or don't.  Haven't done a quiz like this for a long while.

My top ones were
1) Appreciation of Beauty & Excellence
2) Creativity
3) Love of Learning
4) Gratitude
5) Curiosity

I love nature and am artistic so these made sense to me..

It was fitting that Self-regulation & Perseverance were among my bottom traits, I do feel lacking in those skills and try to work on boosting them.  I feel like perseverance is an important one..I can start a million projects and many get abandoned part-way into the process. It's not something I'm proud of!

Yes, perseverance was my absolute bottom one and it's true and has been since childhood. And unfortunately it's one I do care about (as opposed to, say, my next-to-bottom one, spirituality). It makes me feel bad about myself. I think it's actually the flip side of curiosity though and I like that about myself, so it's a paradox. If I weren't so interested what's around the next corner it would be easier to stay here and finish this one thing I'm supposed to be working on!

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« Reply #60 on: January 14, 2024, 05:49:19 AM »
The strengths test was interesting. My top strength is "love," and the explanation is "Valuing close relations with others, in particular those in which sharing & caring are reciprocated; being close to people." But I recall all of the questions on this strength being about your ability to express love. Am I wrong? I definitely am very able to express love, abundantly and often, but I wouldn't say my top trait is valuing close relations with others. I actually feel like a perpetual loner. But thinking about it further, one of my best friends once described me by saying that the main thing to know about me is that "when [CannotWAIT] loves, she loves with her whole heart" and I've always thought that was the nicest compliment I've ever had. So maybe I have a wrong impression of myself. I don't know, it's confusing.

This comes back to met and unmet needs. Perhaps your need to love and be loved is well met and therefore not particularly motivating. You may be comfortable being a loner a lot of the time because you're very effective at meeting this very important need.

Perhaps you don't need a ton of connections because you are profoundly invested in the ones you have. Remember, there are A LOT of folks out there who don't have truly healthy, deep intimacy with anyone, not even their spouses.

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« Reply #61 on: January 14, 2024, 05:55:06 AM »
I'm enjoying reading everyone's reflections on the tests and how they resonate..or don't.  Haven't done a quiz like this for a long while.

My top ones were
1) Appreciation of Beauty & Excellence
2) Creativity
3) Love of Learning
4) Gratitude
5) Curiosity

I love nature and am artistic so these made sense to me..

It was fitting that Self-regulation & Perseverance were among my bottom traits, I do feel lacking in those skills and try to work on boosting them.  I feel like perseverance is an important one..I can start a million projects and many get abandoned part-way into the process. It's not something I'm proud of!

Yes, perseverance was my absolute bottom one and it's true and has been since childhood. And unfortunately it's one I do care about (as opposed to, say, my next-to-bottom one, spirituality). It makes me feel bad about myself. I think it's actually the flip side of curiosity though and I like that about myself, so it's a paradox. If I weren't so interested what's around the next corner it would be easier to stay here and finish this one thing I'm supposed to be working on!

I find this interesting that you perceive curiosity as the opposite of perseverance. I don't experience these things as opposed at all. I have very intense curiosity and for me it drives a lot of my focus because I want to know more.

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« Reply #62 on: January 14, 2024, 06:42:01 AM »
Yeah, I bristled at that phrasing too, but a lot of those questions were worded to detect inauthentic or pathological answers. That question could have been designed to catch narcissism or grandiosity or something of the sort.
Just took the 2 happiness tests. I was under the impression the wording was intentionally vague. As in "Your happiness is decided on what you measure for yourself, so we will ask you to bring your own measuring cup".

Anyway, my Authentic Happiness Test score was 2,42 and I can clearly see why. I mostly choose the "neutral" position, which was the 2/5.
I think there is both a cultural and personal difference between the gruntling German and the happy, smily American at work here.
For me neutral is the middle, and also the thing happiness tend to adjust itself to - key word is hedonic adaption.

The traits test is left, I wanted to do that after my Sunday walk, but just now a super dark cloud is incoming so maybe I move the walk back half an hour lol.

edit: Back from walk etc.

5 top strength:

Judgement
Love of Learning
Forgiveness
Fairness
Prudence

"Lesser Strength": Social Intelligence, Zest, Leadership, Spirituality.

 Well, yes, I am about as spriritual as a stone. And I am not talking about "energy stones".
I guess my results are what you can expect from a shy, brainy, introvert nerd?
« Last Edit: January 14, 2024, 08:24:58 AM by LennStar »

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« Reply #63 on: January 14, 2024, 09:42:23 AM »
Hi
I have signed up and completed the first section my strengths are
Fairness
Appreciation of beauty and excellence
Prudence
Kindness
Love of learning

I would never have considered myself prudent, although I am not impulsive.

It is interesting to read all your strengths and look forward to completing the course


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« Reply #64 on: January 14, 2024, 11:19:10 AM »
Joining in! This converges well with my nascent FIRE  transition and according life reshuffle.

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« Reply #65 on: January 14, 2024, 11:42:31 AM »
I think it's really amusing that so many of us had Spirituality as our lowest Strength. It was no surprise that it was my lowest, but I also had Appreciation of Beauty in my top 10. Beauty in nature is my definition of spirituality.

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« Reply #66 on: January 14, 2024, 02:55:44 PM »
I think it's really amusing that so many of us had Spirituality as our lowest Strength. It was no surprise that it was my lowest, but I also had Appreciation of Beauty in my top 10. Beauty in nature is my definition of spirituality.

I scored pretty high on spirituality, specifically because I consider my love of nature spiritual

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« Reply #67 on: January 15, 2024, 05:28:06 AM »
What a great idea! I just enrolled in the class and did the first week - doing this alongside people will hopefully compel me to actually keep up with it.

I feel like my happiness level goes through weird cycles, and I don’t *feel* nearly as subjectively happy as my numbers seem to objectively indicate (as much as this kind of rating system could be objective…).

My top strengths are:
Love
Love of learning
Humor
Perspective
Curiosity

That sounds reasonably like me. Like many of you, spirituality was ranked dead last for me - makes total sense for this atheist pragmatist. For the past two days I’ve been trying to notice when I actually use these strengths. I feel like I use them basically constantly? I guess the important thing is to actively realize it? I don’t know - I don’t super get the first week’s assignment, but we have been getting a good laugh out of me pointing out in a stentorian tone, “I’m making a joke, as my homework says I should.”

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« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2024, 05:51:08 AM »
I laughed. And learned a new word.

Now I just need to learn a joke so I can tell it and say the same.

That aside, I think the problem with spirituality in the questionaire is that they always asked for your faith. "my faith makes what I am".
That is of course BS for an Atheist, especially when thinking about the white bearded imaginary friend in the clouds.
However spirituality (in the psychological sense) is different than that. For example you can feel "unity with the world around you" without any religion. The main problem is that everyone defines spirituality different though.

As a German I of course need to cite Goethe's Faust here:

„Kein persönlicher Gott mehr, keine Konfession, keine Glaubensgemeinschaft, keine Kirche, keine damit verbundene sittliche Weltordnung – aber das Gefühl einer Allheit und Allverbundenheit, emotionale Übereinstimmung mit dem Weltganzen, das Absolute als Chiffre für die Liebe.“

"No more personal God, no denomination, no community of faith, no church, no associated moral world order - but the feeling of allness and all-connectedness, emotional agreement with the world as a whole, the absolute as a cipher for love."


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« Reply #69 on: January 15, 2024, 06:55:11 AM »
I laughed. And learned a new word.

Now I just need to learn a joke so I can tell it and say the same.

That aside, I think the problem with spirituality in the questionaire is that they always asked for your faith. "my faith makes what I am".
That is of course BS for an Atheist, especially when thinking about the white bearded imaginary friend in the clouds.
However spirituality (in the psychological sense) is different than that. For example you can feel "unity with the world around you" without any religion. The main problem is that everyone defines spirituality different though.

As a German I of course need to cite Goethe's Faust here:

„Kein persönlicher Gott mehr, keine Konfession, keine Glaubensgemeinschaft, keine Kirche, keine damit verbundene sittliche Weltordnung – aber das Gefühl einer Allheit und Allverbundenheit, emotionale Übereinstimmung mit dem Weltganzen, das Absolute als Chiffre für die Liebe.“

"No more personal God, no denomination, no community of faith, no church, no associated moral world order - but the feeling of allness and all-connectedness, emotional agreement with the world as a whole, the absolute as a cipher for love."

I totally agree. I had to stop and reframe the questions in my head as not being about a *religion* but the bigger concept of connectedness. My personal version of spirituality is very ontological, very much focused on the interconnectedness of nature, and heavily informed by the Indigenous influences from my childhood where a rock has as much spirit as a human, and where you can have as much of a relationship with a body of water as you can with another person.

Human-centered spirituality is quite young compared to more ontological versions.

I really enjoyed in my linguistics degree studying the structure of a lot of Canadian Indigenous languages, especially how it puts ontological spirituality at the very center of their way of thinking.

A lot of the languages don't really have nouns for a lot of things. Like eyeball isn't a body part, it's the "round thing that allows you to witness the divine event of the sun rising daily." In English that sounds long and cumbersome, but in the language the concept of "witness the divine event of the sun rising" is such a foundational concept that it's a tiny little word segment that can be thrown into any word that involves seeing of any sort.

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« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2024, 08:25:36 AM »
I laughed. And learned a new word.

Now I just need to learn a joke so I can tell it and say the same.

That aside, I think the problem with spirituality in the questionaire is that they always asked for your faith. "my faith makes what I am".
That is of course BS for an Atheist, especially when thinking about the white bearded imaginary friend in the clouds.
However spirituality (in the psychological sense) is different than that. For example you can feel "unity with the world around you" without any religion. The main problem is that everyone defines spirituality different though.

As a German I of course need to cite Goethe's Faust here:

„Kein persönlicher Gott mehr, keine Konfession, keine Glaubensgemeinschaft, keine Kirche, keine damit verbundene sittliche Weltordnung – aber das Gefühl einer Allheit und Allverbundenheit, emotionale Übereinstimmung mit dem Weltganzen, das Absolute als Chiffre für die Liebe.“

"No more personal God, no denomination, no community of faith, no church, no associated moral world order - but the feeling of allness and all-connectedness, emotional agreement with the world as a whole, the absolute as a cipher for love."

I totally agree. I had to stop and reframe the questions in my head as not being about a *religion* but the bigger concept of connectedness. My personal version of spirituality is very ontological, very much focused on the interconnectedness of nature, and heavily informed by the Indigenous influences from my childhood where a rock has as much spirit as a human, and where you can have as much of a relationship with a body of water as you can with another person.

Human-centered spirituality is quite young compared to more ontological versions.

I really enjoyed in my linguistics degree studying the structure of a lot of Canadian Indigenous languages, especially how it puts ontological spirituality at the very center of their way of thinking.

A lot of the languages don't really have nouns for a lot of things. Like eyeball isn't a body part, it's the "round thing that allows you to witness the divine event of the sun rising daily." In English that sounds long and cumbersome, but in the language the concept of "witness the divine event of the sun rising" is such a foundational concept that it's a tiny little word segment that can be thrown into any word that involves seeing of any sort.
That all definitely makes sense, and can certainly intellectually rationalize re-interpreting the questions to align with some other version of outside-myself-ness, but even those don’t feel spiritual to me.

I guess I relate closer to the Romantics’ idea of the sublime as a kind of out of body experience of aesthetic awe - that’s what I feel both in beautiful natural settings and even more so around extraordinary artifacts of human achievement (the glaciers and volcano in Iceland were amazing but somehow the Duomo in Milan more so?). But even this feeling is very individual; it does not feel like “emotional agreement with the world as a whole” - I don’t think I’ve ever really had that. The closest I can remember is suddenly being overwhelmed at my wedding by the idea that generations and generations of Jewish people before me also stood under a huppah and said similar words to each other - but what moves me there is man-made history rather than the power of some external force.

In any case, I don’t want to think of myself as spiritual and prefer a term closer to aesthete. But maybe I’m overthinking a 10-minute personality quiz.

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« Reply #71 on: January 15, 2024, 08:27:19 AM »
I laughed. And learned a new word.

Now I just need to learn a joke so I can tell it and say the same.

That aside, I think the problem with spirituality in the questionaire is that they always asked for your faith. "my faith makes what I am".
That is of course BS for an Atheist, especially when thinking about the white bearded imaginary friend in the clouds.
However spirituality (in the psychological sense) is different than that. For example you can feel "unity with the world around you" without any religion. The main problem is that everyone defines spirituality different though.

As a German I of course need to cite Goethe's Faust here:

„Kein persönlicher Gott mehr, keine Konfession, keine Glaubensgemeinschaft, keine Kirche, keine damit verbundene sittliche Weltordnung – aber das Gefühl einer Allheit und Allverbundenheit, emotionale Übereinstimmung mit dem Weltganzen, das Absolute als Chiffre für die Liebe.“

"No more personal God, no denomination, no community of faith, no church, no associated moral world order - but the feeling of allness and all-connectedness, emotional agreement with the world as a whole, the absolute as a cipher for love."

I totally agree. I had to stop and reframe the questions in my head as not being about a *religion* but the bigger concept of connectedness. My personal version of spirituality is very ontological, very much focused on the interconnectedness of nature, and heavily informed by the Indigenous influences from my childhood where a rock has as much spirit as a human, and where you can have as much of a relationship with a body of water as you can with another person.

Human-centered spirituality is quite young compared to more ontological versions.

I really enjoyed in my linguistics degree studying the structure of a lot of Canadian Indigenous languages, especially how it puts ontological spirituality at the very center of their way of thinking.

A lot of the languages don't really have nouns for a lot of things. Like eyeball isn't a body part, it's the "round thing that allows you to witness the divine event of the sun rising daily." In English that sounds long and cumbersome, but in the language the concept of "witness the divine event of the sun rising" is such a foundational concept that it's a tiny little word segment that can be thrown into any word that involves seeing of any sort.
That all definitely makes sense, and can certainly intellectually rationalize re-interpreting the questions to align with some other version of outside-myself-ness, but even those don’t feel spiritual to me.

I guess I relate closer to the Romantics’ idea of the sublime as a kind of out of body experience of aesthetic awe - that’s what I feel both in beautiful natural settings and even more so around extraordinary artifacts of human achievement (the glaciers and volcano in Iceland were amazing but somehow the Duomo in Milan more so?). But even this feeling is very individual; it does not feel like “emotional agreement with the world as a whole” - I don’t think I’ve ever really had that. The closest I can remember is suddenly being overwhelmed at my wedding by the idea that generations and generations of Jewish people before me also stood under a huppah and said similar words to each other - but what moves me there is man-made history rather than the power of some external force.

In any case, I don’t want to think of myself as spiritual and prefer a term closer to aesthete. But maybe I’m overthinking a 10-minute personality quiz.

n'ah, this is the exact shit that thousands of years of people have dedicated their entire lives to studying and trying to understand.

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« Reply #72 on: January 15, 2024, 08:48:06 AM »
Top strengths for me:

1. Curiousity
2. Honesty
3. Love of Learning
4. Humor
5. Judgment

"Lesser" strengths:

21. Gratitude
22. Bravery
23. Zest
24. Spirituality

Authentic Happiness score: 3.13

I, too, struggle with the concepts of "purpose" and "importance".  I have often told people that at this stage in my life, it is my goal to be as happy as possible and have as much "fun" as possible while dragging my spouse along.  For the record, she is happy to be "dragged." :-)

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #73 on: January 15, 2024, 08:54:01 AM »
Like others who have commented, I think my brain was probably derailed a bit by the outdated conceptions of words like "spirituality" and "purpose" that still linger in my head from working days.  Late-stage capitalist corporate bureaucracy really does a number on your brain, folks!  And I worked in non-profits!  But at the intersection of philanthropy and government, which is a murky swamp to navigate. 

I'm looking forward to seeing how much my scores/ranking of different traits change as I progress through the course -- which will at least partly be a function of opening my brain up to a different way of defining some of those concepts.


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« Reply #74 on: January 15, 2024, 09:02:37 AM »
Like others who have commented, I think my brain was probably derailed a bit by the outdated conceptions of words like "spirituality" and "purpose" that still linger in my head from working days.  Late-stage capitalist corporate bureaucracy really does a number on your brain, folks!  And I worked in non-profits!  But at the intersection of philanthropy and government, which is a murky swamp to navigate. 

I'm looking forward to seeing how much my scores/ranking of different traits change as I progress through the course -- which will at least partly be a function of opening my brain up to a different way of defining some of those concepts.

Oh hell yes.

I have so many conversations with people about this, and it's profoundly disturbing a lot of the time.

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #75 on: January 15, 2024, 09:06:02 AM »
For those of us who got perseverance in our lesser strengths: https://tilde.town/~dozens/sofa/

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #76 on: January 15, 2024, 10:12:48 AM »
Top Strengths:

1. Kindness
2. Love of Learning
3. Perspective
4. Curiosity
5. Humility

For the homework of using them in new ways, I've only come up with the first three days' worth. I hope to come up with the rest of the week as we go.

Monday: Love of Learning - Do some continuing education relevant to my volunteer work.
Tuesday: Kindness - Support a family member with setting up the support structure for some life changes. I count this as "kindness" rather than "pushing them" because they directly asked for help with setting it up. I'll need to be mindful of letting them guide, though.
Wednesday: Curiosity - Try a new food flavor. This should be fairly easy to integrate because Wednesday is a grocery shopping day.

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #77 on: January 15, 2024, 11:41:13 AM »
This has already been super rewarding reading all the thoughtful responses – thanks to @lhamo and everyone. 

I struggle with the vagueness of some of the questions (e.g, how often do I get something I want—are we talking holistic fulfillment or a microwave oven?).  But really my difficulty with these tests is that (similar to something @Metalcat expressed above) I have a very regimented separation from my work life and personal life.  If examined side-by-side, they would probably be considered two very different people.  So it was hard to know which “me” I was answering for.  But I tried to be thoughtful and did my best to answer.  Results:

PERMA:  4.38; AH: 2.54 (good lord)

Top 5 Strengths: 

1.  Humility
2.  Gratitude
3.  Judgment
4.  Perseverance
5.  Perspective

Bottom 4 Strengths:

21.  Zest
22.  Hope
23.  Teamwork
24.  Love

The Love one was a bitter pill to swallow.  But as @cannotWAIT said, I viewed most of the questions as how well you EXPRESS love.  And I took that maybe too literally as TELLING someone.  I do not come from a “let’s tell each other you love them” background, but as my spouse like to say, I express my love in many unsaid ways by constantly thinking about and doing things to help those I love.  Or maybe I’m just a raging D-bag….

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #78 on: January 15, 2024, 04:09:31 PM »
For those of us who got perseverance in our lesser strengths: https://tilde.town/~dozens/sofa/

This is... revolutionary

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #79 on: January 16, 2024, 02:11:44 AM »
For those of us who got perseverance in our lesser strengths: https://tilde.town/~dozens/sofa/

Wow. OMG. My immediate response to this is to think that it is a dangerous pandering to my lack of perseverance. Which suggests I have been brainwashed why what the writer calls the "societal pressure to stick to things until the bitter end."

Food for thought. Now I want to quit everything.

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« Reply #80 on: January 16, 2024, 06:01:43 AM »
For those of us who got perseverance in our lesser strengths: https://tilde.town/~dozens/sofa/

Wow. OMG. My immediate response to this is to think that it is a dangerous pandering to my lack of perseverance. Which suggests I have been brainwashed why what the writer calls the "societal pressure to stick to things until the bitter end."

Food for thought. Now I want to quit everything.

And you probably should.

That's what I said above. Nobody needs to take pride in sticking with things if they don't have a problem sticking with things.

I've been talking about this a lot lately, this particularly American presupposition that failure is some kind of default and everyone has to protect, viciously against it in order to "succeed."

We were talking in a few threads about this obsessive need to push kids towards success, because the default assumption is abject failure if they don't. I then posted some info about a suicide course I was doing and how this kind of thinking is actually pretty high risk for suicidality.

But what if we actually presume success and trust our own judgement?

What if we don't operate from the assumption that if left to our own devices and without extreme pressure that we'll somehow "fail?"

I personally found myself much more successful at the things that really mattered to me when I starting trusting my own judgement more and following through only on the things I really wanted to do.

I actually became rather ruthless about paring out work that didn't appeal to me or didn't feel truly important and I very quickly abandon things now when they don't feel like an extremely valuable use of my time.

In short, I became very frugal about my time and effort, really optimizing for what makes me happiest and matters most to me. I leaned heavily into trusting my own judgement and presuming success.

And what happened was that I got a lot more successful *and* successes came a lot easier because I wasn't wasting precious resources on working my ass off for the sake of working my ass off.

When you fundamentally trust yourself and your capacity to succeed at what matters, the stress pressure virtually disappears along with any sense of obligation to follow through on anything.

The drive to see things through then comes from an internal, intrinsic drive for the sake of the important outcome, not from a sense of obligation to continue. It ends up taking very minimal will power to do, well anything really.

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #81 on: January 16, 2024, 09:51:12 AM »
Week 2 time!! I think a lot of the money doesn't correlate to happiness (after having enough to meet your basic needs) will resonate strongly with the MMM crowd.  Homework this week is to practice "savoring" and "gratefulness" which I think I will enjoy and have no problem completing. The reference to hedonic adaptation reminded me of MMM's 2011 blog (https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/10/22/what-is-hedonic-adaptation-and-how-can-it-turn-you-into-a-sukka/). Anyway, thank you to this thread, class has been enjoyable so far.

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #82 on: January 16, 2024, 11:34:37 AM »
I'm curious how the rest of you feel about the "purpose in life" questions that were on one of these tests, I think the "Authentic Happiness" one. What does "purpose" mean to you? Do you feel that you have one?

I have to admit that I have never even understood the concept of having a purpose in life. Does it mean a purpose that you cook up for your own life, or one imposed from above? For instance, if you think your purpose is to be a good parent, does that mean "God put me here to be a good parent" or does it mean "I think parenting is a noble endeavor and it's important to me to be good at it" or does it mean "I love my daughter Natalie and want to be the best parent to her"? What is the difference between having a purpose and having a desire or interest?

I kind of feel like the concept of "purpose" is similar to religious "faith" in that either you're wired to understand it or you're not. You can't just wake up one day and say "I'm going to have faith" and it's the same with feeling that you have a purpose to your life. I envy those who have faith and purpose because they seem really comforting, although I continue to be baffled as to what they actually are!

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #83 on: January 16, 2024, 11:52:33 AM »
I'm curious how the rest of you feel about the "purpose in life" questions that were on one of these tests, I think the "Authentic Happiness" one. What does "purpose" mean to you? Do you feel that you have one?

I have to admit that I have never even understood the concept of having a purpose in life. Does it mean a purpose that you cook up for your own life, or one imposed from above? For instance, if you think your purpose is to be a good parent, does that mean "God put me here to be a good parent" or does it mean "I think parenting is a noble endeavor and it's important to me to be good at it" or does it mean "I love my daughter Natalie and want to be the best parent to her"? What is the difference between having a purpose and having a desire or interest?

I kind of feel like the concept of "purpose" is similar to religious "faith" in that either you're wired to understand it or you're not. You can't just wake up one day and say "I'm going to have faith" and it's the same with feeling that you have a purpose to your life. I envy those who have faith and purpose because they seem really comforting, although I continue to be baffled as to what they actually are!

There actually are people who wake up one day and suddenly become religious. There is no shortage of adult baptisms in the religious world.

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #84 on: January 16, 2024, 12:29:12 PM »
I'm curious how the rest of you feel about the "purpose in life" questions that were on one of these tests, I think the "Authentic Happiness" one. What does "purpose" mean to you? Do you feel that you have one?

I have to admit that I have never even understood the concept of having a purpose in life. Does it mean a purpose that you cook up for your own life, or one imposed from above? For instance, if you think your purpose is to be a good parent, does that mean "God put me here to be a good parent" or does it mean "I think parenting is a noble endeavor and it's important to me to be good at it" or does it mean "I love my daughter Natalie and want to be the best parent to her"? What is the difference between having a purpose and having a desire or interest?

I kind of feel like the concept of "purpose" is similar to religious "faith" in that either you're wired to understand it or you're not. You can't just wake up one day and say "I'm going to have faith" and it's the same with feeling that you have a purpose to your life. I envy those who have faith and purpose because they seem really comforting, although I continue to be baffled as to what they actually are!

As I said above, I have a very solid sense of purpose, my purpose is to live my best life. What that looks like and how I achieve that is based on feedback from things I try to see how well or poorly they impact my key quality of life measures.

It's gotten very, very easy for me to make decisions since I boiled everything down to key indicators of success, as defined by me.

Note, none of them are based on work or accomplishments. Work and accomplishments can contribute to key indicators, but they are not, in and of themselves indicators of success.

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #85 on: January 16, 2024, 01:03:11 PM »
For those of us who got perseverance in our lesser strengths: https://tilde.town/~dozens/sofa/

This is... revolutionary

Yes to the revolution! I love it so much.

Thanks for sharing @cannotWAIT --I felt like a poster child reading that and somehow felt a flush of happiness rather than any shame :)

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #86 on: January 16, 2024, 02:16:10 PM »
For those of us who got perseverance in our lesser strengths: https://tilde.town/~dozens/sofa/

This is... revolutionary

Yes to the revolution! I love it so much.

Thanks for sharing @cannotWAIT --I felt like a poster child reading that and somehow felt a flush of happiness rather than any shame :)

Haha, me too! We've been doing it right all along! *high five*


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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #87 on: January 17, 2024, 04:55:41 AM »
I'm curious how the rest of you feel about the "purpose in life" questions that were on one of these tests, I think the "Authentic Happiness" one. What does "purpose" mean to you? Do you feel that you have one?

I have to admit that I have never even understood the concept of having a purpose in life. Does it mean a purpose that you cook up for your own life, or one imposed from above? For instance, if you think your purpose is to be a good parent, does that mean "God put me here to be a good parent" or does it mean "I think parenting is a noble endeavor and it's important to me to be good at it" or does it mean "I love my daughter Natalie and want to be the best parent to her"? What is the difference between having a purpose and having a desire or interest?

I kind of feel like the concept of "purpose" is similar to religious "faith" in that either you're wired to understand it or you're not. You can't just wake up one day and say "I'm going to have faith" and it's the same with feeling that you have a purpose to your life. I envy those who have faith and purpose because they seem really comforting, although I continue to be baffled as to what they actually are!

I read a quote not too long ago that really resonated with me: "Life has no purpose, only potential."  I'm an atheist, so I think we find or create our own purpose (or not).  I tend to agree with Metalcat that living my best life is a very fine purpose indeed. 

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #88 on: January 17, 2024, 06:05:49 AM »
I'm curious how the rest of you feel about the "purpose in life" questions that were on one of these tests, I think the "Authentic Happiness" one. What does "purpose" mean to you? Do you feel that you have one?

I have to admit that I have never even understood the concept of having a purpose in life. Does it mean a purpose that you cook up for your own life, or one imposed from above? For instance, if you think your purpose is to be a good parent, does that mean "God put me here to be a good parent" or does it mean "I think parenting is a noble endeavor and it's important to me to be good at it" or does it mean "I love my daughter Natalie and want to be the best parent to her"? What is the difference between having a purpose and having a desire or interest?

I kind of feel like the concept of "purpose" is similar to religious "faith" in that either you're wired to understand it or you're not. You can't just wake up one day and say "I'm going to have faith" and it's the same with feeling that you have a purpose to your life. I envy those who have faith and purpose because they seem really comforting, although I continue to be baffled as to what they actually are!

I read a quote not too long ago that really resonated with me: "Life has no purpose, only potential."  I'm an atheist, so I think we find or create our own purpose (or not).  I tend to agree with Metalcat that living my best life is a very fine purpose indeed.

Even being religious this can be ones purpose.

I studied religion for a long time with a particular focus on Canadian Indigenous spirituality and Islam, and there's a common thread to the world's history of religions and spirituality, which is a sense of connectedness.

The research is pretty solid on this that a sense of connectedness becomes more and more important to people as we age or as we face major hardships and health issues in life.

This is covered really well in the AMAZING book Being Mortal.

So religions keep popping up throughout history to try and address this fundamental human need for connectedness. Of course they end up being co-opted as tools of control and social coercion, but that's just how organization among humans tends to go.

But if ones purpose is quality of life, then connectedness is going to play a massive role in that. Now, whether that connectedness is focused on people, nature, the divine, whatever, is up to the individual to interpret.

My point is, whether deeply religious or staunchly atheist, the purpose of life can be to live really, really well. Because one actually kind of has to live really well in order to forge and sustain high quality connection.

Connection is a hell of a lot easier to cultivate if you are happy and healthy, and it synergistically supports health and happiness, and they self-perpetuate one another.

If someone is experiencing isolation and loneliness, that's a surefire indicator that something in terms of their overall wellness is WAY OFF.

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #89 on: January 17, 2024, 11:34:21 AM »
Joining also. This is just the mind/life learning I need right now.

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #90 on: January 17, 2024, 12:21:54 PM »
Neat - I've joined too! Not done week one yet.

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #91 on: January 17, 2024, 06:30:19 PM »
Huh.  My PERMA overall score is 8, but 'authentic happiness' score is 2.92.  I'd have figured they would have aligned a little closer.


Honesty, Humour, and Judgement as my top strengths sounds about right.  Apparently my #1 weakness is Teamwork though . . . which is weird.  I've never had problems working in a team (and have had to for my entire working career), I just prefer working on my own when given the chance.  Hope, and Love as the next two biggest weaknesses seem to track though.  :P

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #92 on: January 17, 2024, 08:30:17 PM »
I downloaded the app, which gives you access to more information about the character strengths, and I deduced from their little blurbs about each strength that hope and zest are the two that they've found to be most highly correlated with a happy life.

Zest was one of my lowest ones, which definitely feels true right now. And, interestingly, I got my partner to take the survey and he had zest as one of his lowest ones too, so we are perhaps reinforcing that in each other. Although mostly I perceive him to be "laid back" or "mellow," and I find it relaxing. Zesty people jangle my nerves.

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #93 on: January 18, 2024, 04:10:56 AM »
I'm curious how the rest of you feel about the "purpose in life" questions that were on one of these tests, I think the "Authentic Happiness" one. What does "purpose" mean to you? Do you feel that you have one?

I have to admit that I have never even understood the concept of having a purpose in life. Does it mean a purpose that you cook up for your own life, or one imposed from above? For instance, if you think your purpose is to be a good parent, does that mean "God put me here to be a good parent" or does it mean "I think parenting is a noble endeavor and it's important to me to be good at it" or does it mean "I love my daughter Natalie and want to be the best parent to her"? What is the difference between having a purpose and having a desire or interest?

I kind of feel like the concept of "purpose" is similar to religious "faith" in that either you're wired to understand it or you're not. You can't just wake up one day and say "I'm going to have faith" and it's the same with feeling that you have a purpose to your life. I envy those who have faith and purpose because they seem really comforting, although I continue to be baffled as to what they actually are!

I read a quote not too long ago that really resonated with me: "Life has no purpose, only potential."  I'm an atheist, so I think we find or create our own purpose (or not).  I tend to agree with Metalcat that living my best life is a very fine purpose indeed.

Even being religious this can be ones purpose.

I studied religion for a long time with a particular focus on Canadian Indigenous spirituality and Islam, and there's a common thread to the world's history of religions and spirituality, which is a sense of connectedness.

The research is pretty solid on this that a sense of connectedness becomes more and more important to people as we age or as we face major hardships and health issues in life.

This is covered really well in the AMAZING book Being Mortal.

So religions keep popping up throughout history to try and address this fundamental human need for connectedness. Of course they end up being co-opted as tools of control and social coercion, but that's just how organization among humans tends to go.

But if ones purpose is quality of life, then connectedness is going to play a massive role in that. Now, whether that connectedness is focused on people, nature, the divine, whatever, is up to the individual to interpret.

My point is, whether deeply religious or staunchly atheist, the purpose of life can be to live really, really well. Because one actually kind of has to live really well in order to forge and sustain high quality connection.

Connection is a hell of a lot easier to cultivate if you are happy and healthy, and it synergistically supports health and happiness, and they self-perpetuate one another.

If someone is experiencing isolation and loneliness, that's a surefire indicator that something in terms of their overall wellness is WAY OFF.

Further along in the course, she talks about the things that are proven to increase human happiness, and social connections is one of them.

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Re: Proposed MMM community learning opportunity: The Science of Well-Being
« Reply #94 on: January 18, 2024, 08:16:09 AM »
Oh interesting!

Strengths:
1. Judgement
2. Love of learning
3. Curiosity
4. Prudence
5. Bravery

Lesser strengths:
1. Appreciation of beauty
2. Teamwork
3. Perseverance
4. Humility

So apparently I'm a vain judgey loner nerd with no appreciation for beauty :)

This was actually pretty interesting. I'm not sure that I buy the Teamwork element, I think that's just a byproduct of being pretty ambivalent about teams - they're the right answer for some things and the wrong answer for others. The curiosity/prudence/bravery combo does feel about right to me, I spend a lot of time figuring out what seems to be going on and trying to do the best thing about it even when it's annoying.

Whoever proposed this course - thanks! It's been great so far.

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« Reply #95 on: January 19, 2024, 04:36:05 PM »
I’ve read a bunch of happiness related books. I think I’m wired differently. I told my niece I hate my job, and my brother overheard and told my sister I’m quitting, which I’m not.  Well I’m close to FI or at least Lean-Fi. My sister told me Dad, within earshot, that that means I’m mentally ill. She’s 65, well past dying with millions in the bank, enjoys working. She was “ people in India with no roof and 20 kids are happy” and then exchanged advice about how I need to meditate or do yoga, though lack of time to exercise is part of my unhappiness.

I think part of my brain compares everything to the best version. I worked in this career and was successful at the job and the exams, now I’m struggling with both. I lived 12 years in walkable cities and had arts available to me. Now I live with my senior parents in the suburbs. My Mom watches soap operas in her language 10 hours a day, basic conversation with them is a struggle. It’s not that I don’t love them, but I miss living alone.

I do practice gratitude for all I have, but I’m a glass half empty kind of person. I think it’s ingrained in my personality.


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« Reply #96 on: January 20, 2024, 08:29:40 AM »
So, not to spoil things for those who still haven't done week 2 of the course, but the research referenced in that module indicates that roughly 50% of your happiness/life satisfaction level seems to be related to your genetic baseline.  About 10% is related to life circumstances.  That leaves about 40% that you can affect through your habits and thought patterns.

Caregiving for aging parents is HARD!  But maybe there are some little tweaks you can make so that it isn't quite such a miserable experience.  Are there any places you can get out to walk and enjoy nature?  Even in the suburbs you might find things you enjoy, and getting out would get you some solitude/peace and quiet. 

Are your parents still able to articulate memories about their lives and your life growing up?  Maybe connecting with them in that way  for an hour or two a day and getting some of those family history things down on tape or on paper would enrich all of your lives?  And give your mom something to do beside watch the soaps.

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« Reply #97 on: January 20, 2024, 08:36:08 AM »
So, not to spoil things for those who still haven't done week 2 of the course, but the research referenced in that module indicates that roughly 50% of your happiness/life satisfaction level seems to be related to your genetic baseline.  About 10% is related to life circumstances.  That leaves about 40% that you can affect through your habits and thought patterns.

Caregiving for aging parents is HARD!  But maybe there are some little tweaks you can make so that it isn't quite such a miserable experience.  Are there any places you can get out to walk and enjoy nature?  Even in the suburbs you might find things you enjoy, and getting out would get you some solitude/peace and quiet. 

Are your parents still able to articulate memories about their lives and your life growing up?  Maybe connecting with them in that way  for an hour or two a day and getting some of those family history things down on tape or on paper would enrich all of your lives?  And give your mom something to do beside watch the soaps.

I have a lot of this in my life right now.

My mom at 64 had a catastrophic brain bleed that blew out nearly a fifth of her brain. She should not have survived, and should have major deficits, but literally just got her driver's license back less than  a year after it happened because she's a freak of nature.

I'm getting to know this new person, which is challenging. She and I have a very complex history. But her long term memory is perfectly intact and she's a more reliable narrator now because she's less manipulative. So I'm learning SO MUCH about my family history that was never clear before because there was always an agenda to how she shared before.

Now I can just get a clear, chronological timeline of her insane and amazing life history, like how the hell she ended up on tour with a major European rock band at the age of 6???

It's been absolutely incredible to keep downloading all of this history that I've never had reliable access to.

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« Reply #98 on: January 20, 2024, 09:12:59 AM »
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Now I can just get a clear, chronological timeline of her insane and amazing life history, like how the hell she ended up on tour with a major European rock band at the age of 6???

Wait, what? You sure about that driver's license? ;)

My dad didn't have that luck and after a bleeding (which was already at the end of a string of stuff) he ended up bedridden with one half of the body barely moveable and all the time on heavy pain killers and still hurt. 4 painful years for everyone until the cancer came back and took him.

The doctors back at the time of the stroke already asked us if they should stop the machines and the next day he awoke from the coma.
Would have better for all if he had not waken up at that time. Stuff like this can really take down your happiness, that's for sure.

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« Reply #99 on: January 20, 2024, 09:13:49 AM »
Just found this thread. Interesting idea. I'm behind- will check it out. Posting so I have reminders!

strengths:
1. Perspective
2. Love of learning
3. Hope
4. Prudence
5. Judgement
- these next ones seem related
6. Curiosity
7. Kindness

lesser:  I agree with these
1. zest  (yeah, I'm no cheerleader!)
2. perseverance (If bored or I find something is no longer useful I have no qualms about dropping it)
3. teamwork
4. spirituality

ETA:YES!
For those of us who got perseverance in our lesser strengths: https://tilde.town/~dozens/sofa/
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