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Playing with FIRE documentary
« on: September 17, 2018, 04:59:36 AM »
Does anyone know the status of this, when will it be out etc? I see 2019, hopefully ready sooner...

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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2019, 01:16:35 PM »
Hey Zola - wanted to make sure you saw this.
They just posted on the movie's facebook page today saying they have a big announcement in the next week. I'm thinking that's likely the premiere tour.

I'm very excited for this doc. I'm surprised we haven't heard more about it on the forums.

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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2019, 07:07:21 AM »
Last I heard was spring of this year, but no release date announced yet doesn't encourage me.

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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2019, 07:39:13 AM »
It's been in post-production since Sept 3 2018, with no release date noted on IMDB. This usually means they don't have a distribution deal yet.

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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2019, 05:19:54 PM »
I wonder if there is some sort of big announcement coming this week...

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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2019, 05:37:23 PM »
Wife and I read the book.  I'd give it a meh.  The authors haven't attained financial independence, which for me means they don't really have much to offer on this subject.  The book feels like an entrepreneur who just learned about "FIRE" trying to make some money selling the book and now a movie.  I have no issue with that, but it's not for me.
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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2019, 06:22:22 PM »
Did you listen to the ChooseFI podcast he did? He's definitely making less than he would have staying where he was in the industry...

Edited to add: It's interesting the book came off that way to you. I get that impression from a lot of things in the FI community (e.g., Frugalwoods, every travel credit card funded blog ever), and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but I didn't get that feeling from his podcast interview.
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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2019, 07:00:32 PM »
Did you listen to the ChooseFI podcast he did? He's definitely making less than he would have staying where he was in the industry...

Edited to add: It's interesting the book came off that way to you. I get that impression from a lot of things in the FI community (e.g., Frugalwoods, every travel credit card funded blog ever), and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but I didn't get that feeling from his podcast interview.

No, I have not listened to it.  Just giving my impression of the book.  For me, I just prefer reading stuff from people who have already accomplished what they are writing about.  Don't get me wrong, I can enjoy a good journal/autobiography, but it would be nice to read it after it's complete.  This book would have been much better if it was written after they hit FI.
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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2019, 09:26:27 PM »
Wife and I read the book.  I'd give it a meh.  The authors haven't attained financial independence, which for me means they don't really have much to offer on this subject.  The book feels like an entrepreneur who just learned about "FIRE" trying to make some money selling the book and now a movie.  I have no issue with that, but it's not for me.
Did you listen to the ChooseFI podcast he did? He's definitely making less than he would have staying where he was in the industry...

Edited to add: It's interesting the book came off that way to you. I get that impression from a lot of things in the FI community (e.g., Frugalwoods, every travel credit card funded blog ever), and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but I didn't get that feeling from his podcast interview.

The podcast you linked is an interview with the film's director.  He's not at all new to the FIRE movement (4+ years) and is, at a minimum, LeanFI.  It was an excellent interview; he is very well spoken.

The book is by the film's "star" who, as HBFIRE noted, was new to the whole FIRE concept when he and his wife set out to make this film. 

The movie is supposedly a mix of their adventure and interviews with some people (big names and small) in the movement.  I haven't read the book, and likely won't, but will watch the film when it is available.

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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2019, 09:50:35 PM »
Maybe the film can be played at CM*TO.

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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2019, 02:29:05 PM »
I wish they were doing a better job with information about this thing.

From what I can tell there was a private viewing with MMM, and Kickstarters have been able to watch, but they haven't mentioned distribution for anyone else at all.

If it's an issue that there will only be film festival releases until they find a distributor, let us know!

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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2019, 06:50:07 PM »
Email them or post on their facebook or kickstarter. They will respond.

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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2019, 05:26:29 AM »
Any update on it yet? What platform will it be released on?

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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2019, 05:57:54 AM »
It's been release to kickstarter backers.  I watched it this weekend and really enjoyed it.  I think its a more personal, emotional look at the FIRE journey which I appreciate.  It's a perspective that's not often represented in the community.  My understanding is that it will be released more broadly in May.

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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2019, 05:23:18 PM »
I supported this via Kickstarter and have received regular updates, but I did not get the movie.  Did it show up via email?  Thanks!

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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2019, 08:10:42 AM »
I hope it's good.... I'm thinking it will help my wife connect with the fire movement/mindset on a more emotional level.  She's on board with it but I don't think she gets why I want it so badly.

Thats what I am hoping for too...

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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2019, 04:10:45 PM »
Wife and I read the book.  I'd give it a meh.  The authors haven't attained financial independence, which for me means they don't really have much to offer on this subject.  The book feels like an entrepreneur who just learned about "FIRE" trying to make some money selling the book and now a movie.  I have no issue with that, but it's not for me.
Did you listen to the ChooseFI podcast he did? He's definitely making less than he would have staying where he was in the industry...

Edited to add: It's interesting the book came off that way to you. I get that impression from a lot of things in the FI community (e.g., Frugalwoods, every travel credit card funded blog ever), and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but I didn't get that feeling from his podcast interview.

The podcast you linked is an interview with the film's director.  He's not at all new to the FIRE movement (4+ years) and is, at a minimum, LeanFI.  It was an excellent interview; he is very well spoken.

The book is by the film's "star" who, as HBFIRE noted, was new to the whole FIRE concept when he and his wife set out to make this film. 

The movie is supposedly a mix of their adventure and interviews with some people (big names and small) in the movement.  I haven't read the book, and likely won't, but will watch the film when it is available.

Just listened to the podcast, really excellent.  Looking forward to the film even if the book was disappointing.

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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2019, 10:29:24 AM »
Nice, I might be able to catch that premier.

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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2019, 03:38:00 AM »
Are they not going to release it online?  Strange that its taking so long to reach us all..

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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2019, 08:56:58 AM »
Are they not going to release it online?  Strange that its taking so long to reach us all..

Yeah, this seems like a strange decision in 2019. Doing limited releases in theaters doesn't seem like it will reach anyone outside of the FIRE community.

I figured they'd try to get it on something like Netflix, Hulu, or Amazon as soon as possible. But maybe those platforms won't pay them enough until there's some kind of "hype" surrounding it from film festivals or something. I think of something like that Minimalism documentary where tons of people were exposed to the concept via Netflix.

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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2019, 01:00:50 PM »
The movie is done - they are just working on getting a distribution deal now.

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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2019, 08:00:26 PM »
Wife and I read the book.  I'd give it a meh.  The authors haven't attained financial independence, which for me means they don't really have much to offer on this subject.  The book feels like an entrepreneur who just learned about "FIRE" trying to make some money selling the book and now a movie.  I have no issue with that, but it's not for me.
I'll be a little meaner and say the book was terrible. Poorly written and content was weak. Seemed to be constantly failing at frugality, taking advantage of handouts, and just generally not practicing FIRE concepts. The MMM foreward lured me in.

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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2019, 04:19:56 AM »
Also would it be fair to say that its not that amazing for them to FIRE if the main guy is already an EMMY winning director and probably awash with $$$$$$$ ?

Maybe unfair, but it doesn't strike me as him being an average joe...

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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2019, 04:51:30 AM »
It doesn't strike you as fair that you aassume he is rich? That doesn't make much sense.

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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2019, 08:13:07 AM »
Watched the trailer. Kinda strikes me as further self-aggrandizing and profiteering off of anti-consumerism. The presence of those "Minimalist" guys doesn't help. 

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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2019, 09:14:56 AM »
It doesn't strike you as fair that you aassume he is rich? That doesn't make much sense.

I mean maybe I am being unfair on him...it  sounds like he already had plenty of capital behind him, so is the success of FIRE for him going to strike a chord with the average person?

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« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2019, 10:39:50 AM »
It doesn't strike you as fair that you aassume he is rich? That doesn't make much sense.

I mean maybe I am being unfair on him...it  sounds like he already had plenty of capital behind him, so is the success of FIRE for him going to strike a chord with the average person?

I'm sure has just as much potential as MMM (a high earning software engineer) had. It's no coincidence that the people who've had the most success in the retire early arena are those who had high income careers. Your ability to retire early is directly related to what you make vs what you spend. Naturally, making more provides the opportunity to retire earlier.

Just because someone makes more money than us doesn't mean we can't learn from them.

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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2019, 04:18:31 PM »
There is way less money in TV than you guys think there is. I'm sure he's comfortable, but I'm also sure he doesn't make much if any more than the average computer programmer or tax accountant in a HCOL area - and with much more volatile earnings at that.

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« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2019, 04:32:03 PM »
Well, I just got some tickets to the premier on 6/1, looking forward to it.

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« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2019, 09:01:41 PM »
Wife and I read the book.  I'd give it a meh.  The authors haven't attained financial independence, which for me means they don't really have much to offer on this subject.  The book feels like an entrepreneur who just learned about "FIRE" trying to make some money selling the book and now a movie.  I have no issue with that, but it's not for me.

I didn't care for the ChooseFI interview about it, and that was when I thought everything they did was so great.

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« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2019, 10:51:25 PM »
I wasn't able to make it to the screening here in Chicago, has anyone seen the movie at this point? Hopefully they release it to everyone sometime soon.

Had to miss the premier, but headed to see it on Monday in Long Beach

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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2019, 11:08:29 PM »
Movie sounds like a tax write off.  How many tickets will they sell on a topic that is super niche?
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« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2019, 04:48:45 AM »
I agree! Obviously it must have cost $350m to make because all movies have the exact same cost.

(To suggest this movie was made as a tax write-off means you don't know how movies or taxes work.)

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« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2019, 08:30:03 AM »
I agree! Obviously it must have cost $350m to make because all movies have the exact same cost.

(To suggest this movie was made as a tax write-off means you don't know how movies or taxes work.)

How dare you, sir! Obviously anyone on this site knows everything about everything. I mean, shit, we have Abe Froman, The Sausage King of Chicago here (not on this thread yet, but here on the site). I imagine you'd refuse him a table at your restaurant simply because he's young and dashing.*

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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2019, 10:23:06 AM »
anyone have any idea when they are planning to make this available to those unable to attend a live screening?

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« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2019, 03:29:26 PM »
I went to the Seattle showing as well. It was a great time.

The movie by itself wasn't really what I would want from a documentary tbh. I don't feel like there was much direction or thesis of the documentary as a whole. It didn't do a particularly good job of explaining the mechanics of FIRE (probably a good thing as finance can be dry af), it didn't work through the whys very much outside of their own particular reason (time with the most adorable little girl ever), it didn't go through the spreading of FIRE through the culture, or anything else really.

That being said, I loved it. I am incredibly biased as I am sure we all are but it was great to hear from so many members of the community and to see someone else's journey through their first year with the movement. Additionally, there was a surprising amount of negative in the film which took me off guard. Doesn't put the best foot forward but it was also refreshing that it wasn't just a cult recruitment video.

Ultimately, it felt more like a video diary of their path through their first year interspersed with the pillars of the FIRE community talking about the basics of what FIRE is. They talked about how they hoped this would be the calling card of FIRE and I don't think it quite achieved that but it definitely made my heart swell seeing this on the big screen.

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« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2019, 03:33:30 PM »
Wife and I are going to see it in Nashville tonight. She's not terribly excited, and reviews from others have deflated my hopes.

But they were struggling to get to the ticket threshold, and it'll at least be an excuse to get out of the house.

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« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2019, 03:38:49 PM »
Saw the film this week and thought it was good.  Have to keep in mind the target audience are not FIRE people but rather blissfully unaware spenders.  I think the film did a decent job of showing the start of one couples FIRE journey and associated emotions, inter-mixed with well-known FIRE bloggers for reference and to add some detail. 

My hope is that for people searching for more, this film can provide the needed intro and motivation to read up on the FIRE movement.  My comparison is Rich Dad, Poor Dad (book motivates but need to read actual investing books for information).  The film won't get to that level, but I think it is a good step in the right direction.

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« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2019, 05:18:43 PM »
Any word on it being picked up by a streaming service or pay YouTube?

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« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2019, 09:33:12 AM »
I've been FIRE for a few years. I just read the book and really enjoyed it despite already being FIRE. If our local Santa Cruz showing doesn't get cancelled I'll be seeing the movie.

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« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2019, 09:01:45 AM »
We watched it over the weekend and really enjoyed it. I was prepared to dislike it after many of the comments I've seen on it here and elsewhere. However, it appeared to get the message across.

I liked that it was geared toward families. That allowed my wife to connect with it - it also got her a bit more interested in our finances. She had no idea that we are already saving >55% of our income.

I found it hilarious what sort of housing they could buy in Oregon for $300k. Our house is a McMansion in comparison for the same price here in TN. If they could have worked from home and lived anywhere, they really should have expanded their search a bit.

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« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2019, 10:39:10 AM »
There's no screenings anywhere within reasonable driving distance of me.  Here's hoping that it will be on Amazon or Netflix soon!

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« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2019, 12:17:43 PM »
Someone in the Vancouver ChooseFI group tried to organize a screening here, and was told they can't because it's only being screened in the US right now. So for the time being, it seems to be "fuck Canadians". So that's kind of shitty.

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« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2019, 01:16:47 PM »
I'm sure it's because of national enmity and not because international copyrights are a hard thing for an indie producer to navigate

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« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2019, 02:29:38 PM »
I'm sure it's because of national enmity and not because international copyrights are a hard thing for an indie producer to navigate

Frankly, I'm impressed with the number of screens they've been able to get in the US.   They're clearly working hard and smart at it.


I'll wager it's just the extra hurdle of national boundaries and limited human time to understand how to do it the right way.


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« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2019, 02:33:52 PM »
I'm sure it's because of national enmity and not because international copyrights are a hard thing for an indie producer to navigate

I prefer to think that they hate Canadians, so get out of here with your logic!

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« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2019, 06:06:52 PM »
Is there a way to order a DVD? I will ask my library to order it.

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« Reply #47 on: July 01, 2019, 08:01:59 PM »
I'm sure it's because of national enmity and not because international copyrights are a hard thing for an indie producer to navigate

I prefer to think that they hate Canadians, so get out of here with your logic!

 My experience with Canadians is when I drove from upper Michigan to Maine by way of Canada. I had made a wrong turn and ended up in a neighborhood, several kids started yelling, "Go to McDonolds, Go to McDonalds", I can only assume they saw my license plate and McDonald's is what they knew about the states. (46 years ago)
 Oh, that and the yearly invasion we get in the fall here in Florida.
 When I had my business I served a lot of Canadian customers.
Other than that, I have noted grantmeaname is so good at sarcasm, sometimes, I have to read it twice. :-)

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« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2019, 10:34:22 PM »
Just finished watching it in Long Beach.  I'd give it a generous C+, pretty meh.  The book was better, and I thought the book was not good.  I'd rate it right along with how I felt about the Minimalists (was I the only one disappointed in that film?).  By the way, why do they have the guys from the minimalists in this?  They had nothing to offer other than looking stoned and repeating platitudes, their only purpose was that they were recognizable -- super cheesy.  The cynic in me thinks the author of the book is just trying to build up a brand for himself and using this film and book to build that brand, much like the frugal woods.  That turns me off.  His "new business" is to create this film and grab attention to build himself a brand.  Meh.

The film would be much more compelling if the main characters were close to FI or had achieved it.  As it is, they just got started so it feels really empty in terms of taking them seriously.  It would be like watching someone do a documentary on how to lose weight, but is still extremely overweight and is on week 2 of the journey.  They had some well known "famous" FI people in the film, but they got very little coverage -- mostly just sound bites.  From what I read, the author insisted he be the star of the film and its focus, that was the main requirement to do the film in collaboration with the director -- again, the cynic in me sees this as self brand building.  They had access to a lot of well known people in the community but didn't give them the depth they should have gotten to give the film more credibility.

Since the author wanted to be the focus, he should have done a proper documentary on their background -- what exposed him to FIRE, a better time line, more in depth discussion of their previous lifestyle versus their lifestyle now, more coverage of their challenges (which the book really gets into), and hard core numbers -- there was nothing in this film about their income/expense numbers which is a huge downside imo.

Imagine if this film focused just on the story of Joe and Allison.  It would have been much more compelling and interesting following the story of 2 people who have gone through the entire process.   A real case study.

Ideally, this would be a  10 year film following two people from the start to finish.  But this would require patience and dedication instead of going for the quick money.

It's too bad, this thing had some potential.
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Re: Playing with FIRE documentary
« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2019, 11:11:52 PM »
Someone in the Vancouver ChooseFI group tried to organize a screening here, and was told they can't because it's only being screened in the US right now. So for the time being, it seems to be "fuck Canadians". So that's kind of shitty.

@Zikoris I've been thinking about trying to get it screened at the Pickford in Bellingham.  it would be the perfect venue... do you think your group would be interested in traveling south to view the film?