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Pets are so expensive
« on: February 04, 2015, 05:49:58 PM »
I am losing my mind. I love our two dogs which my wife and I adopted. One last summer, one 3 months ago. I think we've spent around $3000 so far, mostly vet and specialists for these 'conditions' they have.  They look and act completely healthy.

Is this a racket, or what?

I do not make enough money to cover half of these expenses and not feel like crap. (okay, I spend very little in all other areas because I am Mustashian, so I CAN afford it, but it goes against all my frugal habits.

For instance, I feel good about saving $8 on lunch and $5 on commuting costs to the sacrifices I make. Then I come home to a $200 vet bill, again.

What does the typical dog cost per yr? I've had pets when I was younger and I never remember them needing to go to the vet so many times. (Maybe my mom was cheap?)

Oh btw, pet health insurance is more expensive than what I pay for my own individual plan which is pre-Obama, and non subsidized by any employer or the like.

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2015, 05:58:48 PM »
What breeds and size do you have?  What conditions are they diagnosed with?

I budget $200/month for a 100 lb Great Dane and a 75 lb Weimaraner.  This includes food ($37/35 lb bag for healthy grain free), monthly oral heart worm/other worm preventative, and monthly oral flea/tick preventative, plus whatever's left over is supposed to collect and pay for routine vet care (health checks/vaccinations/etc.)

We pay for emergency vet stuff out of our general emergency fund.

Pet health insurance won't help you with the chronic expenses if your dogs are already diagnosed with expensive chronic conditions.  They do a pre-existing conditions check just like human health insurance used to.

Edit: Also, it sounds like you might not be the one making the decision to take the dogs to the vet?  If you are having a disagreement with someone else about the health of your dogs that's not really something anyone here is going to be able to help you with :/
« Last Edit: February 04, 2015, 06:49:05 PM by caliq »

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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2015, 06:04:30 PM »
How come I can't take some tick medicine so I don't have to worry about ticks in the summer? 

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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2015, 06:07:36 PM »
I haven't had a dog in 4 years now but I looked back over my budgets. In the final 4 years of the dogs life I spent $400, $350, $330, $1100 (final year of life). That is everything. It was a mutt saved off the street that lived to be 16. It had very little health problems.

The dog was nice but I don't miss the responsibility and I'd rather have a better retirement. If you are maxing out your tax advantaged accounts, proper emergency fund then I wouldn't feel so bad. But if you aren't financially secure then I'd feel kind of weird putting a dog's life over mine.

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2015, 06:14:36 PM »
Depends on how much money you throw away-- like me! We get our dog groomed professionally and feed her a half wet canned food, half homemade food diet which is grain and preservative free. To be fair, she's only 12 lbs. But she is 11 or 12 years old and a rescue, and her vet visits amount to about $300 per year usually. This year will be higher (probably about $600) because she has to have an oral surgery done.

Seems to me like you have some very unhealthy dogs, a very expensive vet, or something like that. Wishing you luck resolving it.

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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2015, 06:40:34 PM »
I don't know what's wrong with your dogs, but that sounds ridiculous to me. You say the dogs are healthy, so why are they going to the vet in the first place? It sounds like you're asking to be gouged.

I took my dog to the vet once, just after we adopted it because it was a requirement of the adoption process (free to boot!). Even though the dog was fine, just a little stressed from the move and stuff which is normal, the vet tried to hose us for hundreds of dollars in special food (for the dog's apparently weak stomach), pills for dog depression (are you F'ing kidding me?), and pills for anxiety (because we told the vet that the dog will be home alone for 2-3 days a week due to our work schedule). I told the vet to go pound sand and walked out the door with my dog. Needless to say, I got quite a few dirty looks from the other doggy parents who were there and clearly appeared to believe I am a bad pet parent.

Now, almost two years later and still no vet visits, my dog is still doing great. I feed him high quality food, walk him and run him daily, and made sure he is very well trained and knows his place in the house (at the bottom of the ladder so to speak). He's the happiest and best behaved dog I know, follows me everywhere, gets along great with new people and new dogs, and is so good and easy going I can even take him to work. I haven't seen him to be anxious or depressed and his "weak stomach" seems just fine based on his stool consistency and other indicators.

Unless your dogs are showing clear signs that something is wrong, they don't need to go to the vet. I'm guessing you don't go to the doctor if you feel good.

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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2015, 06:46:27 PM »
I hope your dogs get better ASAP. Some great advice in this thread.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2015, 06:26:45 AM by innerscorecard »

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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2015, 07:39:45 PM »
I have a 160 lbs English Mastiff with hypothyroidism. Between meds and a %50 raw diet, she costs about $1100 per year. I thought the meds were a waste at one point so we stopped. Next thing you know all of her hair fell out and she had no energy. Once she was back on her meds, things returned to normal. So an extra $30/month for the rest of her life is now the norm.

However, we don't do heart worm meds at all and we only do flea meds a month before and after we travel...both against our vet's advice.

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2015, 07:41:56 PM »
It's difficult to know since you have not mentioned what their conditions are and if their treatment is necessary or available from other vets in your area for less. We have pets and they are expensive, however we work with our vet on a reasonable plan if they are ill.  We don't automatically get expensive tests without asking how the treatment would be different without the tests.  For example our cat either has a fairly treatable bowel condition or she has cancer.   In either case cheap prednisone and special food is the treatment plan.   So we saved tons of money on a biopsy, etc. and our vet doesn't make us feel guilty for being reasonable.   

All vets are not the same and some do try and pressure you into things you don't need.

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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2015, 07:52:20 PM »
Without more information, it's pretty hard to comment.  I have two dogs that don't cost me (knock on wood) nearly that much, though both are older and have "issues" (one is prone to ear infections, the other has symptoms of Cushings, though has tested negative for it, so not currently being treated except with some OTC things that reduce symptoms, some question of whether he may develop it as he ages as apparently symptoms can emerge before the dog tests positive...).  My vet does tolerate my using OTC cow wormer (active ingredient:  Ivermectin) as heartworm preventative, in place of much-more-expensive Rx Heartguard (active ingredient:  Ivermectin), giving my own vaccines (available OTC from any farm supply store, except rabies which is once every 3 years and at least where I live must be given by a vet), and I make minimal use of flea/tick treatments, though do use them the ~6 months that fleas and ~3 months that ticks are common, where I live.  Many vets won't "let" you do that (and continue to see/treat your dog). 

I have at (rare) times spent vast(ish) sums on one or another of my dogs, several thousand dollars in a short time if for a treatment that the dog needs.  So it's not that I won't, but I am pretty minimalist in seeking care (unless the dog has symptoms) or monitoring (i.e. checkups).  I don't carry pet insurance.

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2015, 08:03:36 PM »
I have a 160 lbs English Mastiff with hypothyroidism. Between meds and a %50 raw diet, she costs about $1100 per year. I thought the meds were a waste at one point so we stopped. Next thing you know all of her hair fell out and she had no energy. Once she was back on her meds, things returned to normal. So an extra $30/month for the rest of her life is now the norm.

However, we don't do heart worm meds at all and we only do flea meds a month before and after we travel...both against our vet's advice.

I tried something similar with our Great Dane, only it was allergies...she ended up with a raging skin infection (bacteria and yeast) that made her hair fall out and then the yeast skin infection turned into a ...feminine yeast infection/UTI and next thing you know the poor thing is waking us up in the middle of the night with her itching and whining to go out every half an hour.  Luckily I caught it before it turned into a full blown peeing on the floor type UTI -- which has happened before; this poor dog has had 5+ UTIs in her year and a half of life.  That's not normal and obviously a sign of an underlying problem. 

Anyways the point of that whole story was that I can't take my dogs off monthly flea meds because the Dane might have severe flea allergies and we won't know until we run blood tests, which can't be run until she's off the antibiotics and steroids she's currently on for the raging skin infection.

Also my larger point, to the OP and to others, is that you have to make a decision about how much you value your dogs.  For me, they're akin to children.  If they're sick, I take them to the vet, same as I would take my kid to the doctor.  But I don't do it blindly or for every little scratch or odd behavior, so it hasn't been breaking the bank (knock on wood!).

So far, I haven't taken any of them to the vet without them actually needing it (as in, every vet visit outside of vaccinations has resulted in treatment for a specific issue).  I do a lot of research online before I take the dogs in, on breed specific websites and forums (especially the Dane because they are weirdly special snowflakes apparently).  I also did a lot of price comparisons and research on local vets before I picked one.  I don't get heartworm or flea meds from the vet, I get them from an online pet pharmacy that's way cheaper.  And I feed grain free, but not the most expensive brand -- I did a lot of research on that and picked a store brand (4 Health from Tractor Supply) that's made by the same parent company as one of the name brands that costs double.  You can save yourself a lot of money while still providing your dogs with a high quality of care, if you take some time to do your homework.

Plus I'm used to equine vet bills so.....that puts the dogs into perspective :D

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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2015, 09:11:39 PM »
As a veterinarian, I figured I'd chime in on a few things here....

I think we've spent around $3000 so far, mostly vet and specialists for these 'conditions' they have.  They look and act completely healthy.

What are these 'conditions?'  If you're going to specialists, I'd imagine that one or both of these dogs has some pretty serious medical issues... and those can definitely be expensive to thoroughly diagnose and treat.  There's always the option of NOT providing that level of care, as long as you're comfortable with the fact that your outcomes may be different.


Several people mentioned diet..... so I'll just toss out my 2 cents on dog food because this is kind of a pet peeve / soapbox of mine.  Unless you have a dog who is allergic to grain (VERY UNCOMMON - the overwhelming majority of food-allergic dogs are allergic to beef, chicken, or pork), there is absolutely no benefit to feeding a grain-free food.  It's become a huge marketing trend (just like the gluten-free fad in people), but it doesn't have any benefits.  Some people think that the grain-free foods are low-carb, but the carbs that they use to replace the grains (potatoes, tapioca, etc) typically have a higher glycemic index and lower protein levels than the grains.  So, while I wouldn't go so far as to say that grain-free is necessarily a BAD thing, it certainly is not an indicator of a quality food.

Foods I typically recommend?  Eukanuba, Purina ProPlan, Science Diet, Royal Canin.  If those are out of your price range, Iams or Purina One are better low-cost options.   Heck, even Purina Dog Chow has gone through feeding trials (which many of the "grain free" trendy foods have not.)    For some more great info on sorting out science vs hype, check out:

http://www.wsava.org/sites/default/files/Recommendations%20on%20Selecting%20Pet%20Foods.pdf
http://www.wsava.org/sites/default/files/Nutrition%20on%20the%20Internet%20dogs.pdf

Basically, the gist of those handouts is that you need food from a reputable manufacturer that has been put through AAFCO feeding trials.  Many of the trendy new 'boutique' brands don't meet that criteria, so that's something to be aware of.  It amazes me how many of my clients brag to me about feeding Blue or some other food that they think is fabulous quality, then get this look of shock on their face when I tell them that there are cheaper foods that would be higher quality than Blue.  Pet foods are big money and they are an area where you definitely DON'T always get what you pay for.  Many of the trendy companies have a FAR larger marketing budget than research & development budget.... and reading the labels doesn't really tell you anything about the quality of the food.  And also, while I'm on my soapbox, 'byproducts' in food are NOT a bad thing - they're the organ meat from the animals, which is often more nutritious than muscle meat.  The funny thing is that some companies will specifically advertise neato-sounding things like 'chicken liver,' 'chicken heart,' while bashing byproducts, never mentioning that their neato-sounding things ARE byproducts.

(For the record, my dogs - a 10 year old German Shepherd and a 13 year old Pit Bull mix - eat Purina ProPlan because it's a high-quality food that they both like and do well on.  When I first graduated from vet school and was trying to repay debt on $45k/yr, they ate Purina One.... which is still a higher quality food than Blue or many of the boutique brands.) 

I have a 160 lbs English Mastiff with hypothyroidism. Between meds and a %50 raw diet, she costs about $1100 per year. I thought the meds were a waste at one point so we stopped. Next thing you know all of her hair fell out and she had no energy. Once she was back on her meds, things returned to normal. So an extra $30/month for the rest of her life is now the norm.

However, we don't do heart worm meds at all and we only do flea meds a month before and after we travel...both against our vet's advice.

I'd save your money on the diet.  Raw has been demonstrated to give a shinier coat, but that's just a cosmetic benefit - and now that her hypothyroidism is being treated you may not need to do that.  Changing dog foods would save you money on your monthly budget AND decrease the risk of a lot of expensive health issues (Salmonella, Listeria and campylobacter - all of which could also be transmitted to the humans in your home, as well as nutrient deficiencies).  The only documented benefits of raw food diets are increased coat quality and decreased fecal output, and I just can't see that those benefits are good enough to justify the risks. 

When it comes to heartworm prevention, it's a lot cheaper to prevent than to treat.  I've diagnosed/treated enough heartworm positive dogs (at least 2-3/wk for the last 9 years) that I start to get nervous if I think my dogs may be just a couple of days overdue on prevention, but I'm the south and heartworms are VERY common here.  I don't really care whether my clients use flea/tick prevention (fleas are more of a grossness thing than a medical issue unless the dog has flea allergies, and we don't see many ticks in my area), but heartworm prevention is a BIG priority for me because I've seen a number of dogs euthanized due to complications of heartworm disease.  In my mind, heartworm prevention is THE most important piece of veterinary care for dogs (well, aside from rabies, but only because of all the legal ramifications of not being up to date on rabies) and I'd consider it far more important than diet, vaccines, or anything else for that matter.

It's difficult to know since you have not mentioned what their conditions are and if their treatment is necessary or available from other vets in your area for less. We have pets and they are expensive, however we work with our vet on a reasonable plan if they are ill.  We don't automatically get expensive tests without asking how the treatment would be different without the tests.  For example our cat either has a fairly treatable bowel condition or she has cancer.   In either case cheap prednisone and special food is the treatment plan.   So we saved tons of money on a biopsy, etc. and our vet doesn't make us feel guilty for being reasonable.   

All vets are not the same and some do try and pressure you into things you don't need.

This is an excellent example of what I was saying above, about how there are always options in disease management.  We see a LOT of older cats with GI issues, and the two most likely causes are lymphoma or inflammatory bowel disease.  The way to determine which we're dealing with?  Biopsies of the intestinal tract.  But, as I tell my owners, knowing whether it's lymphoma ONLY matters if you're the type of person who'd want to pursue chemo for your cat.  If chemo is off the table, then palliative care for lymphoma and treatment of inflammatory bowel disease are both done with prednisone at similar doses so there's no need to go through the stress and expense of biopsies (unless you're the type of person who just NEEDS answers, and I get that some are like that)!

Last comment, on flea/heartworm preventions:
- Products purchased through online pharmacies are often coming from overseas or are counterfeit, and are not backed by the manufacturer guarantee.  For the most part, they still seem to be relatively effective.  BUT, any preventive problem does have a small risk of failure.  (Think about birth control pills!)  If you're purchasing heartworm prevention from your veterinarian, and their records indicate that you have been coming in every 6 months to buy a 6 pack, the drug company will pay the cost of heartworm treatment (approx $1000, depending on your area/COL) if your dog were to come up positive.   I've only had to have a company do that once, but it sure did make things easier on the client.  If you're purchasing online, that guarantee does not apply and you'd be paying for treatment (or choosing not to treat a potentially life-threatening condition).
- Large animal ivermectin is fine to use, but please be VERY careful.  Ivermectin toxicity is a real issue and we see significant problems when people who are bad at math try to give ivermectin at home. 

Also, please don't use feed store vaccines.  Nearly half of the parvovirus cases that I've treated in my career have been vaccinated with feed store vaccines (the rest were unvaccinated).  I don't think it's the product that's the problem - I think feed stores just aren't equipped to handle those products in the same way that a veterinary clinic is and therefore I don't think they're always kept properly refrigerated.  When we get our daily fridge shipment from UPS, everything is unpacked and in the fridge within an hour.  I've heard stories from people who have worked at Tractor Supply, etc that those boxes sometimes sit in their storeroom for MUCH longer than they should.   As long as your dog doesn't go to boarding, grooming or dog parks, the only vaccine that's needed in addition to rabies is the DAPP (distemper, adenovirus, parvovirus, parainfluenza) and that's also an every-3-years vaccine, so why not just let your vet do it?  It might even be cheaper than doing the feed store vaccines yearly (especially since the ones around me tend to recommend a TON of unnecessary vaccines).
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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2015, 09:39:47 PM »
I can sympathize.  I have taken my cat in for a number of apparent problems that turned out to be extremely minor or resolved themselves within a few days without any intervention.  Vets managed to rack up about $500 each time on X-rays and blood tests in order to determine things like "it's probably stress."  Of course, vets are just doing their jobs, and essentially the costs seem so high because one doesn't generally get medical insurance for pets.

This thread is timely because my cat has been exhibiting rapid, heavy breathing for the past few days, and I think I have no choice but to take him to the vet even though he seems fine otherwise.  I'm hoping that, once again, it's nothing serious, but I don't like what I'm reading online about this symptom

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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2015, 09:47:03 PM »
Our dog is almost eight and only goes in for an annual check-up/shots.  We make her food which is pretty easy.  We do pay for vet insurance, which we have never used (knock on wood).  We also pay for grooming as she has hair that grows rather than fur that sheds.

My parents have a rescue with a very expensive condition requiring leg/knee surgery.  One $3000 operation down and a second to go.

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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2015, 11:41:05 PM »
I don't think pets have to be expensive. They don't need much to be happy. My cat is far more interested in an old cardboard box than a fancy new toy.

I agree with challenging the vet about some of the treatments that they prescribe. I take the advice on board and make my own decision generally but would never cut costs at the expense of my cat.

I would disagree with the PP about the value of a good diet. I have a cat who had skin allergies, GI issues and multiple eye infections and was costing us a fortune. I changed his diet to a high quality, high protein, filler free one and we have had zero issues ever since. But in our case, he did have some food sensitivities so YMMV. We now only visit the vet once a year for annual shots.

The stuff that can go into cheaper pet food is horrendous and IMO a bad diet seems to go hand in hand with poor health. But although we spend more on cat food on a per item basis, I ultimately spend less. Its high quality, high protein food so the cat eats less of it. A bag of cat food can last a couple of months here. That and the reduced vet bills mean that cheap cat food would ultimately be a false economy for us.

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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2015, 02:10:09 AM »
I grew up in the countryside so my take on pets might be a bit different than city dwellers.

My wife and I personally own a 15 year old cat and we have been fortunate that she has not had any real health problems. But where I come from an animal that develops a major health issue is simply put to sleep.

I don't see the point of putting your cat/dog through painful surgery or medication treatments, you can't explain to them that it helps anyway. You'll just stress them out.

So if my pets develop conditions I put them to sleep, no expensive vet bills for me. It would be insane in my mind to put $1000 into an unhealthy cat when you can adopt a new cat for $50 from a shelter.

But I do love having a cat, it's a license to be a butler in your own house ;)

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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2015, 06:17:21 AM »
What does the typical dog cost per yr? I've had pets when I was younger and I never remember them needing to go to the vet so many times. (Maybe my mom was cheap?)

Oh btw, pet health insurance is more expensive than what I pay for my own individual plan which is pre-Obama, and non subsidized by any employer or the like.

I hate to make you feel even shittier than you already do, but you seem to be dealing with a special case.  Our two rescued dogs (a 10-pound poodle mix and a 50-pound boxer mix) cost us probably $600 a year, combined. Now, that was much higher back when we were taking them to daycare once a week for socialization.  Our costs are mainly food.

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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2015, 06:58:44 AM »
Pets can be expensive, but you know what they are a lot cheaper than?  Children.  I can afford to pay the vet bills for our cats.  If we had children, then the entire idea of FIRE would be pretty much impossible for me.

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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2015, 07:07:48 AM »
Yes.  Last year we spend slightly under $2000 for a cat and a dog.  We feed them good food but they always need a visit or two to the vet for something. And the vet will spend whatever you say ok to.    Dog has had ear issues this year and some eye problems.  Dog is 15 pounds.  We love them but probably won't replace once they are gone which should correspond with retirement.  The local kennel charges $40 a night!  Can you believe that?

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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2015, 07:21:46 AM »
Pets are like people.  Some get sick a lot, some don't.

I had one cat in which I probably spent about $15 on various medical issues over its lifetime.  Once I had to back out of being in my friend's wedding because I couldn't afford the bridesmaid dress AND $1000 surgery for my cat.  This was after spending over $1000 on blood tests, MRIs, and Xrays to find out what was wrong.

I had another cat who didn't need anything beyond routine visits until the end of his life (cancer at 15).

Kenneling my dog ended up being $55/night and once I became a roadwarrior it wasn't a good life for the dog so  I ended up rehoming him to a good friend of mine.


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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2015, 09:51:25 AM »
Do what I do and date a veterinarian. Free exams, vaccines, flea/tick/worm prevention. I also bought health insurance for my pup after hearing about the insane amounts of money that they paid out to my roommate. His dog had free stem cell therapy for god sakes thanks to their insurance.

Only downside is that she makes me buy expensive, high quality food.

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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2015, 09:57:39 AM »
Yes.  Last year we spend slightly under $2000 for a cat and a dog.  We feed them good food but they always need a visit or two to the vet for something. And the vet will spend whatever you say ok to.    Dog has had ear issues this year and some eye problems.  Dog is 15 pounds.  We love them but probably won't replace once they are gone which should correspond with retirement.  The local kennel charges $40 a night!  Can you believe that?

Man, I'm in the same place. Love my dog as if he were my child (okay, maybe not *that* much), but I probably won't be looking to get another pet for a while once he eventually passes.

We have a large dog (90lbs), and the price of medications goes up with the weight of the pet. O.o  We had a ton of things go wrong last year and paid something like $8k in vet costs, with the majority of that being emergency surgery for bloat (not exactly a "shop around for" kind of thing...).

Before getting the dog, I did a fair bit of research, and my best guess answer for basic yearly costs was around $1200. Welp, now we're paying around that for one continuing medication for his liver. Ah, the joys of pet ownership. Besides the liver thing, though, everything else was random/flukey - had two different types of worms  before he came to us, apparently, and the first vet we had charged an arm and a leg for medication (in addition to messing up and giving us the wrong medication once), and then the bloat...but heck, even our first visit to the vet was over $500 somehow, and it was a basic checkup (minus bloodwork even, since he had some bloodwork done a month or two prior). We've since changed vets, and may need to change again...as is, we're budgeting for more like $3600/year for dog food, meds, and vets, which is mind-boggling.

Do what I do and date a veterinarian. Free exams, vaccines, flea/tick/worm prevention. I also bought health insurance for my pup after hearing about the insane amounts of money that they paid out to my roommate. His dog had free stem cell therapy for god sakes thanks to their insurance.

Only downside is that she makes me buy expensive, high quality food.

Hmmm, that's a possibility. My husband may not approve, though.  :(

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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2015, 10:00:09 AM »
This is one of the reasons I don't have pets (anymore).  I had bunnies for a long time (my oldest one just passed away in August and she was 12/13ish).  Aside from all the work and all the mess (and all the damage to my hardwood floors), I just don't think I could stomach the unpredictable vet bills (i.e., they eat something, or get injured, or get sick)....it would be a mighty tough decision to be faced with thousands and thousands in vet bills.   I don't want to put myself in that position again.

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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2015, 10:01:28 AM »
I think (touchwood) that we are blessed with the pet. He's a trained working (guard) German Shepherd that lives outside all year round, both as a pet and as a deterrent to any more potential burglars. The only vet bills incurred have been when he caught mange from a fox that ventured into our garden, and the time his paw had to be treated after he stood on a loose nail.

That being said, even if his vet costs etc... were quite a bit higher than they are now, I'd still see it as an opportunity cost I'm willing to pay for in order to have him. :)

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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2015, 10:04:58 AM »
Do what I do and date a veterinarian. Free exams, vaccines, flea/tick/worm prevention. I also bought health insurance for my pup after hearing about the insane amounts of money that they paid out to my roommate. His dog had free stem cell therapy for god sakes thanks to their insurance.

Only downside is that she makes me buy expensive, high quality food.

Took my dog to the vet on Thursday for an issue he'd been having. (He very rarely has issues) We have to go back again tonight. Maybe I'll have to see if the cute vet is available for a date. ;)

I don't spend a lot on my pet. Yearly checkup, monthly worm pill (which I can probably stop now that we don't go to the park anymore), and occasional additional vet visits averaging every 2 years. Food is not terribly expensive, and my vet says it's fine. He's got plenty of toys, but prefers sticks and a kong, which lasts a few years (I've only had to replace it once). I may average 100/month at most, unless you count boarding expenses... then it's maybe 250/month on average.
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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2015, 10:10:29 AM »
As a veterinarian, I figured I'd chime in on a few things here....

i love a good lengthy post full of awesome info.



what about cats? is fancy feast okay? my lil monster says that's her fav

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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2015, 10:16:28 AM »
Not all vets are created equal. If you feel that your bills are ridiculous, consider asking around about a cheaper vet and get a second opinion.

When I first moved to the States, we took our cat to a vet that our rich friends recommended. All of the equipment was top of the line - laser beams and things like that. And, of course, all of the bills were extra high - but I didn't really know what things cost in the States, so I rolled with it.

Then my dear old rescued stray came down with kidney disease. She was maybe 15 years old at the time (but who knows, since she was a stray). The vet handed me a pamphlet for a cat kidney transplant.

My reaction was to laugh and say, "What? This is a thing?"
My vet very seriously said, "Yes. Many owners feel that it's worth it to prolong their cat's life."
I asked, "How much is it?"
Answer: "It would be in the range of $20,000 - $30,000."
I asked, "Where does the new kidney come from? Some other cat, right?"
Answer: "Yes. Usually it's harvested from a cat at the pound."
I stared, incredulous at her and said, "You want me to pay you tens of thousands of dollars to steal some poor cat's organs and stick them in my elderly cat?"
She sputtered a bit and said something along the lines of, "We just feel our clients should be aware of all of the options so that they can make the best decision."
Then she told me that if I didn't treat the cat, she would almost certainly die within 6 months, so if I didn't want to take care of her properly, I should take her to the pound.
I asked her if she thought the pound was going to give my cat a kidney transplant.

After that, I walked out and found a vet who wasn't a greedy moron.

My cat lived for another 3 years.

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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2015, 10:21:54 AM »
Our 17 year old cat is one of those perpetually healthy pets that doesn't seem to have changed at all in about 5 years (since we moved out of our apartment and he lost 5 lbs in one month).  Aside from flea medication a couple months of the year he has had no issues.

There were a couple of bouts of vet visits a few years ago, and we love our cat.  But if/when some major health issues come up, we just won't be forking over thousands of dollars to stretch his life out by a few months.  He is 17 and goes outdoors all the time in a neighbourhood that is full of coyotes and raccoons.  I fully expect that one day he just won't be as wily as he always has been, and won't come home. 

I have had more than one person express shock at my casual expectation that he will someday become coyote chow, but the alternative is to 'trap' him inside the house (a house with 5 doors and two young boys - if he wants to get out he will).  He doesn't hunt anymore (not fast enough/doesn't try), so the bird population has nothing to fear.  And honestly I think he'd rather go out fighting than on chemo.

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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2015, 10:31:44 AM »
Dating a vet will definitely get a you a discount, but usually not free care :)  My current job is the most generous I've had, and I get everything at cost.... but given the number of pets that we provide care for (we have 2 dogs & 2 horses, and also provide the vet care for my in-laws' cat, 2 dogs and 2 horses in exchange for cheap horse boarding) we spend about $125/month on veterinary care.  Most of that ($75/month) is in arthritis and anti-seizure meds for my 13 year old Pit Bull mix... but still, the others aren't free!  (Well, my exams are, but that's about it!)

And as for kidney transplants, yes it's a thing.  I've never even mentioned it to a client because I think it's insane, but I have had some clients ask about it.... all change their mind once looking into it.  And you have to guarantee that you'll provide lifelong care for the pound cat, so it isn't viewed as 'harvesting' but instead as a way to provide a good home for a shelter cat that would otherwise be euthanized.  Ethically, I'm totally okay with it.  I just think it's a completely ridiculous and impractical idea from a financial standpoint.


what about cats? is fancy feast okay? my lil monster says that's her fav


My favorites for cats are still Purina ProPlan, Science Diet, Royal Canin, and Eukanuba, but Fancy Feast is made by Purina and therefore still a great option if that's what price or your cat's palate dictates :)  Their canned foods are actually one of the first things I'll recommend for diabetic cats whose owners don't want to do a prescription food, because they're very high-protein/low-carb while still being nutritionally complete. (Again, there are plenty of overpriced trendy pet foods that advertise those same features but lack the nutritionally-balanced aspect!)

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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2015, 10:34:04 AM »
As a veterinarian, I figured I'd chime in on a few things here....

i love a good lengthy post full of awesome info.



what about cats? is fancy feast okay? my lil monster says that's her fav

Agreed, that was awesome!!! Thanks startingsmall!

OP, I would absolutely shop around for a vet. See if you can get recommendations from friends. I like ours, he's like a mile from our house and really doesn't seem to push exorbitant spending (or charge exorbitant rates). Our pet costs went up a lot last year because in June we found a stray puppy and kept it (to add to our 11-year-old 50-lb dog, who is awesome and has been very low cost), but even then most of the costs were me signing us up for tons of obedience training because she's a total shit head :) Like, we found her on a Friday, and were going out of town for the weekend so we just dropped her off at the vet and were like "here, fix this dog... we'll pick her up on Monday." Looking back at Mint we paid $125 for the weekend of boarding, deworming (she was soooo wormy), and I think that might have even included the first round of shots? Pretty good deal if you ask me.

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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2015, 10:37:32 AM »
Our rescue dog is also expensive.  We adopted him several years ago when he was 6-ish years old.  He was super low maintenance and cost until last August when he was diagnosed with an Osteo-Sarcoma in his right rear leg.  We were pretty devastated, especially after reading the internet (go figure).  We then spent about $1,200 having a veterinary oncologist do a full diagnosis and staging of his cancer.  Then came the research, discussions and negotiations - both between my wife and I and between us and our veterinarians. 
Ultimately got quotes from the 2 veterinary hospitals that were capable of doing the rear leg amputation.  Almost $1,000 difference in price ($2,300 v $3,200) for the surgery.  Then all of the possible courses of treatment for his cancer.  There were plenty of options, if money had been no object, but we carefully explained to our vet that we have to balance our financial realities with our desire to take the best possible care of our dog.  She was open and agreeable, although not all are. 
We did the amputation and he is doing very well 6 months later.  he is very happy, still loves his 2x daily walks and is basically the same dog we adopted (sans 1 leg).  We know that his cancer will almost certainly return metastasized in his lungs and we will have to say goodbye much sooner than we would like, but for now we are all happy and healthy together.

Anyhow, to the OP, the lessons we learned were ask LOTS and LOTS of questions, price shop whenever possible, negotiate, and then do the best you can with the money available.  Another poster mentioned asking very specifically how the outcome of a particular test will change, or not, the course of treatment and I 100000% agree with this.  We have avoided several expensive tests, and been convinced to have a few based on this question alone. 

Best of luck to you and your dogs!


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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2015, 10:41:19 AM »
I track pet expenses pretty closely (small dog):

2013 Total - $1,152 (including non-recurring $275 adoption donation and $450 for extended boarding during overseas trip)
2014 Total - $  489
2015  YTD - $  228 (vet visit/shots only so far)

Love and companionship...Priceless :)

As far as saving money on vet fees, has anyone used one of those 'low-cost vaccination' clinics (usually at pet stores)? 

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« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2015, 10:45:59 AM »
As far as saving money on vet fees, has anyone used one of those 'low-cost vaccination' clinics (usually at pet stores)?

We actually get all of our vaccinations at the local Humane Society.  They do a vaccination clinic once a week and it saves us a good amount of money, mostly by avoiding the office visit fee for the Vet to do it.

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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2015, 11:37:20 AM »
As far as saving money on vet fees, has anyone used one of those 'low-cost vaccination' clinics (usually at pet stores)?

I would steer clear of these.  It will typically appear as though you're saving big bucks because you aren't paying for the exam... but they often push unnecessary vaccines and/or shortened vaccination intervals.  Also, you aren't getting the physical exam - which is by far the most important part of your yearly vet visit.

For example, I checked out the Petco clinics here - http://www.vetcoclinics.com/services-and-clinics/vaccination-packages-and-prices/
Their "healthy dog" package is $62 for a distemper/parvo vaccine, bordetella vaccine, lepto vaccine, and dewormer.     Lepto vaccine is not indicated for most dogs, bordetella is only indicated for dogs who go to kennels or the groomer, and dewormer is not needed if you're on heartworm prevention.  So, if you were coming into the clinic where I work (and I work in a relatively high-COL area), you'd get just the exam every year ($53/year) and a 3-year distemper vaccine ($50ish, I think) every 3 years.  So your total cost would come out the same... but you'd also be getting a thorough physical exam every year AND building a relationship with a vet (who will be much more likely to get your pet in quickly in case of illness/emergency than if you have to call in as a non-client).  Of course, I'd also argue that you need yearly heartworm testing and year-round heartworm prevention, and I'd rather see your money spent on that than on the distemper vaccine (assuming this is an adult dog who has had several prior sets of vaccination), but still... for the sake of comparison, you really aren't saving much at the low-cost clinics and you're losing a LOT in terms of value.  Just in the last few weeks, I've had patients come in for annual exams where I have found ear infections, severe dental infections, oral melanoma, and abdominal cancer.... and that's just on the exam alone.  The exam is BY FAR the most important part of your yearly vet visit... everything else is secondary.  Your pets can't tell you when they hurt like your spouse/kid/etc can.
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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2015, 11:38:46 AM »
As far as saving money on vet fees, has anyone used one of those 'low-cost vaccination' clinics (usually at pet stores)?

We actually get all of our vaccinations at the local Humane Society.  They do a vaccination clinic once a week and it saves us a good amount of money, mostly by avoiding the office visit fee for the Vet to do it.

You're not paying an office visit fee for the pet to give the vaccines.  You're paying the fee for the pet to do a complete physical exam, ensure that there aren't any other health concerns that need to be addressed, and ensure that your pet is healthy enough to be given the vaccines.

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« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2015, 12:06:14 PM »
Having just had to put one of our cats to sleep last week I read this thread with interest.  We have seven currently (used to be ten) who range in age from 18 to 8.  Like other posters our theory on vet visits is "if the treatment will buy years, we'll consider it."  One cat had a thyroid problem.  A pill works and he's healthy and happy two years later.  Another had liver cancer, and our vet told us that even if we ran the treatment gamut it would give him maybe four months at best.  It was sad but the choice was made.  I have an acquaintance who poured thousands of dollars she really didn't have into keeping not one, but TWO 19-year-old cats alive for incredibly selfish reasons.  When they're old and sick, shoving pills down their throats and sticking needles in them is cruel and they suffer.  I will NEVER do that to any of my beasts.

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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2015, 12:27:11 PM »
Having just had to put one of our cats to sleep last week I read this thread with interest.  We have seven currently (used to be ten) who range in age from 18 to 8.  Like other posters our theory on vet visits is "if the treatment will buy years, we'll consider it."  One cat had a thyroid problem.  A pill works and he's healthy and happy two years later.  Another had liver cancer, and our vet told us that even if we ran the treatment gamut it would give him maybe four months at best.  It was sad but the choice was made.  I have an acquaintance who poured thousands of dollars she really didn't have into keeping not one, but TWO 19-year-old cats alive for incredibly selfish reasons.  When they're old and sick, shoving pills down their throats and sticking needles in them is cruel and they suffer.  I will NEVER do that to any of my beasts.

I'd never do it to myself, either! 4 months of suffering vs. peaceful farewell now...yeah, I know what I would want. :)


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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2015, 01:22:46 PM »
Having just had to put one of our cats to sleep last week I read this thread with interest.  We have seven currently (used to be ten) who range in age from 18 to 8.  Like other posters our theory on vet visits is "if the treatment will buy years, we'll consider it."  One cat had a thyroid problem.  A pill works and he's healthy and happy two years later.  Another had liver cancer, and our vet told us that even if we ran the treatment gamut it would give him maybe four months at best.  It was sad but the choice was made.  I have an acquaintance who poured thousands of dollars she really didn't have into keeping not one, but TWO 19-year-old cats alive for incredibly selfish reasons.  When they're old and sick, shoving pills down their throats and sticking needles in them is cruel and they suffer.  I will NEVER do that to any of my beasts.

That's always my litmus test- am I doing this for me, or for the animal? Especially if they're in a great deal of pain. It's not like they can rationalize that.

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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2015, 01:37:43 PM »
Look/ask around for recommendations. Don't be afraid to try other areas. I drive 45 minutes to my vet because it's soooo much cheaper than the vet 5 minutes away or any of the ones in a bigger city. For instance - my 12yo yellow lab had some lipomas. One the size of a football on his side. I elected to have it removed - $150 at my normal vet. He had another one a year later that would soon affect his urinary system. Short on time, I took him to the local vet. Was told they'd have to do a full workup, wouldn't give me a price so I said ballpark it. Minimum(!) $500 - $2000! I walked out. Normal vet - $150 again, and that's with an overnight stay.

I looked at the average spending over the last 4 years - $30/mo for the vet (includes everything - vaccinations, surgery, heartworm and tick), $60 including food.

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« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2015, 01:48:03 PM »
Having just had to put one of our cats to sleep last week I read this thread with interest.  We have seven currently (used to be ten) who range in age from 18 to 8.  Like other posters our theory on vet visits is "if the treatment will buy years, we'll consider it."  One cat had a thyroid problem.  A pill works and he's healthy and happy two years later.  Another had liver cancer, and our vet told us that even if we ran the treatment gamut it would give him maybe four months at best.  It was sad but the choice was made.  I have an acquaintance who poured thousands of dollars she really didn't have into keeping not one, but TWO 19-year-old cats alive for incredibly selfish reasons.  When they're old and sick, shoving pills down their throats and sticking needles in them is cruel and they suffer.  I will NEVER do that to any of my beasts.

I had a cat who suffered kidney failure at the age of 13.  We had to give her fluid treatments twice a day, but we managed to keep the cost relatively low by ordering our supplies from Drs. Foster and Smith online.  It gave us another year with her before we had to put her to sleep.  For me, it was worth the effort, but I can see how other people might not see it that way.  Her quality of life was very good for that extra year, though, so no regrets for me.

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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2015, 02:32:13 PM »
For instance - my 12yo yellow lab had some lipomas. One the size of a football on his side. I elected to have it removed - $150 at my normal vet. He had another one a year later that would soon affect his urinary system. Short on time, I took him to the local vet. Was told they'd have to do a full workup, wouldn't give me a price so I said ballpark it. Minimum(!) $500 - $2000! I walked out. Normal vet - $150 again, and that's with an overnight stay.

I'm all for price-shopping on surgeries and other big expenses, but make sure that you're comparing apples to apples (or at least not sacrificing on whatever things matter to you).  The $150 mass removal likely was so cheap because it did not include pre-anesthetic bloodwork, an IV catheter, histopathology (biopsy), etc.  Your dog may or may not have received pain meds during or after surgery.  There's usually a HUGE difference between a $150 mass removal and a $500 mass removal, so just realize that you likely aren't comparing 2 identical surgeries.  I've worked at cheap clinics and I've worked at more expensive clinics, and I definitely feel that the pets at the 'expensive clinics' were safer due to pre-anesthetic bloodwork, IV catheter which would allow for emergency drugs in a crisis, better anesthetic monitoring, better pain meds, etc.  If cost is a concern and you want to cut corners that's absolutely your decision, but make sure that you know the difference so that you can make an educated decision.  (When clients ask me why we cost so much more than the cheapo spay-neuter clinics and say we're rippping them off, I give them the above speech... and sometimes, if they still don't get it, I tack on a comparison between The Ritz-Carlton and Motel 6, or Ruth's Chris and McDonalds.)   There IS almost always a significant difference in care between the cheap vet and the higher-end vets.  Neither is right or wrong, but you need to acknowledge/understand that difference in order to make an educated decision.

For what it's worth, I always tell people that the good clinics in an area are typically more likely to be the average-priced clinics.  The most expensive clinic in town is usually a ripoff (unless it's staffed by specialists), the cheapest clinics are normally chop shops that I would never trust with my own pet (cheap, but low quality).  The good clinics normally fall into the middle price range.

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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2015, 02:47:59 PM »
We obtained our last two dogs from the rescue shelter (RSPCA) and they both came with a health guarantee which we didn't need to use. My wife and I walk their asses off, so they are super fit and very healthy. Annual operating costs are low, with last year being $1100 for the both of them covering food, immunisations and worming tablets. Sure, the vet tries to upsell us expensive and unnecessary treatments sometimes when we visit him, like teeth cleaning under sedation for dogs whose teeth are in better condition than I've ever seen for dogs their age, but I just nod my head and say I will think about it then promply ignore it.

In terms of essentiality in our annual budget, when reviewing our expenses last year I tried categorising dog costs as a discretionary expense to my family and I was literally hounded (pun intended) out of the room! Dogs are now a permanent fixture in the essential category group in our ER budget.

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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2015, 02:57:18 PM »
Not all vets are created equal. If you feel that your bills are ridiculous, consider asking around about a cheaper vet and get a second opinion.

+1, except I'd replace the word "cheaper" with "better." I've had experiences with some vets where, while I won't stoop to calling them dishonest, I'd definitely say they tried to use our love for our dog to their financial advantage.

I remember several years ago when our dog (an 8 year old GSP) developed a growth on his neck. It was right after we adopted him and were still shopping around for a vet. The vet we took him to in order to remove the growth recommended that we have it biopsied ($400) "just in case" it was cancerous, even though he said it probably wasn't. (This was also the vet who scheduled the removal of the growth for the late afternoon when we brought him in early morning, and suggested we kennel him at the vet for the day - for a fee, of course.) We declined. Our dog is still with us.

On the opposite end we had great experience once with an emergency vet. Our dog was staying with friends (we opted to do remote quarantine instead of the real deal when we moved to HI) and managed to unlatch their fence the first night, went out roaming and got hit by a car (at low speed, thankfully). The emergency vet did a physical exam and told us that it didn't feel like anything was broken, but would do x-rays if it put our minds at ease. We deferred to his medical opinion so he just stitched up the couple of cuts and sent us home with some antibiotics. Once again, our dog is still with us.

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« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2015, 03:22:03 PM »
... pills for dog depression (are you F'ing kidding me?), and pills for anxiety (because we told the vet that the dog will be home alone for 2-3 days a week due to our work schedule).

While it seems pretty obvious that these suggestions for your dog were way off the mark, I'd suggest in general don't knock the idea of anti-depressents/anti-anxiety meds for a pet who truly could benefit from them. When we adopted our dog from the SPCA, they told us that he had been adopted out the week before but the guy brought him back due to a newly discovered dog allergy. Within an hour of walking out with our new dog, we discovered that was a load of shit. Turns out our dog came with a nasty case of separation anxiety, and whenever he was left alone (even for a couple of minutes) he would work himself into such a state where anything in his body would come right out. (Have you ever had to clean explosive dog diarhhea out of the cab of a truck? Neither have I, as my hubby likes to occassionally remind me.)

We had a rough couple of months where we couldn't both leave the house at the same time, and the few times we tried we'd come home to a dog worked up in a frenzy and a kennel full of...well, I'll leave that to your imagination. We finally found a vet who recommended Prozac and it was like night and day. It helped control the worst of his symptoms while we worked through the anxiety. He stayed on the Prozac for about a year and now seven years later we only see remnants of his anxiety rarely, and only in certain situations. For the most part he is a healthy, happy dog, and the Prozac had a LOT to do with that.

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« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2015, 03:57:35 PM »
For the most part he is a healthy, happy dog, and the Prozac had a LOT to do with that.

Generic Prozac is dirt cheap too.  My vet gave me a prescription for 60 10mg pills and it less than $9 from CVS.  I'm sure it would be even cheaper from Walmart or Target.  Of course, I do not recommend drugging up pets willy nilly and in place of behavioral modification.  But sometimes, after doing all you can and your pet is still suffering--some chemical assistance is needed.  I separated my cats for 5 months after one of them went nuts (redirected aggression due to seeing another cat outside) and repeatedly attacked her sister. I don't mean the regular sibling slapping episodes, I mean full on psychotic tantrums--they left me in tears.  I didn't want to rehome one of the cats nor did I want to live forever in a small 1 bedroom apartment while separating the cats from each other.

The vet recommended 5mg daily but I eventually settled on 2.5mg every other day.  Just enough to take the edge off but not zombify my skittish cat.  I paid under $18 for 120 pills last fall and I expect the purchase to last for a couple of years.

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« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2015, 05:17:22 PM »
My sweet kitty of 17 years had to be put down earlier this week. She was frail for a couple years. I made the decision from the start that she would get palliative care. The original vet I used was great in that they were open lots of hours and ran their labs in house and such - But, they were crazy expensive, didn't seem to understand the idea of palliative care vs. a whole bunch of invasive and expensive tests (on a very geriatric cat). They tended to push expensive stuff ("She needs her teeth cleaned. In order to clean her teeth she has to be sedated. In order to be sedated she has to have $400 worth of labs done first, and xrays. The xrays are $100 and the teeth cleaning is $400.)  They misdiagnosed her twice (said she had stomach cancer and hyperthyroidism). I finally switched to an "old school" vet who was recommended by several neighbors. First, his basic office visit charge was about 1/2 of that cost of the other practice, and he didn't suggest excessive tests and such because he understood that there was no point in having endoscopy or chemotherapy or whatever for a 16 year old cat. On Monday I spent $300 for a housecall vet come to euthanize the cat at home after she stopped eating and drinking for a few days.

My cat lived almost 3 years past the time the original vet said that she had cancer and would die "soon." Cost definitely did not equate with ability or skill for that vet practice.

I have my first dog - just over a year now. Now, she is expensive! Food costs way more (70 pound Golden Retreiver), and I need a walker or doggie daycare at least some of the time due to my work hours and winter weather (otherwise she can hang out in the backyard). And spaying and heartworm meds. First year and last year of life are very expensive for pets (adoption fees, shots, spay/neuter, plus all the supplies).


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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2015, 05:30:42 PM »
My sweet kitty of 17 years had to be put down earlier this week. She was frail for a couple years. I made the decision from the start that she would get palliative care. The original vet I used was great in that they were open lots of hours and ran their labs in house and such - But, they were crazy expensive, didn't seem to understand the idea of palliative care vs. a whole bunch of invasive and expensive tests (on a very geriatric cat). They tended to push expensive stuff ("She needs her teeth cleaned. In order to clean her teeth she has to be sedated. In order to be sedated she has to have $400 worth of labs done first, and xrays. The xrays are $100 and the teeth cleaning is $400.)  They misdiagnosed her twice (said she had stomach cancer and hyperthyroidism). I finally switched to an "old school" vet who was recommended by several neighbors. First, his basic office visit charge was about 1/2 of that cost of the other practice, and he didn't suggest excessive tests and such because he understood that there was no point in having endoscopy or chemotherapy or whatever for a 16 year old cat. On Monday I spent $300 for a housecall vet come to euthanize the cat at home after she stopped eating and drinking for a few days.

My cat lived almost 3 years past the time the original vet said that she had cancer and would die "soon." Cost definitely did not equate with ability or skill for that vet practice.

I have my first dog - just over a year now. Now, she is expensive! Food costs way more (70 pound Golden Retreiver), and I need a walker or doggie daycare at least some of the time due to my work hours and winter weather (otherwise she can hang out in the backyard). And spaying and heartworm meds. First year and last year of life are very expensive for pets (adoption fees, shots, spay/neuter, plus all the supplies).

So sorry to hear about your kitty :(

I totally understand the sentiment about palliative care, though.  We're of the same mindset and definitely prioritize our pets' physical comfort over any "extra" time we could get with painful/expensive treatments like chemo.

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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2015, 06:20:13 PM »
I have a 15 yo cat that is currently having issues. We've had him since he was 2. He's been very healthy, except for a UTI several years ago.

He's had a problem with one of his paws for the past few months. The pads and skin around them is raw and won't heal. If not kept bandaged he licks at it until it  bleeds. He's been to the vet a few times and on antibiotics and prednisone with no improvement. We finally had a biopsy done last week and it came back as atypical lymphoid proliferation. Did bloodwork, some xrays and ultrasound. He has some questionable spots on his liver.

The vet is going to get back to me in a couple days. Except for the bandaged paw he is acting normal and eating and such. We have about $700 into all this so far. This vet has reasonable prices and has given us some discounts along the way. As far as treatment for this, it depends. He is 15 after all and has had a good life. We will see what keeps him comfortable and happy.

I used to have horses, they are very very expensive when they break!!

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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2015, 08:43:30 PM »
Our dogs haven't been all that expensive:

- The dog we got last summer cost us about $500 over the first couple months -- rescue fee, trip to the spay/neuter clinic, initial trips to the vet, comfortable bed, leash and collar, flea and heartworm meds, obedience classes. 

- Now that he's established in our household, we're paying about $20-25/month for food, treats and the occasional toy.  He does have something of a delicate tummy, but we've found a mid-level food with a good list of ingredients, and he seems to be doing well with it.  He's a little guy, so he doesn't eat so much. 

- We purposefully chose a short-haired dog who's easy to bathe at home, and he doesn't require expensive grooming.  I afraid of trimming his nails, so I am taking him in to Pet Smart to have that done every other month -- $12/trip.   

- Our old girl WAS a bit expensive in her last six months.  She began having seizures, and we took her to the doctor.  I admit to being a bit relieved when the doctor said she almost certainly had a brain tumor, which was causing the seizures, and there was no treatment, especially given her age.  We tried some medication, but I don't know whether it did her any good or not.  She was MUCH too thin, so we started giving her canned food -- it helped a bit.  We spent as much on her in that last six months as we had spent in a typical 2-3   year period earlier in her life.





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Re: Pets are so expensive
« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2015, 08:55:23 PM »
... pills for dog depression (are you F'ing kidding me?), and pills for anxiety (because we told the vet that the dog will be home alone for 2-3 days a week due to our work schedule).

While it seems pretty obvious that these suggestions for your dog were way off the mark, I'd suggest in general don't knock the idea of anti-depressents/anti-anxiety meds for a pet who truly could benefit from them. When we adopted our dog from the SPCA, they told us that he had been adopted out the week before but the guy brought him back due to a newly discovered dog allergy. Within an hour of walking out with our new dog, we discovered that was a load of shit. Turns out our dog came with a nasty case of separation anxiety, and whenever he was left alone (even for a couple of minutes) he would work himself into such a state where anything in his body would come right out. (Have you ever had to clean explosive dog diarhhea out of the cab of a truck? Neither have I, as my hubby likes to occassionally remind me.)

We had a rough couple of months where we couldn't both leave the house at the same time, and the few times we tried we'd come home to a dog worked up in a frenzy and a kennel full of...well, I'll leave that to your imagination. We finally found a vet who recommended Prozac and it was like night and day. It helped control the worst of his symptoms while we worked through the anxiety. He stayed on the Prozac for about a year and now seven years later we only see remnants of his anxiety rarely, and only in certain situations. For the most part he is a healthy, happy dog, and the Prozac had a LOT to do with that.

One of my cats was on Prozac for a while, until she started having some side effects.  We took her off it, and she did much better than she had before.  The vet thought with our frequent moves she was too stressed and the prozac helped her regain her equilibrium.  For the next couple moves we got short term prescriptions for valium, which we gave for about 2 weeks around the move.  It worked really well.