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Matt K

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Percolators
« on: November 16, 2012, 09:06:11 AM »
Following on the thread about Kuerigs, I'm curious if people are seeing other trends in the home coffee world? In particular, are percolators really gaining hipster coffee loving cred?

The only time I ever drank coffee from a percolator was during camping trips, and it was not what we'd call good. I can't blame the coffee maker for that, since I think we used the cheapest pre-ground coffee we could find. But it did colour my perspective of them.

Anyways, I was in a local hardware store that just happens to be located in little italy, and is thus the place to buy high end coffee making gear. They had a selection of swanky looking percolators going for twice the price of the swanky french presses. A few days later I read (either on life hacker or boing-boing) that percolators do in fact make an awesome cup of coffee...

In the kuerig thread a lot of people spread love for kuerigs, french presses, aeropresses, and even good old fahsioned drip-filters (and a few for skipping coffee all-together). But I didn't see anyone spreading love for percolators. So, any Mustachians love their coffee from a percolator?

Side story: My father in law recently wanted to pick up a coffee maker capable of making 15 - 20 cups, but he couldn't find one. Eventually he walked into a resteraunt supply store, and for $20 they sold him a 55 cup tower that looks right out of the 1950s. He now makes huge batches of mighty awesome coffee in that thing. If you need to caffienate a crowd, that thing is fantastic.

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Re: Percolators
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2012, 10:10:03 AM »
Very common to find percolators being used in Church Land - sounds like the same kind as what your father-in-law bought.  Like your camping trip coffee, it's hard to judge the quality of it, because they mostly use fairly cheap coffee, and with different people making the coffee each week for coffee hour, the quantities of coffee used may fluctuate.  Generally I haven't enjoyed that coffee very much!  But maybe with better coffee you get better coffee!

I would be very happy to come across an inexpensive percolator, maybe even a used one.  My friend has a separate one that dedicated to apple cider.  She puts cut up oranges and cinnamon sticks and other spices in the big ring at the top where you'd normally put the coffee grounds, and lets the apple cider percolate through the spices before serving.  If you live in a climate where a warm drink for kids and adults is much appreciated, and often have a crowd to serve, it's a lovely thing.  And it makes the house smell SO good!

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Re: Percolators
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2012, 11:44:41 AM »
I suspect the high-end Italien percs were some variety of Moke pot? I have one (got for free from my dad), and I like it. I'll make an Americano (add hot water) if I want something less strong than a shot of espresso.

I also have poor memories of percolator coffee, but I was pleasantly surprised with the quality this produces.

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Re: Percolators
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2012, 12:26:45 PM »
Hipsters are mostly into French presses and pourover, so far as I see in Brooklyn. Coffee nerds like the Aeropress. People spend a lot of money on the grinder, as opposed to the brewing equipment.

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Re: Percolators
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2012, 12:35:33 PM »
PJ - yes it is pretty much the same thing that all the local churches use.

Mark - That's the thing! They had a couple of different visual styles (some had a dome at the top so you could see the coffee splooshing up (splooshing is a word now), but they had oen that looked exactly like the wikipedia photo.

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Re: Percolators
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2012, 01:30:23 PM »
I'm noticing a wonderful trend that many Mustachians are obsessed with coffee...I knew there was I reason I was so drawn to it...

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Re: Percolators
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2012, 03:08:13 PM »
I am certainly not a coffee expert, but from the decent amount I know about coffee and the large amount that I know about all-grain home brewing, this seems like the worst way to make coffee with the possible exception of throwing the grounds into a pot of boiling water.
The biggest issue is the high temperature- nearly boiling. That can lead to excessive extraction of tannins and a supremely bitter cup of joe. If you've ever left a tea bag steeping for way too long in your cup of hot water, you know what tannins taste like. Incidentally, if you are using boiling water in your french press you may be doing the same thing do a lesser extent. Letting the water cool for a few minutes (say to 190F?) will improve the flavor. So, with the percolator not only are you exposing the grounds to nearly boiling water, you're doing it over and over again as the coffee recycles.

Also, you're going to lose a lot of aroma compounds. When the percolator sits on your counter boiling and condensing your coffee over and over, it is essentially acting like a distillation column and is stripping those precious aromatics out of the coffee and into the headspace of the pot, then out they go.

Finally, the engineer/scientist in me hates the fact that the strength of the coffee you brew is a function of time. I suppose you could use a timer and do a series of experiments to optimize for your own personal taste, but that's a lot to keep track of, especially before you've had your morning coffee.

Also, with regard to cheap coffee: My parents drink Folgers. Always have, always will. For a while they were on a percolator kick and I got to reap the benefits when I visited. They also have a cheap 4 cup auto-drip coffee maker. I can say definitively that the auto-drip coffee, while still not great, is noticeably better tasting than the percolator coffee.

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Re: Percolators
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2012, 03:43:21 PM »
I suspect the high-end Italien percs were some variety of Moke pot? I have one (got for free from my dad), and I like it. I'll make an Americano (add hot water) if I want something less strong than a shot of espresso.


YES.  We use an Italian coffee maker (like the Moka pot) in our home and it makes a fantastic espresso.  I frequently see inexpensive ones at places like TJ Maxx in the home wares section.

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Re: Percolators
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2012, 03:46:49 PM »
I have one and I love it. It's perfect for when you want bitter European coffee. When I want smooth coffee, I just use the french press! They both have a place in my kitchen for sure.

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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2012, 07:52:29 PM »
I find I prefer a dark roast in the Moki and light roast in my french press.

This conversation reminds me that a friend recently got a mechanical espresso machine (found under a sink at work). Similar to this. We still have yet to try it out.

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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2012, 10:48:03 AM »
I find I prefer a dark roast in the Moki and light roast in my french press.

This conversation reminds me that a friend recently got a mechanical espresso machine (found under a sink at work). Similar to this. We still have yet to try it out.

That is so cool! I've never seen a unit like that before.


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Re: Percolators
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2012, 01:59:58 PM »
I'm a huge fan of the aeropress.  It does use a little more coffee than other methods, but the taste is fantastic!  I also enjoy the manual routine every morning, and that it's easy to clean when I go camping.  I originally bought it for camping, but it's elbowed out the french press and moka pot at home, because it tastes so much better!  I like a strong cup of drip coffee that's not bitter, and the aeropress delivers.

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Re: Percolators
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2013, 06:07:06 PM »
Our family has tried many different coffee makers, and we are loving our percolator. First, the coffee is always piping hot. With a french press, the coffee cools off too fast for my tastes. I like to take my time with the coffee, so I need to start from a high temp. Second, it is very efficient. I'm using much less coffee beans than before. Third, it is all stainless steel. We didn't want any plastic leaching into the coffee. Fourth, it is an efficient use of counter space. Fifth, I like the classic design.

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Re: Percolators
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2013, 12:38:45 PM »
I suspect the high-end Italien percs were some variety of Moke pot? I have one (got for free from my dad), and I like it. I'll make an Americano (add hot water) if I want something less strong than a shot of espresso.


YES.  We use an Italian coffee maker (like the Moka pot) in our home and it makes a fantastic espresso.  I frequently see inexpensive ones at places like TJ Maxx in the home wares section.

Just to be clear the stop top espresso makers (Moka pot) are not percolators. Percolator coffee usually taste like crap bc it sits and boils and becomes bitter. The espresso makers force steam through the grounds and only boil the coffee if you leave it on too long.

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Re: Percolators
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2013, 09:18:16 AM »
I am certainly not a coffee expert, but from the decent amount I know about coffee and the large amount that I know about all-grain home brewing, this seems like the worst way to make coffee with the possible exception of throwing the grounds into a pot of boiling water.
The biggest issue is the high temperature- nearly boiling. That can lead to excessive extraction of tannins and a supremely bitter cup of joe. If you've ever left a tea bag steeping for way too long in your cup of hot water, you know what tannins taste like. Incidentally, if you are using boiling water in your french press you may be doing the same thing do a lesser extent. Letting the water cool for a few minutes (say to 190F?) will improve the flavor. So, with the percolator not only are you exposing the grounds to nearly boiling water, you're doing it over and over again as the coffee recycles.

Also, you're going to lose a lot of aroma compounds. When the percolator sits on your counter boiling and condensing your coffee over and over, it is essentially acting like a distillation column and is stripping those precious aromatics out of the coffee and into the headspace of the pot, then out they go.

Finally, the engineer/scientist in me hates the fact that the strength of the coffee you brew is a function of time. I suppose you could use a timer and do a series of experiments to optimize for your own personal taste, but that's a lot to keep track of, especially before you've had your morning coffee.

Also, with regard to cheap coffee: My parents drink Folgers. Always have, always will. For a while they were on a percolator kick and I got to reap the benefits when I visited. They also have a cheap 4 cup auto-drip coffee maker. I can say definitively that the auto-drip coffee, while still not great, is noticeably better tasting than the percolator coffee.

Just wanted to say that for a "not a coffee expert" post, this guy knows his shit about coffee. Percolaters do make pretty bad coffee, but I like my french press, moka pot, and espresso machine so heavy bias there.

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Re: Percolators
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2013, 08:32:30 PM »
I am certainly not a coffee expert, but from the decent amount I know about coffee and the large amount that I know about all-grain home brewing, this seems like the worst way to make coffee with the possible exception of throwing the grounds into a pot of boiling water.
The biggest issue is the high temperature- nearly boiling. That can lead to excessive extraction of tannins and a supremely bitter cup of joe. If you've ever left a tea bag steeping for way too long in your cup of hot water, you know what tannins taste like. Incidentally, if you are using boiling water in your french press you may be doing the same thing do a lesser extent. Letting the water cool for a few minutes (say to 190F?) will improve the flavor. So, with the percolator not only are you exposing the grounds to nearly boiling water, you're doing it over and over again as the coffee recycles.

Also, you're going to lose a lot of aroma compounds. When the percolator sits on your counter boiling and condensing your coffee over and over, it is essentially acting like a distillation column and is stripping those precious aromatics out of the coffee and into the headspace of the pot, then out they go.

Finally, the engineer/scientist in me hates the fact that the strength of the coffee you brew is a function of time. I suppose you could use a timer and do a series of experiments to optimize for your own personal taste, but that's a lot to keep track of, especially before you've had your morning coffee.

Some reasonable hypotheses, but not quite accurate, I'm afraid. No biggie, I'm here to help.  :-)

Tannins aren't an issue with coffee the way they are with teas or homebrewing, and water that's just under boiling (198-204 degF) won't result in a bitter cup of coffee.  It's not the temperature that determines coffee bitterness.  It's the water to coffee ratio and the quality of the coffee to begin with.  It's all about extraction.

If you use too little coffee (say 4 grams per 6oz cup, instead of, say, 11 grams), you will overextract and get bitter coffee.  Similarly, if the coffee is stale, and the aromatics have been long gone, all that's left is the bitter crap.

Strength isn't really a function of time.  For one, it depends on your definition of "strength".  If you simply mean full of flavor, then each brewing method has its ideal extraction times (the same way each has an optimal grind fineness).  At some point you will begin to overextract.  That's not really "strength", it's just overextracted.

For most press or filter type brewers, 4 minutes is a good extraction time.   It's what I use in my French press and Clever Coffee Dripper (a filter cone that doesn't drain until you place it on a cup).  For the Moka Pot (which I really like) I try to keep it the same.  Note: Moka pots do not make espresso.  They make a terrific concentrated coffee, but it's unfortunately not real espresso.

I can't speak for a percolator.  I've never used one, but I suspect it could make perfectly good coffee as long as you unplug it/turn it off at the appropriate time (so you don't get the scenario Schwartz described).  And as long as you use good quality coffee to start with, of course.

Just today I placed my first Mustachian order for coffee.  20 lbs of green (unroasted) coffee at an average of $5.50/lb.  I used to purchase in smaller quantities, but now buy in bulk to save money.

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Re: Percolators
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2013, 10:33:05 PM »
Wow, thanks guys. Favorite coffee of my life was the leftover sludgy dregs left at the end of the day in the percolator we used for artist hospitality at a summer job.  Now I know I've really got get on finding a used one before they become the next big thing with the hipsters.

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Re: Percolators
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2013, 10:36:15 PM »
Funny, I got a Tassimo coffee maker for Christmas... the first thing I bought after Christmas was a French Press... I love my new Bodum French Press :)

 

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