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Paleo anyone?
« on: July 02, 2014, 12:06:20 PM »
Dear Friends,

I started the Paleo eating plan a week or so ago.

Curious if anyone here has incorporated this into their conscious living methods and what success they have. 

I really like the concept -- eat lots of veggies,  eat healthy unprocessed fats, stay away from processed foods and have a moderate amount of animal protein.   All the studies of people who have done it look great and the success stories are awesome.

Please tell us if you have had success of problems?

Thank you in advance,

Bob Werner

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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2014, 01:17:50 PM »
Your description of it is just common sense for a healthful life. I don't see how you can go wrong. Keep us posted!

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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2014, 01:33:51 PM »
We went "mostly Paleo" almost a year ago.  It's been great for us.

One thing that really stuck out for me recently is that I have not gotten sick once since we started eating better.  I never got sick all that often, but now it's just not something I even think about.

It can be expensive though.  But there are ways to hack it down to a less-obscene cost.  We spend less now than plenty of people that seem to live on Pop Tarts and Dr. Pepper.

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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2014, 01:34:37 PM »
I'm not following any strict guidelines, but I've done something similar for about 9 months. Basic principles for me are:

-tons of veggies.
-some fruit.
-tons of protein (quinoa, eggs, nuts, fish, a little bit of meat, etc.)
-tons of good fat (olive oil, dairy, etc.)
-virtually no processed crap.
-virtually no sugar (other than natural sugars from stuff above). Fill in with a bit of dark chocolate or honey as needed.
-virtually no carbs (other than natural carbs from stuff above) other than liquid ones from a few beers here and there.

It might be paleo, but I really just used previous knowledge, the book superfoods, and this MMM post as my guideline: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/04/18/the-amazing-waist-slimming-wallet-fattening-nutrient/

It was hard at first, but within 2 weeks I felt like a new/younger man and those feelings made it very easy to keep going. Went to the doctor for a general checkup 7 months in. Weight was down, blood pressure was down, and overall everything was great.

No problems other than some waste in the household since I'm the only one doing it. It's tough to cook separate meals and we do end up with a higher grocery bill/waste component because of this. It's worth it.

Good luck!

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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2014, 03:02:12 PM »
We mainly do paleo too and it has worked for us.

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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2014, 03:31:22 PM »
I've been paleo for about 11 years, long before it became popular. I'm nowhere near strict, though I go through some times where I buckle down. Overall, I'm in excellent health at 37. I'm lean, strong, look pretty decent for my age, and feel better at 37 than 20.

It can be done fairly cheaply, especially if you start to introduce some form of starch back in your diet. I find that after 11 years of doing this, I can go off the wagon pretty badly and not feel the ill effects like when I first started this lifestyle and went off the wagon.

I ordered a 1/2 grassfed beef, a whole pastured lamb, buy whole chickens from the same farmer (and make my own homemade stock from each chicken), belong to a CSA, etc. Meal planning is very important.

I do now include rice, potatoes, and oats now and then.

Any increased costs I think gets outweighed on the very little you will spend on your healthcare. I'm on no meds, and pretty much never get anything more serious than an occasional cold.

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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2014, 03:57:27 PM »
I tried it but couldnt keep it up due to the planning needed and also one other reason.   I need a lot of carbs for exercise.  Bought a book on Paleo for the athlete but it was pretty complicated.  My new thing is sort of a modified version, where I generally just try to avoid processed foods when possible.  I'm also not a big meat eater so that made it a little tough too.  I wish someone would publish a book of paleo type meals and foods with little or no preparation, spoilage, and ready on the go.  That would help me.

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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2014, 04:12:37 PM »
I'm not following any strict guidelines, but I've done something similar for about 9 months. Basic principles for me are:

-tons of veggies.
-some fruit.
-tons of protein (quinoa, eggs, nuts, fish, a little bit of meat, etc.)
-tons of good fat (olive oil, dairy, etc.)
-virtually no processed crap.
-virtually no sugar (other than natural sugars from stuff above). Fill in with a bit of dark chocolate or honey as needed.
-virtually no carbs (other than natural carbs from stuff above) other than liquid ones from a few beers here and there.

It might be paleo, but I really just used previous knowledge, the book superfoods, and this MMM post as my guideline: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/04/18/the-amazing-waist-slimming-wallet-fattening-nutrient/

It was hard at first, but within 2 weeks I felt like a new/younger man and those feelings made it very easy to keep going. Went to the doctor for a general checkup 7 months in. Weight was down, blood pressure was down, and overall everything was great.

No problems other than some waste in the household since I'm the only one doing it. It's tough to cook separate meals and we do end up with a higher grocery bill/waste component because of this. It's worth it.

Good luck!
+1! CheddarStacker, you should come over for dinner! We eat an almost identical diet, which is our frugal version of Paleo. We were doing Paleo, but the cost of meat and dairy is just too high--so, we've opted for the vegan(ish) version. We eat cheap frozen salmon from Costco and other meat if it's on super sale, but otherwise we find it cheaper to stick with the non-meat or dairy proteins and TONS of veggies.

We've got our grocery bill down to about $35/week (some weeks higher, some lower) for two adults with occasional runs to Costco to stock up on bulk quinoa, rice, lentils, dried fruit, and dark chocolate (yum). And, our food waste is almost nil because we buy our fresh fruit and veggies in small quantities each week.

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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2014, 07:58:38 PM »
I tried something very close to paleo about 2 years ago. I got terrible gout on that diet, due to all the meat (the purines in the meat caused my gout). I probably have a genetic predisposition for gout but all the same I would be careful if you have anyone in your family that suffers from it. After seeing 3 different doctors I was referred to a rheumatologist who helped me control the gout through diet alone (no gout since controlling for diet). I now diet using calorie restriction maintaining sensible carb/protein/fat proportions and all essential micro nutrients which works for me.

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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2014, 09:33:07 PM »
I've been doing paleo with varying degrees of strictness for over 7 years now.  Overall I feel great and continue to make athletic gains throughout the years.  It can get expensive, particularly if you're a pretty active person who needs a lot of calories just to maintain every day.  I have found the most frugal option for an excellent source of protein and fat is eggs.  I eat five eggs for breakfast every morning and another two hard-boiled as a snack in the afternoon.  Combine that with meat usually for lunch and dinner, a couple of non-paleo protein shakes before and after workouts, and a ton of vegetables, fruits, and nuts and it seems excellent for me.

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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2014, 09:50:21 PM »
I tried something very close to paleo about 2 years ago. I got terrible gout on that diet, due to all the meat (the purines in the meat caused my gout). I probably have a genetic predisposition for gout but all the same I would be careful if you have anyone in your family that suffers from it. After seeing 3 different doctors I was referred to a rheumatologist who helped me control the gout through diet alone (no gout since controlling for diet). I now diet using calorie restriction maintaining sensible carb/protein/fat proportions and all essential micro nutrients which works for me.

I'd be willing to bet it was excess fructose that was causing you gout problems.  Our ancestors ate rich, fatty meat and didn't get gout.

http://chriskresser.com/will-eating-a-paleo-diet-cause-gout

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« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2014, 10:10:19 PM »
I eat all the paleo stuff but I also eat rice, potatoes, and some other carbs. I tried going very low carb but it felt off and digestion wasn't so good. Now I try to do carb cycling: some days eat very low carbs and some days as much as I want.

I'm kinda skeptical of the grain and carb hating part of the paleo diet, 'cause without that you just have plain old healthy food diet. I think it's good for people to experiment and see what works for them though.

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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2014, 11:22:57 PM »
I've been eating paleo/ancestral/evolutionary diet for a few years now and have gradually incorporated stuff from GAPS, Weston Price, Perfect Health diet and others. I still avoid almost all grains, processed food, sugar and seed oils. I feel great but our grocery bill last month was $1,400 and that was AFTER dropping a lot of organic produce. I can't honestly blame it all on paleo, a lot of it is convenience foods, but the greater emphasis on meat means $11.99/lb wild salmon, $5.99/lb grassfed ground beef, and bacon ($4.99/12oz) or sausages ($2.99/12oz) every morning for breakfast. I realize this is just how I've done it and there are much cheaper ways and I need to learn!

My goal for this month is to drop groceries to $150/wk, $600/mo. Here was my day today:

Breakfast
decaf coffee with whole milk
homemade whole milk yogurt with cranberries and a drizzle of honey
1/4 cup oatmeal with grassfed butter
2 soft-boiled eggs
2 strips bacon
1 strawberry

Morning snack
decaf coffee black

Lunch
salmon salad (canned pink salmon, celery, corn, 1 egg, olive oil, salt, black pepper, vinegar)
green leaf lettuce

Afternoon snack
decaf coffee black

Dinner
2 pork italian sausages with marinara sauce
steamed diced beets and carrots topped with red wine vinegar
corn on the cob with grassfed butter

Evening Snack
homemade whole milk yogurt with a drizzle of honey

I'd love to see what people are actually eating meal to meal.

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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2014, 12:49:31 AM »
I'd be willing to bet it was excess fructose that was causing you gout problems.  Our ancestors ate rich, fatty meat and didn't get gout.

http://chriskresser.com/will-eating-a-paleo-diet-cause-gout
There are not too many wild game animals that have high fat content.  Further to that, catching game animals was very difficult and hunts often ended unsuccessfully.  It is unlikely our ancestors ate a lot of the type of high fat red meat many people today choose to eat whilst on the paleo diet.

Fish, mussels and crustaceans were obviously easier to catch and collect but many ancient peoples did not even have access to bodies of water sufficient to support sustained fishing and would have therefore eaten very little of this type of food.  Add to that the fact a lot of seafood today like mussels, sardines, etc are factory farmed and have higher levels of fat than their ocean brethren and it isn't hard to make the argument that too much of todays' seafood isn't a great thing either.

I'm not saying the paleo diet is bad, I follow the basic idea myself, but I do find that most people today tend to eat way way too much meat in the belief that our "hunter gatherer" ancestors gorged themselves daily on meat so it must be a good thing.  That belief is just plain wrong.

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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2014, 05:59:29 AM »
My wife and I just recently stopped doing strict paleo after about 3.5 years of being on it.   It seems to have become more prevalent now that CrossFit has become a bigger name in the fitness industry. The Paleo principle isn't that you're eating fatty, red meats all the time; more that you're not eating dairy or processed grains and legumes.  Meat, veggies and fruits are essentially what's left over and therefore what you're eating. 

Meal planning is key to success in Paleo, and you're going to find yourself spending a long time prepping and cooking your food (probably more so than you're currently used to).  We used to have problems coming up with new side dishes for the proteins actually; there's a ton of meat recipes out there.  If you're not exercising regularly you can still lose weight by going on Paleo (through a similar concept to Atkins), however once you go off Paleo, odds are you're going to feel terrible initially and the weight will come right back.  If you're going to follow the program then you need to stick with it as a life style change as opposed to a "diet".

Paleo's not worth the expense IMHO, clean eating (mostly) coupled with exercise and you can achieve good results as well.  Unless you're a peak athlete who depends on being in peak shape for performance based goals I'd skip the Paleo and just commit yourself to eating lots of fruits and veggies, cut out the pop & junk food, and get as much exercise as you can (this doesn't mean going to the gym all the time, but being active). 


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« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2014, 05:59:58 AM »
I eat low carb which ends up being similar to Paleo but with dairy.  I started because my blood sugar was consistently a little high - sort of pre-pre-diabetic.  At that point I had been eating a "healthy whole-grains diet" which was not doing me much good.  A year later I had great blood values, my elevated uric acid (i.e. gout) was back to normal, my triglycerides were way down, my GERD was gone, my sore joints (first thing in the morning) were gone.

I don't find it that expensive, and my health is worth the investment.  A lot of most people's food costs is junk food.  I doubt most people on the Forums are spending much on junk food anyway, so we won't see the costs go down as much as those going from the Standard American Diet will.  I eat lots of non-starchy vegetables (right now sugar snap peas and broccoli from the garden), moderate amounts of meat, eggs and cheese and fat, and a bit of fruit.  The only real change was cutting out starches, especially grains, but mostly I don't miss them.  I do miss ice cream in the really hot weather.  Stir-fry is just as yummy without the rice, chili is just as good without the kidney beans.  Soft drinks?  Lemonade (home-made, not the store-bought full of sugar) is much more thirst-quenching, or cold water.

I have lots of energy, and as a gardener I do a fair bit of heavy physical labour - I am moving large quantities of soil around right now, just me and my shovel.  When I stop each day it is because of the heat, not because of fatigue.

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« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2014, 06:20:26 AM »
I tried something very close to paleo about 2 years ago. I got terrible gout on that diet, due to all the meat (the purines in the meat caused my gout). I probably have a genetic predisposition for gout but all the same I would be careful if you have anyone in your family that suffers from it. After seeing 3 different doctors I was referred to a rheumatologist who helped me control the gout through diet alone (no gout since controlling for diet). I now diet using calorie restriction maintaining sensible carb/protein/fat proportions and all essential micro nutrients which works for me.

I'd be willing to bet it was excess fructose that was causing you gout problems.  Our ancestors ate rich, fatty meat and didn't get gout.

http://chriskresser.com/will-eating-a-paleo-diet-cause-gout

Actually I don't really think there is enough evidence to show that my ancestors ate what is called for in the paleo diet. I eat tons of fructose in fruit all the time and it doesn't cause me any gout whatsoever, but I have seen some new studies that show a possible fructose linkage, I would like to see more experiments before deriving any conclusions. I found the two biggest causes of gout episodes were alcohol and purine rich foods (meat, lentils etc.) which jives with medical consensus around the disease. However that said I was told not to cease eating meat because it is still good for me in recommended proportions by a Doctor who specializes in that area.

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« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2014, 07:33:05 AM »
I've been paleo for several years now. That combined with Eat Stop Eat has kept me in six pack condition at 40 years old when most of my peers look like they are 8 months pregnant.

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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2014, 08:48:27 AM »
Actually I don't really think there is enough evidence to show that my ancestors ate what is called for in the paleo diet. I eat tons of fructose in fruit all the time and it doesn't cause me any gout whatsoever, but I have seen some new studies that show a possible fructose linkage, I would like to see more experiments before deriving any conclusions. I found the two biggest causes of gout episodes were alcohol and purine rich foods (meat, lentils etc.) which jives with medical consensus around the disease. However that said I was told not to cease eating meat because it is still good for me in recommended proportions by a Doctor who specializes in that area.

Most of our ancestors didn't eat what's touted as paleo today. Hunting was a lot smaller portion of the food source than vegetation. If you want to know the long term effects of the paleo diet on people, don't try to look to our ancestors or the modern Inuit, look at the Inuit tribes from 100 years ago. The conclusion about the modern weight and health issues being linked to the modern diet is partially right, but the problem is the processed foods, not the rejection of the old diet. Before the introduction of the Western diet, the average lifespan of those people who lived on a high protein high fat diet was maybe 60 years with greatly accelerated aging. These people also had plenty of health problems, including such severe constipation that culturally they created the most powerful spirit in their mythology: Matshishkapeu - which literally translates into English as "fart man." Their lifespan and aging process actually got longer with the introduction of complex carbohydrates, even if the processed crap started hacking it back down.

Gout is the least of the long term problems with paleo. There's also a longer term increased risk of kidney stones, gall stones, atherosclerosis, and stroke. My father essentially ate paleo for the past decade in a very rigid and disciplined manner to manage his diabetes without using insulin or drugs. He's currently recovering from a stroke that was directly linked to his diet.

The theory of paleo isn't wrong. We should be eating closer to what our ancestors ate (including no refined sugars and minimal refined carbohydrates), but that diet was mostly vegetarian and had a lot of natural complex carbohydrates, not meat. Look at the health and lifespan studies of the Seventh Day Adventists. Look at the pre-industrial Inuit (there's plenty of research). Look at the recent findings of the Neanderthal. Look at the Amazonian Yanomamö and the Trobriander of PNG. Look into the limited studies regarding the difference between regular and (properly) kosher meats. We as a species have had varying degrees throughout the people to adapting to and managing the digestion of meat, but that just means we suffer fewer ill effects. There's still ill effects. Our digestive system is primarily geared for mostly vegetarian foodstuffs, but just as we've adapted to meats, we're not strictly amylase producing starch-eaters either. My problem with paleo is the conclusion, as it's inconsistent with the general data.

Modern, processed foods and refined sugars are a source of early death in our diet, but so is heavy meat intake. Our ancestors sprouted or fermented their grains before cooking, there's your first major difference. There were no huge food refineries to produce processed foodstuffs, there's your second major difference. I have no doubt that there's a variation of meat to carb ratio amongst people. I myself do poorly on a pure vegetarian diet. However, the key is moderation in all things, and avoiding processed foods - not swinging hard into carnivore or herbivore territory. The immediate positive effects of paleo eaters are linked to just eating better and less refined crap in the diet. It's the same sort of reinvigoration that whole-food eating vegetarians get initially. Rejection of the Standard American Diet is the common link.

Ignore the fad diets and just eat simple, healthy foods. We're omnivores who need both carbohydrates and protein to properly function. Eat as such.
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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2014, 10:55:58 AM »
I've been Paleo for over 2 years now.  I was always a "healthy eater" and super-active (weights, cardio, rock climbing, snowboarding, martial arts, etc, etc), but my cholesterol numbers, while not crazy bad, were concerning.  Year over year since I went Paleo (I follow the SealFit/Mountain Athlete mantra of " be strict 85% of the time, the other 15% cheat like a mofo") my bloodwork numbers have improved dramatically.  Bad cholesterol down, good cholesterol up, trigyclerides in the barely detectable range.  I also got far leaner than I was.  I was always pretty buff, but in a "puffier" kind of way (not excessively).  Paleo eating has made me a solid frame of lean muscle mass.  I sleep better than I ever did.

I'm a believer.  I know there are naysayers who question the "science" and the evolutionary biology underpinnings of Paleo, but it doesn't matter one bit to me because the proof, as they say, is in the (sugar-free, preservative-free) pudding.

There are several variants of Paleo/Primal eating adherents.  Probably the biggest divide is the dairy vs. non-dairy.  I follow Mark Sisson's "if you can tolerate it, eat/drink it" rule so far as dairy (milk, cheese, yogurt, etc) goes, and I choose only full fat offerings (no lowfat, skim, etc), and try to get raw where I can (easy for cheese, not so easy for milk).

I also opt for organic when it comes to the "Dirty Dozen" fruits and vegetables, and only buy pasture-raised grass-fed beef (it's much harder - and more expensive - to get the same for pork and chicken, so I go for organic when I can, and free-range on the birds -- Trader Joe's has organic, free range chicken that is reasonably priced).

It costs me more than if I just went with conventionally raised meat and produce, but (a) I can afford it, and (b) I think it's worth it.

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Most of our ancestors didn't eat what's touted as paleo today. Hunting was a lot smaller portion of the food source than vegetation. If you want to know the long term effects of the paleo diet on people, don't try to look to our ancestors or the modern Inuit, look at the Inuit tribes from 100 years ago. The conclusion about the modern weight and health issues being linked to the modern diet is partially right, but the problem is the processed foods, not the rejection of the old diet. Before the introduction of the Western diet, the average lifespan of those people who lived on a high protein high fat diet was maybe 60 years with greatly accelerated aging. These people also had plenty of health problems, including such severe constipation that culturally they created the most powerful spirit in their mythology: Matshishkapeu - which literally translates into English as "fart man." Their lifespan and aging process actually got longer with the introduction of complex carbohydrates, even if the processed crap started hacking it back down.

Gout is the least of the long term problems with paleo. There's also a longer term increased risk of kidney stones, gall stones, atherosclerosis, and stroke. My father essentially ate paleo for the past decade in a very rigid and disciplined manner to manage his diabetes without using insulin or drugs. He's currently recovering from a stroke that was directly linked to his diet.

The theory of paleo isn't wrong. We should be eating closer to what our ancestors ate (including no refined sugars and minimal refined carbohydrates), but that diet was mostly vegetarian and had a lot of natural complex carbohydrates, not meat. Look at the health and lifespan studies of the Seventh Day Adventists. Look at the pre-industrial Inuit (there's plenty of research). Look at the recent findings of the Neanderthal. Look at the Amazonian Yanomamö and the Trobriander of PNG. Look into the limited studies regarding the difference between regular and (properly) kosher meats. We as a species have had varying degrees throughout the people to adapting to and managing the digestion of meat, but that just means we suffer fewer ill effects. There's still ill effects. Our digestive system is primarily geared for mostly vegetarian foodstuffs, but just as we've adapted to meats, we're not strictly amylase producing starch-eaters either. My problem with paleo is the conclusion, as it's inconsistent with the general data.

Modern, processed foods and refined sugars are a source of early death in our diet, but so is heavy meat intake. Our ancestors sprouted or fermented their grains before cooking, there's your first major difference. There were no huge food refineries to produce processed foodstuffs, there's your second major difference. I have no doubt that there's a variation of meat to carb ratio amongst people. I myself do poorly on a pure vegetarian diet. However, the key is moderation in all things, and avoiding processed foods - not swinging hard into carnivore or herbivore territory. The immediate positive effects of paleo eaters are linked to just eating better and less refined crap in the diet. It's the same sort of reinvigoration that whole-food eating vegetarians get initially. Rejection of the Standard American Diet is the common link.

Ignore the fad diets and just eat simple, healthy foods. We're omnivores who need both carbohydrates and protein to properly function. Eat as such.

This is one of the most balanced and reasonable discussions of diet I have read in a long time.  It seems like lately that there is a vegan vs. paleo war going on - it all sounds like religious dogma with no definitive science to back it up. 

"Eat food, not too much, mostly plants" - That pretty much covers it IMO.

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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2014, 11:16:40 AM »
Meal planning is key to success in Paleo, and you're going to find yourself spending a long time prepping and cooking your food (probably more so than you're currently used to).   

I don't understand this at all (not just you, as others have said this as well).  I find it utterly simple and no more work at all than conventional cooking.  I suppose if you're not used to cooking your own meals (or eating out of boxes), then it could seem like more work.  I've found no difference in "planning" Paleo meals than non-Paleo meals.  It's pretty simple to cook a protein (meat, chicken, fish), and steam/sautee/roast a veggie or two.  If weight loss isn't a concern, then white rice (in many forms - fried, couscous style, risotto, etc), sweet potato or cassava/yucca as a carb.  It's really friggin' easy.  Also, curries are your friend.  Buy cans of red, green, yellow, masaman curry paste and cans of coconut milk and keep a supply in your pantry.  You can make ridiculously good curries with these starters and virtually any ingredients (I also use fish sauce and rice wine vinegar and tamari for extra depth of flavor) in less than a half hour.

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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2014, 11:24:54 AM »
In my pre-healthy eating days, plenty of my "meals" were a peanut butter sandwich or pasta with ketchup squirted on top.  I can definitely say that meal planning has become critical.  It takes 30 seconds to make a PB sandwich, and less than 10 minutes to make pasta, and ingredients for both are rather shelf-stable and you can buy a month's supply every month without blinking.  The same cannot be said for making maple chili pork chops or roasting a chicken or even firing up a stir-fry.

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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2014, 11:31:01 AM »
In my pre-healthy eating days, plenty of my "meals" were a peanut butter sandwich or pasta with ketchup squirted on top.  I can definitely say that meal planning has become critical.  It takes 30 seconds to make a PB sandwich, and less than 10 minutes to make pasta, and ingredients for both are rather shelf-stable and you can buy a month's supply every month without blinking.  The same cannot be said for making maple chili pork chops or roasting a chicken or even firing up a stir-fry.

I have to push back on the stir-fry.

Buy frozen veggies. Buy eggs. Buy olive oil and soy sauce. Cook veggies in olive oil, add eggs, add soy sauce. Healthy 10 minute meal. All the ingredients keep for a long time and it is a cheap as hell meal that takes 10 minutes.

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Re: Paleo anyone?
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2014, 11:36:05 AM »
I've been trying to eat a lot more veggies and go to the gym 3x a week plus bike commute to work. I'm overweight and have had zero luck loosing any of the excess weight.

I don't buy junk food, none, at all. I do still eat bread (no pasta really, I've found it doesn't fill me up). Maybe that is my problem.

Any recommendations on how to get started trying paleo?

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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2014, 11:45:58 AM »
In my pre-healthy eating days, plenty of my "meals" were a peanut butter sandwich or pasta with ketchup squirted on top.  I can definitely say that meal planning has become critical.  It takes 30 seconds to make a PB sandwich, and less than 10 minutes to make pasta, and ingredients for both are rather shelf-stable and you can buy a month's supply every month without blinking.  The same cannot be said for making maple chili pork chops or roasting a chicken or even firing up a stir-fry.

I have to push back on the stir-fry.

Buy frozen veggies. Buy eggs. Buy olive oil and soy sauce. Cook veggies in olive oil, add eggs, add soy sauce. Healthy 10 minute meal. All the ingredients keep for a long time and it is a cheap as hell meal that takes 10 minutes.
Hot damn, I love to be proven wrong.  What frozen veggies do you use?  I think we only ever really buy broccoli or cauliflower frozen.

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Re: Paleo anyone?
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2014, 11:55:55 AM »
My wife said she tried this years ago and it mostly just made her moody and irritable.

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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2014, 12:04:08 PM »
Primarily paleo (modified i suppose) since September....I've lost 60 lbs, come off multiple medications, sleep and move easier/better, and the gerd and chest pain are essentially gone.

typical daily intake:

Breakfast, more often than not its 2 whole eggs and 4-6 pieces of bacon.

Lunch, Either a Salad with vinegar/coconut milk dressing or a serving of meat with whatever sauteed vegetables are offered (company cafeteria).

Dinner, is usually a big portion of cabbage/broccoli/cauliflower cooked in coconut oil and a protein.

Snacks are a no sugar added greek yogurt, nuts, 70% dark chocolate, and maybe 1-2 pieces of fruit (I have a thing for frozen bananas covered in dark chocolate, but try to control this).

My diet is more about the control of Insulin by NOT eating sugar/wheat/processed carbs. 

Since beginning to lose the weight and with the improved feeling of health I have started walking...a lot.  At least a mile or two every night and much more when time allows.  It is showing on the whole family and has started to change our outlook.

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Re: Paleo anyone?
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2014, 12:11:24 PM »
I've been trying to eat a lot more veggies and go to the gym 3x a week plus bike commute to work. I'm overweight and have had zero luck loosing any of the excess weight.

I don't buy junk food, none, at all. I do still eat bread (no pasta really, I've found it doesn't fill me up). Maybe that is my problem.

Any recommendations on how to get started trying paleo?

I don't do paleo so I can't comment specifically about that. Here's what I would suggest though:
-Skip the bread for the most part. You need carbs, but there are better delivery systems than bread. Rolled oats are great, and plenty of fruits have carbs.
-Avoid nearly all sugars that don't naturally come with good food. There is sugar in almost everything now days - take a look at a peanut butter label. It's scary. Buy natural peanut butter or make your own.
-If you need the crunch provided by carb type foods, go with almonds or carrots. Celery with natural (sometimes homemade) peanut butter is perfect.
-Eat tons of protein, nuts, vegetables, high fat dairy and oils.


I'd love to see what people are actually eating meal to meal.

Habilis, my ideal day which happens 3-4 times a week is this:

Breakfast - Omelet made with heavy coconut/olive oil, broccoli, orange/red peppers, onions/celery, a bit of sausage/bacon, 2 eggs, cheddar cheese melted on top.

Lunch - HUGE salad. Instead of crutons and other crap, I add sunflower seeds and raisins/craisins on top.

Dinner - Stir fry. Peppers, onions, oils, cinnamon, honey, quinoa, whatever. (and I agree this shouldn't take more than 10 minutes to prep)

Snack - Oatmeal made with rolled oats, milk, peanut butter, honey, dark chocolate. Or Yogurt with blueberries.

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Re: Paleo anyone?
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2014, 12:21:18 PM »
Primarily paleo (modified i suppose) since September....I've lost 60 lbs, come off multiple medications, sleep and move easier/better, and the gerd and chest pain are essentially gone.

typical daily intake:

Breakfast, more often than not its 2 whole eggs and 4-6 pieces of bacon.

Lunch, Either a Salad with vinegar/coconut milk dressing or a serving of meat with whatever sauteed vegetables are offered (company cafeteria).

Dinner, is usually a big portion of cabbage/broccoli/cauliflower cooked in coconut oil and a protein.

Snacks are a no sugar added greek yogurt, nuts, 70% dark chocolate, and maybe 1-2 pieces of fruit (I have a thing for frozen bananas covered in dark chocolate, but try to control this).

My diet is more about the control of Insulin by NOT eating sugar/wheat/processed carbs. 

Since beginning to lose the weight and with the improved feeling of health I have started walking...a lot.  At least a mile or two every night and much more when time allows.  It is showing on the whole family and has started to change our outlook.


Good for you!  Glad to hear this as I am hoping to get in shape.

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Re: Paleo anyone?
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2014, 12:55:53 PM »
In my pre-healthy eating days, plenty of my "meals" were a peanut butter sandwich or pasta with ketchup squirted on top.  I can definitely say that meal planning has become critical.  It takes 30 seconds to make a PB sandwich, and less than 10 minutes to make pasta, and ingredients for both are rather shelf-stable and you can buy a month's supply every month without blinking.  The same cannot be said for making maple chili pork chops or roasting a chicken or even firing up a stir-fry.

I have to push back on the stir-fry.

Buy frozen veggies. Buy eggs. Buy olive oil and soy sauce. Cook veggies in olive oil, add eggs, add soy sauce. Healthy 10 minute meal. All the ingredients keep for a long time and it is a cheap as hell meal that takes 10 minutes.
Hot damn, I love to be proven wrong.  What frozen veggies do you use?  I think we only ever really buy broccoli or cauliflower frozen.

I use an asian/oriental mix. My local shops happen to have it. I think it's like 2.99 a bag. I use half a bag for one serving with two eggs. Cook the vege's covered for about seven minutes then add your eggs, once they start firming add your soy sauce and remove from heat. If you can get it get a sweet soy sauce, it goes well with it.

All else fails you can get individual ones and mix them up in a separate bag and put back in the freezer. Broccoli, peppers, water chestnuts, snow peas, carrots...etc.

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Re: Paleo anyone?
« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2014, 07:14:45 AM »

Most of our ancestors didn't eat what's touted as paleo today. Hunting was a lot smaller portion of the food source than vegetation. If you want to know the long term effects of the paleo diet on people, don't try to look to our ancestors or the modern Inuit, look at the Inuit tribes from 100 years ago. The conclusion about the modern weight and health issues being linked to the modern diet is partially right, but the problem is the processed foods, not the rejection of the old diet. Before the introduction of the Western diet, the average lifespan of those people who lived on a high protein high fat diet was maybe 60 years with greatly accelerated aging. These people also had plenty of health problems, including such severe constipation that culturally they created the most powerful spirit in their mythology: Matshishkapeu - which literally translates into English as "fart man." Their lifespan and aging process actually got longer with the introduction of complex carbohydrates, even if the processed crap started hacking it back down.

Gout is the least of the long term problems with paleo. There's also a longer term increased risk of kidney stones, gall stones, atherosclerosis, and stroke. My father essentially ate paleo for the past decade in a very rigid and disciplined manner to manage his diabetes without using insulin or drugs. He's currently recovering from a stroke that was directly linked to his diet.

The theory of paleo isn't wrong. We should be eating closer to what our ancestors ate (including no refined sugars and minimal refined carbohydrates), but that diet was mostly vegetarian and had a lot of natural complex carbohydrates, not meat. Look at the health and lifespan studies of the Seventh Day Adventists. Look at the pre-industrial Inuit (there's plenty of research). Look at the recent findings of the Neanderthal. Look at the Amazonian Yanomamö and the Trobriander of PNG. Look into the limited studies regarding the difference between regular and (properly) kosher meats. We as a species have had varying degrees throughout the people to adapting to and managing the digestion of meat, but that just means we suffer fewer ill effects. There's still ill effects. Our digestive system is primarily geared for mostly vegetarian foodstuffs, but just as we've adapted to meats, we're not strictly amylase producing starch-eaters either. My problem with paleo is the conclusion, as it's inconsistent with the general data.

Modern, processed foods and refined sugars are a source of early death in our diet, but so is heavy meat intake. Our ancestors sprouted or fermented their grains before cooking, there's your first major difference. There were no huge food refineries to produce processed foodstuffs, there's your second major difference. I have no doubt that there's a variation of meat to carb ratio amongst people. I myself do poorly on a pure vegetarian diet. However, the key is moderation in all things, and avoiding processed foods - not swinging hard into carnivore or herbivore territory. The immediate positive effects of paleo eaters are linked to just eating better and less refined crap in the diet. It's the same sort of reinvigoration that whole-food eating vegetarians get initially. Rejection of the Standard American Diet is the common link.

Ignore the fad diets and just eat simple, healthy foods. We're omnivores who need both carbohydrates and protein to properly function. Eat as such.

Unfortunately, your post is a mix of totally incorrect information, and valuable facts. I don't know how you derived your concept of "what is touted as Paleo today" but it is totally wrong. A quick glance at the work of one of the founding fathers of the movement, Loren Cordain, would make it quite clear that the science behind the idea DOES NOT support consumption of huge amounts of meat. in fact, he specifically recommends an increase in meat consumption from the typical western intake of 15% of daily caloric intake to 19-35%. He also promotes modestly increased intake of quality, mono and polyunsaturated fats with good Omega ratios, high consumption of non-starchy fruits and vegetables, high fiber intake, and low sodium intake. The other side of this formula is the elimination of dairy, grains and processed foods.

Since the actual definition of a Paleo diet is in fact quite close to what you recommend, I find your suggestion that it is a carnivore diet to be a bit odd. I would love to hear how following a true, scientifically based Paleo diet can lead to all the diseases you attribute to it?  Like hundreds of thousands of others who are lucky enough to have access to the resources, both informational and financial, to understand and adhere to the lifestyle, I am a Paleo follower who has seen a drastic improvement in the quality of my life. The constantly evolving body of scientific evidence supporting Paleo is a lot more convincing than your claims that Paleo is nothing more than a fad based on excessive meat consumption, and one only needs to look at pre-modern Intuit culture to see the expected outcome.

Obviously, there are varying degrees of adherence to a true Paleo diet, as evidenced by posters here. When it comes to the continually evolving understanding of why our pre-agricultural ancestors were often healthier than modern western culture folks are, at no point does the science point to the key being that the healthy ancient ones gorged on meat, and avoided all the other food sources available to them. They were called "hunter-gatherer" societies for a reason.

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Re: Paleo anyone?
« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2014, 09:09:05 AM »
Actually I don't really think there is enough evidence to show that my ancestors ate what is called for in the paleo diet. I eat tons of fructose in fruit all the time and it doesn't cause me any gout whatsoever, but I have seen some new studies that show a possible fructose linkage, I would like to see more experiments before deriving any conclusions. I found the two biggest causes of gout episodes were alcohol and purine rich foods (meat, lentils etc.) which jives with medical consensus around the disease. However that said I was told not to cease eating meat because it is still good for me in recommended proportions by a Doctor who specializes in that area.

Seriously?  Using the word "evidence" when linked to that worthless slop, is akin to holding a press conference to announce that you can prove the existence of bigfoot based on having watched every episode of the "finding bigfoot" series on reality TV.

 Somehow the presenter was given time to drone on, lamely attacking a straw man, while wasting bandwidth and degrading the entire concept of TED presentations. In the end she wastes twenty minutes criticizing a carnivore style diet that she erroneously labels as "Paleo", while inadvertently approving of the actual scientific evidence of what Paleo man consumed, the diversity of such, and why it created a healthy species.

I pity the audience who sat politely and suffered through that waste of time. It would of been more valuable to watch an idiot explain how Noah accommodated dinosaurs on his arc.

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Re: Paleo anyone?
« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2014, 03:34:32 PM »
Lots of different opinions on here.
Try it, and see how your body feels.  Do it for at least a week to give it time.

The best thing anyone can do for their nutrition is to to up their veggie intake.  Try farmer's markets or a csa to save on veggies and fruit.  Also, frozen is often as good or better than fresh in the grocery store, and often cheaper.  Texture may be different, but it's fine as long as you cook it.

I tried paleo, and it was too restrictive.  I was absolutely exhausted-like first-trimester pregnancy exhausted.  I do have some genetic (we think) insulin resistance, and have noticed some freaky things happen when I eat too many sweets:  joints ache, body swells, gain 1-2 lbs water weight etc.  So I still eat complex carbs and fruit most days, just limited amounts, and sweets/refined carbs every once in a while.  Moderation is key.


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Re: Paleo anyone?
« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2014, 05:31:11 PM »
A quick glance at the work of one of the founding fathers of the movement, Loren Cordain, would make it quite clear that the science behind the idea DOES NOT support consumption of huge amounts of meat. in fact, he specifically recommends an increase in meat consumption from the typical western intake of 15% of daily caloric intake to 19-35%.
I'd love to see the actual evidence(as opposed to supposition and speculation) that shows paleo humans got anywhere near 35% of their caloric intake from meat.
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When it comes to the continually evolving understanding of why our pre-agricultural ancestors were often healthier than modern western culture folks are, at no point does the science point to the key being that the healthy ancient ones gorged on meat, and avoided all the other food sources available to them. They were called "hunter-gatherer" societies for a reason.
For starters, whilst I would agree that pre-agricultrual peoples were generally healthier than someone living on the usual modern western diet of crap, they did have their fair share of health problems too.

Secondly, it is becoming increasingly evident to those in the field that the name "hunter-gatherer" is a sort of misnomer.  It certainly rolls off the tongue better than "gatherer-hunter" but it puts the emphasis on the wrong part.  Most paleo people got the overwhelming majority of their caloric intake from nuts, veg and fruit and very little from meat.  It is very likely they went for long periods of time without meat at all.  I'm yet to see any true scientific evidence that most paleo people got anywhere close to 35% of caloric intake from meat.

Having said all that, the Maasai of Kenya are evidence that a meat diet can be just as healthy.  Their traditional diet consisted almost entirely of meat, blood and milk and very rarely was supplemented with small amounts of fruit and vege.  Some tribes basically never ate fruit or veg at all.  Yet traditionally they were almost free of any serious disease.

My point is, there is still a heck of a lot that we don't understand about the relationship of diet to health.  I'm all for cutting out grains, processed foods and refined sugars and eating more naturally occurring foods.  However, lets not turn this into a semi religious debate about dogma.

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Re: Paleo anyone?
« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2014, 01:57:10 AM »
I'd be willing to bet it was excess fructose that was causing you gout problems.  Our ancestors ate rich, fatty meat and didn't get gout.

http://chriskresser.com/will-eating-a-paleo-diet-cause-gout
Your link doesn't say that anywhere - it doesn't even discuss the incidence of gout in the past, much less demonstrate that our ancestors ate much rich, fatty meat. It just handwaves away the notion that meat-eating causes gout with "maybe the epidemiological controls were insufficient in this entire branch of literature".

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« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2014, 01:58:43 AM »
Seriously?  Using the word "evidence" when linked to that worthless slop, is akin to holding a press conference to announce that you can prove the existence of bigfoot based on having watched every episode of the "finding bigfoot" series on reality TV.

 Somehow the presenter was given time to drone on, lamely attacking a straw man, while wasting bandwidth and degrading the entire concept of TED presentations. In the end she wastes twenty minutes criticizing a carnivore style diet that she erroneously labels as "Paleo", while inadvertently approving of the actual scientific evidence of what Paleo man consumed, the diversity of such, and why it created a healthy species.

I pity the audience who sat politely and suffered through that waste of time. It would of been more valuable to watch an idiot explain how Noah accommodated dinosaurs on his arc.
Do you have any actual criticisms of the talk other than that you didn't like it?

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« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2014, 10:11:33 AM »
Do you have any actual criticisms of the talk other than that you didn't like it?

If you take the time to actually read Cordain, Sisson, Ballantyne, and others, it become quite clear that the presenter has not. She literally focuses on a basic diet idea of decades past, the cave man diet, and attacks a much different concept, that being the latest available science that forms that basis for the Paleo diet. Instead of discussing the facts regarding things like western diets and there relationship to intestinal impermeability, inflammatory diseases, diabetes, obesity, and other health crisis's devastating our culture, she incorrectly babbles on about how it is a predominately red meat based diet that appeals to men, while showing slides that suggest that the diet recommends raw red meat consumption.

There is a massive amount of recent, high quality science behind Paleo, including the cellular biological behind why it has helped many of us totally control previously unmanageable diseases. To stand on stage as a anthropologist, attempting to discredit this whole movement based on nitpicking over stupid shit like discrediting the diet since currently available fruits and vegetables are the product of modern agriculture, makes one thing clear to me. This is a presentation by an attention whore with nothing to add to the debate. I would much rather listen to a poster here who question things like if 35% of caloric intake is in fact excessive meat consumption, and spent the time researching the concept, than waste time with somebody who discredits a current and healthy way to live by offering her opinion on bizarre and tangential concepts, such as the hierarchy of pre-modern African man and if their dominance over Jaguars was impacted by the availability of water sources.

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Re: Paleo anyone?
« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2014, 11:29:12 AM »
Like many of the other posters I do modified paleo diet most of the time.  Lots of veg some fruit.  Was doing a more strict version but its cheaper and more efficient for us to add back a few legumes, potatoes and occasional rice.  My husband particularly was not satisfied when I was using less starches.  It doesn't make sense to me to eat sweet potatoes but totally blacklist white potatoes.  It takes some tinkering to figure out your best personal macronutrient levels.  I think animal calories could have been a decent percentage of paleo diets but we aren't eating organs, bug and rodents for instance so its kind of disingenuous to claim that modern paleo diets really approximate anything from the stone age.

I just finished reading Death by Food Pyramid and would highly recommend it to pretty much everyone.  Its the most even handed review of the science that got us to our current SAD state of affairs.

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« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2014, 11:41:10 AM »
Paleo here too. We recently added back in potatoes and white rice. We spend a good bit on groceries every month, but I figure eating healthy now will hopefully keep us healthy later.

Costco has great bulk frozen fish and pantry items. We get the Mahi Mahi and Salmon there. Coconut oil, tomato paste/sauce, almond butter, maple syrup, and some other stuff. I'll probably pick up a big ol' bag of rice there after we finish the small bag we have now.

We don't buy produce there though. Or most meats. We did get a boneless leg of lamb though for $4.99/lb! We're going to get a half beef here shortly.

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« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2014, 02:16:34 PM »
Man like meat! Meat help man lift heavy things! Lol
We got tired of the "well that's not paleo"line. So we just try and limit processed foods and simple carbs as much as possible.  Most of our meals can be classified as paleo but if I feel like throwing some cheese or homemade bread with my meal I don't feel bad about it. We do probably eat to much beef but when you family raises cattle and owns a processing plant that's just how it is.

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« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2014, 07:53:38 PM »
I did paleo for a summer.    I went from 6' 180 lbs with about a 43.5" chest and a 32.5" waist, to about 175 lbs with a 44" chest and a  32" waist.    Then I got bored and went back to eating very moderate amounts of things like bread and pasta.    Now I fluctuate between 175 to 180 lbs and my chest and waist are about the same.    My paleo shorts are slightly tight, but I can still wear them.

I think diets like paleo are really good for people that are severely out of shape and need something really specific to follow.   For instance, I have a severely overweight aunt that also has a gluten allergy I tried to explain paleo to her, she just said "I can't eat eggs everyday..."   

They're also good for people that are already in too good of shape and need something to annoy their friends and family with (I probably fell into this category).    Really though, if you're not mentally deficient or have some severe eating problems I imagine you already eat well sourced meat, lots of vegetables, and say no to most of the carbs and sugars.    You're 90% there, just enjoy real bread and craft brew once in a while.

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« Reply #42 on: July 06, 2014, 09:38:28 PM »
I've been trying to eat a lot more veggies and go to the gym 3x a week plus bike commute to work. I'm overweight and have had zero luck loosing any of the excess weight.

I don't buy junk food, none, at all. I do still eat bread (no pasta really, I've found it doesn't fill me up). Maybe that is my problem.

Any recommendations on how to get started trying paleo?

This is a little off topic, but I want to suggest trying sprints and intervals at high intensity if you are not already. I've been reading that burns fat much better than long duration cardio stuff. The Primal Blueprint Fitness Plan ebook has some good stuff in it; you can get it from the Mark's Daily Apple website for free. Eating less is the obvious answer; most people are not good at that because they can't stand being hungry. I'm no doctor, but some people have medical conditions, like thyroid problems, that make it hard to maintain an ideal weight. Good luck!

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« Reply #43 on: July 06, 2014, 10:13:36 PM »
My paleo shorts are slightly tight, but I can still wear them.



... I thought loincloths were one-size fits all.

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« Reply #44 on: July 06, 2014, 11:39:30 PM »
My paleo shorts are slightly tight, but I can still wear them.



... I thought loincloths were one-size fits all.


Oh, but you should see my loins.    Carbs really make them swell...

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« Reply #45 on: July 07, 2014, 08:18:27 AM »
I did Paleo and lost 40 Lbs. I sitll eat a modified Paleo Diet

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« Reply #46 on: July 07, 2014, 08:41:47 AM »
The fiancee and I went Paleo in January and have loved the results. I've lost ~30 pounds without adding any extra exercise and feel WAY healthier physically and mentally. She hasn't lost as much but feels much sharper, alert, healthier, and high energy. I'm back to my active duty military weight and feel like I have 2-3x the energy I used to when I ate a lot of carbs (6'4" 250 -> 220)

We'd actually tried it 2 years ago but quickly fell off the wagon since we didn't really have a plan for how to cook/eat that way in a sustainable way. The 2nd time seems to have taken just fine though and we love the way eating this way makes us feel. Key ingredients for success have been meal planning and also leaning heavily on the grill for easy meals. Sooo many meals are basically "slap x meat on the grill, slap y veggie on the grill" or "slap x meat on the grill, roast y veggie in the oven" since we don't want to spend tons of time making dinner on weekdays. I also don't stress too much about being perfect now that I feel we've adopted it into our lifestyle, perfect is the enemy of good for sustaining it imo.

Main pet peeve though is that people assume paleo => eat lots of red meat. We definitely eat meat but so do lots of americans, the big difference is eating lots of vegetables and "real food" rather than "food like substances". Dairy has always messed me up so cutting it out has had a very nice impact as well. Coconut oil has been one of my favorite discoveries as I FAR prefer it and that was one thing we kept from our first attempt at paleo because we liked it so much more.

I strongly suggest giving it a try. Everyone I know who has gone paleo has experienced noticeable improvements in their health and energy levels.

Note: there are other diets that are close that are also reasonable imo. I'm not familiar with the names and such, but as long as it basically boils down to "eat food, mostly vegetables" I think you'll get most of the benefit. Edge cases like legumes and such seem less clear how bad they are. We still eat lentils occasionally - again aiming for good rather than perfect.
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« Reply #47 on: July 07, 2014, 08:50:23 AM »
Been on and off (mostly on) Paleo since late 2010, lost around 50 lbs since then.  Wife joined me when we moved in together in 2012.  Backed off the low carb (added in more fruit and sweet potatoes) when we started Crossfit.  Currently taking a break from Crossfit (adding running and lifts at home) and back on low carb (Whole 30) to try and lean down a bit more. 

We keep costs down by cooking everything.  Our maximum prices are chicken at $2/lb, ground beef and pork at $3/lb, and steaks at $6/lb. When they have big sales we stock up and freeze.  We go to the store a couple times a week so our veggies are always relatively fresh.  We stick with what's cheap, often cabbage, kale, and mustard greens.  Always have bacon, eggs, onions, garlic, and sweet potatoes on hand.  Slapping together a good half dozen meals takes 15 minutes of prep and 45 minutes in the oven / on the stove, so there's no excuse for going out to eat. We spend around $400 a month in groceries for 2, which often inclues a six-pack or two and a bottle of wine or two.

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Re: Paleo anyone?
« Reply #48 on: July 07, 2014, 09:44:43 AM »
I used Paleo as a springboard to a healthier lifestyle about 3 years ago. The amount of free information available for it helped me put together a plan that I followed religiously for a few months. I actually wrote the specifics of the plan out and re-read it religiously for a while. It was basically a set of lists: Good to Eat, Bad to Eat, OK to Eat, and a sample daily menu. I still have it somewhere and will try to remember to post it, but really the specifics aren't important. Just having the structure of the written "rules" that I'd set for myself and making it routine was crucial to getting it all stuck in my head. I lost a chunk of weight and felt great. After a few months, life happened (as it tends to do) and I went through a couple of years of fluctuating weight and varying levels of dedication to my nutrition and fitness. Eventually the motivation to get back on the wagon hit and I've now incorporated many of my good routines back into my life with a paleo-esque diet. Here's at the sample menu from when I was first starting:

Breakfast: Banana + 2 egg omelet with bell peppers, onions, and ham or sausage. (I know a lot of people use bacon but I've found that ham for breakfast can be almost as delicious and seems just a smidge healthier to me.) Added in other things as I had them (finely chopped apple... yum!) and occasionally drizzled with maple syrup.

Lunch: Salad - Spinach, carrots, cherry tomatoes, nuts and some sort of berry/grapes/dried fruit. I typically have this without dressing since I pack it in the morning before work and hate soggy salads that have been sitting in dressing all day. However, when I make it at home I add a little balsamic vinegar. Also, I find eating it dry means I can treat it like a snack and just eat with my fingers which takes away a little of the salad feel and makes it seem more like "fun" food (maybe I'm just weird.)

Dinner: Like many others have said, some sort of meat with some sort of veggie. I ended up really liking my broiler for chicken. Got a cast iron pan to sear steaks then throw in the oven. Asparagus ended up being an easy veggie to prepare a lot of nights and sweet potatoes can always just be thrown in the microwave. Used lots and lots of olive oil. Many nights I served everything over a bed of spinach.

Snacks: If I got hungry in between any of the above meals I would add a piece of fruit or a handful of nuts to tide me over. I carry one or two of these with me most of the time now, almost regardless of where I'm going.

Like I said, this is what I did to set my foundation. If it seems pretty strict that's because that's what I needed at the time. You might be the same. I absolutely agree with everyone who's said "Eat food, mostly veggies..." and "Try it. See how you feel."

One last note: my roommate attempted the paleo thing with me 3 years ago. She was off it in a matter of a week or 2. It is definitely not for everyone. From my observation the things that we did differently was that I had a specific written plan and I was willing to spend more time prepping day to day (waking up to make breakfast, packing lunch/snacks, making sure I had meat thawed for dinner.) Basic stuff but I think it made all the difference.

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Re: Paleo anyone?
« Reply #49 on: July 07, 2014, 11:47:16 AM »
I used Paleo as a springboard to a healthier lifestyle about 3 years ago. The amount of free information available for it helped me put together a plan that I followed religiously for a few months. I actually wrote the specifics of the plan out and re-read it religiously for a while. It was basically a set of lists: Good to Eat, Bad to Eat, OK to Eat, and a sample daily menu. I still have it somewhere and will try to remember to post it, but really the specifics aren't important. Just having the structure of the written "rules" that I'd set for myself and making it routine was crucial to getting it all stuck in my head. I lost a chunk of weight and felt great. After a few months, life happened (as it tends to do) and I went through a couple of years of fluctuating weight and varying levels of dedication to my nutrition and fitness. Eventually the motivation to get back on the wagon hit and I've now incorporated many of my good routines back into my life with a paleo-esque diet. Here's at the sample menu from when I was first starting:

Breakfast: Banana + 2 egg omelet with bell peppers, onions, and ham or sausage. (I know a lot of people use bacon but I've found that ham for breakfast can be almost as delicious and seems just a smidge healthier to me.) Added in other things as I had them (finely chopped apple... yum!) and occasionally drizzled with maple syrup.

Lunch: Salad - Spinach, carrots, cherry tomatoes, nuts and some sort of berry/grapes/dried fruit. I typically have this without dressing since I pack it in the morning before work and hate soggy salads that have been sitting in dressing all day. However, when I make it at home I add a little balsamic vinegar. Also, I find eating it dry means I can treat it like a snack and just eat with my fingers which takes away a little of the salad feel and makes it seem more like "fun" food (maybe I'm just weird.)

Dinner: Like many others have said, some sort of meat with some sort of veggie. I ended up really liking my broiler for chicken. Got a cast iron pan to sear steaks then throw in the oven. Asparagus ended up being an easy veggie to prepare a lot of nights and sweet potatoes can always just be thrown in the microwave. Used lots and lots of olive oil. Many nights I served everything over a bed of spinach.

Snacks: If I got hungry in between any of the above meals I would add a piece of fruit or a handful of nuts to tide me over. I carry one or two of these with me most of the time now, almost regardless of where I'm going.

Like I said, this is what I did to set my foundation. If it seems pretty strict that's because that's what I needed at the time. You might be the same. I absolutely agree with everyone who's said "Eat food, mostly veggies..." and "Try it. See how you feel."

One last note: my roommate attempted the paleo thing with me 3 years ago. She was off it in a matter of a week or 2. It is definitely not for everyone. From my observation the things that we did differently was that I had a specific written plan and I was willing to spend more time prepping day to day (waking up to make breakfast, packing lunch/snacks, making sure I had meat thawed for dinner.) Basic stuff but I think it made all the difference.

Thanks for that reply --   Love the term "paleo-esque!"    Since there is no real clearing house for the Paleo rules, I pretty much eat this -  No fake wheat (what is now erroneously referred to as wheat),  No beans, no dairy,  no nightshades (tomatoes, peppers, potatoes).  I eat no breakfast usually but maybe eggs (runny) sometimes.   For lunch a big man salad with a large variety of veggies  -- mushrooms,  onions,  spinach,  kale,  broccoli,  berries,  sunflower seeds,  carrots,  cut meat.   For dinner a protein meat (no processed stuff such as bacon,  sausage,  ham)  and more salad.   Snack in the evening might be more veggies,  popcorn.   

I have cheated myself several times but have pretty much avoided wheat.   So over two weeks, I am feeling pretty darn good and belt loops are going down.