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Older Ford Escapes??
« on: March 23, 2017, 11:44:48 AM »
Thinking about buying a solid, used Escape with 112k miles, no accident history. Listed under $6000. What say you? I've heard these cars can run past 200k easily. Thanks!

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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2017, 11:57:06 AM »
Sorry this was double posted, but I will still appreciate some input if anyone has any! I currently pay over $250 a month on my car and since discovering MMM, want to lower costs, while increasing space!
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2017, 01:52:55 PM »
I have a 2008 Escape (the FWD one, not 4WD) with about 136k miles.  Still going strong; she has been good to me.  I think she will get to 200k easily.

I "replaced" it last year, but I haven't been able to sell the escape yet because I love it so much.  I bought it in 2011, and have had only routine maintenance stuff.  In the fall it broke down for the first time and I convinced myself I needed something newer.  My BF says the water pump (the issue causing the breakdown) is a routine maintenance thing, it is normal to replace that on a car thats 8-9 years old.  But at the time I made an emotional decision after being stranded in a bad neighborhood at 4am (on the way to work) unable to reach anyone at that hour. Hopefully the Mustachian police don't come and get me for making bad decisions and having 2 vehicles.   Anyway, aside from the water pump, the only money I put into the escape was for oil changes, brakes, tires, lights, and once I needed tie rods - that's all I can recall, anyhow.  I would definitely recommend getting one, as long as you make sure it doesn't currently have any issues.  Mine has been reliable.


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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2017, 02:04:48 PM »
I have a 2008 Escape (the FWD one, not 4WD) with about 136k miles.  Still going strong; she has been good to me.  I think she will get to 200k easily.

I "replaced" it last year, but I haven't been able to sell the escape yet because I love it so much.  I bought it in 2011, and have had only routine maintenance stuff.  In the fall it broke down for the first time and I convinced myself I needed something newer.  My BF says the water pump (the issue causing the breakdown) is a routine maintenance thing, it is normal to replace that on a car thats 8-9 years old.  But at the time I made an emotional decision after being stranded in a bad neighborhood at 4am (on the way to work) unable to reach anyone at that hour. Hopefully the Mustachian police don't come and get me for making bad decisions and having 2 vehicles.   Anyway, aside from the water pump, the only money I put into the escape was for oil changes, brakes, tires, lights, and once I needed tie rods - that's all I can recall, anyhow.  I would definitely recommend getting one, as long as you make sure it doesn't currently have any issues.  Mine has been reliable.

Much appreciated. The one I'm looking at is an 06 XLT. Great price with leather seats and a sunroof.

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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2017, 02:07:01 PM »
I have a 2008, 4WD. I like it well enough, but it's only got about 100K miles. I have seen very high mileage Escapes, including taxis at 300K on eBay and GSA.

It's slow-ish but adequate, and the 4WD is amazing (I was wary of it, having never driven an automatic 4WD, but it's seamless and lovely and hasn't slipped or gotten stuck in 3 years.) There's a thing they nearly all do, where the electrical controls for the HVAC system goes haywire, and that's a $100-ish repair.

Also worth noting- although it technically seats 5, I do not recommend it for more than 4, as the back seat is shockingly narrow for the size of the vehicle. As in, two 9-year-olds and I (110 lbs, 5'5") had to reach under each other's bums to buckle the seat belts.

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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2017, 02:08:48 PM »
I bought my 2005 in 2009 with 36k miles on it, and it now has 98k miles. Literally the only thing I've had to do to it besides some routine maintenance is fix a small leak that was dripping onto my exhaust. I was trying to decide whether to bring it with me when I left Alaska last month and decided it was worth the $1300 to ship it rather than buy a replacement that I didn't have the history on.

When I recently brought it into the mechanic to replace the front brakes for the first time in the 8 years I've owned it, he said "Old Escapes are good cars. Never get a new one." So I assume he sees them favorably.

One thing they don't do well on: gas mileage. Mine hauls dogs and groceries 90% of its life (I bus to work), but I have a Prius for my husband's daily commuter.

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2017, 02:10:13 PM »
Also worth noting: fuel economy is not stellar. I get 20 or so MPG, mostly suburban/city driving. More like 18 in Jan/Feb when it kicks into 4WD often. I'm in Pittsburgh, so everywhere is uphill, both ways.

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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2017, 02:13:06 PM »
I have a 2008, 4WD. I like it well enough, but it's only got about 100K miles. I have seen very high mileage Escapes, including taxis at 300K on eBay and GSA.

It's slow-ish but adequate, and the 4WD is amazing (I was wary of it, having never driven an automatic 4WD, but it's seamless and lovely and hasn't slipped or gotten stuck in 3 years.) There's a thing they nearly all do, where the electrical controls for the HVAC system goes haywire, and that's a $100-ish repair.

Also worth noting- although it technically seats 5, I do not recommend it for more than 4, as the back seat is shockingly narrow for the size of the vehicle. As in, two 9-year-olds and I (110 lbs, 5'5") had to reach under each other's bums to buckle the seat belts.

Good thing I'm single and would rarely have to bring more than 2 others with me somewhere. I just want to fold the seats up, store some outdoor essentials and accessories, put my fishing kayak on top, and hit the road. Thanks!

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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2017, 02:27:14 PM »
You're good, then! The 60/40 folding seat is nice for having just one passenger back there and room for long things to be lain flat.

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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2017, 02:50:18 PM »
The older Escapes have pretty mediocre crash ratings:
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/ford/escape-4-door-suv/2006

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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2017, 07:53:14 AM »
I have a 2012 XLT 4WD 3.0 V6. It's a workhorse at nearly 70k miles. The part-time nanny 4WD is excellent (appropriate tires pending) in the snow, I've glided across ice packed snowy roads with full sized pick-ups and SUV's in the ditch. I'm a preventive maintenance nut (synthetic oil changes every 3,000 miles), but I wouldn't give the Escape two thumbs up for durability.  Since I've owned it (new), I had to replace a bad solenoid, throttle body, A/C compressor, and various safety recalls (luckily all covered under warranty). The Duratec 3.0 engine block is a champ, but all the engine accessories seem like garbage. And because the rear brakes are archaic drums, the front discs pick up the slack so it seems like I'm constantly replacing brake pads. Also, if you live in the snow belt, salt brine will get up into the exposed metal rear wheel wells and show rust easily. But, the rear seats fold down flat, so it can be used as a modern day Ford Bronco hauler. Overall, I like my Escape and will grind it until it gives up living. But, if you want something totally headache free, fork out a few more dollars and get a Honda or Toyota.

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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2017, 08:01:28 AM »
I have a 2012 XLT 4WD 3.0 V6. It's a workhorse at nearly 70k miles. The part-time nanny 4WD is excellent (appropriate tires pending) in the snow, I've glided across ice packed snowy roads with full sized pick-ups and SUV's in the ditch. I'm a preventive maintenance nut (synthetic oil changes every 3,000 miles), but I wouldn't give the Escape two thumbs up for durability.  Since I've owned it (new), I had to replace a bad solenoid, throttle body, A/C compressor, and various safety recalls (luckily all covered under warranty). The Duratec 3.0 engine block is a champ, but all the engine accessories seem like garbage. And because the rear brakes are archaic drums, the front discs pick up the slack so it seems like I'm constantly replacing brake pads. Also, if you live in the snow belt, salt brine will get up into the exposed metal rear wheel wells and show rust easily. But, the rear seats fold down flat, so it can be used as a modern day Ford Bronco hauler. Overall, I like my Escape and will grind it until it gives up living. But, if you want something totally headache free, fork out a few more dollars and get a Honda or Toyota.

I have been leaning Toyota if I don't go with an Escape. But how do the Subbies hold up? I've also been looking at Foresters and Outbacks. Thanks.

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Re: Older Ford Escapes??
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2017, 08:07:07 AM »
I have a 2012 XLT 4WD 3.0 V6. It's a workhorse at nearly 70k miles. The part-time nanny 4WD is excellent (appropriate tires pending) in the snow, I've glided across ice packed snowy roads with full sized pick-ups and SUV's in the ditch.

So you've been lucky.  I've been able to do the same in my Honda Accord.

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I'm a preventive maintenance nut (synthetic oil changes every 3,000 miles),
A ginormous waste of oil and money then, since that is not called for in your manual. 

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but I wouldn't give the Escape two thumbs up for durability.  Since I've owned it (new), I had to replace a bad solenoid, throttle body, A/C compressor, and various safety recalls (luckily all covered under warranty). The Duratec 3.0 engine block is a champ, but all the engine accessories seem like garbage. And because the rear brakes are archaic drums, the front discs pick up the slack so it seems like I'm constantly replacing brake pads. Also, if you live in the snow belt, salt brine will get up into the exposed metal rear wheel wells and show rust easily. But, the rear seats fold down flat, so it can be used as a modern day Ford Bronco hauler. Overall, I like my Escape and will grind it until it gives up living. But, if you want something totally headache free, fork out a few more dollars and get a Honda or Toyota.

Consumer Reports should give you good reliability information, and I'm sure the Ford Escape won't be anything to brag about.  Gas guzzling vehicles with unnecessary 4WD are not Mustachian if you could do the same stuff in a Honda Accord.
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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2017, 08:17:29 AM »
There are two ways to find a spouse or your next car.

The first way is to look around in your small town and take the first model you meet home.
The second way is to research the best possible option... either by trying out a whole lot of options until you know what does and doesn't work, or by trusting the research of others.

It's a lot easier to trust research when it comes to cars. People are a different animal.

So while there happens to be a cheap Ford Escape for sale nearby, that in no way makes it the best possible vehicle for you or your needs. When you ask a question about a specific car, most of the responses will be from owners - cognitive biases and all, and anecdotal. Trust in consumer reports and widen your search.

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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2017, 09:34:35 AM »
OP, are you looking at a v6 or 4 cylinder model? I don't own an Escape but researched them heavily and was planning to buy one as my next family car for quite a while. My father in law is a Ford Senior Master tech, he directed me to buy the front wheel drive 4 cylinder model. He claims the 4 cylinder models tend to be more reliable in his experience. Granted he's just one mechanic, but he's a top mechanic at the Ford dealer where he works, so he generally knows what he's talking about. I'm fairly certain the 4 cylinder engines were developed by or in conjunction with Mazda while the 6 cylinder is Ford all the way (I can't remember where i read that, but i thought it was interesting). I was planning to buy the FWD model because we really didn't need AWD based on the type of driving we normally do and there are just a lot more moving parts that can/will break with the AWD setup if you plan to keep it long term. Not to mention the additional loss of MPG and engine power to move the rear wheels. Either way you're probably not going to get amazing MPG, but if you need the space for hauling or additional ground clearance, it should be a pretty reliable vehicle for you. I had been looking for one for a few months and stumbled upon too good of a deal on an older Explorer that I ended up buying instead. Gets a couple MPG worse than the Escape but is a little larger and it only sits parked unless we're going camping, hiking, or need the hauling space.

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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2017, 09:49:54 AM »
OP, are you looking at a v6 or 4 cylinder model? I don't own an Escape but researched them heavily and was planning to buy one as my next family car for quite a while. My father in law is a Ford Senior Master tech, he directed me to buy the front wheel drive 4 cylinder model. He claims the 4 cylinder models tend to be more reliable in his experience. Granted he's just one mechanic, but he's a top mechanic at the Ford dealer where he works, so he generally knows what he's talking about. I'm fairly certain the 4 cylinder engines were developed by or in conjunction with Mazda while the 6 cylinder is Ford all the way (I can't remember where i read that, but i thought it was interesting). I was planning to buy the FWD model because we really didn't need AWD based on the type of driving we normally do and there are just a lot more moving parts that can/will break with the AWD setup if you plan to keep it long term. Not to mention the additional loss of MPG and engine power to move the rear wheels. Either way you're probably not going to get amazing MPG, but if you need the space for hauling or additional ground clearance, it should be a pretty reliable vehicle for you. I had been looking for one for a few months and stumbled upon too good of a deal on an older Explorer that I ended up buying instead. Gets a couple MPG worse than the Escape but is a little larger and it only sits parked unless we're going camping, hiking, or need the hauling space.

I have been researching the Front Wheel Drive 4 cyl more than anything else.

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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2017, 05:14:14 PM »
I have a 2002 XLS (v6, FWD) and just hit 200k miles this winter.  It's been a great car for me (bought it used about 9 or 10 years ago).  Before I had the pickup I used it to haul quite a bit in the back (washing machine, bricks, wood, etc).  The paint job on that year sucks, so it looks pretty bad on top, but I don't repaint it because I'm (irrationally) afraid that the second I put money into it, it will die on me.

I've put in the regular maintenance, done the front brakes (rear brakes need done soon). 

I've driven it on ice 3/4" to 1" thick (live in the PNW, where we get a lot of ice, snow, and black ice).  I've never been stuck to where I can't get it to get itself unstuck, even with only having FWD.  I do put studs on it during the winter months though.

At work we drive a newer Escape and I hate it.  The blind spots are huge, the heat/ac sucks (it takes forever to get warm), and the vents are put in so that they only blow at a horrible angle.  Want warm air to blow toward your chest?  Too bad, we'll make it blow up toward your eyes/forehead instead (the vents do not adjust lower than that).

I no longer commute in it, so I'm putting the miles on it more slowly now, and hoping that I can get it to hit 300k without issues.

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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2017, 08:08:05 PM »
Thinking about buying a solid, used Escape with 112k miles, no accident history. Listed under $6000. What say you? I've heard these cars can run past 200k easily. Thanks!

I drive a 2006 Escape Hybrid for work - started pushing to get in the replacement queue about a year ago at ~185k miles since it's getting up there. All sorts of issues cropped up in the 190k-200k range. Hybrid system now doesn't work sometimes.  Notionally we should be getting a replacement within a few months.

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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2017, 05:48:01 PM »
My parents have a 2011. Check your wheel wells door seams and hatch for rust.

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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2017, 07:51:47 AM »
We got ride of our 2002 Escape earlier this year because of too many negatives.

1. extremely poor gas mileage
2. no power to accelerate at speed
3. Rust
4. Failure of the emissions control.  This was the last straw - it would have cost more than the value of the car to fix it.

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« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2017, 07:56:48 PM »
The older Escapes were the same trucks as the Mazda Tribute, so if you find a cheaper Tribute, maybe go with that.

I'll throw this out there, I own a 2004 Saturn Vue with $142k and it's Honda 3.5L V6 engine has been phenomenal.  These trucks are extremely undervalued because not a lot of people know the Honda connection.

I'm intrigued. Any Saturn Vue in general or specific years?

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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2017, 07:13:24 AM »
2004-2007 V6 Vue.
The Honda engine is the only 3.5L one in the lineup. They then switched to a 3.6L V6 from GM.

I bought my 2004 Vue with 72k miles for less than $7k back in 2012. At that point, any comparable Honda badged truck - CRV's, Pilots - were all over $12k. Needless to say I consider the Vue a great deal.

Also, due to the squareness of the backend, I have been abled to haul a lot of stuff in it. Couple of toilets from the big box store, both boxes side by side, an old stove, my Honda Civic's engine and transmission (still bolted together) and a bunch other shit.

Is it true that other parts of the Vue are cheaply put together? How about the safety ratings? Or is that just people on the internet spouting off because the Vue isn't popular?

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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2017, 07:31:29 AM »
2004-2007 V6 Vue.
The Honda engine is the only 3.5L one in the lineup. They then switched to a 3.6L V6 from GM.

I bought my 2004 Vue with 72k miles for less than $7k back in 2012. At that point, any comparable Honda badged truck - CRV's, Pilots - were all over $12k. Needless to say I consider the Vue a great deal.

Also, due to the squareness of the backend, I have been abled to haul a lot of stuff in it. Couple of toilets from the big box store, both boxes side by side, an old stove, my Honda Civic's engine and transmission (still bolted together) and a bunch other shit.

Is it true that other parts of the Vue are cheaply put together? How about the safety ratings? Or is that just people on the internet spouting off because the Vue isn't popular?

At least for the safety ratings you don't have to guess:
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/saturn/vue-4-door-suv/2007

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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2017, 07:51:14 AM »
2004-2007 V6 Vue.
The Honda engine is the only 3.5L one in the lineup. They then switched to a 3.6L V6 from GM.

I bought my 2004 Vue with 72k miles for less than $7k back in 2012. At that point, any comparable Honda badged truck - CRV's, Pilots - were all over $12k. Needless to say I consider the Vue a great deal.

Also, due to the squareness of the backend, I have been abled to haul a lot of stuff in it. Couple of toilets from the big box store, both boxes side by side, an old stove, my Honda Civic's engine and transmission (still bolted together) and a bunch other shit.

Is it true that other parts of the Vue are cheaply put together? How about the safety ratings? Or is that just people on the internet spouting off because the Vue isn't popular?

At least for the safety ratings you don't have to guess:
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/saturn/vue-4-door-suv/2007

Thank you. I'm too the point after all this research, that I have a tough time favoring anything over a used Toyota Rav4 or Highlander.

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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2017, 07:56:51 AM »
2004-2007 V6 Vue.
The Honda engine is the only 3.5L one in the lineup. They then switched to a 3.6L V6 from GM.

I bought my 2004 Vue with 72k miles for less than $7k back in 2012. At that point, any comparable Honda badged truck - CRV's, Pilots - were all over $12k. Needless to say I consider the Vue a great deal.

Also, due to the squareness of the backend, I have been abled to haul a lot of stuff in it. Couple of toilets from the big box store, both boxes side by side, an old stove, my Honda Civic's engine and transmission (still bolted together) and a bunch other shit.

Is it true that other parts of the Vue are cheaply put together? How about the safety ratings? Or is that just people on the internet spouting off because the Vue isn't popular?

At least for the safety ratings you don't have to guess:
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/saturn/vue-4-door-suv/2007

Thank you. I'm too the point after all this research, that I have a tough time favoring anything over a used Toyota Rav4 or Highlander.

No problem. Crash ratings of the same year Rav4 and Highlander for comparison:
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/toyota/rav4-4-door-suv/2007 (2009 model is the next year that improved)
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/toyota/highlander-4-door-suv/2007 (2008 model is the next year that improved)

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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2017, 10:48:50 AM »
Found an 08 RAV4 listed under 10k with 106,000 miles. This doesn't worry me much - clean title, and I've heard Toyota is about as reliable as they come. Good MPG too. I figure if I can work with this up until about the 160k-170k mile mark, it would be perfect.

Side note: Do we have a dedicated thread anywhere discussing affordable vehicle recommendations? I know MMM has a blog post(s) focusing on this. But that would be awesome to see others' experiences with certain vehicles.


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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2017, 02:56:34 PM »
I owned a 2011 Escape XLT 2wd 4 cylinder.  I sold it after five years, no problems at all.  I was starting to worry a bit about the AC because it didn't seem to blow as cold as it used to and I have heard a few horror stories about high cost AC repairs.  I would have kept the 2011 but Ford was offering A-plan incentives on the 2017 Escape for $139 a month lease.  I took the equity from the 2011 and paid off another vehicle that I own.  I actually think I like the 2011 slightly better than the 2017, it was a bit larger and the handling seemed a bit better.  Like others in this thread I like the peace of mind of having a new(er) vehicle.

What I love about the Ford Escape is that (1) it's made in America, (2) perfect size, not too big not too small, can easily accommodate 4 adults and is a reasonable cargo carrier, (3) high ground clearance and visibility makes them good in the snow and good for my outrageously steep driveway approach, (4) they are agile and maneuverable and fun to drive, and (5) they are reasonably priced and reasonably economical to operate.


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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2017, 03:40:59 PM »
2004-2007 V6 Vue.
The Honda engine is the only 3.5L one in the lineup. They then switched to a 3.6L V6 from GM.

I bought my 2004 Vue with 72k miles for less than $7k back in 2012. At that point, any comparable Honda badged truck - CRV's, Pilots - were all over $12k. Needless to say I consider the Vue a great deal.

Also, due to the squareness of the backend, I have been abled to haul a lot of stuff in it. Couple of toilets from the big box store, both boxes side by side, an old stove, my Honda Civic's engine and transmission (still bolted together) and a bunch other shit.

Is it true that other parts of the Vue are cheaply put together? How about the safety ratings? Or is that just people on the internet spouting off because the Vue isn't popular?
If you do go with a Vue, stay the hell away from the four-cylinder automatic; that transmission is garbage.  My parents had a 2003 they bought new and ran into transmission issues at 50k, and it was nearly unusable by 100k (they sold it for a song when it got really bad).  A known systemic problem that GM acknowledged but pretty much refused to do anything about.  My understanding is that the six-cylinder version is "fine" as is the manual four-cylinder.  (Also VERY bad visibility if you're taller than about 5'8", but that's a separate issue.  Bad for me at 5'11", but my 6'1" dad had his head against the roof and couldn't see the horizon while driving it.)

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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2017, 08:24:57 PM »
I loved my Ford Escape, in fact I've owned 2 of them.  The first one was great, no issues, sold after three years.  The second was brand new XLT 2008 model and I planned on keeping it forever but at least until my mortgage was paid off in 2018.  This year it fell apart, dashboard display went = didn't fix - lived without, water pump went = $800, transmission went = $2500, fuel injection went = $800, final straw was the alternator went and potentially the main computer.  Couldn't test the computer until the alternator was repaired.  I didn't want to repair the alternator only to find out the computer was gone too.  This all happened over a four month period.  I sold it for $1500 even though I had put in over $4000 into it, I just couldn't keep pouring money into it.  It only had 178,000 km on it.  Sniff, RIP Ford Escape, bought a Mazda CX-5 and I am keeping it forever!

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« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2017, 09:44:58 AM »
Used to own an Escape; now own a Toyota Rav4. I'll just put it this way: I wish had spent the extra couple of grand on the Rav4 the first time around.

Mileage isn't close: 18-19 for the Escape and 23-24 for the Rav in overall driving. That's with the V6 in both models.  Bump that up another 1 or 2 for the four-cylinder. Toyota stopped offering the V6 in 2012 I believe.

It's not just about reliability and price. Functionality is important too: how comfortable you are in it, how well it's designed, how well it accommodates the things you need to do with it etc. I sleep in my car often and live out it for weeks at a time, and the Rav is just overall a much more pleasant experience.

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« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2017, 03:01:16 AM »




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I'm a preventive maintenance nut (synthetic oil changes every 3,000 miles),
A ginormous waste of oil and money then, since that is not called for in your manual. 


It's your money to waste as you see fit. That said, if you are following manufacturer's recommendations for intervals over 5-6K, or worse yet, letting an on-board "maintenance minder" con you into doing intervals of 9,10, or more,  don't be surprised when you hit 80-100k , see a check engine light, and then hear some pretty ugly news from your mechanic. Modern engines are built to extraordinarily tight specs, run very thin oil, and use technology that was not common even a decade ago, like gas sealing rings and direct injection. As a result, engines are failing very early due to wear from extended interval oil changes. It's everything from worn cams, worn timing chains, guides and gears, rings, extreme oil consumption, and total failure, like a rod through the block. I have a good friend who works in an independent shop, and specializes in major engine repair and replacement. He is replacing at least one engine a week, and doing expensive internal repairs to other engines continuously. Like many in the field, he is well aware that the root cause of this is extended interval oil changes.

 Now it's easy to respond to information like this with, "well, I guess he thinks he knows better that the manufacturer, eh?" Well, it's simple. When 90%+  of the failures engines you work on are seriously compromised, or have failed, well before they are a decade old and have less than 125K miles on them, AND have a documented history of  extended oil changes, it's a little hard to reach other conclusions. Especially when the same shop has hundreds of customers who maintain their vehicles at 5K intervals, or less, and  have no problems.  Personally, I only buy used, and I will not touch a vehicle without a paper trail of regular oil changes in the 5k range. As for specific brands with issues, it really doesn't matter. My son runs a 2015 Ford F150 for an outfit that demands that that employees follow maintenance minders, to keep service costs lower. His 3.7 ecoboost just failed at 75k, needing $3k in cam repairs, others in the fleet are doing the same thing starting at roughly 70K miles. My buddy reports that one of the Chevy CUV motors regularly fails before 80k, following the company's onboard computer maintenance minder. The problem is so prevalent that dealers stock a kit with all the parts needed to replace the timing chain and other parts that prematurely failed.  Subarus are another popular car when it comes to big issues, with many burning massive amounts of oil, until the change intervals are lowered to 4K, or so, then the car doesn't burn a drop.  Doesn't matter if it's a $60k new Mercedes, or a $12 New Nissan Versa. You want to keep it for several hundred thousand miles? Changes the damn oil, frequently, and preferable with synthetic.

As to the OP's question, IF you are paying 1/2 of what a comparable CRV or RAV  costs, it is probably worth it. We are on our third CRV. It gets mileage in the mid-20s and is reliable as an anvil. My son's girl had an escape. In a year of trying to keep that thing on the road, he spent more of his weekends wrenching on that POS than I did in eight years of CRV ownership. He called it the "Ford Excuse".
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Re: Older Ford Escapes??
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2017, 07:57:14 AM »
As a result, engines are failing very early due to wear from extended interval oil changes.

You don't have to guess whether your oil is being effective for a longer interval. You can send your oil samples to a place like Blackstone Labs and they'll do an oil analysis to determine if anything in your engine is wearing out at a faster pace than expected and if your oil is still doing its job after however many miles you have on it.

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Re: Older Ford Escapes??
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2017, 11:12:11 AM »
I've owned 2 Ford Escapes (2003 and 2011).   

The 2003 went through 3 alternators. The alternator location was near the front tire and they had to take the front axle off each time.  I think the incredibly poor design was for the 2002 and 2003 models...watch out for those models.  I had 125k and would have driven it for another 100k if the alternator didn't suck.  Loved the vehicle.

I have 100k on the 2011.  Runs great. Love it. Someone mentioned the AC kinda sucks.  Yeah just squirt some more freon in the system.  I think the canister and setup is like $20.  I do this once a year.  Hopefully run this sucker for another 100k.


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Re: Older Ford Escapes??
« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2017, 02:03:39 PM »
As a result, engines are failing very early due to wear from extended interval oil changes.

You don't have to guess whether your oil is being effective for a longer interval. You can send your oil samples to a place like Blackstone Labs and they'll do an oil analysis to determine if anything in your engine is wearing out at a faster pace than expected and if your oil is still doing its job after however many miles you have on it.

I did this regularly when I owned a diesel truck that needed $85 in material for a DIY oil change and has an engine worth $15K. When it comes to a MMM  grade vehicles IMHO an analysis is interesting, but  no substitute for regular oil changes on a 5k or less schedule.

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Re: Older Ford Escapes??
« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2017, 11:47:17 AM »
I found an 06 Jeep Liberty at a dealer with less than 30,000 miles owned by an older man who didn't do much driving. Can anyone speak to these?

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« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2017, 12:12:31 PM »
I found an 06 Jeep Liberty at a dealer with less than 30,000 miles owned by an older man who didn't do much driving. Can anyone speak to these?

Cramped interior, ridiculously overweight, unimpressive fuel mileage, and well below average reliability. Other than that, all good.

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Re: Older Ford Escapes??
« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2017, 12:21:21 PM »
I found an 06 Jeep Liberty at a dealer with less than 30,000 miles owned by an older man who didn't do much driving. Can anyone speak to these?

Cramped interior, ridiculously overweight, unimpressive fuel mileage, and well below average reliability. Other than that, all good.

I sort of gathered that from some other things I was reading. I'm having trouble being swayed from anything but a Rav4/Escape/or CRV. I could deal with a hatchback with fully folding seats.

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Re: Older Ford Escapes??
« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2017, 12:24:10 PM »
For some perspective, I went from owning a 1999 Chevrolet Tahoe to a 2007 Honda Fit. Owned it for four years - the first four years of home ownership. Loaded it up with a king-sized bed/mattress kit from Ikea, a chest freezer from Lowes, and a whole bunch of other things. Took two friends across state lines for a weekend camping trip, along with a cooler, two tents and the rest of our supplies. Threw my mountain bike in the back (with the front wheel off, of course!) They have "magic seats" - they pretty much fold flat, and they also fold up which is handy. Can't really get much better for reliability, efficiency and affordability.

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Re: Older Ford Escapes??
« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2017, 01:29:38 PM »
Is there a specific "need" for an SUV?  Why not go with a Fit, Prius, or anything a lot more fuel efficient and reliable?

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Re: Older Ford Escapes??
« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2017, 01:41:28 PM »
I sort of gathered that from some other things I was reading. I'm having trouble being swayed from anything but a Rav4/Escape/or CRV. I could deal with a hatchback with fully folding seats.

Unless you ONLY care about initial purchase price, you'd do best to eliminate the Escape among those three.

Is there a specific "need" for an SUV?

For those of us who routinely drive on 4wd roads, carry large amounts of gear and sleep in our vehicles, yes. But I guess I don't "need" to climb mountains either.

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Re: Older Ford Escapes??
« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2017, 01:46:57 PM »
I sort of gathered that from some other things I was reading. I'm having trouble being swayed from anything but a Rav4/Escape/or CRV. I could deal with a hatchback with fully folding seats.

Unless you ONLY care about initial purchase price, you'd do best to eliminate the Escape among those three.

Is there a specific "need" for an SUV?

For those of us who routinely drive on 4wd roads, carry large amounts of gear and sleep in our vehicles, yes. But I guess I don't "need" to climb mountains either.

One of my concerns is wanting to take fishing trips (via fishing kayak) with camping gear. Can that be easily done with a hatchback? I would definitely want one where the seats fold flat.

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Re: Older Ford Escapes??
« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2017, 01:51:26 PM »
How big is a fishing kayak? I dated a girl that drove a Honda Fit with a roof rack, which easily held two regular sized kayaks (aka 10' long?) I don't know any vehicles that can fit those inside them though :)

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« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2017, 01:53:55 PM »
i've got a 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid.  I get 45 MPGs in the summer and 35 in the winter.  its sitting at 240k miles still going strong

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« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2017, 01:56:06 PM »
How big is a fishing kayak? I dated a girl that drove a Honda Fit with a roof rack, which easily held two regular sized kayaks (aka 10' long?) I don't know any vehicles that can fit those inside them though :)

I would most likely install a roof rack. 11-13 feet.

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Re: Older Ford Escapes??
« Reply #45 on: April 27, 2017, 01:08:21 AM »
I found an 06 Jeep Liberty at a dealer with less than 30,000 miles owned by an older man who didn't do much driving. Can anyone speak to these?

One guy here got a Jeep Liberty and it seems very reliable except it has to do some maintenance more often. Well, he's a jeep guy. Just last month I helped him install the Rubicon Express lift kit and he's very satisfied with the result.
Escapes are good family ride and are very reliable. It should be a good choice if you don't need a fast vehicle.

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« Reply #46 on: April 27, 2017, 05:13:30 AM »
How big is a fishing kayak? I dated a girl that drove a Honda Fit with a roof rack, which easily held two regular sized kayaks (aka 10' long?) I don't know any vehicles that can fit those inside them though :)

I got this kayak into my SIL's RAV-4. She replaced it last year, and I was able to get the new kayak in too. Not the best solution, but it worked!




 

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