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With lots more detail on MMM's identity and personal life than I've ever seen before, including his real name:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/02/29/mr-money-mustache-the-frugal-guru

Very enjoyable article overall. I smiled at the fact that even Mrs. MM gets a little tired sometimes with the relentless optimization. Although I am guilty of the same thing too.

EDIT: This thread turned into an epic discussion of all sorts of things and went in directions I never expected. After 9 pages in, nereo was kind/inspired/bored enough to provide an executive summary. Useful for anyone reading the thread for the first time:

This has been a wild and crazy thread.  I'd just like to take a minute and summarize the 9 pages of discussion so far.  Enjoy
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Link to article
Thanks for sharing
Great article
$400k/year (Wow!)
Long article
Canada
“I should start a blog”
‘imputed rent’
Parenting
CC referral fees
Didn’t like the piece
MTG
Too much personal details?
Benevolent Dictator
Enginerd
Role of family privacy
REALLY dislike this article (Frankies Girl summary)
Discussing tone or article
Hit piece?
We are a cult (drink the Kool-Aid)
Home Schooling
MMM’s personal thoughts on the article
Thank’s for popping in MMM
Yay MMM!
More MTG
Comments on New Yorker Mag
Good/Bad exposure for forum?
$400k/year (again)
Donate blog income to charity?
MMM as a movement
Bogleheads cross-over discussion
Philanthropy and “is $400k a lot of money?”
Hating on Bogleheads
Hating on the New Yorker
IS MMM full of s**t?
Argument about driving to hardware store
Biking vs driving
Role of swearing
What is “retirement”?
FI vs “retirement”
Internet Retirement Police show up – bickering about “RE” continues
Who’s really retired anyway?
Are Warren Buffet and Mark Zuckerberg retired?
Pokémon
Going really negative now…
Is the MMM movement successful?
Sexism
“If I were a woman…”
First time poster shows up from New Yorker article
Who gets to decide if someone is retired or not (more IRP)
“Intellectual dishonesty”
“I am a woman”
“me too”
women aren’t plants.
“all of you are bit/bat s**t insane”
does stressing “ER” help/hurt blog readership?
Girls aren’t necessarily frilly.
English Quakers
Is “Retired” semantics, or not?
Velociraptors
Pot Heads
Nazis (thanks Tetsuya Hondo)
Pressure to be “feminine”, and what “girly” is.
Stereotypes
Defending the New Yorker
Beyoncé
The IRP are Nazis.
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Thanks for posting that link!  Was fun to read.  It will be interesting to see what MMM ends up doing with the money from the blog.  I had hoped he was writing his book, but no mention of one in the article.  I think it would be the perfect graduation gift.

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Great interview.  Glad to finally meet the man behind the mask.  While this didn't come out and say it, it did kind of confirm my suspicion that he was moving away from the blog to a degree with his life.  I think revealing  himself, flaws and all, is his way of saying, "Mission accomplished, to the best that one man can do it.". This article almost felt like the passing of the torch, but the torch bearer is yet unnamed.

In finally reveiling how much money is blog is truly raking in, it also basically put a nail in the coffin for the nay-sayers.  While I do believe in the fundamentals of Pete's mission, it would be impossible to champion this lifestyle as a man who makes $400k a year with a blog about being frugal (hence his hesitation to reveal it).  I know he doesn't spend it frivolously, but it loses legitimacy to those on the fence towards this idea.  The writing is on the wall if you will, perhaps he is purposely leaving vacancy to the next MMM champion.

Either way, done writing or not, cheers to Mr. Adeney.  You have changed hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives.  An accomplishment that should never be understated.

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What a great read. It was like stopping by Pete and Simi's and having a visit. Very nice.

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Very enjoyable read! I liked the idiosyncrasies (like mixing peanut butter with a power drill) and the fact that no one listens to him in real life. Found it interesting that he characterizes himself as anxious.

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Shared on Facebook and struggled with how to introduce it because I barely ever discuss MMM with anyone except my husband. So, I just posted it, no comment.
I did not even think to share it on facebook, great idea.

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I'm sad there are no comments, they always amuse me.

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$400K a year! WOW!

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Jesus, that was long.  I started reading, then skimming, then just scrolling to see how long it was.

It wasn't actually any new information about Mustachianism, just a profile on the man himself.  I don't get what one would learn from an article like this, but I guess people like to know what they consider intimate details about others.

400k/year earnings from the blog is pretty good.

The fact that he still spends 24k/yr (plus the paid off house, so maybe ~40-45k with the imputed rent) while earning 400k/yr and having a stache of over 1MM is pretty darn cool.
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$400K a year! WOW!
Referrals for credit cards and the ilks of Betterment pay very well. Building a community like this one is no small feat, and the forums are a tiny tiny fraction of overall readership.

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$400K a year! WOW!
Referrals for credit cards and the ilks of Betterment pay very well. Building a community like this one is no small feat, and the forums are a tiny tiny fraction of overall readership.

I get it, and I don't think it's undeserved, not at all. I was just surprised/impressed by the total. I mean, didn't JD Roth sell Get Rich slowly for a couple million bucks? And I don't think he was making anywhere near this amount. Amazing.

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I really liked the reference to growing up in Canada where there was a "complete absence of foreign cars."

Aww, that's cute.  We think of Canada as the northernmost state too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_Canada

In all seriousness though, are there (or were there) sufficient Canadian car companies to where most were domestic, or was he just referring to foreign automakers with plants in Canada?

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I think it'd be great if we could somehow figure out how much money finding this site has saved us.  As a community.  Like, everyone makes an estimate, add it all together, and have that be something Pete could talk about.  I don't know how to go about organizing something like that though.

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Re: New Yorker Article: The Scold
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2016, 08:52:47 AM »
It still irks me that articles about MMM seem to point out all the perceived negatives and idiosyncrasies, instead of the positive side of things.

And yeah, it was a really long article, but I kind of like that. In a time when our brains are changing because of the Internet and shorter articles, this was the Jane Austen of blog/magazine profiles. Kudos to those who read the whole thing.

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Jesus, that was long.  I started reading, then skimming, then just scrolling to see how long it was.

It wasn't actually any new information about Mustachianism, just a profile on the man himself.  I don't get what one would learn from an article like this, but I guess people like to know what they consider intimate details about others.

400k/year earnings from the blog is pretty good.

The fact that he still spends 24k/yr (plus the paid off house, so maybe ~40-45k with the imputed rent) while earning 400k/yr and having a stache of over 1MM is pretty darn cool.

Huh. I figured you of all people here would have appreciated the article.  It was an exposé on the man who had become something bigger than himself.  I thought, for that reason alone, it was a worthwhile read.

But yeah, there wasn't too much new mustachian info.  Frankly, how much deeper can you go beyond the point of, "Just save more than you spend, you idiot."  I think the article was trying to highlight the man behind an ideal, but not necessarily promote said ideal.

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I really liked the reference to growing up in Canada where there was a "complete absence of foreign cars."

Aww, that's cute.  We think of Canada as the northernmost state too.

Laughed at that too.  You mean everyone drove the Tim Horton MapleLeaf?

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This thread put me in mind of the various reactions of the still-faithful congregation when their preacher with a television ministry is revealed to have a scattering of second, third and fourth houses, and a string of Rolls-Royces in the garages.


Just sayin...

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$400k/yr blog income?

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It still irks me that articles about MMM seem to point out all the perceived negatives and idiosyncrasies, instead of the positive side of things.

Yeah, the way this article was written is not going to sway most people to this type of lifestyle, especially revealing how much he makes from the blog.  I get a very different vibe from reading his blog posts than I got from reading his description in the article, and now I am struggling with which version of Pete is the truth.  In the article he comes across as an eccentric penny pinching judgemental miser, and the positive aspects of his message really receive short shrift. 

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Fun article to read. I don't think he loses any legitimacy no matter how much money he makes (off the blog or otherwise), if he's only spending $24k. He never said that you should limit what you earn :)

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You can make that much off of a blog?
Yearly??????

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Jesus, that was long.  I started reading, then skimming, then just scrolling to see how long it was.

It wasn't actually any new information about Mustachianism, just a profile on the man himself.  I don't get what one would learn from an article like this, but I guess people like to know what they consider intimate details about others.

400k/year earnings from the blog is pretty good.

The fact that he still spends 24k/yr (plus the paid off house, so maybe ~40-45k with the imputed rent) while earning 400k/yr and having a stache of over 1MM is pretty darn cool.

I don't understand why the "imputed rent" thing keeps coming up regarding MMM's annual expenses. In my mind, having a paid off house is the same as having a paid off car, paid off college education, etc - it's just another loan y'all. That's like me saying "my annual expenses are $50,000, but really more like $75,000 with the imputed mortgage + car loan + student loan payments". The whole point of having a paid off house is so it's not in your budget anymore to cover those mortgage payments. We don't drill down on those w/o car payments for getting ahead in the game by paying them off.

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It still irks me that articles about MMM seem to point out all the perceived negatives and idiosyncrasies, instead of the positive side of things.

Yeah, the way this article was written is not going to sway most people to this type of lifestyle, especially revealing how much he makes from the blog.  I get a very different vibe from reading his blog posts than I got from reading his description in the article, and now I am struggling with which version of Pete is the truth.  In the article he comes across as an eccentric penny pinching judgemental miser, and the positive aspects of his message really receive short shrift.

The one jab that irritated me most was the reference to "helicopter parenting." Is our society really so messed up that anyone who wants to spend more time with their kids is considered a helicopter parent??? Sad!

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Fun article to read. I don't think he loses any legitimacy no matter how much money he makes (off the blog or otherwise), if he's only spending $24k. He never said that you should limit what you earn :)

Exactly. 

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Jesus, that was long.  I started reading, then skimming, then just scrolling to see how long it was.

It wasn't actually any new information about Mustachianism, just a profile on the man himself.  I don't get what one would learn from an article like this, but I guess people like to know what they consider intimate details about others.

400k/year earnings from the blog is pretty good.

The fact that he still spends 24k/yr (plus the paid off house, so maybe ~40-45k with the imputed rent) while earning 400k/yr and having a stache of over 1MM is pretty darn cool.

I don't understand why the "imputed rent" thing keeps coming up regarding MMM's annual expenses. In my mind, having a paid off house is the same as having a paid off car, paid off college education, etc - it's just another loan y'all. That's like me saying "my annual expenses are $50,000, but really more like $75,000 with the imputed mortgage + car loan + student loan payments". The whole point of having a paid off house is so it's not in your budget anymore to cover those mortgage payments. We don't drill down on those w/o car payments for getting ahead in the game by paying them off.

Feel free to split it off to another thread, and I'll be happy to discuss, but too off topic for this one.

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Huh. I figured you of all people here would have appreciated the article.  It was an exposé on the man who had become something bigger than himself.  I thought, for that reason alone, it was a worthwhile read.

I've met Pete, several times, so it was probably less novel to me than to you.

That aside, I'm not so much into the biographies of the people behind the ideas as much as the ideas themselves.

If I knew nothing about MMM, Mustachianism would be just as useful to me.
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As a Canadian, I had to giggle at the many references to Canada being a less consumer-oriented nation. It has clearly been a long time since he has lived here! I'm in Alberta, where the streets were, until recently, paved with gold and gas-guzzlers! But, yes, the 70s-90s Canada was very different than it is today.

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Re: New Yorker Article
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2016, 10:08:06 AM »
I like the New Yorker anyway, so I thought this was an interesting article.  Pete's last name and his wife's name weren't exactly a secret since other bloggers have mentioned them and Pete's linked to his brother's site.  As for how he's portrayed, everyone knows engineers are a nerdy control-freak bunch.  :D

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It still irks me that articles about MMM seem to point out all the perceived negatives and idiosyncrasies, instead of the positive side of things.

Yeah, the way this article was written is not going to sway most people to this type of lifestyle, especially revealing how much he makes from the blog.  I get a very different vibe from reading his blog posts than I got from reading his description in the article, and now I am struggling with which version of Pete is the truth.  In the article he comes across as an eccentric penny pinching judgemental miser, and the positive aspects of his message really receive short shrift.

The article is written from the author's POV and he is clearly not on the bandwagon.  He was a bit snarky and obviously thinks the whole thing is for weirdo's.   I wouldn't let that cloud your opinion of MMM when you have probably spent a lot more time than this author in his head, reading his blog posts, and actually implementing some of his suggestions which have improved so many of our lives.

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I enjoyed reading the article also. It was interesting. The fact that he makes a bunch of $ does nothing to say he is a fraud, etc. Now if he was spending it all that would be a different story.  His travel is considered business expenses so not included in his yearly spending which does irk me. So with house and travel he probably spends about 70K/year. I would get tired of him trying to squeeze every penny of of things but many people are like that. Overall, most people live above their means and really suffer for it so the message is needed.

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So with house and travel he probably spends about 70K/year.

Huh?

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As a Canadian, I had to giggle at the many references to Canada being a less consumer-oriented nation. It has clearly been a long time since he has lived here! I'm in Alberta, where the streets were, until recently, paved with gold and gas-guzzlers! But, yes, the 70s-90s Canada was very different than it is today.

I giggled at these too. I suspect his references were also pretty specific to the circles he moved in as a kid. I'm also Canadian and roughly the same age as MMM. My dad had a golf club membership when I was a kid and my mom drove a Japanese made car. Neither of this things made us stand out in any way.

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Jesus, that was long.  I started reading, then skimming, then just scrolling to see how long it was.

Hahaha, yes, that's the New Yorker! While I don't mind the length, I felt kind of lost in the progression of the article. There was a lot of "... and then this happened, then that happened, then somebody said this" but missing a bit of glue, analysis, opinion or well, anything other than telling random bits of things that apparently happened...

I wonder who - other than readers of his blog - could be the target readershpip for such an article. On some of the elementary aspects of his approach it was very short on detail. Like for example:

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- He started at forty-one thousand dollars a year, with no savings or possessions except “a bike, a backpack, and a diploma.” He made the rookie mistake (“what a clueless young man!!!”) of buying a sports car with a loan from his sister.
- He got his first raise soon afterward, to fifty-seven thousand and six hundred dollars. By the end of year one, he’d saved five thousand dollars.
- A year later, he had twenty-three thousand.
- By year five, a quarter of a million.

Going from earning 57K before taxes and 5K savings to 23K savings in one year sems like a somewhat natural progression if you recently start saving a lot (19K of savings/interest/return a year). But going from there to a quarter of a million in another 4 years is somewhat extraordinary (another 227K in 4 years, or on average 57K a year - that's more savings/return a year than what he started out making before taxes just a few years earlier). And it's not explained or referenced anywhere else in the article. For someone that's not already familiar with the concept and ideas it would be rather difficult to come away with a good understanding of how this can actually be.


Regarding the CC referral fees - well, there's a reason they have such high payouts, because obviously they are able to earn a lot from their CC-customers. I remember a period when online-bookies were paying out referral fees for new customers and it was also somewhere in that ballpark. I still find some irony in the fact that you participate in the earnings from creditcard-customers while at the same time preaching a life without debt... Not criticizing though! If people were giving me free money for stuff I am recommending anyway I would take it as well (no harm as long as it's transparent, which MMM has always been).

I would have been surprised about the 400K number a few years ago. But after learning what a lot of the high profile youtubers earn, I am not so surprised anymore. It's not the website itself, it's the attention that it gathers and "shares" what is worth the money. It's not easy to gather attention - even if you do everything right.

Does it take away from the core message?  A little bit. There is a difference between being living proof that a certain approach works longterm, or having generated large amounts of other income / windfall / changes that significantly modify the context from the original premise. But of course there is no necessity of being or staying a living proof for anything.

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It was a great read.  I posted on my FB, got a couple of comments and 1 share, so I consider the message spread.   I indirectly talk about MMM on FB, with the occasional article post, but try to focus more on minimalism and not wanting more than you need.  Then I break things up by posting a picture of a cute kitten or puppy.

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It still irks me that articles about MMM seem to point out all the perceived negatives and idiosyncrasies, instead of the positive side of things.

Yeah, the way this article was written is not going to sway most people to this type of lifestyle, especially revealing how much he makes from the blog.  I get a very different vibe from reading his blog posts than I got from reading his description in the article, and now I am struggling with which version of Pete is the truth.  In the article he comes across as an eccentric penny pinching judgemental miser, and the positive aspects of his message really receive short shrift.

I, too, noticed and took issue with the tone of the piece; it indeed painted Pete to be miserly and penny-pinching, and I don't think it focused enough on the 'gloriousness' of him never having to work again...

It seems like most of the positive aspects of Mustachianism were not given much focus.

Regardless, I still found it interesting to catch a glimpse into Pete's life.

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The article is written from the author's POV and he is clearly not on the bandwagon.  He was a bit snarky and obviously thinks the whole thing is for weirdo's.   I wouldn't let that cloud your opinion of MMM when you have probably spent a lot more time than this author in his head, reading his blog posts, and actually implementing some of his suggestions which have improved so many of our lives.

I met this guy at the last MMM meetup in Longmont, and he definitely seemed a little weirded out, but mostly bemused by the gathering.

It was a pretty good read, but I was trying to read the whole thing on a break at work, and it kept going!

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It still irks me that articles about MMM seem to point out all the perceived negatives and idiosyncrasies, instead of the positive side of things.

Yeah, the way this article was written is not going to sway most people to this type of lifestyle, especially revealing how much he makes from the blog.  I get a very different vibe from reading his blog posts than I got from reading his description in the article, and now I am struggling with which version of Pete is the truth.  In the article he comes across as an eccentric penny pinching judgemental miser, and the positive aspects of his message really receive short shrift.

I, too, noticed and took issue with the tone of the piece; it indeed painted Pete to be miserly and penny-pinching, and I don't think it focused enough on the 'gloriousness' of him never having to work again...

It seems like most of the positive aspects of Mustachianism were not given much focus.

Regardless, I still found it interesting to catch a glimpse into Pete's life.

In our society there are just too many people who considered themselves well-read and intelligent who can't understand that a comfortable retirement is a) possible b) achievable for quite a bit of the population and c) at all desirable.  Too many times I've read articles linked here where the author (journalist/blogger/financial expert) is flabbergasted that someone would want to retire before 70, and if one strawman example can't pull it off, then it's impossible and should be universally ridiculed.

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Cool that he likes a beer before noon, not to mention a smoke, in moderation of course  - living the dream MMM

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The "Magic the Gathering" thing kind of bummed me out.

I know it isn't my place to pass judgement on how parents raise their kids, but if you're describing your son as "reclusive" and "sensitive", and then he has an opportunity to hang out with a friend, is a $4 pack of magic cards really the hill that you want to die on?

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Good article - I was most surprised that he characterized himself as a stoner.

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The "Magic the Gathering" thing kind of bummed me out.

I know it isn't my place to pass judgement on how parents raise their kids, but if you're describing your son as "reclusive" and "sensitive", and then he has an opportunity to hang out with a friend, is a $4 pack of magic cards really the hill that you want to die on?

In his defense, the article never says what the resolution was.

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Am I the only one that was a bit uncomfortable with the author's inclusion of personal details about MMM's son? 
At times it felt like a psycoanalysis on the boy's personality and upbringing.  Leave Mini MM out of it!


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In his defense, the article never says what the resolution was.

This is true.

I just think as a kid it might be a bummer that going to a friend's house has to turn into a big discussion about the value of a $4 pack of cards.

Of course, I don't know the situation so I could be completely off base.

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It still irks me that articles about MMM seem to point out all the perceived negatives and idiosyncrasies, instead of the positive side of things.

Yeah, the way this article was written is not going to sway most people to this type of lifestyle, especially revealing how much he makes from the blog.  I get a very different vibe from reading his blog posts than I got from reading his description in the article, and now I am struggling with which version of Pete is the truth.  In the article he comes across as an eccentric penny pinching judgemental miser, and the positive aspects of his message really receive short shrift.

I, too, noticed and took issue with the tone of the piece; it indeed painted Pete to be miserly and penny-pinching, and I don't think it focused enough on the 'gloriousness' of him never having to work again...

It seems like most of the positive aspects of Mustachianism were not given much focus.

Regardless, I still found it interesting to catch a glimpse into Pete's life.

It definitely wasn't a pro-MMM propaganda piece. I wouldn't have necessarily expected it to be either. The intent seemed to spend time with MMM and his close family and get a better understanding of the man and what drives him. Given that most people aren't Mustachian, it wasn't a hit job that it could have been and I came away with what I think is a better understanding of MMM. I guess we'd need to hear from MMM to see if he felt that the article was unfair.

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I agree with you in principle, but often with kids you do something for them while cringing inwardly at the cost/waste.

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And here's how I wonder exactly how well MMM agreed with the characterization of him as a benevolent dictator, anti-consumption zealot unwilling to shell out a few bucks for stuff his kid doesn't need so that he can go to a party and hang out with friends. No matter how it was finally resolved, the author painted a picture that many would consider as unflattering. Curious what MMM thought of that.

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Am I the only one that was a bit uncomfortable with the author's inclusion of personal details about MMM's son? 
At times it felt like a psycoanalysis on the boy's personality and upbringing.  Leave Mini MM out of it!

Yes and no.  On one hand, it's not about the kid.  On the other, MMM has kinda invited scrutiny on the raising of his kid given that he, IMO, throws a fair number of stones (if not directly at) in the general direction of people who don't prioritize quitting their jobs in order to stay home and school their kid(s).  And wrote at least one blog post about "If I ran the schools" etc.  Based SOLELY on the content of the article and a couple discussion points in the blog post(ie, I could easily be swayed otherwise with more information), it reinforces for me the negative stereotypes of homeschooling and the positive aspects of what my kid gets out of preschool when I drop her off on my way to work. 

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It still irks me that articles about MMM seem to point out all the perceived negatives and idiosyncrasies, instead of the positive side of things.

Yeah, the way this article was written is not going to sway most people to this type of lifestyle, especially revealing how much he makes from the blog.  I get a very different vibe from reading his blog posts than I got from reading his description in the article, and now I am struggling with which version of Pete is the truth.  In the article he comes across as an eccentric penny pinching judgemental miser, and the positive aspects of his message really receive short shrift.

I, too, noticed and took issue with the tone of the piece; it indeed painted Pete to be miserly and penny-pinching, and I don't think it focused enough on the 'gloriousness' of him never having to work again...

It seems like most of the positive aspects of Mustachianism were not given much focus.

Regardless, I still found it interesting to catch a glimpse into Pete's life.

I saw the references to him being an "enginerd" to balance out the characterization.  This is just part of his personality and the way his mind works.  There were several references to his constant need to optimize whatever he was doing.  The author made it very clear that Pete doesn't feel like he's missing out on anything (though the bit about his son revealed that there may be limits).  The article was less about mustachianism and more of an insight into the guy who created it.

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often with kids you do something for them while cringing inwardly at the cost/waste.
At that age, most boys still idolize their dads, so it's probably fine now.  But the same type of thing in adolescence might make a kid really resent a parent. 
... painted Pete to be miserly and penny-pinching, and I don't think it focused enough on the 'gloriousness' of him never having to work again...
It seems like most of the positive aspects of Mustachianism were not given much focus.
I would have loved to have seen the quote about his life being an exploding volcano of awesomeness.  I don't think any phrase better sums up what I want my life to be like. 

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Am I the only one that was a bit uncomfortable with the author's inclusion of personal details about MMM's son? 
At times it felt like a psycoanalysis on the boy's personality and upbringing.  Leave Mini MM out of it!

Yes and no.  On one hand, it's not about the kid.  On the other, MMM has kinda invited scrutiny on the raising of his kid given that he, IMO, throws a fair number of stones (if not directly at) in the general direction of people who don't prioritize quitting their jobs in order to stay home and school their kid(s).  And wrote at least one blog post about "If I ran the schools" etc.  Based SOLELY on the content of the article and a couple discussion points in the blog post(ie, I could easily be swayed otherwise with more information), it reinforces for me the negative stereotypes of homeschooling and the positive aspects of what my kid gets out of preschool when I drop her off on my way to work.
I guess what I'm most uncomfortable with is the details about the child, whereas I'm not as worried about comments about MMM's broader parenting style (e.g. his running commentary about waste to his son).  Specifically I am uncomfortable about parts in the article that talk about Mini MM as "having a reclusive streak" and that bit about sending a robotic camera to "check [the author] out" before meeting him in person. The article also frames the Magic cards situation as if the boy was desperately in need of social contact.

I had my share of problems at that age, and if a journalist had come by to document my father's life as a doctor I would have been mortified to find personal details about me in that article. 

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Am I the only one that was a bit uncomfortable with the author's inclusion of personal details about MMM's son? 
At times it felt like a psycoanalysis on the boy's personality and upbringing.  Leave Mini MM out of it!

Yes and no.  On one hand, it's not about the kid.  On the other, MMM has kinda invited scrutiny on the raising of his kid given that he, IMO, throws a fair number of stones (if not directly at) in the general direction of people who don't prioritize quitting their jobs in order to stay home and school their kid(s).  And wrote at least one blog post about "If I ran the schools" etc.  Based SOLELY on the content of the article and a couple discussion points in the blog post(ie, I could easily be swayed otherwise with more information), it reinforces for me the negative stereotypes of homeschooling and the positive aspects of what my kid gets out of preschool when I drop her off on my way to work.
I guess what I'm most uncomfortable with is the details about the child, whereas I'm not as worried about comments about MMM's broader parenting style (e.g. his running commentary about waste to his son).  Specifically I am uncomfortable about parts in the article that talk about Mini MM as "having a reclusive streak" and that bit about sending a robotic camera to "check [the author] out" before meeting him in person. The article also frames the Magic cards situation as if the boy was desperately in need of social contact.

I had my share of problems at that age, and if a journalist had come by to document my father's life as a doctor I would have been mortified to find personal details about me in that article.

Sure, but like I said, I wonder to what extent MMM's lifestyle breeds those behaviors, so it seems applicable. 

I'd also love to know how miniMMM is going to be in about 25 years.  For one thing, I get it's a controversial topic, but if my dad was stashing $400k/yr from basically passive blog income that he wasn't spending and then he told me to go find my own way to pay for college, I'd be a bit miffed.  But I come from a background where my parents specifically sacrificed to pay for college with the request I do the same for my kid(s). 

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!