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ministache

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New guy from Michigan
« on: September 02, 2014, 06:25:26 AM »
Hi all,

I've been reading MMM for a while and just decided to join the forums to ask some questions. When I first got married, my wife hated the idea of paying down debt. I convinced her to give it a try and we managed to pay off 175k of student loans for her law degree in 43 months. Now we're paying off the house and stashing cash. Both early 30s and have our first child due this month.

We're trying to figure out a reasonable plan for FI right now. Both of us are type A personalities/overachievers and have a hard time imagining not working. But we also don't want to miss our child/children growing up.

In our free time we enjoy lifting weights and hanging out with our dogs. Looking forward to spending time here with all of you.

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Re: New guy from Michigan
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2014, 06:48:19 AM »
Welcome and congrats on embracing Mustachianism. Also, congrats on your first child! It certainly sounds like things are in flux.

When you think about FI and retirement, don't think of the ultimate goal as not working. Think of the ultimate goal as having the ability to not work if you so choose. You can work well into old age if you like. Like you, I feel like I would want something to keep me busy, so I might take a PT job when I FIRE. But I also plan to take up some serious hobbies to fill my time that are worthwhile and rewarding. And that PT job I take - I'm taking no bull there. I'm going somewhere I like to be and if they jerk me around, I can just leave with no financial issues to worry about. Doesn't that sound great?

ministache

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Re: New guy from Michigan
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2014, 08:32:48 AM »
Yeah, not having to go to work would be awesome. That's where we want to be. Both have fairly demanding jobs right now, but the benefits and pay are great and we'll put in some time to stack cash. Getting rid of law school debt was all it took so both of us wouldn't have to work. We immediately had a sense of relief knowing either one of us could walk out the door if work became too much of a hassle.

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Re: New guy from Michigan
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2014, 10:01:50 AM »
Welcome!

What part of MI are you from?  I am from Grand Haven on the west side, and it's hard to find people from the area.

You mention trying to figure out a FI plan, what do you have laid out so far now that the student loans are gone?  Excellent work on that, by the way.

ministache

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Re: New guy from Michigan
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2014, 02:22:17 PM »
We are downriver. There is a high likelihood one of us will have a new job in the next 6 months, so we are just saving up. Once we know about the job situation, we'll either relocate within the state or pay off our current house. What we owe on the current house is basically equivalent to the downpayment we'd like to make if we end up moving.

We're getting ready to review options for investing our cash because we're possibly only a few months away from having no mortgage. It always seemed like that would happen so far in the future I didn't pay enough attention to investments.

We'll also have to make a plan for some savings for the kid's future college expenses. Even though we're weeks away from a baby, it hasn't quite sunk in yet.

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Re: New guy from Michigan
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2014, 06:07:45 PM »
Greetings from Michigan! I don't know if there are too many of us around here.

Sounds like you're making good money... how much are you utilizing your 401Ks (or whatever your employers offer)? That's probably smarter than paying down a low interest mortgage since you're probably in a higher tax bracket. Sounds like you should set aside enough cash/home equity to be able to make a down payment if you decide to move, but after that I would probably max your 401Ks.

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Re: New guy from Michigan
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2014, 08:28:40 PM »
Nice to see another Michigander around here. I'm up in Port Huron good to have you on the forum. It sounds like you're making good progress towards FI. I'm interested in hearing about what other type A FI people plan to do with their time. I'm a few years off from FI and trying to figure out what would drive me to work as hard as I do now if I didn't have to.

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Re: New guy from Michigan
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2014, 09:57:48 PM »
Northern Oakland County here.  I retired because I could not find a decent paying job up here -  55 years old.  Hubby is in auto industry and plans to retire in 5 years.  Traditional work/retire plan.  Trying to explain to my kids (22 and 25) there is another way of working/retiring!  Still enjoy this site though and the many many things I have learned.

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Re: New guy from Michigan
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2014, 04:48:10 AM »
Southern Oakland Co here and also new to the forum. Nice to see people from my area. Sweet!

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Re: New guy from Michigan
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2014, 08:26:10 AM »
Welcome from another Michigander (or Michiganian)!  I'm in SE Oakland county so not too far from you.

Congrats on the baby, paying off debt and getting DW on board with you. 

Sounds like you guys have a fantastic income.  Keep your expenses low and you're on your way to an early FI(RE).  Being FI doesn't mean that you have to RE.  Feel free to work as much as you want.  The nice thing about FI is that you don't HAVE to work.  It changes your whole feelings about work. 

ministache

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Re: New guy from Michigan
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2014, 02:16:59 PM »
When I got my first raise at a real job after college, I put all of it into my 401k. Then I kept that same percentage investment each time I changed jobs and/or my income went up. We have a decent start on 401ks. Hers is maxed out and mine will be next year. The combined 401k balance is somewhere around 200k.

When I mentioned thinking about investments next, I really meant more flexible investments than traditional retirement accounts. We'll keep contributing to 401ks for tax purposes, but we're looking for something to use for our other savings. Maybe REITs?

We certainly have an above average income for the area. Although the law school debt was rough, the degree has more than paid for itself already. DW also really likes what she does. We don't suggest a career in law to the average person, but it has worked out well for her. For people with less financial discipline, it's got the potential to bring on more debt than you can imagine.

People couldn't understand why we didn't have cable or buy new clothes all the time. We also rarely went out to eat and generally managed one reasonably cheap vacation per year. There's a slight amount of lifestyle inflation now - we have cable to watch football and we have been going out to eat a little more lately. We've done some experimenting over the years and determined what we enjoy using our money for. We don't feel guilty about spending money on things we really enjoy. The funny thing is the less debt we have, the less money we want to spend on foolish things.

The next step is downgrading from iPhones to plain cell phones. I'm trying to wade my way through the communications guide to reduce costs there.  Oh, and trying to be relatively minimalist parents. No mountain of crappy plastic toys or a million single-use items here.

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Re: New guy from Michigan
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2014, 09:06:10 PM »
Good to see others from MI here.  We live in north Oakland county.  Great job paying down debt!  Definitely max out 401k accounts.  We found it very helpful to set savings goals for ourselves with the eventual goal of living off one income.  Saving to 401k accounts but then also saving more than 1/2 of one take home pay now.  As another type A I think having stretch goals for finances has been very helpful for us.  Tracking progress also helps, seeing that net worth grow is empowering. 

I haven't tackled our iPhone plans yet but MMM's posts there do make me think that should be a 2015 goal. 


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Re: New guy from Michigan
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2014, 10:23:48 PM »
Once we know about the job situation, we'll either relocate within the state or pay off our current house. What we owe on the current house is basically equivalent to the downpayment we'd like to make if we end up moving.

When I mentioned thinking about investments next, I really meant more flexible investments than traditional retirement accounts. We'll keep contributing to 401ks for tax purposes, but we're looking for something to use for our other savings. Maybe REITs?

You want to buy a house worth 5 times your current house and then you want to double down on REITs? This is a terrible idea from a diversification standpoint.

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Re: New guy from Michigan
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2014, 04:32:09 AM »
Congrats for your baby and enjoy your life to the fullest.

ministache

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Re: New guy from Michigan
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2014, 07:24:48 AM »
You want to buy a house worth 5 times your current house and then you want to double down on REITs? This is a terrible idea from a diversification standpoint.

I never said I want to buy a place worth 5x the current house. I said we would have the cash to either pay off our current house or potentially move.