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Paul C.

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New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« on: August 02, 2014, 06:54:04 AM »
Hello,

I am a new dad as of 3 weeks ago, and I'm struggling with how my early retirement plans (affectionately called "The Plan") are affected by my new life.  I have run all the numbers, created the spreadsheets, updated Quicken, and I can't seem to make my plan work now that I have to factor in a kid.  All the numbers come back with finances falling terribly short of what's needed.

I think the biggest factor is the loss of my wife's income (at least in the short term) and then saving up for college.  Are there any other new dads out there that are struggling with this same issue?

Thanks,
Paul

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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2014, 07:11:07 AM »
I have a 15 month old boy with plans for a second and possibly third in the next few years. I'm not gonna lie, it will slow things down. My wife works part time and will do until our last child is school age. I have quit working overtime to spent more time helping at home. Ollie already eats as much as my wife so the food bill costs more. All these things will slow down plans for FIRE considerably.

But guess what? It's totally worth it. There are plenty of things that are more important than money. And one of them is family. And having a family means you always have a fun free thing to do with your time. I certainly don't buy into the idea that you have to spend a fortune. All of his clothes and toys are used or presents off friends and family. Most of our days out are a variation on a walk and a picnic.

I guess it may be easier psychologically for me as I didn't get my act together until after he was born!

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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2014, 07:34:20 AM »

But guess what? It's totally worth it. There are plenty of things that are more important than money. And one of them is family. And having a family means you always have a fun free thing to do with your time. I certainly don't buy into the idea that you have to spend a fortune. All of his clothes and toys are used or presents off friends and family. Most of our days out are a variation on a walk and a picnic.

I guess it may be easier psychologically for me as I didn't get my act together until after he was born!

Agree, there are more important things than money, although I am hoping at some point money will enable me to spend more time with my family, and less time working.

The good things about all the baby accouterments was that my sister gave us most of the expensive items (crib, car seat, stroller, etc.) so we didn't have to buy any of that stuff.  Most of the baby clothes were also either gifts or given to us by my sister.

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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2014, 09:20:41 AM »
I was in that situation a little over a year ago.

1) Get your baby stuff used, preferably free. Clothes are going to be outgrown in a matter of months. Put the word out among your family/friends/colleagues that you would be happy to take any lightly used baby/toddler stuff. We got a bunch of basically new, free baby clothes.

2) Use Craigslist for any bigger stuff you still need, then sell it back when done. We bought an exersaucer for $20-$25* - sold it for $30 when he outgrew it 8 months later.

3) College? I'm gonna be retired, assets will almost entirely be the house, money stashed in IRAs and a modest pension. Financial aid doesn't (currently) count assets in retirement accounts or the primary residence (I think) - easily will be eligible for financial aid, and I'm already telling him that his "summer job" between Junior and Senior year will be applying for scholarships.

*I thought it was $25, wife says it was $20

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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2014, 10:35:59 AM »
My own circumstances are a little different in that I was very anti-mustache in my single years and suddenly found myself as the father of a kiddo at age 30, which is right about the time I started to grow the stache.

No way around it, kids are expensive. The best you can do is apply frugal principles. Buy used kid gear and get second hand cloths and toys. Avoid Ivy League Pre School Syndrome and understand that all the Baby Einstein videos and expensive toys and private schools will have a net zero return on your money when it comes to your kids future.

Opinions on this vary, but I am of the opinion that college is NOT a mandatory fee associated with parenthood. My parents did not pay for my college, I worked and paid my own way. My older sister did it even better and went through on a full ride scholarship. We both now have successful medical careers after having graduated. It was never an expectation that our parents pay for our college, even though they probably could have afforded it. I think both of us value our degrees more because of "The incomparable advantage of having to work for what we got".

 

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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2014, 10:37:40 AM »
I think there are more important things in life for you then retiring early my friend. :).   So what.....you work 5 years longer?

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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2014, 10:46:22 AM »
Was the child a surprise?

I've factored in the addition of children into our plans.  Yeah, we could retire earlier without them, but I think a few extra years of day to day effort will be worth it.

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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2014, 01:17:03 PM »
I read a book once that called the post partum period the twilight zone. Any arguments or conflict that arises in the first three months is not real and should be reevaluated when your baby is older and you are less shocked and exhausted.

Congrats on the little one!

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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2014, 03:36:34 AM »
You can always semi fire. Sure you may be looking at working an extra 3-5 years. But only working 3 days a week can be a nice way to ease yourself into a full FI lifestyle, while making up those few years of lost income/additional expenses.

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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2014, 04:27:19 AM »
Congratulations

Three weeks?  You are still in shock from the change in your life (even good change is hard), and exhausted from the sleeplessness, terror and sheer hard work a baby brings.  Cut yourself and your previous plans a little slack, and trust that it will all come right in the end, it just takes a little time to adjust.

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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2014, 11:01:52 AM »
I feel you, my friend. My wife and I have one kid, who we had before becoming mustachian. At first it was pretty hard to get everything budgeted properly, but we eventually figured it out. Now we're back to saving a decent portion of our incomes even with the added expensive (daycare is brutal here!). Sure it's not as much as we would be saving without our daughter, but it's still progress.

We're about to have kid #2 (due in early Dec), so I have pushed out my ER horizon a bit further still, but even if it takes longer to get there, it's worth it. :)

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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2014, 11:36:28 AM »
Quote from: Paul C. link=topic=21565.msg360660#msg360660

Agree, there are more important things than money, although I am hoping at some point money will enable me to spend more time with my family, and less time working.


OK, and I have no idea how much you work, but personally I find time spent with my family has the same diminishing marginal return as pretty much everything else.  I'd way rather spend some time with my family while our son is growing up than prioritize having more time (to myself or for them -- out of the workforce) sooner.

Having a 3 week old is called, you just jumped into a giant pool of freezing cold spring water -- or whatever.  Hopefully you're treading water and not drowning, but at that stage as far as I'm concerned all you can do is keep on keeping on.  Not the time for major life changes (that weren't planned in advance) or hand wringing over the future -- it gets easier.  Hang in there.

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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2014, 01:19:25 PM »
It might sound counter-intuitive, but don't run the numbers on FI until you get through sleep training your child (probably a few months away).  The first three weeks with our son were really physically demanding.  We had some ups and downs, but life balanced back out eventually.  You're probably pretty tired and also adjusting to the new condition (fatherhood).  Take your time.  Enjoy this whenever you can see straight.  After a few months, you'll start to see ways to catch up!

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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2014, 01:41:58 PM »
Been there, done that. :)  We have 2 kids so we gave up 2 yrs of my SO/GF income which is well over $230k pre/tax.

We've broken down the numbers and I'll work a few more yrs and she'll work a few more yrs part-time.  No biggie, kids are awesome :)  And yes as counter MMM as it is, we've decided to pay for our kids college if they want to go that direction.
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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2014, 02:43:16 PM »
I was in that situation a little over a year ago.

1) Get your baby stuff used, preferably free. Clothes are going to be outgrown in a matter of months. Put the word out among your family/friends/colleagues that you would be happy to take any lightly used baby/toddler stuff. We got a bunch of basically new, free baby clothes.

2) Use Craigslist for any bigger stuff you still need, then sell it back when done. We bought an exersaucer for $20-$25* - sold it for $30 when he outgrew it 8 months later.

3) College? I'm gonna be retired, assets will almost entirely be the house, money stashed in IRAs and a modest pension. Financial aid doesn't (currently) count assets in retirement accounts or the primary residence (I think) - easily will be eligible for financial aid, and I'm already telling him that his "summer job" between Junior and Senior year will be applying for scholarships.

*I thought it was $25, wife says it was $20

I like a lot of what TomTX has said.  We have a 14 month old, and 1 and 2 are dead on.   We had so much clothes, clothes from gifts and bought used closed for $1/$2 that we could have easily not bought any new clothing, some items he only wore once or twice, they grow so fast.  Same for toys, etc, anything we didn't get as a gift, we bought  used.  We plan to sell these for pretty much what we paid for them.  As for college, we are going to contribute to our son's college fund (without him knowing about it), however we certainly aren't going to PAY for the entire thing.  I'm of the view that college is a good time to lean how to deal with finances, and hopefully he will learn to be more financially responsible because of it in the long run. 

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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2014, 03:23:50 PM »
Lets see - lower income with DW staying home plus higher expenses from new baby = change of plans. 

However, you do have some control over how the plans change such as reducing some other expenses that you have (cable, eating out, housing, etc.), managing to a few extra years of working, increasing your income, and so on....

My DW dropped out of work for 5+ years to stay home and while we saw a number of expenses increase such as groceries, activities, school costs, health care, etc we ended up cutting a number of expenses such as

- we stopped eating out (who wants to with kids anyway),
- we became more mindful of our shopping (Target was a silent killer of savings),
- downsing from a 4bd 2400 sf house with finished basement to a 3bed 1800 sf house without a basement (reminder about 3 kids here) but it resulted in reduced utilities and taxes.
- there is more that we have done and honestly there is more we could do

Oh yeah, because she was home and managing the hardest job in the world I was able to invest more in my job because we weren't both running around like mad with two jobs so my income ended up increasing along the way.

In the end it did delay the plans somewhat particiularly because of the "Choice" to live in the area we are in and the cost of the activities/sports that they are involved in. 

In some regard, I (and you and everyone else with kids) is trading some portion of your FIRE to fund the FD (Financial Dependence) of your kids (typically 18 or more years).


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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2014, 05:52:33 PM »
Your wife will eventually be able to take on some chores that should offset the loss of her income (more cooking, chores, perhaps biking instead of driving), but right now she's still in recovery mode, so you won't see the offset for a while. 

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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2014, 06:12:04 PM »
I've been reading the forums for ages, but finally registered so I could reply to this thread.

I'm in a very similar situation.  My wife and I are expecting our first baby in about four weeks, and as of right now we're down to one income for a while.

One thing my wife has done to help is to learn how to make a lot of the things baby will need (quilts, wraps, burp cloths, change table covers, bibs, breast feeding covers and even some teddies).  She was given a sewing machine, and it seemed like a great way to both save some money and learn new skills at the same time.

She decided to start a blog and put up some free tutorials to help others.  I know she'd appreciate some feedback, particularly if it helps someone in a similar situation - http://www.buttonsandbooties.blogspot.com.au/

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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2014, 08:19:43 PM »
Wow, thanks for all the replies everyone! 

Just to answer a few questions:  Our daughter was a bit of a surprise, my wife and I are a bit older (I'm 45) so I thought I had my FI/ER plan in stone and I was running with it.  I am still in shock with a 3 week old, and probably only getting about 2-3 hours of broken sleep a night.

I'm currently working around 50-60 hours a week in my job, however I am lucky to be able to work from home 100% of the time, so I do get to see my daughter sporadically throughout the day.

We did get most of our baby items (the expensive stuff and clothes) free or at very low cost.

Again, thanks for the replies, lots of great tips and things to think about!

Paul


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Re: New Dad - Early Retirement Plan Faltering
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2014, 10:39:39 PM »
I read a book once that called the post partum period the twilight zone. Any arguments or conflict that arises in the first three months is not real and should be reevaluated when your baby is older and you are less shocked and exhausted.

I'm only coming out from under the fog after two years! Long term plans and big decisions have had to wait until our brains were functioning properly again. :)