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neighbors making me feel like an asshole
« on: December 03, 2015, 06:19:52 AM »
We live in a 'well to do' neighborhood- you know, golf course etc.  Most of our neighbors are very nice but non-mustachian.  Yesterday, we were chatting about the holidays and they asked me about who I was "giving" to this year.  I said family and the two charities that we support (that's all).  They went on and on about what they're getting for the babysitter, the mail carrier, the golf staff, teachers, daycare workers etc and implying that I need to be more generous.  I mentally added that up and there's no way we're doing that but it did make me feel like kind of an asshole.  Has anyone else had this experience?

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Re: neighbors making me feel like an asshole
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2015, 06:28:07 AM »
First....you're not an a$$hole.

Second,  asking about financial issues is bad manners for your neighbor.
I would suggest that it's none of their business what and if you decide to "give".

Some suggested responses:

  -  "Oh, why do you ask?"
  -  "Oh,  why would you need to know that?"
  -  "I consider that a private matter and prefer not to discuss it".




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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2015, 06:53:13 AM »
First....you're not an a$$hole.

Second,  asking about financial issues is bad manners for your neighbor.
I would suggest that it's none of their business what and if you decide to "give".

Some suggested responses:

  -  "Oh, why do you ask?"
  -  "Oh,  why would you need to know that?"
  -  "I consider that a private matter and prefer not to discuss it".

what about

    - "Oh, go f@ck yourself'

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Re: neighbors making me feel like an asshole
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2015, 07:01:20 AM »
I think smile and nod and ignore them is the best solution.

But if you have to say something, here's my vote.

I'm assuming you didn't discuss amounts, so when they suggest all that, say "Oh... Which of the two charities I named should I give less to in order to do that?"
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2015, 07:07:29 AM »
#cough# first world problems.

Seriously, just nod and smile and then go and play with your exponentially growing Excel spreadsheet whilst they scrape two cents together to cover their car payment.

I had a similar situation where someone told me I HAD TO donate to a company cause. I nodded, donated as I usually do and went on with my day.

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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2015, 07:14:55 AM »
You don't give much details on the conversation, but I find it difficult to come up with a scenario in which your neighbor is doing anything other than bragging. I suppose it's conceivable that they're genuinely advocating for you to give out of their heartfelt concern for the mail carrier, but I really doubt it. Anyway, if someone is bragging about their "generosity," they're the asshole, not you.

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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2015, 07:16:40 AM »
To offer a slightly different perspective, I think it's worth using such questions or conversations, which may be rude or tactless, for a bit of self reflection. I was subjected to a similar exchange in the past few years and had a similar reaction at the time--who was this person to critique my generosity, how dare they, etc. But when cooler heads prevailed, I had to admit that they had a point--I actually was overly stingy and had let my drive for savings, frugality and the like blind me to that fact. I've since increased my giving substantially (though it still has further to go!) and, the funny thing is, haven't really noticed any decrease in savings rate.

My point isn't that you should give more--as with most things, it's really an individual and very personal decision--but rather that it's easy to react and take offense at the foolish/ignorant/rude statements of others. In my eyes, trying to critically examine such statements to improve yourself is really the best come back you make to such onslaughts--they use it as an opportunity to display their negative qualities, you use it as an opportunity to further improve your positive ones.

Just my two cents.

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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2015, 07:27:51 AM »
In my eyes, trying to critically examine such statements to improve yourself is really the best come back you make to such onslaughts--they use it as an opportunity to display their negative qualities, you use it as an opportunity to further improve your positive ones.

Just my two cents.

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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2015, 07:40:54 AM »
Sooo...does anyone give money to their mail carrier, trash collector, others this time of year?

I never have in the past because I find it bizarre that a complete stranger would expect a gift from me for doing their job. But, I do wonder if it makes me an asshole if everyone else is doing it.

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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2015, 07:45:23 AM »
Sooo...does anyone give money to their mail carrier, trash collector, others this time of year?

I never have in the past because I find it bizarre that a complete stranger would expect a gift from me for doing their job. But, I do wonder if it makes me an asshole if everyone else is doing it.

When I was a kid delivering newspapers, some people gave me extra cash for Christmas.  Given that I was making 35 cents a week per customer, it was appreciated!

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Re: neighbors making me feel like an asshole
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2015, 07:46:48 AM »
You are giving too many f*cks...give less f*cks.

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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2015, 07:50:27 AM »
Thanks everyone- definitely helped me! And now I have some great lines to use in future.

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Re: neighbors making me feel like an asshole
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2015, 07:57:27 AM »
I think smile and nod and ignore them is the best solution.

But if you have to say something, here's my vote.

I'm assuming you didn't discuss amounts, so when they suggest all that, say "Oh... Which of the two charities I named should I give less to in order to do that?"

Yeah but I think you are assuming that the neighbors operate under some sort of limit on what they spend/donate :-)

To the OP, they were just bragging.  You cant see a 20$ gift to the mail man so they have to tell you about it.

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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2015, 08:02:40 AM »
It's possible they were also trying to figure out if there was a common idea as to amount to give. 

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2015, 08:05:07 AM »
Good people help others all the time and don't feel the need to tell anyone about it.

These folks just want 'credit' for how good and generous they are. :(
« Last Edit: December 03, 2015, 08:06:38 AM by big_slacker »

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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2015, 08:06:49 AM »
It was poor form to bring it up, but FWIW we do give gift cards to teachers and cash to daycare workers. They work hard and I want to give to them. But considering we only get one paper a week, we don't give anything to newspaper carrier. If I had a friendly relationship with our postal worker, I would give him something.

What to give a 60+ year old male school bus driver? I'm stumped on that one. Somehow a $15 Target or Starbucks gift card doesn't seem like something he would like, although I see him drinking coffee. Maybe some ground coffee and chocolate? This is someone I see twice a day, and he has been driving our kids for 3 years now. I think it's nice to recognize people who care for your children. It's not obligatory, but it's nice.

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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2015, 08:19:47 AM »
What to give a 60+ year old male school bus driver? I'm stumped on that one. Somehow a $15 Target or Starbucks gift card doesn't seem like something he would like, although I see him drinking coffee. Maybe some ground coffee and chocolate? This is someone I see twice a day, and he has been driving our kids for 3 years now. I think it's nice to recognize people who care for your children. It's not obligatory, but it's nice.

Ferrari driving gloves!  They start around 100$.  Coffee grounds sounds good if he uses a generic insulated travel mug, just nothing to girly or scented. 

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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2015, 08:24:39 AM »
Honestly, without knowing him its hard, but I would suspect he would be just as thankful for something as simple as remembering his name, saying thank you for doing a stand up job, and wishing him a merry Christmas.

Coffee grounds is not a bad idea, since I imagine a 65 year old bus driver probably brews his own coffee rather than going to Starbucks, although you would probably know better.

Anyway, we usually give the preschool teachers something, since my wife(teacher) often gets gifts from her students.

Other than family and maybe a close friend or two, thats it.

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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2015, 08:31:35 AM »
Sooo...does anyone give money to their mail carrier, trash collector, others this time of year?

I never have in the past because I find it bizarre that a complete stranger would expect a gift from me for doing their job. But, I do wonder if it makes me an asshole if everyone else is doing it.
This is probably a culture thing, but I get "christmas bonus for the servants" vibes from those kinds of gifts. I do my job, they do their job, we usually treat each other with respect (or mainly ignore each other as much as possible), and I continue to support their fight for decent pay and job security through my voting and union membership. Trash collectors (renovation operators) are having a huge jump in status now, BTW, because of increased recycling. They get better equipment and more training. Urban mining is one of the fastest growing sources of rare minerals and precious metals. This, of course, is reflected in their pay (~$50 000).

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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2015, 08:45:50 AM »
People do often give to those who provide services for them - nanny (babysitter is a bit new, unless you mean a very regular one with set hours), hairdresser, mail carrier, etc.  One legitimate solution for this some people avoid making an appointment near the holiday (e.g. hairdresser) - and, of course many MMM'ers never see a hairdresser.  I also figure that not many MMM'ers will be regular members at a golf course to worry about it.  Some such as postal workers have restriction on what they can accept due to various laws/regulations (http://about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2012/pb22349/html/cover_025.htm) - and of course, you're much less likely to make them work hard delivering frequent packages.  I take my trash to the town transfer station rather than pay for a service, so you may avoid that one as well.  (btw I've heard tales of trash collectors marking bins of homes that didn't give, and being less generous towards them with any issues such as overflowing trash, extra trash out one day etc., so keep in mind your likelihood to want to push the rules when deciding to give or not).  And you don't need to tip anyone who owns their own business.  So you're left with whomever cares for your child if you have one, and it doesn't seem unreasonable to say a small thank you.

That all said, it's not something he needed to ask you about so I'd take it as prying.  If you had wanted, you could have expressed surprise he wasn't donating to charities, but you don't really need to respond or engage on it.  You could also comment on how you don't use those services.

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« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2015, 08:49:40 AM »
Sooo...does anyone give money to their mail carrier, trash collector, others this time of year?

I never have in the past because I find it bizarre that a complete stranger would expect a gift from me for doing their job. But, I do wonder if it makes me an asshole if everyone else is doing it.
This is probably a culture thing, but I get "Christmas bonus for the servants" vibes from those kinds of gifts.
It's like tipping in a restaurant. If everyone does it except you it stands out.  I actually receive gifts from some of the people who do work for me. Probably because they want to keep me as their customer. Giving gifts is not a purely altruistic thing. Giving to people who do work for you is a good way to buy some loyalty and motivation.

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« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2015, 08:53:13 AM »
Turn it around on them.
Ask what they give the babysitter, mail carrier, golf staff, teachers, daycare workers, etc.?
If they respond something like a $20 gift certificate apiece ......... tell them "we always give at least $100 apiece".

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« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2015, 08:56:48 AM »
To offer a slightly different perspective, I think it's worth using such questions or conversations, which may be rude or tactless, for a bit of self reflection. I was subjected to a similar exchange in the past few years and had a similar reaction at the time--who was this person to critique my generosity, how dare they, etc. But when cooler heads prevailed, I had to admit that they had a point--I actually was overly stingy and had let my drive for savings, frugality and the like blind me to that fact. I've since increased my giving substantially (though it still has further to go!) and, the funny thing is, haven't really noticed any decrease in savings rate.

My point isn't that you should give more--as with most things, it's really an individual and very personal decision--but rather that it's easy to react and take offense at the foolish/ignorant/rude statements of others. In my eyes, trying to critically examine such statements to improve yourself is really the best come back you make to such onslaughts--they use it as an opportunity to display their negative qualities, you use it as an opportunity to further improve your positive ones.

Just my two cents.


I totally agree.


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« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2015, 08:58:52 AM »
You neighbors were out of line to bring this up of course, but most people I know give something to daycare providers and teachers and regular household service providers (we have a cleaner that comes in 1x/month).  I know that they appreciate the gift (we do cash or gift card) and the gesture, and don't see it as a "servant" bonus.   I have never given Christmas gifts to refuse collectors or a mail person because I don't know them and they change regularly.  I draw the line there, but if I had someone performing a regular/personal service (dog walker, weekend babysitter, massage therapist, favorite waitress, hair stylist), I would overpay/tip them around the holiday as a thank you. 

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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2015, 09:04:08 AM »
Almost all of you missed the real issue! Clearly, the correct solution is for the OP to move to a less pretentious neighborhood. Not only will he have less pompous neighbors who won't make him feel like an asshole, he won't be wasting his money on HOA fees to maintain the golf course etc.

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« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2015, 09:06:39 AM »
You are giving too many f*cks...give less f*cks.

Advice applies to most of life.

I love this advice. It works especially well when dealing with nosy passive aggressive a-h@les who feed on upsetting others because they are unhappy.

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« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2015, 09:23:32 AM »
I have a thick skin.  I remember my parents giving to everyone and their mother when I was a kid.  (The mail person, teachers, milk man, etc.)

We generally give cash to our cleaning lady (double face punch) and a gift card to my daycare provider.

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« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2015, 09:43:43 AM »
what they're getting for the babysitter, the mail carrier, the golf staff, teachers, daycare workers etc

We have given gifts to teachers before but that's mainly because NC teacher salaries are pretty much the worst in the country after accounting for cost of living. Now we homeschool so that doesn't apply. Other than mail carrier I don't do business with anyone else like this and I'm not sure the logic behind giving the mail carrier a gift. Should that include USPS, UPS, and Fedex? I think USPS is what most people would choose but really they mostly bring us junk mail. Aren't the folks on this list just doing their job? Don't want to sound heartless but I think there are more deserving recipients of charity. 

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« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2015, 10:57:27 AM »
People share things like this for all sorts of reasons. If you feel good about what you spend on/give to during the holidays, don't worry about it! I promise you, I grew up in a town filled with people like this and its insanity! I remember teachers getting $100 gift cards to Neimans and things like that. It's just conspicuous consumption at its worst.

If you want to thank people for what they do for you, why not write a note or a card? Bake some cookies or a banana bread. If someone handed me a homemade banana bread I'd be thrilled and probably eat the whole thing with some cream cheese, cause that's super tasty.

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« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2015, 11:22:38 AM »
People can go overboard with this stuff. That said we do give gifts to the teachers. Depends on our budget but it is either home baked items or a $15-20 gift certificate. To tell the truth I wish I could do more. I also live in NC and they spend a lot of time and often their own resources to teach the kids. We have been leaning more towards gift certificates if we can swing it; we learned one of the teachers is diabetic and it made me realize food gifts may or may not be appreciated by all depending on dietary restrictions.
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« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2015, 11:27:42 AM »
All this discussion about gift giving, and the feelings and uncertainty that go along with that are why I prefer Thanksgiving.  All the time off, no pressure to buy s**t for other people.

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« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2015, 11:27:53 AM »
I'd have fun with it in this case, because clearly these people are ridiculous and have a sunshine and lollipops view of the world.

I'd tell them that I am getting my mail carrier a Lexus RX300 fully loaded, my maid a vacation home in Italy, and the UPS guy a Mustang, etc.

Once you raise it to that level of ridiculous, they will slowly realize that getting any of these people a gift is ridiculous. Well, I suspect most people would, these people, they may be beyond help.

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« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2015, 11:45:38 AM »
There have been a lot of nasty type responses from the members here!  So your neighbor likes to brag, good for them, woopty do. No need to be a snarky asshat back to them. 

Don't feel obligated to give gifts, do so as you please.  If you do give a gift, I'm sure those people would be very appreciative. 

I gave a monetary gift to my trash collectors for having waaaaay more trash than normal people have.  (Remodel, and entirely in the rules!) I also helped load the truck with them too.  Now they wave and check to make sure I got all my trash out on a regular basis.  Gifts can go a long way.


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« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2015, 11:53:35 AM »
I'd have fun with it in this case, because clearly these people are ridiculous and have a sunshine and lollipops view of the world.

I'd tell them that I am getting my mail carrier a Lexus RX300 fully loaded, my maid a vacation home in Italy, and the UPS guy a Mustang, etc.

Once you raise it to that level of ridiculous, they will slowly realize that getting any of these people a gift is ridiculous. Well, I suspect most people would, these people, they may be beyond help.

It's "ridiculous" to give underpaid teachers and daycare workers a holiday gift?  That's a first for me, even on this board.

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« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2015, 12:17:26 PM »
(seriously, this is nothing against OP)

...but i'm always kind of amazed at these types of threads. Do people really let these types of things get to them? If I had been in that convo with said neighbor i can honestly say it wouldn't have even crossed my mind what their intentions were or what they were trying to imply. Not because I'm oblivious, but because i mean seriously, who fkn cares what somebody thinks of your gift giving philosophy? Do whatever you want.

Not trying to pick on OP, but i see a lot of threads that I'm just amazed are actual issues to somebody. People need to give less f*cks about completely meaningless stuff.

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« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2015, 12:22:57 PM »

 i give around 10% every 2 weeks and i routinely give to disabled vets and starving children in africa, so there isn't anyone that can legitimately be disapproving of me by comparison, especially if the person they are giving to lives in the usa; the richest country on earth.

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 you should give what you think is right and can live with personnaly. if its 10 percent, 5 percent or zero and you are fine with it; that's all that matters. there will always be others asking or implying you should give for this person or that cause; i have yet to have them ask me what i'm currently doing for others before asking from charity from me.

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« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2015, 12:54:15 PM »
Sooo...does anyone give money to their mail carrier, trash collector, others this time of year?

I never have in the past because I find it bizarre that a complete stranger would expect a gift from me for doing their job. But, I do wonder if it makes me an asshole if everyone else is doing it.
This is probably a culture thing, but I get "Christmas bonus for the servants" vibes from those kinds of gifts.
It's like tipping in a restaurant. If everyone does it except you it stands out.  I actually receive gifts from some of the people who do work for me. Probably because they want to keep me as their customer. Giving gifts is not a purely altruistic thing. Giving to people who do work for you is a good way to buy some loyalty and motivation.
Tipping is also a cultural thing. It is only the last years that have become common here, and it is only done in restaurants. Tipping taxi drivers, hairdressers, etc, would be seen as weird.

Gift giving to smooth things out, that is logical. But there is often a blurred line between that and corruption. As a teacher, and in my current job, I could not accept gifts worth more than $100.

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« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2015, 01:31:22 PM »
(seriously, this is nothing against OP)

...but i'm always kind of amazed at these types of threads. Do people really let these types of things get to them? If I had been in that convo with said neighbor i can honestly say it wouldn't have even crossed my mind what their intentions were or what they were trying to imply. Not because I'm oblivious, but because i mean seriously, who fkn cares what somebody thinks of your gift giving philosophy? Do whatever you want.

Not trying to pick on OP, but i see a lot of threads that I'm just amazed are actual issues to somebody. People need to give less f*cks about completely meaningless stuff.

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LOL I kind of agree. I would've thought about it - like someone else said, do I need to reassess what I am doing? - and moved on. Does the mail carrier need a Christmas gift? Probably not. If I had someone providing a regular service to me that I really appreciated (e.g. babysitter) I would probably get them something small.

I got the office assistants at my job a $5 coffee gift card. It's not necessary, but it's a nice token considering all they have done for me this year. Cost me $25 total. I also got my boss a bottle of wine from Bevmo's 5c sale (see, mustachian!). But it's not something I bring up in conversation e.g. like your neighbor, it sounds like bragging and faux-shock like you're some sort of uncouth cheapskate. 

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« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2015, 01:37:49 PM »
I must remember to give a gift to my hairdresser.  What do you think a Flowbee would like?

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« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2015, 01:44:32 PM »
I year end tip only my "regulars" who I wouldn't want replaced or have to replace.  I don't tip the USPS guy because he is not supposed to take tips (or so I have been told).
I did tip my lawn service guy who is as regular as a swiss watch because he lost his helper and yet never missed a schedule.  I consider him a kind man and a friend.  Same with my cleaning person... I admire her leaving her family behind and becoming her own small business in a foreign country at the age of 27.
Where I have had a difference of opinion with a neighbor is with my waste management guys- I tip them both at the holidays because I see them often, they wave everytime and most importantly don't refuse to take stuff away if I have field dressed a deer in my garage or cooked up a big batch of meth over the weekend :-)  Neighbor has been reprimanded a couple of times but my guys sometimes put my bins away for me on windy days... service is worth it to me.   

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« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2015, 02:24:04 PM »
I must remember to give a gift to my hairdresser.  What do you think a Flowbee would like?

This made me smile. I have a Wahl, personally. I call him Wally. Funny that he's never complained about not receiving a gift...

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Re: neighbors making me feel like an asshole
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2015, 02:58:51 PM »
This is why I will never live in a well to do neighborhood, no matter how much money I have. I like solid B neighborhoods, but the A neighborhoods bug me.

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Re: neighbors making me feel like an asshole
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2015, 03:05:13 PM »
(seriously, this is nothing against OP)

...but i'm always kind of amazed at these types of threads. Do people really let these types of things get to them? If I had been in that convo with said neighbor i can honestly say it wouldn't have even crossed my mind what their intentions were or what they were trying to imply. Not because I'm oblivious, but because i mean seriously, who fkn cares what somebody thinks of your gift giving philosophy? Do whatever you want.

Not trying to pick on OP, but i see a lot of threads that I'm just amazed are actual issues to somebody. People need to give less f*cks about completely meaningless stuff.

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similarly amazed (reading down the thread titles)...we seem be an easily annoyed and/or highly insecure bunch

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Re: neighbors making me feel like an asshole
« Reply #43 on: December 03, 2015, 03:21:34 PM »
What to give a 60+ year old male school bus driver? I'm stumped on that one. Somehow a $15 Target or Starbucks gift card doesn't seem like something he would like, although I see him drinking coffee. Maybe some ground coffee and chocolate? This is someone I see twice a day, and he has been driving our kids for 3 years now. I think it's nice to recognize people who care for your children. It's not obligatory, but it's nice.

We bake our kids bus driver a batch of chocolate chip cookies every December. I had the kids ask him what his favorite flavour is.

FTR he's the only non-family member we gift to. His elevated status is entirely because my kids get motion sickness.

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Re: neighbors making me feel like an asshole
« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2015, 05:53:48 PM »
I'd have fun with it in this case, because clearly these people are ridiculous and have a sunshine and lollipops view of the world.

I'd tell them that I am getting my mail carrier a Lexus RX300 fully loaded, my maid a vacation home in Italy, and the UPS guy a Mustang, etc.

Once you raise it to that level of ridiculous, they will slowly realize that getting any of these people a gift is ridiculous. Well, I suspect most people would, these people, they may be beyond help.
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Re: neighbors making me feel like an asshole
« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2015, 07:37:35 PM »
First....you're not an a$$hole.

Second,  asking about financial issues is bad manners for your neighbor.
I would suggest that it's none of their business what and if you decide to "give".

Some suggested responses:

  -  "Oh, why do you ask?"
  -  "Oh,  why would you need to know that?"
  -  "I consider that a private matter and prefer not to discuss it".

what about

    - "Oh, go f@ck yourself'
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Re: neighbors making me feel like an asshole
« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2015, 07:42:12 PM »
You mean you didn't buy anything for your dog groomers' limo drivers' sister? The nerve of you!

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Re: neighbors making me feel like an asshole
« Reply #47 on: December 03, 2015, 07:50:26 PM »
As a teacher, I can't stand when people feel guilted into getting me a Christmas present.  Seriously.  I thought I might lose my shit when I saw that Jamberry fucking nonsense being marketed as a teacher gift.  Not all teachers are as anti-consumer as I am, but people seem to think that the gifts are some big perk that we expect.  We don't.  At least not where I teach.

Please.  I would prefer for you to reach FI rather than feel obligated. 

And I agree with whoever said you should move out of that neighbourhood.  :)


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Re: neighbors making me feel like an asshole
« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2015, 10:06:18 PM »
I live in a developing country and it is customary to give out tips to condo staff and any service providers that you have used during the year.

I just see it as a small token of appreciation for people that don't earn very much. I won't be going crazy, its really just a few dollars here or there. I find that I tend to get well treated the following year by those who I have acknowledged in this way so it becomes a virtuous cycle. Want that coveted last minute hair appointment before Christmas? Sure! Need that fixed at 10pm on a Sunday night? Yep!

But I see it as a personal gesture and won't be telling others about it to make myself sound like a better human being. Do it if you want to do it, not because someone is guilting you into it.

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Re: neighbors making me feel like an asshole
« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2015, 10:53:01 PM »
I make kick-ass toffee.This time of year, I make up pretty gift bags, add thank you notes and share them in lieu of cash tips. Takes more effort than digging into my pocket (which any "asshole" can do), and I get lots of positive feedback. Makes me happy. Passing out cash just doesn't have the same effect. So I guess my answer is "Do what makes you happy." BTW - I have no earthly idea what my neighbors do. I live in an affluent community in a high COLA and damn, it's never come up in conversation.