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My junk has gotten a bit out of control. Not hoarder level, but certainly not ideal. I currently live with my parents and so I have one bedroom, a small living space outside of that bedroom mostly to myself, and my own bathroom.

That's more than enough space for my needs, but having less stuff would be great. Over the last few days I've been decluttering and I find it so much easier to get rid of something when I tell myself I can have something "better" to replace it. I know... not very mustachian. In my defense, I just found this awesome blog and forum about an hour ago. I'm already sold on it.

Anyway, what is the proper way to deal with decluttering the mustachian way? For example; I'm going through my pants drawer and most of them are too big for me now since I've lost weight, and some of them were too big to begin with. I tell myself if I donate of the pants I hate, I can go buy some I don't hate. Thing is, I'm kind of picky and I'd love to have some black pants that are my size. Kind of hard to find at my local thrift stores in my small town.

I like poshmark for buying and selling used clothes, but that isn't free. And there's a lot of other things that fit the above example aside from just clothes.

So any advice on this? I hate to turn it around because that "trick" has made decluttering much less painful than usual. But after hanging out on here for a bit I realize it's probably not the best.

Any ideas are welcome. Thanks!

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Re: Need some decluttering advice... I think I've been doing it all wrong.
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2021, 03:40:38 PM »
If you sell the things you don’t need, then earmark those funds for the things you do want, it all evens out. You’re not going nuts buying because it’s self limiting. You’re just rearranging.

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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2021, 03:46:52 PM »
It sounds like you had an item in/ item put mindset and were not so much decluttering as you were replacing. Remind yourself that what you let go of right now isnt about your future acquisitions at all, it’s about not wasting physical or mental space with items that don’t serve you, like pants that never fit you in the first place.

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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2021, 05:21:50 PM »
This is somewhat difficult to answer without any idea of where you are on your Mustachian journey.

If you have any debt at all, then the most I would suggest is using proceeds from selling the clothing you no longer need to buy what you need.  If you have debt it shouldn't be a one-in-one-out situation or a what do you want situation, but a what do you absolutely need situation.

Decluttering isn't about one-in-one-out or giving yourself permission to buy something better.  The point is to free yourself of things you don't need or want, in order to make physical and mental space in your life for what is important -- not the things that are important, but the activities and relationship you seek, the financial freedom you desire, etc.

The mentality you're currently using doesn't break the consumeristic cycle you're in, and it doesn't free you from attachment to things.

Get rid of everything you don't need and don't want without giving yourself permission to replace it just because you're getting rid of it.  Then after everything unnecessary is gone, evaluate what your true needs are.  At that point, if you decide you truly need a pair of black pants in your size (not unreasonable), determine your budget based on your financial situation and your financial goals and buy the pants.

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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2021, 06:19:11 PM »
Clothes are actually easier than other items, because they either fit or they don’t, they’re either comfortable or they’re not, they either look good or they don’t.  So if you evaluate each item against these criteria, that will whittle your wardrobe down to your “best” items. Then decide if you truly need anything else and if so, make sure it’s versatile and goes with several other items.  A few accessories are inexpensive and can change up the look of outfits.  Keep it simple and minimal, but not necessarily cheap.  Look for good quality, classic styles for the basics that will last a long time and buy only small trendy things to freshen it up.  Put your money into more important things.

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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2021, 06:26:36 PM »
You're a little all over the place here.

What are you trying to achieve? What is your goal?

Marie Kondo is a great starting point for improving your mental relationship with your stuff, so you could try starting there if you haven't already.

Welcome to the forum, read a ton, there's a lot of help to find here.

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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2021, 06:46:02 PM »
Perhaps you can get one awesome pair of pants for every ...5 pants you move out of the house?

I try to declutter when I am frustrated with stuff, that way I am more inclined to get rid of marginal items. I separately use the "well, I must get rid of something to make space for this new thing" when I really want to make a purchase.

That being said, I got two pairs of yoga pants today because both of my favorites are holey, even though I have only actually thrown one out.

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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2021, 10:18:57 PM »
Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2021, 07:07:44 AM »
Why are you keeping clothes that don't fit? I would start with examining that. It isn't like a pair of jeans is an heirloom. You can go grab another pair at any time for very little money. And even if the pants fit later, how many do you need?

Sounds like seperately from the financial piece, you have some work to do on how you interact with stuff and why you hold onto stuff that isn't sparking joy.

My advice is to get rid of any clothes that don't fit and don't spark joy.

And also to consider the PP's advice to get one new thing for every 5 you get rid of. Depending on your finances possibly also require yourself to bring that 1 new thing in via a thift store, buy nothing group, etc.

Personally selling items is rarely worth the bother. They don't sell for enough to make the hassle worthwhile. But I have kids and a house and a full time job. If you have a lot of free time maybe selling is worth it for you. However as soon as selling results in keeping stuff around instead of getting it out, IMO it's time to switch to donations.

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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2021, 07:23:59 AM »
I agree with MayDay.  If selling is adding stress it isn't worth it and donating is the way to go.  I've been donating a lot of stuff and started selling the higher priced treasures.

I'm approaching it asking, "have a used this item in the last month?  Year?  Decade?  Does it make me happy?  Is a replacement more than $20?"  If the answer to all these is "no", then the item is disposable or can be passed on to the next person.  The empty space will make me happier than having the item.  Define your parameters and goals.

I've accumulated a lot of hobby things that were "just in case".  I'm tired of storing them and want the space back.  My goal is to gain space.  Empty space.

Kayak, kids' bicycles, kid toys and the other accumulations of life are getting weeded.

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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2021, 08:33:00 AM »
Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Or Jewish space lasers... ;)

Donate them. Or sell them. Or learn to sew. But don't store things forever. Good intentions just leads to more stuff cluttering up your spaces.

You could sell or donate these clothes and plan to learn to sew in the future and alter clothing you own in the future.

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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2021, 08:59:24 AM »
I'm going to go with FlyLady.net for you.  You only have one room and one living area with your parents.  She does one area per week that she focuses on just decluttering.  There's also one for kids that focuses on their rooms.  So while you are probably older than the kids she focuses on, if you've never mucked out your space it's probably going to help and be easy to follow.  Set a timer.

Weekly schedule - main activity for each day - that way you know generally what you are doing each day and where you have room to organize/declutter.
Before bed routine - If you follow it daily, you will be ahead to start the next day. 
Morning routine - If you follow it daily, you will start your day better.
After work/school routine - Set your own routine.

Zones for someone with just a bedroom include:

Monday - Zone 1 - Bed, nightstands, trash emptied
Tuesday - Zone 2 - Closet - Hang clothes, dirty in laundry basket, wash and PUT AWAY COMPLETELY
Wednesday - Zone 3 - Floor.  Pick up clothes and trash off floor and vacuum at least the middles. Doesn't have to be perfect, just weekly.
Thursday - Zone 4 - Desk.  Throw away trash and papers that are old.  Clear off the desk. 
Friday - Zone 5 - Bathroom.  Clean shower while you are in it, sweep floor, mop with a rag and then toss it in the laundry.

Clutter - You love your stuff, but much of it you have gotten too old for.  Get rid of it on your own.  Do a 27 Fling Boogie each day.

You throw away 27 items from your room-just trash.  Coke cans, wrappers, junk paper in your drawer.

Then grab a box and find 27 items to give away or sell.  Don't pull everything out.  Just pick one thing at a time. 

Do the boogie once a day and before you know it, you will be done and on top.

Your room didn't get hoarderish in a day.  It's not going to get clean in a day.  By doing it in small steps daily it will become a habit of your life and not actually take as long.

Good luck!




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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2021, 10:27:35 AM »
Early Retirement Extreme is a great resource for some of this. It's like MMM but with more of a philosophical/ecological bent. One of Jacob's recommendations is to categorize things by how often they are used. If something is used on a daily basis, it's probably worth keeping. Monthly, too. Yearly requires some consideration: if you have, say, a giant stand-mixer that takes up a ton of space and only sees action once a year, you have to ask yourself if it is really worth the cost of space you are "paying" to own it. Less than a year are the best candidates for discard. And if you forgot you had something and haven't used it in years, you are probably pretty safe getting rid of it.

As for clothes, the only metric that has ever worked for me is the simple question, "Do I wear this?" I've had tons of shirts I've owned over the years that I thought looked cool, but if they didn't fit right I never wore them. Other times, the shirts fit great but looked terrible, so I never wore them. Ultimately, the only shirts I like are the ones I consistently wear. Once I got this in my head, getting rid of shirts and other clothes became easy. (I do have one or two dress shirts and a suit jacket I only wear for friends' weddings, but I can honestly say I'd rather get rid of these, as their only value is for job interviews and social responsibilities)

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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2021, 10:41:51 AM »
Prioritize.

What do you want to do with your life? How do you make it happen?

You will find that "keeping old pants that no longer fit" will not fit into any reasonable life plan or list of priorities. Don't bother with justification. Just get rid of the old stuff and realize how freeing it is to know everything in your closet/dresser is something you can take out and put on immediately without worrying if it fits or looks ridiculous.

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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2021, 10:58:37 AM »
I really liked the book "Making Space, Clutter Free" by Tracy McCubbin.  It addresses the 7 emotional reasons people have trouble getting rid of stuff.  Here's a summary, which is probably enough to get the idea.  If you want more, get it from the library.

https://www.housebeautiful.com/lifestyle/organizing-tips/a26965732/why-i-cant-declutter-tracy-mccubbin/

Once you figure out why your instinct is to hold on to stuff that is not useful in your life, it is easier to let go.  This requires a bit of soul searching around both acquisition (how did I get so much stuff?) and getting rid of stuff (why am I holding onto this?).   It sounds like you are struggling with both - you "allow" yourself to acquire in exchange for getting rid of stuff, which probably serves you better, but like you say, isn't necessarily the most financially sustainable.

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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2021, 01:21:43 PM »
Clothes are easy.

Day 1. Get rid of everything that is worn out, stretched, stained, has wholes in...
Day 2. Get rid of everything that don't fit (too big, too small)
Day 3. Get rid of everything that doesn't look good on you (wrong colour, cut)

By getting rid of I mean recycle or donate as quickly as possible.  I don't recommend selling, unless you have expensive designer stuff or good quality winter gear. Unless you have heaps of time and desperately need the money. You need to do this quickly, so just bag them up and get them out of your life.

also, consider a capsule wardrobe based on function.  It all depends on your lifestyle.  Get rid of the aspirational clothes and keep only those you wear regularly. 

If you work 5 days, exercise regularly and catch up with friends 2x you will need
5 work outfits
5 home outfits
3-5 gym gear
3 casual going out outfits
2 dressy going out outfits
Nightwear

Everything else is extra. 😊

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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2021, 02:24:42 PM »
I need to go through my closet too.  One problem I'm having right now is that I'm working from home 3 days a week and not going out to parties, social events, concerts etc like I normally would.  So my wardrobe is full of nice work and going out clothes and shoes but I only ever wear sweats and ugg boots.  Just now I had to go pick up one of the kids from school and I just threw a rain jacket and mask over the sweats get up.  Not a great look.  I also used to wear makeup most days to work and now with a mask on the whole time, I just can't be bothered.

Anyway I think I'll try to remember that I will eventually leave the house again and go to social events an work meetings so I need to hold onto some decent clothes.  But I'll cull the stuff that I didn't wear pre-pandemic.

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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2021, 03:45:15 PM »
It sounds like you want to declutter but also to learn to be frugal and do all the Mustachian stuff all at once. That seems a lot to take on at once.

What if you just pack the clothes that don't fit into a box or some bags for a few weeks instead of forcing yourself to donate or sell things right away? Just put them away for now and see how you get on with the reduced wardrobe that only includes things you are happy to wear. After a couple weeks, then you'll have a better idea of what you actually need and what you can donate. Maybe you could get one or two things at that point based on your needs, rather than as a reward for decluttering.

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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2021, 04:31:24 PM »
Clothes are easy.

Day 1. Get rid of everything that is worn out, stretched, stained, has wholes in...
Day 2. Get rid of everything that don't fit (too big, too small)
Day 3. Get rid of everything that doesn't look good on you (wrong colour, cut)

By getting rid of I mean recycle or donate as quickly as possible.  I don't recommend selling, unless you have expensive designer stuff or good quality winter gear. Unless you have heaps of time and desperately need the money. You need to do this quickly, so just bag them up and get them out of your life.

also, consider a capsule wardrobe based on function.  It all depends on your lifestyle.  Get rid of the aspirational clothes and keep only those you wear regularly. 

If you work 5 days, exercise regularly and catch up with friends 2x you will need
5 work outfits
5 home outfits
3-5 gym gear
3 casual going out outfits
2 dressy going out outfits
Nightwear

Everything else is extra. 😊

Or be even more hardcore and make work, home, gym, and casual going out outfits all the same ;)

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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2021, 05:15:13 PM »
I can't give you advice on decluttering, but I do find your user name disturbing.  What did I ever do to you?

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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2021, 01:08:28 PM »
See if your area has a Buy Nothing group on Facebook.  It's a great way to get rid of stuff and it feels much more satisfying (to me, and many others, at least) to give the item to a real person.  And it can be a great way to find items you need as well.  You can even ask for specific things.  It wouldn't be at all unusual in my group for someone to post a gift of 4-6 pairs of black pants, and then post an ask for any size 8 black pants--with a promise to regift any that don't work for them. 

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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2021, 03:12:26 PM »
Is there a consignment or resale shop near you?
There are lots of them near me.  There are charity ones if I just want to drop stuff and go (perhaps collecting a receipt for the donation).
But we've also got a Plato's Closet nearby.  I can take them a bag of stuff, they sort through and offer a price on what they know will sell. The rest they just give right back.  They are looking for clothes that appeal to their demographic and will pay a percentage of what they expect to list the item for.  There is Buffalo Trader, too.  I'm not familiar with their procedures.

To declutter, however, you just have to get the stuff right out the door. I subscribe to something MMM mentioned a long time ago, which is, "Store your stuff on craigslist"   It will be there when you needed it.  All of us who shop for used stuff know this to be true.  Someone else is always getting rid of exactly what you need, often they are getting rid of it for free.  When you know this, it's really easy to part with everything and free up the limited space in your home.   

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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2021, 03:59:21 PM »
Solid advice has been offered so far. I'd reiterate the suggestion that Buy Nothing groups are a great way to declutter. As someone just starting out decluttering, deciding where to start can be paralyzing. You ultimately just need to dive in and do SOMETHING, and any of the other posted suggestions/tactics can work.

But giving away a few individual items through a Buy Nothing group can be comforting because you get the reassurance that each claimed item is wanted and going to a "good home." I'd make a first post of three items. That's enough that at least one is likely to be claimed, but not so much effort that it's overwhelming to list.

If you have a ton of stuff to go through it may be too time consuming to post everything, but having a few quick wins on giving things away through a Buy Nothing group could help you get into a mindset of loosening your attachment to your belongings because giving away things becomes a fun way to help your community.

 

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