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Title: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: PantsOnFire on March 06, 2014, 08:15:05 AM
The IQ thread got me thinking that there are probably some predominant Myers-Briggs types here in the MMM community. 

If you've ever been tested and know your result, please vote.  If not, please don't guess... it's very easy for people to feel that they identify with a certain description, but that doesn't make it so.  You should go through the formal test before drawing conclusions (many people are at least slightly surprised!) 

Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: jfer_rose on March 06, 2014, 08:23:01 AM
There is another thread about this on the forums, but it didn't have a poll. IIRC, most of the responses were INTJ.

I will say, I had for years gotten one particular result using free online Meyers-Briggs type tests, however when I took the official branded Meyers-Briggs test, I was strong result that differed type for one letter. So use caution if posting your type based on the results of a free online tests-- your results may vary from the official test, which you unfortunately need to pay for.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: jscott2135 on March 06, 2014, 08:24:03 AM
PantsOnFire - What really crazy is I almost made this same post!  Curious to see if other people are awesome ENTJ's like myself :D And edited to reflect my result if official (officially awesome) my company paid for the test.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2014, 08:27:02 AM
Is there a reputable place to take this test online?
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: jscott2135 on March 06, 2014, 08:34:50 AM
So very, very INTJ. I'm married to an INTP. He has so many feelings.

ewwwww feelings!!!!  I hate those, they make everything so messy. I worked with an INFP once and I swear if I looked at her wrong she cried.  Married to and INTJ and we are basically devoid of emotion...not entirely sure if its a good thing or not.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: PantsOnFire on March 06, 2014, 08:43:17 AM
I agree that the online tests are not the same as the official test, which I believe has to be administered or at least reviewed by a professional.  From conversations I've had with others, I think the test is often part of a course or seminar that includes education on all 16 personality types, with one-on-one discussion of your particular type and the opportunities and challenges that often come with it. 

Some schools and corporations provide the seminars and testing for their students/employees free of charge.  I was tested when I was an intern with my current employer.  If I recall correctly (this was like 12 years ago) it was part of a multi-day seminar that also included Franklin-Covey time management/organization material.  Maybe it was all the Kool-Aid I drank, but I really do think the MBTI and Franklin-Covey stuff helped me get my career off to a good start and understand how to at least "fit in" in such a humongous bureaucracy. 
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: EK on March 06, 2014, 08:45:58 AM
So very, very INTJ. I'm married to an INTP. He has so many feelings.

Hah! My husband is an INFJ and such a delicate, fragile little flower about some things. It's been good for me though, and I'd pick my little flower again 10/10 times. Having such a sensitive and emotional partner has taught me a bit about how to interact with others without ALWAYS being so damned cold and logical.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: gillstone on March 06, 2014, 08:55:39 AM
High school  through grad school I've probably taken the MBTI about a dozen times.  Seeing all the INTJ's isn't too surprising this is a financial blog that appels to INTJ priorities - its analytical, makes it's appeal through logic rather than emotion, encourages people to fiddle with individual details, and make detailed plans. 
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Tetsuya Hondo on March 06, 2014, 08:58:26 AM
At this point, the killjoy jumps in and says...

the Myers-Briggs, despite being wildly popular for reasons that personality psychologists cannot fathom, is neither a valid nor a reliable (your scores will change depending on when you take it) predictor of anything. It was created by a bored housewife based on a now largely discredited field of psychology (Jungian). The publishers of the Myers-Briggs are laughing all the way to the bank, which is possibly why they've never made the time to publish any validity studies in respectable peer reviewed journals. Although, the descriptors are vague enough to roughly fit about anyone's personality, making it appear valid to people on the face of it. So, if it's fun to chat about, then enjoy. But, don't take it seriously.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: thisperson on March 06, 2014, 08:59:06 AM
So very, very INTJ. I'm married to an INTP. He has so many feelings.

If he has tons of feelings, he's probably an "F" not a "T". The P/J difference between the two of you has nothing to do with feelings.

"Decisions: When making decisions, do you prefer to first look at logic and consistency or first look at the people and special circumstances? This is called Thinking (T) or Feeling (F). "
"In dealing with the outside world, do you prefer to get things decided or do you prefer to stay open to new information and options? This is called Judging (J) or Perceiving (P)."
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: schimt on March 06, 2014, 11:13:38 AM
Is there a reputable place to take this test online?
http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test (http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test)
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2014, 11:34:09 AM
Is there a reputable place to take this test online?
http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test (http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test)

THHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNKKKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! (sorry, boring day at work and feeling punchy)
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: dragoncar on March 06, 2014, 11:46:00 AM
What is the point of this thread?  How is bragging about your MBTI mustachian in any way?  The test is completely useless as an indicator of personality anyways, especially some online test.  Moreover, you need "don't know" and "don't care" options.

Did I miss anything? :-)

"Anyone seeking more info might also check here:
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/forum/continue-the-blog-conversation/the-principle-of-constant-optimization-what's-your-myers-briggs/
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/forum/off-topic/are-you-an-intj/
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/forum/welcome-to-the-forum/calling-out-intj's-enxp's-(and-other-known-personalities)/
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/forum/off-topic/any-infp's-here/
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/forum/off-topic/27-problems-only-introverts-will-understand/
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2014, 11:47:10 AM
And my test shows INTJ- but it does seem like the questions are vague. Like "Do you feel anxiety in a stressful situation"- I mean, it depends on the kind of stress. Finishing work just under a deadline- no anxiety at all. Having to confront an employee about their sub-par performance- YES.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Elaine on March 06, 2014, 11:48:18 AM
What is the point of this thread?  How is bragging about your MBTI mustachian in any way?  The test is completely useless as an indicator of personality anyways, especially some online test.  Moreover, you need "don't know" and "don't care" options.

Did I miss anything? :-)

"Anyone seeking more info might also check here:
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/forum/continue-the-blog-conversation/the-principle-of-constant-optimization-what's-your-myers-briggs/
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/forum/off-topic/are-you-an-intj/
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/forum/welcome-to-the-forum/calling-out-intj's-enxp's-(and-other-known-personalities)/
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/forum/off-topic/any-infp's-here/
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/forum/off-topic/27-problems-only-introverts-will-understand/

Hahahahahaha. +1
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: dragoncar on March 06, 2014, 11:51:28 AM
BTW I voted INTJ because that's that I usually am.  But I've gone through periods where I've been more like XNTX.  I'm definitely NT though.  Plus, I want to fit in w/ the cool kids here.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: PantsOnFire on March 06, 2014, 11:55:45 AM
you need "don't know" and "don't care" options.
Why would you need those options?  Are you physically incapable of just moving on? 
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: dragoncar on March 06, 2014, 12:01:56 PM
you need "don't know" and "don't care" options.
Why would you need those options?  Are you physically incapable of just moving on?

This seems to be a popular post on the forum of late. Don't read the threads you don't like, people. I don't run over to the carpentry and day trading threads whining that they don't interest me.

I have OCD and must click on every link three times, in order.  If I accidentally click the wrong link, I have to start over.  All these extra threads are real hell on my carpal tunnel.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Cwadda on March 06, 2014, 12:03:18 PM
ISFP for me. I highly recommend anyone to learn about this test if they haven't already. It's a great thing.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: PantsOnFire on March 06, 2014, 12:04:57 PM
LOL.  Here's a mantra that might help:

"The truest expression of not caring is complete lack of participation."

Maybe we can implement a forum tool that subtracts from your post count whenever you click "I don't care" in a poll...  Would that help?  It'd be like one of those shock collars that keeps your dog from barking.  :-)
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Mae80s on March 06, 2014, 12:14:28 PM
haha, oh I am not surprised in the least that this forum skews INTJ/ENTJ/INTP

Especially the INTJ - you folks so, so opposite to me (ENFP). I'm always amused by the attention to detail most posters exhibit here.
 
While obviously I think we're all more complicated than our Myers-Brigg type, the test is a good indicator of how one perceives and interacts with the world at large.

Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Loud Noises on March 06, 2014, 12:30:47 PM
While I haven't taken an "official" test, I did do the lengthy online one that was posted and came up as INFJ.  After reading the description, it sounds about right.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: OldDogNewTrick on March 06, 2014, 01:42:44 PM
I'm surprised at the results of the poll. When this test was administered to me by a psychiatrist a decade or so ago, he told me INTJ was the least common of the distinct personality types, especially in females.

I have misgivngs about the reliability of online tests, but I've taken the free Myers-Briggs a few times in the past and found I score a consistent and strong INTJ.

Or maybe there is something about the Mustachian mindset that attracts INTJs like bee to honey?
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Zaga on March 06, 2014, 03:30:29 PM
Is it just me, or do the results sort of look like a middle finger extended?
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Boganvillia on March 06, 2014, 06:43:03 PM
ISFP for me. I highly recommend anyone to learn about this test if they haven't already. It's a great thing.

Hi Cwadda - My daughter is an ISFP too. Have you chosen your work/studies based partly on your type? I am encouraging my daughter towards psychotherapy but doing health aide work as a money earner while she studies, and basing this partly on her ISFP status.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Elaine on March 07, 2014, 10:03:20 AM
Oh wow, I finally read the INTJ description and it is indeed dead on. I always just assumed I was a robot or something.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: tomq04 on March 07, 2014, 10:16:05 AM
So many INTJ's

http://www.keirsey.com/4temps/mastermind.asp

An alternative that has evolved from Myer Brigg is Keirsey, he uses the same 4 letter coding, I can't believe how many "masterminds" are around here.  I would hate you guys if I met you in real life.

I"m an "idealist champion" (ENFP) http://www.keirsey.com/4temps/champion.asp and this describes me dead on.  Very interesting.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Elaine on March 07, 2014, 10:39:38 AM
So many INTJ's

http://www.keirsey.com/4temps/mastermind.asp

An alternative that has evolved from Myer Brigg is Keirsey, he uses the same 4 letter coding, I can't believe how many "masterminds" are around here.  I would hate you guys if I met you in real life.

I"m an "idealist champion" (ENFP) http://www.keirsey.com/4temps/champion.asp and this describes me dead on.  Very interesting.

And we would meet that hatred with vague indifference. ;)
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: notquitefrugal on March 07, 2014, 10:40:51 AM
(your scores will change depending on when you take it)

This may be true for some people, but over the past ten years, I've taken an online test at least three times, and have gotten a result of INTJ every time.

INTJs do seem to be disproportionately represented on internet message boards related to early retirement. :P
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Cwadda on March 07, 2014, 10:45:03 AM
ISFP for me. I highly recommend anyone to learn about this test if they haven't already. It's a great thing.

Hi Cwadda - My daughter is an ISFP too. Have you chosen your work/studies based partly on your type? I am encouraging my daughter towards psychotherapy but doing health aide work as a money earner while she studies, and basing this partly on her ISFP status.

I'm currently working as a music director because I have a strong inclination to it as a hobby/passion. Music is my passion but applying this to a job, it gets really tough. The only strong option I saw was music education, and education doesn't fit my personality. In college I was doing Pharmacy, but decided it wasn't for me. Now I'm thinking of doing something in the Environmental Science or health field, leaning towards Environment Science though since I already have an internship and am on pace for graduating early with that degree. I've pretty much decided I'm not interested in going to grad school anytime soon - that eliminates a good deal of health care options, but I don't mind. I personally feel best working independently and working with people who have similar work ethics to myself. Feel free to message me if you want more details!

Any other ISFP's in here?

Also, I find it so fascinating predicting/assigning MB traits for people I know well (family members and close friends).
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: market timer on March 08, 2014, 07:02:36 AM
Split INTP/INTJ
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: ender on March 08, 2014, 09:45:43 AM
Any other ISFP's in here?

Also, I find it so fascinating predicting/assigning MB traits for people I know well (family members and close friends).

My significant other is an ISFP.

Fortunately, my INTJ-ness is pretty "light" and I can see or be other elements decently easily when needed. I think most "fully INTJ" folks would have a hell of a time in a relationship with an ISFP. I definitely feel like a poser INTJ when it comes to threads like this...
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Nords on March 09, 2014, 11:32:29 PM
Last week I discovered an alternative to the typical MBTI inventory.

Spend a week with five 21-year-old college students on spring break in Hawaii.  By the end of the week you'll have no doubt whether you're an introvert or an extrovert-- and you won't even have to know the meanings of the words.

The only reason I even left the house this weekend was to procure food and library books, and not necessarily in that order.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Ian on March 10, 2014, 01:32:29 AM
This may be true for some people, but over the past ten years, I've taken an online test at least three times, and have gotten a result of INTJ every time.
It would be more accurate to say that the MBTI does a poor job measuring certain kinds of people. Studies show a fairly large majority of people do shift from day to day or year to year, hence why the test is discredited as a scientific method of grouping people. However, it does seem to consistently measure a few personality types, who in turn embrace it, INTJ being one of those (this last sentence is just my impression, I have no idea about the evidence).
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: avrex on April 04, 2015, 11:56:48 AM
The most common types among Retire Early board participants were ISTJ, INTJ, INTP
http://www.retireearlyhomepage.com/mbti.html (http://www.retireearlyhomepage.com/mbti.html).

I am ISTJ.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: cjottawa on April 04, 2015, 12:19:33 PM
I'm not on your list of choices: xNTJ.

True "x" - I can walk into a room and comfortably strike up a conversation with a stranger and I'm perfectly happy spending long periods of time alone. Been tested enough times and I straddle the I/X line.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Geldsnor on April 04, 2015, 01:12:30 PM
Is there a reputable place to take this test online?
http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test (http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test)

Thanks for the great link.
I must say it is indeed a bit creepy to read about my personality type, how do they know all that based on moving a few sliders!
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: SingleMomDebt on April 04, 2015, 01:21:46 PM
INFP

You might like this site http://oddlydevelopedtypes.com/survival_quiz (http://oddlydevelopedtypes.com/survival_quiz)
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: 2ndTimer on April 04, 2015, 01:36:23 PM
Had the test twice both times administered by a professional.  INTJ.  No wonder I feel so comfortable here.

Question:  Several times I have been in situations where people who have had the test and told they were F's rather than T's have become very upset about it.  Is this just because I worked with mostly males and males don't like to be told they are F's, or because I am in the sciences and scientists don't like to be told they are F's or what.  All the tantrums that I recall where thrown by male scientists or mathematicians so I can't differentiate that way.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Mistah Cash Lion on April 04, 2015, 03:03:40 PM
ISTJ-A for me.  Definitely on the line with E/I though.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: 2ndTimer on April 04, 2015, 03:37:11 PM
Had the test twice both times administered by a professional.  INTJ.  No wonder I feel so comfortable here.

Question:  Several times I have been in situations where people who have had the test and told they were F's rather than T's have become very upset about it.  Is this just because I worked with mostly males and males don't like to be told they are F's, or because I am in the sciences and scientists don't like to be told they are F's or what.  All the tantrums that I recall where thrown by male scientists or mathematicians so I can't differentiate that way.

Wow, rereading this I think I may have suggested that mathematicians are sexless.  Sorry mathematicians, should have specified that the mathematician was also male and only a single sample. 
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Kris on April 04, 2015, 07:30:55 PM
Infj here.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: DonkeyGirl on April 04, 2015, 07:58:52 PM
INTJ here. Wow, lots of us here!
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: madgeylou on April 04, 2015, 09:00:45 PM
I'm not on your list of choices: xNTJ.

True "x" - I can walk into a room and comfortably strike up a conversation with a stranger and I'm perfectly happy spending long periods of time alone. Been tested enough times and I straddle the I/X line.

I'm the same way, but xNTP. Always test E but I know there is a huge amount of I in there, too. I can chat anybody up and I do truly enjoy being with people (who are not assholes) ... But I also love being alone with my thoughts and after a certain amount of time with people around, I start to get drained and/or bitchy. It's better for everyone if I get plenty of unstructured alone time. :)

For years I tested as F instead of T, but I think that was largely due to being a woman. We are so thoroughly conditioned to be feeling that I just became fluent with my feelings by default, but fundamentally I think I really am a T, and as I get older that expresses itself more strongly.

(In fact, I believe that I was able to gain whatever emotional/social fluency I have through the power of T. As a child I think I may have been mildly on the autism spectrum, but about age 18 I decided to apply my brain to learning how to act with people by observing them. Pure T...)

Honestly I feel like I'm pretty close to the line on all of the axes -- lots of times when I take the tests  have a hard time choosing answers because I could easily choose either depending on the context. So I'm not sure how accurate any of t is, but like the horoscope, it's kind of fun to think about.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Taswegian on April 05, 2015, 11:17:16 PM
So many INTJ's

http://www.keirsey.com/4temps/mastermind.asp

An alternative that has evolved from Myer Brigg is Keirsey, he uses the same 4 letter coding, I can't believe how many "masterminds" are around here.  I would hate you guys if I met you in real life.

I"m an "idealist champion" (ENFP) http://www.keirsey.com/4temps/champion.asp and this describes me dead on.  Very interesting.

And we would meet that hatred with vague indifference. ;)

LOL. Snort. Yep, so true ;) INTP from memory, but that was last 15 years ago, so coulda been INTJ
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Pooperman on April 06, 2015, 05:30:01 AM
INTJ like mox of you. Soon to be married to someone I suspect is an ESFP. Oh that fireball of emotion.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: mtnrider on April 06, 2015, 07:34:49 AM
What if you're an ambivert?
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: mlejw6 on April 06, 2015, 09:05:49 AM
Had the test twice both times administered by a professional.  INTJ.  No wonder I feel so comfortable here.

Question:  Several times I have been in situations where people who have had the test and told they were F's rather than T's have become very upset about it.  Is this just because I worked with mostly males and males don't like to be told they are F's, or because I am in the sciences and scientists don't like to be told they are F's or what.  All the tantrums that I recall where thrown by male scientists or mathematicians so I can't differentiate that way.

LOL! Typical F!

I am ISTJ, and as a woman, I feel that I have a lot of traits typically attributed to men. I am also surrounded in my life by INFPs. Everyone in my immediate family, my husband, one of my best friends (although I think she has evolved into a T). I realized recently that since my husband is F, and I'm T, he can get extremely frustrated when I am being logical and disagreeing with him. He huffs and puffs and walks away from me and I have to realize that I need to be more sensitive and not just fling facts at him.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: 2ndTimer on April 06, 2015, 04:11:03 PM
Aha, so it's a Feeler thing.  Makes sense that I wouldn't recognize that surrounded by Thinkers as I am.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Mistah Cash Lion on April 06, 2015, 09:03:11 PM
Had the test twice both times administered by a professional.  INTJ.  No wonder I feel so comfortable here.

Question:  Several times I have been in situations where people who have had the test and told they were F's rather than T's have become very upset about it.  Is this just because I worked with mostly males and males don't like to be told they are F's, or because I am in the sciences and scientists don't like to be told they are F's or what.  All the tantrums that I recall where thrown by male scientists or mathematicians so I can't differentiate that way.

LOL! Typical F!

I am ISTJ, and as a woman, I feel that I have a lot of traits typically attributed to men. I am also surrounded in my life by INFPs. Everyone in my immediate family, my husband, one of my best friends (although I think she has evolved into a T). I realized recently that since my husband is F, and I'm T, he can get extremely frustrated when I am being logical and disagreeing with him. He huffs and puffs and walks away from me and I have to realize that I need to be more sensitive and not just fling facts at him.

Another ISTJ! Huzzah!
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: tthree on April 18, 2015, 01:23:06 AM
INTJ.  Have been forever…first took the Myers-Briggs test in Grade 8.  Took it again in my thirties, slightly less introverted, but other that that nothing else changed in 20+ years:)
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Bardo on April 18, 2015, 07:41:04 AM
INTP, although I have also come out as INTJ when I took it in the past.

Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Bumbling Bee on July 10, 2015, 09:06:13 AM
Years ago, I took a class at work for new managers; there were maybe 50 people in the class. One of the activities was to have people with similar Myers-Briggs types congregate in different sections of the room - SPs, SJs, NFs, and NTs in each corner - in order to do a group exercise. I stood all alone in my NT corner, with flashbacks to elementary school (and middle school, and high school...). They had to send one of the (relatively few) NFs over so that we could do the exercise. I don't remember much about the exercise, except at one point thinking of my ersatz MBT compatriot, "Wow, we sure look at the world differently."

I've always wondered where my fellow INTJs were; now I know. They're hanging out on the MMM forum!
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Helvegen on July 10, 2015, 09:30:25 AM
INTx, my P/J preference is extremely weak.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: sisto on July 10, 2015, 09:53:16 AM
Has anyone taken a DISC analysis, enneagram or Strength Finders? I find if you are able to combine multiple test data you can get a much better understanding of your personality.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: begood on July 10, 2015, 11:14:23 AM
[moved from less pertinent thread]

Huh. So far I'm the only ESFJ on the poll above. My N/S are almost even, but since I started working as an editor, my S has been pulled out due to all the detail work.

I'm married to a pure ENTJ, and I'm mom to an IN_J - her T and F are still forming, but I think she leans F. Why does it help to  know these things? Because I had to have someone explain what introverts are, and what they need, and why they act like they do. Having the MB types gives us language to use and a framework to understand our daughter, especially in recognizing that we have similarities in personality as well as differences. We emphasize the J we all share and accommodate the difference between our E and her I.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Chris22 on July 10, 2015, 11:34:33 AM
ENTP, all the way.  Describes me to a T.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Amasa on July 10, 2015, 12:00:39 PM
INTP, although I have also come out as INTJ when I took it in the past.

That's funny. I went the opposite way! I used to be INTP, but now I'm getting a strong J in INTJ. I've heard people say that the last letter is the one that changes the most throughout your life.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: MrMoogle on July 10, 2015, 01:26:07 PM
INTx, my P/J preference is extremely weak.
I'm the same way.  I'm officially INTP, although they had to ask more questions to determine whether I was P or J.

I'm always on time, but never organized :)
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Bardo on July 10, 2015, 01:49:20 PM
INTx, my P/J preference is extremely weak.

Same here.  I've tested out both INTJ and INTP, apparently landing right on the border. 

It's fascinating that a group that is estimated to only account for 2-4% of the population as a whole makes up a majority of the people on this board.  I wonder what characteristic it is exactly in the INTx bucket that draws people.  In my case I'd say there was more that a whiff of OCD mixed in, manifested by an obsession with tracking net worth, spending etc. 
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: ender on July 10, 2015, 03:51:02 PM
I wonder what characteristic it is exactly in the INTx bucket that draws people.  In my case I'd say there was more that a whiff of OCD mixed in, manifested by an obsession with tracking net worth, spending etc.

From my perspective INTJ personality type is a ruthless and relentless optimizing personality.

Finances are a very tangible thing to optimize.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Cwadda on July 10, 2015, 05:50:00 PM
For anyone wondering exactly what you are, or if you've tested for multiple types, look at this: http://www.personalitypage.com/html/portraits.html

Read what you think you are, and if it's inaccurate, try a different one. It should be pretty much spot on.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: RetiredAt63 on July 10, 2015, 06:29:31 PM
Really?  I am INTJ and I would not describe myself like that.  I have mostly operated on the principle " the perfect is the enemy of the good". Maybe I need to go to  http://www.personalitypage.com/html/portraits.html (http://www.personalitypage.com/html/portraits.html) as posted by Cwadda and find my "true" self.


From my perspective INTJ personality type is a ruthless and relentless optimizing personality.

ETA - went and looked, I am a mix of INTJ and INTP, but when I do tests the J comes out ahead a bit.

I suppose the Serenity prayer is particularly appropriate for our groups.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Cwadda on July 10, 2015, 06:53:17 PM
I'm an ISFP with a well-developed J side. It's spot on :D

Keep in mind that just because you're a P doesn't mean you can't do J things (long-term financial planning, for instance).
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: clifp on July 10, 2015, 08:20:27 PM
(your scores will change depending on when you take it)

This may be true for some people, but over the past ten years, I've taken an online test at least three times, and have gotten a result of INTJ every time.

INTJs do seem to be disproportionately represented on internet message boards related to early retirement. :P

I had a company administered test in my late 20s, I've taken at least 4 different online test over the last 20 years. I always come out INTJ.   Some of the time I'm more borderline between I/E.
I've also seen this poll being run on now four different early retirement/financial planning forums going back to 2000, and every case INTJ was the dominant personality type. I have also seen the poll run on several forum that had nothing to do with retirement, and while Introverts were fairly common, in no case were there lot of INTJs.

So for people who dismiss this as psuedo science, how much more data do I need to collect?
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Goldielocks on July 10, 2015, 08:41:52 PM
+1
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: CoderNate on July 10, 2015, 11:21:04 PM
I used to be an INTJ all through high school and college until Junior year, when I became ENTJ. I just took two of these tests because I was so surprised by the result, and now apparently I'm an ENFP. After reading the descriptions of T and J versus F and P, I can't say I'm really surprised. I feel like I've changed a lot in the last year or two.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Roots&Wings on June 11, 2016, 11:58:39 AM
Bumping this survey. Curious if this forum is still attracting an inordinate number of INTJ's or if the composition is shifting with increased popularity!

General MBTI discussion is here too: http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/continue-the-blog-conversation/the-principle-of-constant-optimization-what's-your-myers-briggs/
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: tthree on June 11, 2016, 12:45:17 PM
Has anyone taken a DISC analysis, enneagram or Strength Finders? I find if you are able to combine multiple test data you can get a much better understanding of your personality.
I have done the DISC analysis as well.  Our fitness instructor team did it a a group.  Not shockingly the major of the group were I.  There were 2 S and 2 C.  I was the only D.  It was pretty lonely in my quarter of the room when we divided up!

My MB type is INTJ.  On the surface this seems to be a contradiction; however I am most definitely introverted, but I am also able to confidently teach and direct a room full of people in activities I am knowledgable and passionate about.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Melisande on June 11, 2016, 01:13:19 PM
At this point, the killjoy jumps in and says...

the Myers-Briggs, despite being wildly popular for reasons that personality psychologists cannot fathom, is neither a valid nor a reliable (your scores will change depending on when you take it) predictor of anything. It was created by a bored housewife based on a now largely discredited field of psychology (Jungian). The publishers of the Myers-Briggs are laughing all the way to the bank, which is possibly why they've never made the time to publish any validity studies in respectable peer reviewed journals. Although, the descriptors are vague enough to roughly fit about anyone's personality, making it appear valid to people on the face of it. So, if it's fun to chat about, then enjoy. But, don't take it seriously.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

I hate to say it since I used to love taking the Myers-Briggs tests, but I agree with this analysis. I also think that some of the axes might be more valid than others. I've found the I-E axis really useful and I think it does correspond to something real in many people's personalities, but P-J and T-F? Maybe it's just me because I seem to always fall right smack in the middle of these axes, so I usually come up with something like INXX as a type (which really isn't that helpful).

But then one day, I realized that I'm not really middle of the road when it comes to (T)hinking and (F)eeling, I am both a strong thinker and a strong feeler. I feel very comfortable thinking and feeling and this shows up in my life. For my undergraduate I was in a double degree program in Computer Science and Vocal Performance (think opera singing) and was very good at each. I really enjoy analyzing things and making these works and yet I also understand both my emotional life and the lives of others.

Moreover, philosophical neurologists (like Antonio Damasio) have theorized that emotion is not the opposite of reason (in spite of centuries of philosophy that has organized itself in part around this opposition) but instead that our reasoning abilities depend on our emotional lives.

I also think there might be something wrong with the P-J axis. A couple of signs of being a J are being organized and good with deadlines -- being a finisher, vs. preferring things to be more open-ended. What can I say? I think I (and many other people) are very much both depending on the situation. For certain things I really like being orderly and getting things done on time or even early (like when I do my taxes). When I am writing a long, complex, emotionally-charged letter (email) to a friend, however, I prefer to take my time, put the letter aside, rework it, put it aside again, and then finally send it (or not) as I see fit.

I have mentioned these problems to people and have heard that I really need to have the test administered by a professional. Then, I think: "Ah, yes, I might have believed that in my 20s, but I have been around the block of few times ..."
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: MoonShadow on June 11, 2016, 01:49:50 PM
At this point, the killjoy jumps in and says...

the Myers-Briggs, despite being wildly popular for reasons that personality psychologists cannot fathom, is neither a valid nor a reliable (your scores will change depending on when you take it) predictor of anything. It was created by a bored housewife based on a now largely discredited field of psychology (Jungian). The publishers of the Myers-Briggs are laughing all the way to the bank, which is possibly why they've never made the time to publish any validity studies in respectable peer reviewed journals. Although, the descriptors are vague enough to roughly fit about anyone's personality, making it appear valid to people on the face of it. So, if it's fun to chat about, then enjoy. But, don't take it seriously.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

I took mine because my counselor requested it, and in a controlled testing environment.  She didn't pretend that it predicted anything, she was trying to get a 'snapshot' of my personality.  The Myers-Briggs is useful in relationship analysis, even if it is not a good predictor of the future.

For that matter, no personality test is a good predictor of future personalities.  Otherwise we would all just be organic machines, doomed to react to stimuli based upon our chemical programming. 
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Kroaler on June 11, 2016, 02:37:15 PM
Where are all the ENTJ's?    Is there another forum I should attend to find like minded individuals? 
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: v8rx7guy on June 11, 2016, 04:01:45 PM
ENTP here, I have also gotten ENTJ results before. I usually just say "ENTP" because I am actually an inventor and thats usually the overall description of the type.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Typhoid Mary on June 11, 2016, 04:06:57 PM
So very, very INTJ. I'm married to an INTP. He has so many feelings.

ewwwww feelings!!!!  I hate those, they make everything so messy. I worked with an INFP once and I swear if I looked at her wrong she cried.  Married to and INTJ and we are basically devoid of emotion...not entirely sure if its a good thing or not.

This made me laugh so hard because I am INFP and I DO CRY if someone looks at me wrong! I am married to an INTJ and we confuse the heck out of each other but it works! I have enough feels for the both of us anyway.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: RetiredAt63 on June 11, 2016, 05:31:11 PM
Has anyone taken a DISC analysis, enneagram or Strength Finders? I find if you are able to combine multiple test data you can get a much better understanding of your personality.
I have done the DISC analysis as well.  Our fitness instructor team did it a a group.  Not shockingly the major of the group were I.  There were 2 S and 2 C.  I was the only D.  It was pretty lonely in my quarter of the room when we divided up!

My MB type is INTJ.  On the surface this seems to be a contradiction; however I am most definitely introverted, but I am also able to confidently teach and direct a room full of people in activities I am knowledgable and passionate about.
I'm also INTJ and spent my whole life teaching.  Sometimes the J is almost even with the F, but the others are consistent. 
It's an indicator, it helps us understand ourselves and each other.  So do other things - birth order can have an effect, for example, and some think that season of birth can also have an effect - if astrological signs have any use at all (not much, I am an atypical Leo) it would relate to season.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Goldielocks on June 12, 2016, 11:47:42 AM
Where are all the ENTJ's?    Is there another forum I should attend to find like minded individuals?

I think most of the ENTJs must be commanding and controlling their money "in the real world", not posting here often.  e.g., making it happen.   Or, they don't like MBTI  or answering surveys...
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Classical_Liberal on June 12, 2016, 01:41:49 PM
Where are all the ENTJ's?    Is there another forum I should attend to find like minded individuals?

I think most of the ENTJs must be commanding and controlling their money "in the real world", not posting here often.  e.g., making it happen.   Or, they don't like MBTI  or answering surveys...

Ha!  I'm a pretty strong ENTJ, I don't recall ever testing differently.  I read the descriptor up thread a bit and it nails my personality pretty effectively, with one exception, I am able to empathise and understand other people's POV's.  I dont think this is my "natural" state though. In my younger years, I was often frustrated people couldn't see it the right (ie my well researched) way. I've spent much time developing the ability to walk a mile in others shoes.  Today I'm certainly more empathetic and understand why people see the same issues differently, but they are still wrong :)
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: rachael talcott on June 12, 2016, 02:02:07 PM
Awhile back this webpage did an informal study of MBTI and early retirement.  It takes into account the different frequencies of the types in the population (for example, extroversion is more common than introversion): http://www.retireearlyhomepage.com/mbti.html

The results seem to be borne out by the survey on this thread:

 "Actually, there appears to be three "retire early" personality types. (For those familiar with the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) the three most common types among Retire Early board participants were ISTJ, INTJ, and INTP.)"
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Classical_Liberal on June 12, 2016, 03:16:29 PM
Awhile back this webpage did an informal study of MBTI and early retirement.  It takes into account the different frequencies of the types in the population (for example, extroversion is more common than introversion): http://www.retireearlyhomepage.com/mbti.html

The results seem to be borne out by the survey on this thread:

 "Actually, there appears to be three "retire early" personality types. (For those familiar with the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) the three most common types among Retire Early board participants were ISTJ, INTJ, and INTP.)"

It seems my fellow ENTJ's are under represented in early retirement.  I wonder if this is a social phenomenon vs inherent to the personality type itself.  ENTJ's tend to be thinkers just like the the three biggest categories of early retirees, however, our thinking function is outer world oriented.  Since in modern western society early retirement in not something we regularly see around us, ENTJ's tend to have never thought about the concept.  I used to work in finance and the idea of retiring in my 30's or 40's never even crossed my mind.  However, once I became dissatisfied with the whole system of work/employment, was introduced to the concept of FIRE, and learned from others working toward this goal, it has become the only logical path.

Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: ender on June 12, 2016, 03:37:39 PM
Awhile back this webpage did an informal study of MBTI and early retirement.  It takes into account the different frequencies of the types in the population (for example, extroversion is more common than introversion): http://www.retireearlyhomepage.com/mbti.html

The results seem to be borne out by the survey on this thread:

 "Actually, there appears to be three "retire early" personality types. (For those familiar with the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) the three most common types among Retire Early board participants were ISTJ, INTJ, and INTP.)"

It seems my fellow ENTJ's are under represented in early retirement.  I wonder if this is a social phenomenon vs inherent to the personality type itself.  ENTJ's tend to be thinkers just like the the three biggest categories of early retirees, however, our thinking function is outer world oriented.  Since in modern western society early retirement in not something we regularly see around us, ENTJ's tend to have never thought about the concept.  I used to work in finance and the idea of retiring in my 30's or 40's never even crossed my mind.  However, once I became dissatisfied with the whole system of work/employment, was introduced to the concept of FIRE, and learned from others working toward this goal, it has become the only logical path.

My two thoughts as an INTJ? ENTJ tend to be a bit more power-seeking than INTJs and probably as a result would rather build a very successful career. Influence matters more to them than INTJ and they have the ability to get it.

/shameless generalizations
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Classical_Liberal on June 12, 2016, 03:52:24 PM

My two thoughts as an INTJ? ENTJ tend to be a bit more power-seeking than INTJs and probably as a result would rather build a very successful career. Influence matters more to them than INTJ and they have the ability to get it.

/shameless generalizations

Wait... you mean I won't be handed keys to the kingdom AND receive accolades from all of my peers once FI is reached?!?!
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: The Happy Philosopher on June 12, 2016, 04:19:39 PM
Has anyone taken a DISC analysis, enneagram or Strength Finders? I find if you are able to combine multiple test data you can get a much better understanding of your personality.

Yes, I have found the enneagram to actually be one of the more useful personality classifications in that it (at least for me) is more predictive of how I will behave and more actionable. I found the predictive paths of integration and dis-integration to be spooky in the way they describe and predict my behavior. The best book I've read on the topic is Wisdom of the Enneagram by Riso and Hudson.

None of these personality systems have lots of peer reviewed scientific evidence behind them (that I know of), but if used properly as a tool for insight into ourselves (rather than to justify all of our pathological behavior) I think they can be quite useful.

Never looked at strength finders, but I've heard of it. Is there a resource you recommend for checking it out?
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Diniecita on June 13, 2016, 08:53:36 AM
So very, very INTJ. I'm married to an INTP. He has so many feelings.

ewwwww feelings!!!!  I hate those, they make everything so messy. I worked with an INFP once and I swear if I looked at her wrong she cried.  Married to and INTJ and we are basically devoid of emotion...not entirely sure if its a good thing or not.

I'm an INFP. Although I don't think a typical one. I hate crying! I think she was just overly sensitive. Strangely, my husband is an INTJ and he introduced me to this blog and apparently they are well represented here. HA HA.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Spitfire on June 13, 2016, 09:06:45 AM
I test out as an ISxJ when I do these things. I think like a "T" but I don't like confrontation so I get "F" sometimes too.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Roots&Wings on June 13, 2016, 11:14:57 AM
Awhile back this webpage did an informal study of MBTI and early retirement.  It takes into account the different frequencies of the types in the population (for example, extroversion is more common than introversion): http://www.retireearlyhomepage.com/mbti.html

The results seem to be borne out by the survey on this thread:

 "Actually, there appears to be three "retire early" personality types. (For those familiar with the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) the three most common types among Retire Early board participants were ISTJ, INTJ, and INTP.)"

Interesting, MMM forum is trending a tad differently at 1) INTJ 2) INTP 3) INFJ
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: BTDretire on June 13, 2016, 11:53:00 AM
Never took the test.
Just stay away from me, don't talk to me.
Where's my hammer?
I took graphs of my BP into my doc last time.
I swear I'm not obsessed with my health.
I just think he needs good info to change my meds.
My BP meds!    :-)
OK, I have taken the test, but so long ago, I don't have a clue
about the results.
Where's my hammer?
Sometimes I question my short term memory.
However, I do remember things that matter to me.
                   :-]

Edit to add,
OK, trying to be a little bit funny above, maybe it didn't work :-)
 I just took this test.
http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test
ISTP-T  I don't know what the added T is.
https://www.16personalities.com/istp-personality

Kind of interesting, " Often mechanics and engineers, ISTPs find no greater joy than in getting their hands dirty pulling things apart and putting them back together, just a little bit better than they were before."

My hobby is electronics, yep, I like to take things apart and repair them. As I''ve gotten old, I've lost a bit of interest in getting my hands dirty as in working on the car, but when I do, I feel good about the repair achieved, or the troubleshooting that was correct. I also like small construction projects, wood , metal, plastic or PCBs.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: rachael talcott on June 14, 2016, 06:22:48 AM
Awhile back this webpage did an informal study of MBTI and early retirement.  It takes into account the different frequencies of the types in the population (for example, extroversion is more common than introversion): http://www.retireearlyhomepage.com/mbti.html

The results seem to be borne out by the survey on this thread:

 "Actually, there appears to be three "retire early" personality types. (For those familiar with the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) the three most common types among Retire Early board participants were ISTJ, INTJ, and INTP.)"

Interesting, MMM forum is trending a tad differently at 1) INTJ 2) INTP 3) INFJ

Looking at the graph in the link, they separate out actual early retirees from people who hope to retire early, and INFJs were over-represented among hopeful but not actual early retirees. Maybe that personality type is intrigued by FIRE but never quite pulls the trigger.  ISTJ seems to be a genuine difference between the MMM population and the population in the earlier study.  In fact, it looks like ISTJs are undderrepresented in the MMM population relative to the overall web population. 

Also, there are a lot more people in the survey above than in the linked study.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: asiljoy on June 14, 2016, 09:48:12 AM
Really?  I am INTJ and I would not describe myself like that. I have mostly operated on the principle " the perfect is the enemy of the good". Maybe I need to go to  http://www.personalitypage.com/html/portraits.html (http://www.personalitypage.com/html/portraits.html) as posted by Cwadda and find my "true" self.


From my perspective INTJ personality type is a ruthless and relentless optimizing personality.

ETA - went and looked, I am a mix of INTJ and INTP, but when I do tests the J comes out ahead a bit.

I suppose the Serenity prayer is particularly appropriate for our groups.
That's really it's own optimization category though. For example, a perfect product would take me years to complete and have zero ROI, whereas a balanced imperfect product could be delivered in 3 months and start delivering value immediately.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Bracken_Joy on June 14, 2016, 09:57:02 AM
Impressive. I had taken the official test in a high school class my senior year, and got INFJ. Out of curiosity, because I feel like I have changed a LOT over the years, I took the online one posted earlier... sure enough, INFJ. Funny that.

Although to be fair, the type name is "The Advocate", which is the #1 directive for nurses (which I am): patient advocate. So I guess I shouldn't be too surprised!
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Roots&Wings on June 14, 2016, 10:27:29 AM
^ Another INFJ. Though I've changed a lot over the years too, there has always been a cause to champion :)

Looking at the graph in the link, they separate out actual early retirees from people who hope to retire early, and INFJs were over-represented among hopeful but not actual early retirees. Maybe that personality type is intrigued by FIRE but never quite pulls the trigger.  ISTJ seems to be a genuine difference between the MMM population and the population in the earlier study.  In fact, it looks like ISTJs are undderrepresented in the MMM population relative to the overall web population. 

Also, there are a lot more people in the survey above than in the linked study.

Thanks for pointing that out! Evidently we need a separate survey for the actual early retired than the hopefuls :) And from 2000, goodness the original survey is due for an update!
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: NoVa on June 14, 2016, 11:00:26 AM
When I was younger I tested as an INTJ. I got a little more extroverted as I got older, so now it's ENTJ. But the J is strong, I keep getting a perfect score on that. :)

jfolsen
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: runningthroughFIRE on June 14, 2016, 01:03:15 PM
Most of the time when I take these things I end up INTJ, which I think suits me fairly well.  I took it again this afternoon for kicks and got ISTJ, which surprised me and was a first, but also seemed to fit.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: StarBright on June 14, 2016, 02:08:58 PM
Just added my vote- INFJ here too.

Someone once told me that INs  over represent in online communities compared to real life. That makes a lot of sense to me.

Also re the earlier post about INFJs not actually retiring early, I also suspect that I will not retire early (not from lack of funds, but I bet I will have a hard time pulling the trigger).
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Bracken_Joy on June 14, 2016, 02:20:20 PM
Just added my vote- INFJ here too.

Someone once told me that INs  over represent in online communities compared to real life. That makes a lot of sense to me.

Also re the earlier post about INFJs not actually retiring early, I also suspect that I will not retire early (not from lack of funds, but I bet I will have a hard time pulling the trigger).

See, I don't actually *want* to retire early. I want to *be able to* retire early, but I don't foresee wanting to retire completely. I enjoy nursing, and there's always a new field to try. But I want the security of knowing I CAN early retire, if I change my mind.

Plans and back-up plans and back-ups for those, just for good measure =)
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: StarBright on June 14, 2016, 02:32:14 PM


See, I don't actually *want* to retire early. I want to *be able to* retire early, but I don't foresee wanting to retire completely. I enjoy nursing, and there's always a new field to try. But I want the security of knowing I CAN early retire, if I change my mind.

Plans and back-up plans and back-ups for those, just for good measure =)

Me too! I want to be able to have the freedom of walking away if I need to but I suspect I won't. My plan is actually to leave my corporate job and go into teaching (I might take a couple of detox years in between though). I've always been intrigued by teaching but could never justify it financially. My FI will bring me the ability to do a job that I'm passionate about instead of one that just pays well :)
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Roots&Wings on June 14, 2016, 04:04:05 PM
It is so great to see more INFJ's! And very well said. SWAMI (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/04/30/weekend-edition-retire-in-your-mind-even-if-you-love-your-job/)-hood is more what I aspire to as well. FI will enable working or volunteering in a field/cause of choice. Also planning to leave a boatload of money to charity/things I support.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: SyZ on June 14, 2016, 04:54:13 PM
Personality type: “The Logician” (INTP-T)
Individual traits: Introverted – 85%, Intuitive – 56%, Thinking – 61%, Prospecting – 72%, Turbulent – 84%.
Role: Analyst
Strategy: Constant Improvement
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Noodle on June 14, 2016, 07:51:04 PM
It is so great to see more INFJ's! And very well said. SWAMI (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/04/30/weekend-edition-retire-in-your-mind-even-if-you-love-your-job/)-hood is more what I aspire to as well. FI will enable working or volunteering in a field/cause of choice. Also planning to leave a boatload of money to charity/things I support.

Yes, as another INFJ, it was very exciting to see there are quite a few around here given the rarity in the general population. Supposedly INFJs typically look for meaningful careers, so it would make sense that they would be likely to be curious about ER (or using frugality skills borrowed from ER to make those meaningful careers viable/secure) but not necessarily wanting to give up work.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: jondlc24 on November 11, 2018, 11:27:10 AM
Should ENTJ's with a job they enjoy retire early? I'm rereading what it means to be an ENTJ and while it's possible to replicate a similar situation in retirement, I'm wondering if it even makes sense to leave if I'm thriving in the workplace.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Zaga on November 11, 2018, 12:21:33 PM
Should ENTJ's with a job they enjoy retire early? I'm rereading what it means to be an ENTJ and while it's possible to replicate a similar situation in retirement, I'm wondering if it even makes sense to leave if I'm thriving in the workplace.
Get to FI, then you get to decide what makes you happiest!  Doesn't matter what that is I don't think.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: FIRE 20/20 on November 11, 2018, 12:46:26 PM
My intent really is not to dump on anyone who finds Meyers-Briggs interesting, but for those who are interested in personality traits and want to learn what science has to say about them you may want to look at the Big 5 personality traits.  M-B has long been discredited because of a complete lack of supporting evidence, but the Big 5 are actually supported and the subject of ongoing research.  More here:
https://www.livescience.com/41313-personality-traits.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits

Again - if you have fun thinking about M-B, have a blast.  But if you are interested in it then you might also enjoy learning about the Big 5. 
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: goalphish2002 on November 13, 2018, 06:46:53 AM
INTP for the win.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: clifp on November 23, 2018, 04:22:45 AM
My intent really is not to dump on anyone who finds Meyers-Briggs interesting, but for those who are interested in personality traits and want to learn what science has to say about them you may want to look at the Big 5 personality traits.  M-B has long been discredited because of a complete lack of supporting evidence, but the Big 5 are actually supported and the subject of ongoing research.  More here:
https://www.livescience.com/41313-personality-traits.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits

Again - if you have fun thinking about M-B, have a blast.  But if you are interested in it then you might also enjoy learning about the Big 5.

The Big 5 looks interesting, but I didn't see much data to show that it is any more predictive than M-B for job performance,

Frankly, I don't really care how good M-B is at predicting job performance.  The reason my company used it was to help, the largely INxx group of engineers communicate with everybody else and vice versa.  But the whole point of FIRE is not to be working.  The Big 5 very well maybe better for this role.

Obviously, this survey suggests that all personality type can be part of FIRE movement.  It would be interesting to see the difference folks who have actually done it vs those are aspiring to become FIRE. The fact that INTJ and INTP are ~5% of the population and yet 50% of the FIRE movement too huge a discrepancy to be mere chance.  I am sure there is some ESFP who has retired earlier, I just have yet to meet the person. We have 3 people say they are ESFJ (.5%) vs 12% of the population again a massive difference.  It is entirely possible that only M-B is good at predicting at being able to retire early.. 

As a practical matter, I think it is moderately important. If somebody who is a ESFJ, is expressing doubts that will be happy in early retirement, I'm not going to encourage them, an INTJ, expresses doubts I will share stories about how I as INTJ really enjoyed not working.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Cassie on November 23, 2018, 12:35:29 PM
I have used the MB professionally to help people communicate better in the workplace and in marriage. I have also used it as one tool among many for career counseling.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Goldielocks on November 24, 2018, 12:37:56 AM

As a practical matter, I think it is moderately important. If somebody who is a ESFJ, is expressing doubts that will be happy in early retirement, I'm not going to encourage them, an INTJ, expresses doubts I will share stories about how I as INTJ really enjoyed not working.

Really? All you need to do with an ESFJ is remind them of all the volunteer work and event planning (fund raising perhaps?) that they can do in FIRE.
Title: Re: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
Post by: Roots&Wings on December 06, 2018, 06:24:57 AM
My intent really is not to dump on anyone who finds Meyers-Briggs interesting, but for those who are interested in personality traits and want to learn what science has to say about them you may want to look at the Big 5 personality traits.  M-B has long been discredited because of a complete lack of supporting evidence, but the Big 5 are actually supported and the subject of ongoing research.  More here:
https://www.livescience.com/41313-personality-traits.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits

Again - if you have fun thinking about M-B, have a blast.  But if you are interested in it then you might also enjoy learning about the Big 5.

Another one is Signature Strengths (https://www.viacharacter.org/www/Research/What-the-Research-Says-About-Character-Strengths-Signature-Strengths), which assess 24 universal character traits. One practical application being workplace satisfaction and ideally doing work that engages at least 4 of your top 7 "signature strengths". I found this interesting and helpful too (http://www.actionforhappiness.org/media/52486/340_ways_to_use_character_strengths.pdf)