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My job is a soul sucking vampire squid, is it OK to quit?
« on: February 26, 2015, 02:20:12 PM »
My job at my company is a soul sucking, brain warping, sexist, poisonous vampire squid.  The pay is decent, but I know in the area we live I could make more probably.  I've been with this company 8 years and they have screwed me over several times (promising a promotion then not receiving it when a new manager came in), giving me a 1% raise, then reducing my bonus etc.  I am the ONLY one that does my job, they have fired everyone else, as such, there is ZERO chance for upward mobility, I've had the same job title for 5 years, and I definitely don't do the mid level job it portrays.  I'm one of two remaining women in the company, a good chunk of the men are sexist assholes who think I should occupy my time doing dishes and ordering office supplies, I'm an engineer.

The problem is, my husband is military, and they offer an insanely ridiculous flexible work schedule, which is why I've stuck around.  I can work from home, work flex hours, take days off last minute, heck they even let me work from my house for 3 years while we were in CO.  That schedule is the ONLY reason I can fit in taking care of the house, the family, the finances and anything my husband needs, while still working.  He's gone ALL THE TIME, I think the most I've seen of him consecutively in the past 4 years has been a couple of months so everything falls to me to get done because he works so much. 

Finances, we can pay all of our bills off of my husbands salary alone and are sitting at around 725k net worth, 200 of it is housing principle.  We aren't at our FIRE number yet which is what is holding me back.  We have a plan, and me quitting, even if I find another job fairly quickly, disrupts that plan.  My husband HATES my work environment and what it's doing to me and says to quit.  I however, have never been unemployed since the time I was 14...I can't imagine NOT working, I would feel terrible that my husband is working and I am not, that he is contributing to our Caribbean retirement dream and I am not. I also think "what if".  What if my skills get rusty if I can't find a job and something happens to him and we have no income?

So, do I stick around for the 2 more years we need to hit our FIRE number or quit?  This week has just been CRUSHING, and I don't know if I can deal with the BS anymore, but I also don't know if I can sit around twiddling my thumbs until I know our FIRE number is secure.

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Re: My job is a soul sucking vampire squid, is it OK to quit?
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2015, 02:28:08 PM »
It may not be time to quit, but it is certainly time to look for a new employer.

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Re: My job is a soul sucking vampire squid, is it OK to quit?
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2015, 02:30:51 PM »
You're an engineer?  QUIT.  You can find something else.

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Re: My job is a soul sucking vampire squid, is it OK to quit?
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2015, 02:33:07 PM »
Eff 'em.


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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2015, 02:34:26 PM »
It may not be time to quit, but it is certainly time to look for a new employer.

Scale back effort at work and scale up the job search. Understand that you will most likely give up the flexible schedule.

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Re: My job is a soul sucking vampire squid, is it OK to quit?
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2015, 02:40:18 PM »
I feel for you.  Today is my first day of early retirement and my first day posting here.  I get it.  (my thread is titled "first day out feeling guilty").  I feel guilty that my husband is still working and older (but loves his job).  I was on a four year countdown but time off for surgery made me reflect, can I do four more years?  I tortured myself for months and in the end the answer was HELL no.  It will kill me if not literally, it will mentally kill me.  My soul would be dead in four years.

Here I am giving advice on my first day out of Hell.  I feel like I was being held hostage and I am the first hostage that was set free. 

You say that your husband is on board.  I know my husband hated what the job was doing to me.  He won't have to listen to my crap about work anymore.  That alone is priceless!  It sounds like your husband feels the same.
Please don't torture yourself like I have been torturing myself (actually for the last couple of years).

F them.

Edited to added:  If you can work from home EVERY day would that not work to stick it out? 

« Last Edit: February 26, 2015, 02:51:22 PM by margarita »

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Re: My job is a soul sucking vampire squid, is it OK to quit?
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2015, 02:42:18 PM »
It may not be time to quit, but it is certainly time to look for a new employer.

Scale back effort at work and scale up the job search. Understand that you will most likely give up the flexible schedule.

Giving up the flexible work schedule is my number one fear because I rely on it so much, and utilize it all the time.  Literally I will not speak to my husband for a month, then I can get a call and he says HEY! I'm coming home!  Can you get me from the airport tomorrow at 2? or for example, I did all the food for his promotion, cooked for 100 people, i worked from home for 2 days to pull it off.  They know me doing what I want, when I want, is the ONLY reason I stick around I feel. 

I'm not sure I can afford to give up that flexibility without something else somewhere caving in.

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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2015, 02:47:45 PM »
Can you just start applying to jobs while still there? If you get a decent offer, jump right in.

Of course with your net worth, it would be possible to wuit and spend several months unemployed with only a minor hit to your FI date, and your sanity may be worth the delay.

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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2015, 03:15:56 PM »
If you stay work from home all the time and tell them they don't pay you enough to put pants on and commute to an office.

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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2015, 03:35:35 PM »
Mishmash,
I found myself working on a "Ship of Fools" in the 90's and rewrote my personal mission statement to include never working for or with A-Holes again...or at least including a heavy fee in my invoice for having to put up with them.

I just have to ask, do you have a strong LinkedIn profile with lots of connections (basically anybody who you ever knew professionally or academically?  If yes, never mind.  But if you don't, you might want to consider making it better.  My wife has a pretty specific expertise in having done something at 3 different organizations and industries...nothing exotic or top secret- just something that seems to trigger a lot of unsolicited phone calls from both in house and external recruiters... Perhaps you have something professional you can point to that other organizations are recruiting for.

The only other thought I have is that your original post was coming straight from a place inside you that you need to keep happy.  Maybe after your therapy session with the MMM psycologists you could consider a nice glass of Chardonay!  :-) 

Good luck and thank you for YOUR service as a military spouse...a very real sacrifice indeed in my book.

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Re: My job is a soul sucking vampire squid, is it OK to quit?
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2015, 03:56:01 PM »
How about reporting them to EEOC or state human rights group in your state for gender and pay inequality?

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Re: My job is a soul sucking vampire squid, is it OK to quit?
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2015, 07:19:08 AM »
I feel for you.  Today is my first day of early retirement and my first day posting here.  I get it.  (my thread is titled "first day out feeling guilty").  I feel guilty that my husband is still working and older (but loves his job).  I was on a four year countdown but time off for surgery made me reflect, can I do four more years?  I tortured myself for months and in the end the answer was HELL no.  It will kill me if not literally, it will mentally kill me.  My soul would be dead in four years.

Here I am giving advice on my first day out of Hell.  I feel like I was being held hostage and I am the first hostage that was set free. 

You say that your husband is on board.  I know my husband hated what the job was doing to me.  He won't have to listen to my crap about work anymore.  That alone is priceless!  It sounds like your husband feels the same.
Please don't torture yourself like I have been torturing myself (actually for the last couple of years).

F them.

Edited to added:  If you can work from home EVERY day would that not work to stick it out?

This...SOOOOOO much this.

I actually worked from home every day for 3plus years with this company, it was a million times worse because since I wasn't "in the office" people thought they could speak to me like some rando and demand that I work pretty much 24-7, since I was "at home" anyway..our UK sales guy routinely called me at 2-3 am and would blast off company wide bitching emails when I didn't pick up.

Capsu, I do have a pretty good linkedIn profile, but I specialize in a niche market of GeoSpatial Engineering so if I go rooting for jobs while employed, my company will find out IMMEDIATELY since most of my main employment options are also customers of my current company.  I appreciate your sentiment on being a milspouse, but my husband hands down has the harder job. 

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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2015, 07:29:28 AM »
There might be an alternative to staying or quitting.  You could identify what you need to stay two more years and ask for those things.  If you need more money (ie, you need more than 1% raise); ask for it.

Just be prepared to walk if you don't get those things, or you will be even more bitter.

There's no reason to be a slave to a commute, a house, or a job!

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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2015, 07:37:53 AM »
MishMash,

I'm a woman engineer (different field) and milspouse, so I think I can relate to what you are going through...especially the guilt part and the needing flexibility.  The thing is, DH and your family all need you to be the rock, and if your job is taking all this out of you, what's left for your family?  You are single parenting most of the time, right? 

I did this in the last year (walking away from a soul sucking vampire squid job).  Within 4 months, I had a new job.  We are right back on track with our FIRE goals and I am a better team member for my soldier by being content at work.  So you have some options:

1) Walk away from the squid.  Give them adequate notice (no bridge burning) and after you leave, take some time to figure out what you want in a new job.  Start reaching out to your contacts after the squid ink is dry on the last check.  A new employer might be someone who is familiar with you, who understands your other constraints and is willing to be flexible just to have a rock star like yourself on the team!

2)  Take a sabaticall (leave without pay) from the vamprie squid and see how you feel.  If they aren't willing to do this, see option 1.

Bottom line is you have to take care of yourself.  Miserable at work means you are no good for everything else you have to deal with...you are the proverbial candle burning at both ends.

PM me if you like, maybe I can help you figure out your Mil Spouse options (that hiring preference is nothing to balk at).

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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2015, 09:41:34 AM »
Quit.

Then if you choose, find a part time job. You have skills, and thus leverage. Use them.

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Re: My job is a soul sucking vampire squid, is it OK to quit?
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2015, 09:51:22 AM »
This is not the only company that offers flexible work schedules and engineers are in demand. Start looking around at other companies immediately.

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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2015, 10:08:21 AM »
Of course it's okay to quit!  It sounds like you've got plenty of resources and a supportive family.

It sounds like you are underpaid, which is unfortunately common for women. Whether or not you quit, I suggest reading the following book and really trying to work through the exercises:
Ask for it: How Women Can Use the Power of Negotiation to Get what They Really Want

Then make a big list of what you really want and practice asking a friend for it.  Tell your role play partner to be a big A-hole about it so you'll know the real conversions can't go worse.  Then head into the trenches with your newly practiced skill and your list of what you want, whether the trenches are having some discussions with your current employer or a negotiation with a new employer.  Good luck!

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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2015, 10:14:07 AM »
I am joining the voices who are telling you to quit.  One convenience (flexibility) is not worth suffering over.  You are on firm footing.  You should take advantage of that to do something that gets you away from a toxic environment.

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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2015, 11:39:49 PM »
I say quit. Take some time off and then contact all the other companies for a job.


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Re: My job is a soul sucking vampire squid, is it OK to quit?
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2015, 05:02:57 AM »
so you can quit. your husband says you can quit. He's military and will get a pension at somepoint as well as you having a liquid stash of 500k or so.
you hate everything about your job.
I think I know the problem.
You have Stockholm syndrome.

Go tell them you want an assistant, a promotion and a 50% pay rise. If they don't agree immediately then quit on the spot.
if they do agree take the extra cash for a few months and quit anyway... you aren't in it for the long term. you have FU money. use it.



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Re: My job is a soul sucking vampire squid, is it OK to quit?
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2015, 05:35:22 AM »
We aren't at our FIRE number yet which is what is holding me back.  We have a plan, and me quitting, even if I find another job fairly quickly, disrupts that plan.

If your husband is military, then he already knows that plans get disrupted.  They get disrupted and adjusted, and readjusted. 

You have probably have been undervaluing your contribution to the company.  What also seems to holding you back is your sense of guilt and playing the ‘what if’ game.   Forget getting rusty during a short time off work, have your skills gotten any better in the past 5 years?   

Sounds like you need a new plan for your job.

I kind of like UnleashHell’s approach to make a set of demands for change for a pay raise and an elimination of key aspects of soul sucking from your job, and being prepared to quit if the demands are not met.    Alternatively if you think the job or company are not worth saving, then pick a date in the calendar a few months out when you will give your resignation, and dedicate all your (little) free time between now and then to find a better job. 

« Last Edit: March 04, 2015, 06:39:02 AM by desk_jockey »

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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2015, 05:42:35 AM »
You have always had a job since you were 14.  You may feel a little lost at sea if you quit before lining up a new job.   Also you may negotiate more confidently while still employed. Start calling up old colleagues and reaching out via linked in.  Good luck and let us know how it goes!

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Re: My job is a soul sucking vampire squid, is it OK to quit?
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2015, 06:17:39 AM »
Quit.

I, too, had one of these kinds of jobs. And I quit and ran away to a flexible part-time job that was 100% online. It restored me to not have to deal with the constant bonfires I had to deal with and my overflowing plate.

Option A
Take a month on to breathe and shake off the stress.

Then submit your resume to places. Say that you are a milspouse, because that preference is nothing to sneeze at. You're an engineer. You can find another job pretty easily.

Option B
Send out your resume now. Have you expressed your dissatisfaction about the promises broken at work? It shouldn't surprise them too much if you're looking over the fence.

Option C
I'm only mentioning this because it is relevant: sending in my resignation was viewed as a starting point for negotiation by my bosses. But your company has a history of broken promises, so I wouldn't fall for anything that they offer after you've quit.

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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2015, 06:39:31 AM »
It sounds like you've already put your time in.   Your husband supports you and you describe your job as soul crushing... based on those factors alone it's time to get out.

But before you do, think about the things that you have to get to stay.  Work from home and/or less hours to avoid the BS (not for less pay of course)?  Reasonable raise to get you to your dream quicker?  Then ask and be ready to walk if they say no.   If you can't come up with anything, quit now.


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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2015, 07:26:33 AM »
So after a clown fest of "WTF, this shit CAN'T really be happening"  combined with "how the fuck is this company still in business" I walked into my bosses office (only other female) and said that I'm honestly on the verge of walking out and not looking back.  She's on the same early retirement plan we are, even plans to retire to the same place we are in the end so she knows that I don't NEED the job.  She looked like I hit her on the head with a sack of rocks and said let me see what I can do.  I told her it would take an ass ton of money to get me to stay so I'm giving it a week and we'll see. 

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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2015, 07:28:18 AM »
I would start looking for another job, and see what you can find with some flexibility.  It's not that uncommon these days for employers to allow people do some work from home.  I would not walk away with nothing lined up as I think that's just stupid unless you are genuinely ready to retire.

You have to be prepared that you aren't going to find another job with as much flexibility as you have now.  Given that, your husband may need to just suck it up a bit in regards to his expectations about you doing his scut work.  He needs food on short notice for a bunch of people?  That's his problem, not yours. He can call a caterer.  He needs to be picked up somewhere?  He can find commercial ground transportation.   There is no reason why those kinds of things need to  be your problem.

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Re: My job is a soul sucking vampire squid, is it OK to quit?
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2015, 07:45:48 AM »
So after a clown fest of "WTF, this shit CAN'T really be happening"  combined with "how the fuck is this company still in business" I walked into my bosses office (only other female) and said that I'm honestly on the verge of walking out and not looking back.  She's on the same early retirement plan we are, even plans to retire to the same place we are in the end so she knows that I don't NEED the job.  She looked like I hit her on the head with a sack of rocks and said let me see what I can do.  I told her it would take an ass ton of money to get me to stay so I'm giving it a week and we'll see.

I was just wondering if there were any updates. Good for you!

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« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2015, 08:05:13 AM »
Yea, I liked Unleashed's statement of having Stockholm syndrome.  That's EXACTLY how I feel.  Then I went to my LinkedIn profile, realized I had 150 connections, all former coworkers, then realized I am literally only the THIRD employee that has actually been here from the start, the others are our founder, and our head of federal sales (and he only beats me by a week).  That's how much turn over we've had....and that includes 6 rounds of layoffs over the years.  Back in the beginning I NEEDED the job, I had student loans to pay off, savings to build, health insurance to pay.  Now, I don't NEED it, it's more like I feel trapped and obligated to stay since I made it through 6 rounds of layoffs, and am one of the last "original" employees.  The husband promoted this week too, and I ran the new numbers, realized even without me working, we could still save around 30k a year, probably more since there will be things we can cut out.

I'm going to see what my boss says, the last of my preferred options also vest at the end of the month.

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« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2015, 08:13:51 AM »
So after a clown fest of "WTF, this shit CAN'T really be happening"  combined with "how the fuck is this company still in business" I walked into my bosses office (only other female) and said that I'm honestly on the verge of walking out and not looking back.  She's on the same early retirement plan we are, even plans to retire to the same place we are in the end so she knows that I don't NEED the job.  She looked like I hit her on the head with a sack of rocks and said let me see what I can do.  I told her it would take an ass ton of money to get me to stay so I'm giving it a week and we'll see.

Yea, MishMash!  Give 'em hell!  Also, congratulations on your husband's promotion. 

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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2015, 08:29:36 AM »
You could give yourself a new job – steward of household and finances. Take time to do the research you need for when hubby quits. Plan out and do the household stuff that needs doing. Do some volunteer work. Get more organized with your consumption and eating which in turn will be cheaper and healthier for both of you.
Not having a full time paid job doesn’t mean that you have quit – just just have a full time job that contributes towards your health and house. Its called life and your input could well be financially beneficial to your overall wealth.

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« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2015, 08:32:03 AM »
Go tell them you want an assistant, a promotion and a 50% pay rise. If they don't agree immediately then quit on the spot.  If they do agree take the extra cash for a few months and quit anyway... you aren't in it for the long term. you have FU money. use it.

So much this.  Do it now.  After this job hang out at home for a while to detox and hook up a 100% telework job.  Or start an LLC and consult from home...you're boss, you set the hours.  Hubby just did this after ditching a totally toxic death squid job.  He's now a happy clam.

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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2015, 09:16:45 AM »
Yea, I liked Unleashed's statement of having Stockholm syndrome.  That's EXACTLY how I feel.  Then I went to my LinkedIn profile, realized I had 150 connections, all former coworkers, then realized I am literally only the THIRD employee that has actually been here from the start, the others are our founder, and our head of federal sales (and he only beats me by a week).  That's how much turn over we've had....and that includes 6 rounds of layoffs over the years.  Back in the beginning I NEEDED the job, I had student loans to pay off, savings to build, health insurance to pay.  Now, I don't NEED it, it's more like I feel trapped and obligated to stay since I made it through 6 rounds of layoffs, and am one of the last "original" employees.  The husband promoted this week too, and I ran the new numbers, realized even without me working, we could still save around 30k a year, probably more since there will be things we can cut out.

I'm going to see what my boss says, the last of my preferred options also vest at the end of the month.

Obligated to stay?  This isn't like a bad marriage that you stay in for the kids...this is your life.  Even if they do offer you an "a$$ ton" of money, you need to come back and read your own words.  Stockholm syndrome is a word used to describe prisoners and kidnap victims.  Is more money going to change the dynamic at work?  Is it going to change how the managing partners treat you?  I predict that in a few months, you will be back here telling us that they abuse you more because they are now paying you more.

I hope you find a way to either drastically change your environment or find the courage to walk away.

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« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2015, 09:23:27 AM »
My job at my company is a soul sucking, brain warping, sexist, poisonous vampire squid.  The pay is decent, but I know in the area we live I could make more probably.  I've been with this company 8 years and they have screwed me over several times (promising a promotion then not receiving it when a new manager came in), giving me a 1% raise, then reducing my bonus etc.  I am the ONLY one that does my job, they have fired everyone else, as such, there is ZERO chance for upward mobility, I've had the same job title for 5 years, and I definitely don't do the mid level job it portrays.  I'm one of two remaining women in the company, a good chunk of the men are sexist assholes who think I should occupy my time doing dishes and ordering office supplies, I'm an engineer.

The problem is, my husband is military, and they offer an insanely ridiculous flexible work schedule, which is why I've stuck around.  I can work from home, work flex hours, take days off last minute, heck they even let me work from my house for 3 years while we were in CO.  That schedule is the ONLY reason I can fit in taking care of the house, the family, the finances and anything my husband needs, while still working.  He's gone ALL THE TIME, I think the most I've seen of him consecutively in the past 4 years has been a couple of months so everything falls to me to get done because he works so much. 

Finances, we can pay all of our bills off of my husbands salary alone and are sitting at around 725k net worth, 200 of it is housing principle.  We aren't at our FIRE number yet which is what is holding me back.  We have a plan, and me quitting, even if I find another job fairly quickly, disrupts that plan.  My husband HATES my work environment and what it's doing to me and says to quit.  I however, have never been unemployed since the time I was 14...I can't imagine NOT working, I would feel terrible that my husband is working and I am not, that he is contributing to our Caribbean retirement dream and I am not. I also think "what if".  What if my skills get rusty if I can't find a job and something happens to him and we have no income?

So, do I stick around for the 2 more years we need to hit our FIRE number or quit?  This week has just been CRUSHING, and I don't know if I can deal with the BS anymore, but I also don't know if I can sit around twiddling my thumbs until I know our FIRE number is secure.

"My job at my company is a soul sucking, brain warping, sexist, poisonous vampire squid" - LUXURY

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« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2015, 09:28:43 AM »
Yea, I liked Unleashed's statement of having Stockholm syndrome.  That's EXACTLY how I feel.  Then I went to my LinkedIn profile, realized I had 150 connections, all former coworkers, then realized I am literally only the THIRD employee that has actually been here from the start, the others are our founder, and our head of federal sales (and he only beats me by a week).  That's how much turn over we've had....and that includes 6 rounds of layoffs over the years.  Back in the beginning I NEEDED the job, I had student loans to pay off, savings to build, health insurance to pay.  Now, I don't NEED it, it's more like I feel trapped and obligated to stay since I made it through 6 rounds of layoffs, and am one of the last "original" employees.  The husband promoted this week too, and I ran the new numbers, realized even without me working, we could still save around 30k a year, probably more since there will be things we can cut out.

I'm going to see what my boss says, the last of my preferred options also vest at the end of the month.

Obligated to stay?  This isn't like a bad marriage that you stay in for the kids...this is your life.  Even if they do offer you an "a$$ ton" of money, you need to come back and read your own words.  Stockholm syndrome is a word used to describe prisoners and kidnap victims.  Is more money going to change the dynamic at work?  Is it going to change how the managing partners treat you?  I predict that in a few months, you will be back here telling us that they abuse you more because they are now paying you more.

I hope you find a way to either drastically change your environment or find the courage to walk away.

Yea, I actually thought about that, but if it is a ridiculous sum of money, and I can FIRE by the end of the year, I'm debating it.  We add about 100k/year to the stashe .  If I can add 150 or more, then I can probably be FIRED by the new year.  Hubs still has about 6 years to hit his 20 (and he has some lofty dreams about staying in longer) and we'd continue to add to it during that time though at a much lower rate which would leave us with the number we'd like in ER.  It's the pull between FIRE, or soul sucking vampire squid.  I FULLY know the abuse won't stop, and will probably get worse.

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« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2015, 09:33:48 AM »
My job at my company is a soul sucking, brain warping, sexist, poisonous vampire squid.  The pay is decent, but I know in the area we live I could make more probably.  I've been with this company 8 years and they have screwed me over several times (promising a promotion then not receiving it when a new manager came in), giving me a 1% raise, then reducing my bonus etc.  I am the ONLY one that does my job, they have fired everyone else, as such, there is ZERO chance for upward mobility, I've had the same job title for 5 years, and I definitely don't do the mid level job it portrays.  I'm one of two remaining women in the company, a good chunk of the men are sexist assholes who think I should occupy my time doing dishes and ordering office supplies, I'm an engineer.

The problem is, my husband is military, and they offer an insanely ridiculous flexible work schedule, which is why I've stuck around.  I can work from home, work flex hours, take days off last minute, heck they even let me work from my house for 3 years while we were in CO.  That schedule is the ONLY reason I can fit in taking care of the house, the family, the finances and anything my husband needs, while still working.  He's gone ALL THE TIME, I think the most I've seen of him consecutively in the past 4 years has been a couple of months so everything falls to me to get done because he works so much. 

Finances, we can pay all of our bills off of my husbands salary alone and are sitting at around 725k net worth, 200 of it is housing principle.  We aren't at our FIRE number yet which is what is holding me back.  We have a plan, and me quitting, even if I find another job fairly quickly, disrupts that plan.  My husband HATES my work environment and what it's doing to me and says to quit.  I however, have never been unemployed since the time I was 14...I can't imagine NOT working, I would feel terrible that my husband is working and I am not, that he is contributing to our Caribbean retirement dream and I am not. I also think "what if".  What if my skills get rusty if I can't find a job and something happens to him and we have no income?

So, do I stick around for the 2 more years we need to hit our FIRE number or quit?  This week has just been CRUSHING, and I don't know if I can deal with the BS anymore, but I also don't know if I can sit around twiddling my thumbs until I know our FIRE number is secure.

"My job at my company is a soul sucking, brain warping, sexist, poisonous vampire squid" - LUXURY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

HA!  Now my coworkers are wondering why I just snorted tea out my nose laughing...oooh Monty Python.

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« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2015, 09:35:06 AM »
Yea, I liked Unleashed's statement of having Stockholm syndrome.  That's EXACTLY how I feel.  Then I went to my LinkedIn profile, realized I had 150 connections, all former coworkers, then realized I am literally only the THIRD employee that has actually been here from the start, the others are our founder, and our head of federal sales (and he only beats me by a week).  That's how much turn over we've had....and that includes 6 rounds of layoffs over the years.  Back in the beginning I NEEDED the job, I had student loans to pay off, savings to build, health insurance to pay.  Now, I don't NEED it, it's more like I feel trapped and obligated to stay since I made it through 6 rounds of layoffs, and am one of the last "original" employees.  The husband promoted this week too, and I ran the new numbers, realized even without me working, we could still save around 30k a year, probably more since there will be things we can cut out.

I'm going to see what my boss says, the last of my preferred options also vest at the end of the month.

Obligated to stay?  This isn't like a bad marriage that you stay in for the kids...this is your life.  Even if they do offer you an "a$$ ton" of money, you need to come back and read your own words.  Stockholm syndrome is a word used to describe prisoners and kidnap victims.  Is more money going to change the dynamic at work?  Is it going to change how the managing partners treat you?  I predict that in a few months, you will be back here telling us that they abuse you more because they are now paying you more.

I hope you find a way to either drastically change your environment or find the courage to walk away.

Torture with a short timeline is different...I get that.  So you care close enough to FIRE to see the light at the end of the tunnel.  I can see where that might make you consider staying. 

So with him being military, and still 6 years to go, you know that something could happen to keep him from finishing to a pension.  injuries and downsizing have been a huge problem for folks planning on a career and then having it snatched from them (cue the debbie downer music).  So do your FIRE plans exclude his potential pension?

Yea, I actually thought about that, but if it is a ridiculous sum of money, and I can FIRE by the end of the year, I'm debating it.  We add about 100k/year to the stashe .  If I can add 150 or more, then I can probably be FIRED by the new year.  Hubs still has about 6 years to hit his 20 (and he has some lofty dreams about staying in longer) and we'd continue to add to it during that time though at a much lower rate which would leave us with the number we'd like in ER.  It's the pull between FIRE, or soul sucking vampire squid.  I FULLY know the abuse won't stop, and will probably get worse.

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« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2015, 01:02:58 PM »
Hey wait a minute MishMash...I just saw your post on Overheard at work about the a$$ slapping and tit grabbing....oh, honey....what a nightmare.  Please, please, please, please, please GTFO of there!

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« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2015, 01:29:20 PM »
Hey wait a minute MishMash...I just saw your post on Overheard at work about the a$$ slapping and tit grabbing....oh, honey....what a nightmare.  Please, please, please, please, please GTFO of there!

After this week of dealing with those particular assholes, trust me I'm on the very very very near edge.  I spent most of today not doing my job, researching opportunities, thinking about what I want to do if I leave.  I'm not particularly fond of my field, it's always been a means to pay the student loans back (literally it was the number one reason I chose the field).  So now I'm chasing the rabbit of if I quit, will I even WANT to go back to work in my field?  I determined the answer is no, and the things I enjoy doing, unfortunately don't really pay very much so that chucked a new level of fear at me about hitting the FIRE number.  I just need to GTFO of my head at this point and sit down with the husband when he gets back from HALO/MFF/whatever they call it now, and do a by the numbers, worst case scenario issue.

We also got the news last night that my dad is likely to pass in the very near future, has no life insurance, and they have no savings so my mother pretty much told me I'll be helping to foot the bills there so there is a HOLY CRAP how much is THIS going to cost me aspect of it too.  I'm not particularly close with him.

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« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2015, 01:41:38 PM »
Hey wait a minute MishMash...I just saw your post on Overheard at work about the a$$ slapping and tit grabbing....oh, honey....what a nightmare.  Please, please, please, please, please GTFO of there!

We also got the news last night that my dad is likely to pass in the very near future, has no life insurance, and they have no savings so my mother pretty much told me I'll be helping to foot the bills there so there is a HOLY CRAP how much is THIS going to cost me aspect of it too.  I'm not particularly close with him.

Um, no.  Please do not let your mother hijack your hard work by "guilting" you into paying her expenses.  Cremation costs under 1K.  Disposal is all that is required. Anything else is a nice to and not your responsibility.  If your mother wanted to honor his memory with a nice service, they would have made sure they had the funds to make it happen. 

Or does she expect you to pay her monthly bills?  Like her housing and groceries?  Oh, hell no!

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« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2015, 01:42:31 PM »
I'm so sorry to hear about your dad.

I'm of the opinion that in general, funerals are one last chance for the living to honor the dead by respecting their wishes for the funeral arrangements.  However, I think that if one does not leave the resources to cover the services and event one desires, then that bet is off and it is up to the next of kin to decide what they are willing or able to do. 

If it were me, I'd make it clear to my mother how much (if anything) I would be willing to contribute and let her know anything else would not be my responsibility. 

This is such a difficult situation.  So many people get sucked into all sorts of elaborate funeral arrangements that nobody can really afford, and there is a great deal of pressure to not make frugal choices.

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« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2015, 01:57:54 PM »
Hey wait a minute MishMash...I just saw your post on Overheard at work about the a$$ slapping and tit grabbing....oh, honey....what a nightmare.  Please, please, please, please, please GTFO of there!

Next time you think he'll try that, take a "3-step" fast walk towards him, and kick him in the nads as hard as you can. Bonus points if you are wearing steel-toe shoes.

Then, pretend you tripped and it was a "accident".

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« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2015, 02:23:45 PM »
Wait, grabbing and pinching?  What am I missing?  That's where I'd get me a lawyer, if it's what I think it is.  Then you really don't need to worry about a salary . . . .

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« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2015, 02:46:37 PM »
Hey wait a minute MishMash...I just saw your post on Overheard at work about the a$$ slapping and tit grabbing....oh, honey....what a nightmare.  Please, please, please, please, please GTFO of there!

Next time you think he'll try that, take a "3-step" fast walk towards him, and kick him in the nads as hard as you can. Bonus points if you are wearing steel-toe shoes.

Then, pretend you tripped and it was a "accident".

Ha! No, I just told him I carry concealed a .45 or a 9 at all times and that I am a VERY good shot.  He's definitely not the worst one I've had to deal with at this job.  That award goes to one of our original founders who was married with three kids back when I first started at this company, car broke down at work, husband (then boyfriend) had just deployed, he drove me home, asked to use the rest room, thinking he's 50, married sure why not?  He comes out all handsy, gropey, hair pullering while I'm getting food out of the fridge.  I threw the cat at him, grabbed the 9 mil I stashed in the knife drawer and told him to get the fuck out.  At that time I desperately needed the job, had no money for a lawyer, and they were the only game in town, I also didn't want to give him the power that quitting would have done. 

I got my revenge on him though...met his wife 6 months later, told her what happened, she divorced his ass so fast it would make your head spin.  He had to sell his stake to pay the lawyers fees :-)

Learned two lessons that day, ALWAYS carry (which oddly enough saved me from a violent assault three years later when a guy dragged me off my bike into an alley) and that I was never going to be poor enough that I had to stick around after an event like that just so I could feed myself.

I'm still pretty sure had my husband been home, he would have turned up in a south Georgia swamp.  Nope, scratch that, my husband is good enough to make sure they don't find anything.  He still brings it up that he feels bad he wasn't there to defend me and that I should have pulled the trigger.

Yea the mother thinks we'll be footing all her bills pretty much...I've told her no, in regards to the funeral, my family is VERY big on "paying last respects" so if we don't do a viewing it will piss the rest of them off, mind you none of them are willing to help foot the bill so if we don't do it, it pretty much cuts off all ties with my family.  There is a big part of me that asks "do I really care", I'm not sure of that answer yet

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« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2015, 03:03:07 PM »
And why are your parents unable to save up *some* money in the time between now and when he passes away?  So now they know that he's ill, great, they can cut expenses and save up a bit and take some of the burden off of you!

Or maybe they can take out a home equity loan to pay for it.  Still, not your problem.

*Now, I say this as one who did pay for an elderly relative's funeral, and will again when my mom passes.  Sometimes there really is no way for someone to save up for anything, much less a funeral.

**It's funny in retrospect, a family member thanked us for paying for the dinner *after* the funeral, and said how Aunt P. had paid for the funeral.  I was like, no!  WE paid for the funeral, Aunt P. paid for the much less expensive dinner!

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« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2015, 03:07:50 PM »
And why are your parents unable to save up *some* money in the time between now and when he passes away?  So now they know that he's ill, great, they can cut expenses and save up a bit and take some of the burden off of you!

Or maybe they can take out a home equity loan to pay for it.  Still, not your problem.

*Now, I say this as one who did pay for an elderly relative's funeral, and will again when my mom passes.  Sometimes there really is no way for someone to save up for anything, much less a funeral.

**It's funny in retrospect, a family member thanked us for paying for the dinner *after* the funeral, and said how Aunt P. had paid for the funeral.  I was like, no!  WE paid for the funeral, Aunt P. paid for the much less expensive dinner!

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« Reply #45 on: March 04, 2015, 03:18:27 PM »
Yea the mother thinks we'll be footing all her bills pretty much...I've told her no, in regards to the funeral, my family is VERY big on "paying last respects" so if we don't do a viewing it will piss the rest of them off, mind you none of them are willing to help foot the bill so if we don't do it, it pretty much cuts off all ties with my family.  There is a big part of me that asks "do I really care", I'm not sure of that answer yet

Oh goodness MishMash, you have so much going on here....

If the "family" thinks it is important, then the "family" should make it a priority.  Is it a priority for you?  Because you and the DH are the only folks who really matter, everything else is noise.  Are any of these folks going to bail you out if you need it?

Sending you non-creeper internet hugs from afar.

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« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2015, 03:38:31 PM »
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Ha! No, I just told him I carry concealed a .45 or a 9 at all times and that I am a VERY good shot.  He's definitely not the worst one I've had to deal with at this job.  That award goes to one of our original founders who was married with three kids back when I first started at this company, car broke down at work, husband (then boyfriend) had just deployed, he drove me home, asked to use the rest room, thinking he's 50, married sure why not?  He comes out all handsy, gropey, hair pullering while I'm getting food out of the fridge.  I threw the cat at him, grabbed the 9 mil I stashed in the knife drawer and told him to get the fuck out.  At that time I desperately needed the job, had no money for a lawyer, and they were the only game in town, I also didn't want to give him the power that quitting would have done. 

I got my revenge on him though...met his wife 6 months later, told her what happened, she divorced his ass so fast it would make your head spin.  He had to sell his stake to pay the lawyers fees :-)

Learned two lessons that day, ALWAYS carry (which oddly enough saved me from a violent assault three years later when a guy dragged me off my bike into an alley) and that I was never going to be poor enough that I had to stick around after an event like that just so I could feed myself.

I'm still pretty sure had my husband been home, he would have turned up in a south Georgia swamp.  Nope, scratch that, my husband is good enough to make sure they don't find anything.  He still brings it up that he feels bad he wasn't there to defend me and that I should have pulled the trigger.

Yea the mother thinks we'll be footing all her bills pretty much...I've told her no, in regards to the funeral, my family is VERY big on "paying last respects" so if we don't do a viewing it will piss the rest of them off, mind you none of them are willing to help foot the bill so if we don't do it, it pretty much cuts off all ties with my family.  There is a big part of me that asks "do I really care", I'm not sure of that answer yet
Been there, done that, don't feel like you're alone. As a female engineer, the inability to carry is a major reason I will GTFO of MD when bf is done with the military. I carried in VA and my coworkers knew it. it saved me several times. If you stay, get a lawyer and document your work environment before you really do need to defend yourself. I documented things I experienced, and was given escort and permission to carry in some otherwise prohibited places. I was an intern making $10 per hour and my employer arranged this. I wonder if they cared, or if it was so they didn't face a lawyer.

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« Reply #47 on: March 04, 2015, 03:59:40 PM »
It may not be time to quit, but it is certainly time to look for a new employer.

Scale back effort at work and scale up the job search. Understand that you will most likely give up the flexible schedule.

Giving up the flexible work schedule is my number one fear because I rely on it so much, and utilize it all the time.  Literally I will not speak to my husband for a month, then I can get a call and he says HEY! I'm coming home!  Can you get me from the airport tomorrow at 2? or for example, I did all the food for his promotion, cooked for 100 people, i worked from home for 2 days to pull it off.  They know me doing what I want, when I want, is the ONLY reason I stick around I feel. 

I'm not sure I can afford to give up that flexibility without something else somewhere caving in.
I totally understand this.  My job has been soul-crushing for the last two years.  I have been "lightly" looking for a new job.  But I have flexibility.  I work 40 hours, sometimes less. I take time off for the kids when I need to.  I leave at 4:30 pm every day.

It would be very hard to get this anywhere else.  So a new job would have to offer something else to get me there.  It's worth so much to get off at 4:30.  If I have to work later, then I need to look for different child care, etc.

And my husband isn't in the military, so I have it easier.  He does travel though, and of course when he is traveling I have to do drop off and pick up and that means at best, I work 7.5 hours.

I feel you.  But I still am "looking" and you never know what might come up.

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« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2015, 11:01:09 AM »
Hi, MishMash--so sorry to hear that you're going through all that crap at work.

A question for you:  you mentioned in another thread that you had a good quantity of side-hustle work.  I'm wondering:  what if you re-cast your understanding of "working" from working a full-time job to going totally freelance?  You would not reach your FIRE number as quickly, but you would be adding SOMETHING to the pile every time you bring in a check.

An example from my own life might help explain what I mean.  I was working at a job that was killing me--figuatively, I mean, mostly, but in some sense literally, too; toward the end of my time at that company, for example, I gained 40+ pounds in just over a year due to lack of focus on diet and exercise, lots of stress-based eating (I do love me some pizza when I get stressed!), and a small host of medical issues which I firmly believe were also stress-related.  To make a long story short (too late?), I quit--but only after a LOT of soul-searching and soul-baring conversations with my then-fiancé-now-husband. 

I too felt guilty about not bringing in any money to the household, even though we were well on our way to a FIRE-able stash even without me making any money, and he was in a job that he loved and would keep doing even if we were suddenly FI--it would just take us LONGER to get there without my being employed.  It took at least a year for me to pull the trigger--I had one-more-month syndrome really bad (can't quite call it OMY since we weren't truly FI, I guess!).

What I've found was that after I quit (almost a year ago now), I've been doing contracting gigs pretty much continuously, and will likely continue to do so until the end of this year.  So right now, I'm still bringing in money--less money, sure, but with WAY less stress and WAY less nonsense.  The contracting life means you have to buy your own health insurance (which I do through DH's employer), and pay attention to tax implications (I'm lucky enough to be a W2 employee, but if you're on a 1099 basis you have to plan for that). 

So my guilt feelings were at least partially addressed--and my question to myself now is how much longer do I need/want to do it?  (We have some goals that we can reach more quickly if I do continue to contract for a while, but the end-game is for me to stop at some point--back to OMM/OMY syndrome, I guess--but that's a matter for another post.)

So what I'm saying boils down to this, really:  if you have some side hustles that you're doing now, maybe quitting and amping up the contracting could be a good best-of-both-worlds sitaution for you.  You'd still have the flexiblity that you need to support the household while your husband is deployed, you could still keep your skills sharp, you could still make progress (albeit more slowly) toward your FIRE number, and most importantly, you could do it in peace, away from the toxic environment that is taking such a profound toll on you.

It sounds like you have a self-imposed deadline to reach your FIRE number.  Since it IS self-imposed, why not just change it?  You created it--you get to destroy it, too, if it no longer meshes with reality.  My experience taught me that that financial goals and gainful employment are not black-or-white dichotomies:  there are more options than a full-time soul-sucking job on one hand, and a total lack of employment on the other.  It's not even that there are shades of gray--there's purple, and rose, and vermillion, and even gold.  All you have to do (get to do!) is create it.

Good luck--keep us posted on how it turns out!  We're all rooting for you.

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« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2015, 12:17:01 PM »
A little bit off topic, but approximately what percentage of engineers are women? I am sure it varies according to kind of engineering, but even a rough guess would be useful.

I did look around a little but I only found the "approximately 20% of engineering students are women" stat.

Thanks.