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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #7850 on: August 28, 2020, 12:00:47 PM »
In short, a few days ago, California had an unusually hot day followed by an unusually hot evening.  All the solar panels stopped generating when the sun went down, but everyone was still running their A/C.  The remaining plants in California couldn't keep up, and there wasn't enough surplus available from surrounding states, so they experienced rolling blackouts.
What you described here is not a problem of renewables but a problem of not enough energy storage (or too unreliable energy use). The same is true for conventional power plants.
In fact you would be totally right if you say that all the conventional power plants are blocking the energy grid.

With conventional power plants you need to store energy at night because they can't be powered down and up fast enough to comply with demand, so they deliver too much energy.
With renewables you need to store energy (not only at night, but mostly there if you have a an overweight on PV) because they deliver not enough energy (until you have more production capabilities).

edit: I may add a connected MPP problem: Because of the big Old Energy companies lobbying effort's it has become such an hassle to sell a few hundred kWH of energy a year, you buy a battery to use all yourself even if that is more expensive and more wasteful for the environment.
We're dragging the thread OT here, but I feel like a few things need clarification:
--I mean that it's the shift toward solar and away from fossil fuels that caused it, not the mere presence of solar power
--I'm not sure where you got the impression that conventional power generation requires storage.  That's simply not true.  Natural gas-powered plants can ramp up basically instantaneously, and hence need no storage.  Hydroelectric is the same, although you could argue that hydroelectric *is* stored energy :) Coal is pretty quick, too.  Nuclear is slow (significant fractions of an hour to ramp up/down).

The issue of selling back energy has been heavily discussed in other threads, but the problem is that consumers expect to have their cake and eat it too, when it comes to solar.  They want to get paid (or credited) full retail cost of the electricity they generate, but also expect the Old Energy companies to maintain enough generation capacity to supply the grid when PV generation is weak and demand is high.  Big Old Energy then is expected to purchase and maintain equipment which then sits underutilized (i.e. not earning money) a lot of the time.

In the US, nuclear (~20% of electricity) does not "load follow" or change power unless absolutely necessary.   
In France (~75% nuclear electricity ) they do, using Westinghouse-style Pressurized Water Reactors (PWR). Same thing with nuclear powered naval vessels (almost said "nucwear wessels") which obviously need to change power levels on demand.   
You can change power levels on a GE Boiling Water Reactor (BWR) but it is trickier, as some power levels are harder to maintain (the exclusion zone).  US has 64 PWRs and 32 BWRs.
Ah, you're right, thanks for the correction!

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #7851 on: August 28, 2020, 12:01:46 PM »
In France (~75% nuclear electricity ) they do, using Westinghouse-style Pressurized Water Reactors (PWR).
France often has to buy huge amounts of Energy from Germany (regeneratives) during winter and summer. Whenever the weather gets somehow extreme.
So it's not as if those reactors are making a stable energy grid.

Especially with higher and longer high temepratues due to climate change nuclear has a big problem getting cooling water since the rivers can get so warm they can't use any of it.

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« Reply #7852 on: August 28, 2020, 12:44:08 PM »
Home energy report consistently says we are using nearly 20% more energy than last year. We are still in the efficiency zone most months and have probably cut the use of gas for the cars by far more than that, but still...

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #7853 on: August 28, 2020, 01:02:11 PM »
In France (~75% nuclear electricity ) they do, using Westinghouse-style Pressurized Water Reactors (PWR).
France often has to buy huge amounts of Energy from Germany (regeneratives) during winter and summer. Whenever the weather gets somehow extreme.
So it's not as if those reactors are making a stable energy grid.

Especially with higher and longer high temepratues due to climate change nuclear has a big problem getting cooling water since the rivers can get so warm they can't use any of it.

I don't agree with your statements.

https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/features/electricity-export-france/
France exports 9.3% (of French electrical generation).
Germany exports 5.7% (of German electrical generation)

The report suggests Germany was Europe’s second-largest net exporter and was the second biggest market for France’s exports during the period.. (ie Germany is an importer too)

Imports of electricity to France represent 0.5% of demand.

Imports of electricity to Germany represent 1.0 % of demand.

So imports to either Germany or France are local load balancing, not major stuff.

Many French reactors on rivers use air cooling, with minimal water input, and the water temperature is a minor factor. This is make up water for the water lost in evaporative cooling in the cooling towers. 
Of course if the water level is too low, you can't get (or are forbidden from getting) that make-up water.

The majority of nuclear plants in France are located away from the coasts and obtain their cooling water from rivers. These plants employ cooling towers to reduce their impact on the environment. 
via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France

Exceptions to the river water use for direct cooling include Fessenheim (on the Rhine Canal), to German irritation :-)

I looked up the cooling vs source on Wikipedia, and have been to (worked at) Cattenom, Chinon, Belleville, all of which use air cooling (evaporative), and to Fessenheim.

I've also been to Philippsburg (worked there during Unit 1 decommissioning) and Isar (just a visit), both in Germany.

As side note, I live near a reactor in the middle of the desert, it also uses evaporative cooling to air, with some water make-up intake, but no discharges back to the river.
In winter, you can see the condensed vapor, but in summertime at ~40C (104F) at full power no vapor could be seen.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #7854 on: August 28, 2020, 01:09:46 PM »
In France (~75% nuclear electricity ) they do, using Westinghouse-style Pressurized Water Reactors (PWR).
France often has to buy huge amounts of Energy from Germany (regeneratives) during winter and summer. Whenever the weather gets somehow extreme.
So it's not as if those reactors are making a stable energy grid.

Especially with higher and longer high temepratues due to climate change nuclear has a big problem getting cooling water since the rivers can get so warm they can't use any of it.

I don't agree with your statements.

https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/features/electricity-export-france/
France exports 9.3% (of French electrical generation).
Germany exports 5.7% (of German electrical generation)

The report suggests Germany was Europe’s second-largest net exporter and was the second biggest market for France’s exports during the period.. (ie Germany is an importer too)

Imports of electricity to France represent 0.5% of demand.

Imports of electricity to Germany represent 1.0 % of demand.

So imports to either Germany or France are local load balancing, not major stuff.

Many French reactors on rivers use air cooling, with minimal water input, and the water temperature is a minor factor. This is make up water for the water lost in evaporative cooling in the cooling towers. 
Of course if the water level is too low, you can't get (or are forbidden from getting) that make-up water.

The majority of nuclear plants in France are located away from the coasts and obtain their cooling water from rivers. These plants employ cooling towers to reduce their impact on the environment. 
via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France

Exceptions to the river water use for direct cooling include Fessenheim (on the Rhine Canal), to German irritation :-)

I looked up the cooling vs source on Wikipedia, and have been to (worked at) Cattenom, Chinon, Belleville, all of which use air cooling (evaporative), and to Fessenheim.

I've also been to Philippsburg (worked there during Unit 1 decommissioning) and Isar (just a visit), both in Germany.

As side note, I live near a reactor in the middle of the desert, it also uses evaporative cooling to air, with some water make-up intake, but no discharges back to the river.
In winter, you can see the condensed vapor, but in summertime at ~40C (104F) at full power no vapor could be seen.

That reminds me, another of CA's problems is that they unexpectedly lost a nuclear reactor a few years ago. They were meant to be doing maintenance, but they caused damage that resulted in decommissioning, instead.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #7855 on: August 28, 2020, 01:29:38 PM »
In France (~75% nuclear electricity ) they do, using Westinghouse-style Pressurized Water Reactors (PWR).
France often has to buy huge amounts of Energy from Germany (regeneratives) during winter and summer. Whenever the weather gets somehow extreme.
So it's not as if those reactors are making a stable energy grid.

Especially with higher and longer high temepratues due to climate change nuclear has a big problem getting cooling water since the rivers can get so warm they can't use any of it.

I don't agree with your statements.

https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/features/electricity-export-france/
France exports 9.3% (of French electrical generation).
Germany exports 5.7% (of German electrical generation)

The report suggests Germany was Europe’s second-largest net exporter and was the second biggest market for France’s exports during the period.. (ie Germany is an importer too)

Imports of electricity to France represent 0.5% of demand.

Imports of electricity to Germany represent 1.0 % of demand.

So imports to either Germany or France are local load balancing, not major stuff.

Many French reactors on rivers use air cooling, with minimal water input, and the water temperature is a minor factor. This is make up water for the water lost in evaporative cooling in the cooling towers. 
Of course if the water level is too low, you can't get (or are forbidden from getting) that make-up water.

The majority of nuclear plants in France are located away from the coasts and obtain their cooling water from rivers. These plants employ cooling towers to reduce their impact on the environment. 
via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France

Exceptions to the river water use for direct cooling include Fessenheim (on the Rhine Canal), to German irritation :-)

I looked up the cooling vs source on Wikipedia, and have been to (worked at) Cattenom, Chinon, Belleville, all of which use air cooling (evaporative), and to Fessenheim.

I've also been to Philippsburg (worked there during Unit 1 decommissioning) and Isar (just a visit), both in Germany.

As side note, I live near a reactor in the middle of the desert, it also uses evaporative cooling to air, with some water make-up intake, but no discharges back to the river.
In winter, you can see the condensed vapor, but in summertime at ~40C (104F) at full power no vapor could be seen.

That reminds me, another of CA's problems is that they unexpectedly lost a nuclear reactor a few years ago. They were meant to be doing maintenance, but they caused damage that resulted in decommissioning, instead.
California or Canada?
San Onofre, California installed poorly designed steam generators in 2011. (Source: a resident contractor, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Onofre_Nuclear_Generating_Station)

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #7856 on: August 28, 2020, 01:40:36 PM »
This is totally off-thread but I guess energy is everyone's problem, mustachian or not. What is your opinion on these sodium-cooled reactors Bill Gate is now getting behind? Any merit to them? Can create a new thread to discuss.

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« Reply #7857 on: August 28, 2020, 01:43:23 PM »
This is totally off-thread but I guess energy is everyone's problem, mustachian or not. What is your opinion on these sodium-cooled reactors Bill Gate is now getting behind? Any merit to them? Can create a new thread to discuss.

Yes, if there are Mustachians in the industry I would enjoy reading their thoughts on new developments.

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« Reply #7858 on: August 28, 2020, 01:48:14 PM »
In France (~75% nuclear electricity ) they do, using Westinghouse-style Pressurized Water Reactors (PWR).
France often has to buy huge amounts of Energy from Germany (regeneratives) during winter and summer. Whenever the weather gets somehow extreme.
So it's not as if those reactors are making a stable energy grid.

Especially with higher and longer high temepratues due to climate change nuclear has a big problem getting cooling water since the rivers can get so warm they can't use any of it.

I don't agree with your statements.

https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/features/electricity-export-france/
France exports 9.3% (of French electrical generation).
Germany exports 5.7% (of German electrical generation)

The report suggests Germany was Europe’s second-largest net exporter and was the second biggest market for France’s exports during the period.. (ie Germany is an importer too)

Imports of electricity to France represent 0.5% of demand.

Imports of electricity to Germany represent 1.0 % of demand.

So imports to either Germany or France are local load balancing, not major stuff.

Many French reactors on rivers use air cooling, with minimal water input, and the water temperature is a minor factor. This is make up water for the water lost in evaporative cooling in the cooling towers. 
Of course if the water level is too low, you can't get (or are forbidden from getting) that make-up water.

The majority of nuclear plants in France are located away from the coasts and obtain their cooling water from rivers. These plants employ cooling towers to reduce their impact on the environment. 
via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France

Exceptions to the river water use for direct cooling include Fessenheim (on the Rhine Canal), to German irritation :-)

I looked up the cooling vs source on Wikipedia, and have been to (worked at) Cattenom, Chinon, Belleville, all of which use air cooling (evaporative), and to Fessenheim.

I've also been to Philippsburg (worked there during Unit 1 decommissioning) and Isar (just a visit), both in Germany.

As side note, I live near a reactor in the middle of the desert, it also uses evaporative cooling to air, with some water make-up intake, but no discharges back to the river.
In winter, you can see the condensed vapor, but in summertime at ~40C (104F) at full power no vapor could be seen.

That reminds me, another of CA's problems is that they unexpectedly lost a nuclear reactor a few years ago. They were meant to be doing maintenance, but they caused damage that resulted in decommissioning, instead.
California or Canada?
San Onofre, California installed poorly designed steam generators in 2011. (Source: a resident contractor, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Onofre_Nuclear_Generating_Station)

That's the one. OK, they found damage, rather than causing it. Point remains that the generators were stopped on short notice, affecting the overall production capacity in times of high demand.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #7859 on: August 28, 2020, 02:04:27 PM »
In France (~75% nuclear electricity ) they do, using Westinghouse-style Pressurized Water Reactors (PWR).
France often has to buy huge amounts of Energy from Germany (regeneratives) during winter and summer. Whenever the weather gets somehow extreme.
So it's not as if those reactors are making a stable energy grid.

Especially with higher and longer high temepratues due to climate change nuclear has a big problem getting cooling water since the rivers can get so warm they can't use any of it.
I don't understand blaming climate change for the problems.  It's not something that has happened suddenly.  According to NOAA, we're about two degrees Fahrenheit warmer than 150 years ago, and temperatures have actually been sorta flat the last five years.  Power plants get built a whole lot faster :)

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« Reply #7860 on: August 28, 2020, 02:08:07 PM »
In France (~75% nuclear electricity ) they do, using Westinghouse-style Pressurized Water Reactors (PWR).
France often has to buy huge amounts of Energy from Germany (regeneratives) during winter and summer. Whenever the weather gets somehow extreme.
So it's not as if those reactors are making a stable energy grid.

Especially with higher and longer high temepratues due to climate change nuclear has a big problem getting cooling water since the rivers can get so warm they can't use any of it.
I don't understand blaming climate change for the problems.  It's not something that has happened suddenly.  According to NOAA, we're about two degrees Fahrenheit warmer than 150 years ago, and temperatures have actually been sorta flat the last five years.  Power plants get built a whole lot faster :)

You are looking at global averages, which don't account for some places being more extreme. If a midwestern state (or France, for that matter) is experiencing both colder winters and hotter summers, the average hasn't necessarily changed much even in that one location.

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« Reply #7861 on: August 28, 2020, 02:12:08 PM »
In France (~75% nuclear electricity ) they do, using Westinghouse-style Pressurized Water Reactors (PWR).
France often has to buy huge amounts of Energy from Germany (regeneratives) during winter and summer. Whenever the weather gets somehow extreme.
So it's not as if those reactors are making a stable energy grid.

Especially with higher and longer high temepratues due to climate change nuclear has a big problem getting cooling water since the rivers can get so warm they can't use any of it.
I don't understand blaming climate change for the problems.  It's not something that has happened suddenly.  According to NOAA, we're about two degrees Fahrenheit warmer than 150 years ago, and temperatures have actually been sorta flat the last five years.  Power plants get built a whole lot faster :)

Mean global air temperature has little to do with cooling capacity of groundwater rivers. What's more important is the temperature of the surrounding ground and overlying air. This paper gives an example of increasing mean surface temperatures in France, which is more directly related. https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/10.1002/joc.1211

Climate change is quite complicated and using a single time trend of a single datapoint doesn't capture the regional details that affect certain areas more than others. Also, power plants don't get built within 5 years (except some peaker plants). Wind and solar can be built much faster.

Off topic, but what do you all think about the sodium-cooled nuclear plants? I saw an article that Bill Gates and Buffet are getting behind some funding for them.

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« Reply #7862 on: August 28, 2020, 02:18:49 PM »
In France (~75% nuclear electricity ) they do, using Westinghouse-style Pressurized Water Reactors (PWR).
France often has to buy huge amounts of Energy from Germany (regeneratives) during winter and summer. Whenever the weather gets somehow extreme.
So it's not as if those reactors are making a stable energy grid.

Especially with higher and longer high temepratues due to climate change nuclear has a big problem getting cooling water since the rivers can get so warm they can't use any of it.
I don't understand blaming climate change for the problems.  It's not something that has happened suddenly.  According to NOAA, we're about two degrees Fahrenheit warmer than 150 years ago, and temperatures have actually been sorta flat the last five years.  Power plants get built a whole lot faster :)

You are looking at global averages, which don't account for some places being more extreme. If a midwestern state (or France, for that matter) is experiencing both colder winters and hotter summers, the average hasn't necessarily changed much even in that one location.

Here's a good summary of changing in heating and cooling needs in the US. Figure 2 shows widespread decrease in heating "degree-days", while Figure 3 shows the increase in cooling "degree-days" in the US. Interestingly, parts of the Southeast US has seen a decrease, while Florida, the Southwest and Northeast has gotten considerably warmer.

The main point is that the earth is slowly warming, and various regions are affected differently.

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« Reply #7863 on: August 28, 2020, 04:48:44 PM »
Natural gas-powered plants can ramp up basically instantaneously, and hence need no storage.

Funny you say this because the the rolling blackouts could have been avoided had two natural gas generators not unexpectedly gone offline.

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« Reply #7864 on: August 29, 2020, 01:34:58 AM »
In France (~75% nuclear electricity ) they do, using Westinghouse-style Pressurized Water Reactors (PWR).
France often has to buy huge amounts of Energy from Germany (regeneratives) during winter and summer. Whenever the weather gets somehow extreme.
So it's not as if those reactors are making a stable energy grid.

Especially with higher and longer high temepratues due to climate change nuclear has a big problem getting cooling water since the rivers can get so warm they can't use any of it.

I don't agree with your statements.

https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/features/electricity-export-france/
France exports 9.3% (of French electrical generation).
Germany exports 5.7% (of German electrical generation)

Exceptions to the river water use for direct cooling include Fessenheim (on the Rhine Canal), to German irritation :-)

Yes, but that is all-year numbers. The point is that in the hot summers we had in the last years France had to shut down nuclear power plants because either the water back into the river would have made it too hot, or the river too dry. (Even the Rhine was not usable for normal loads and many ships could not even use it empty.)

That may have been exceptions. Exceptions in an unusual row. But all climate predictions say those situations will be normal in the middle of the century.

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What is your opinion on these sodium-cooled reactors Bill Gate is now getting behind? Any merit to them?
In theory they sound good. So they have been said to be the future for 50 years, like Fusion energy.
The "problem" with them is that they don't produce the stuff that is the reason for nuclear power to exist: weapons-grade plutonium (this is actually the reason why fusion research was stopped after a few years back around 1960).
And they are even more expensive than "old" nuclear power, which is already more expensive than regenerative energies - not counting the costs if one of those goes BOOM.
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« Reply #7865 on: August 29, 2020, 07:06:08 AM »
This is totally off-thread but I guess energy is everyone's problem, mustachian or not. What is your opinion on these sodium-cooled reactors Bill Gate is now getting behind? Any merit to them? Can create a new thread to discuss.

Some variation of small modular nuclear reactors is about the only hope for practical new-build nuclear in the USA. The classic Giga-scale reactor construction projects in recent years have all massively blown their budgets and schedules - to the point where half have been cancelled after wasting billions of dollars. Each.

Even presuming small modular works out - in the best case scenario, I don't see small modular reactors being produced at real scale for at least 20 years.

In the meantime, wind and solar are lowest cost generation and batteries to complement are getting installed.

https://www.energy-storage.news/news/california-utility-pge-breaks-ground-on-730mwh-moss-landing-battery-project

Texas (ERCOT) has 14.5 GW of battery storage in the planning/development stages with most of it scheduled to be completed during 2021 and 2022.

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« Reply #7866 on: August 29, 2020, 06:05:54 PM »
-I want to close my account

-But you have such a long history with us!

-I found the card in the drawer still attached to the paper.

-What made you stop using the card in 2016?

-I just can't be bothered with rotating categories, when I have a card that gives me the same cash back in the category of my choice!


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-In 20 years, I have never carried a balance on this card.

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« Reply #7867 on: August 29, 2020, 06:46:27 PM »
DW used the wrong credit card this week for coffee. She got charged $ .14 in foreign transaction fees. Grrr.....

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« Reply #7868 on: August 29, 2020, 07:31:17 PM »
In France (~75% nuclear electricity ) they do, using Westinghouse-style Pressurized Water Reactors (PWR).
France often has to buy huge amounts of Energy from Germany (regeneratives) during winter and summer. Whenever the weather gets somehow extreme.
So it's not as if those reactors are making a stable energy grid.

Especially with higher and longer high temepratues due to climate change nuclear has a big problem getting cooling water since the rivers can get so warm they can't use any of it.
I don't understand blaming climate change for the problems.  It's not something that has happened suddenly.  According to NOAA, we're about two degrees Fahrenheit warmer than 150 years ago, and temperatures have actually been sorta flat the last five years.  Power plants get built a whole lot faster :)

Mean global air temperature has little to do with cooling capacity of groundwater rivers. What's more important is the temperature of the surrounding ground and overlying air. This paper gives an example of increasing mean surface temperatures in France, which is more directly related. https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/10.1002/joc.1211

Climate change is quite complicated and using a single time trend of a single datapoint doesn't capture the regional details that affect certain areas more than others. Also, power plants don't get built within 5 years (except some peaker plants). Wind and solar can be built much faster.

Off topic, but what do you all think about the sodium-cooled nuclear plants? I saw an article that Bill Gates and Buffet are getting behind some funding for them.
Fair enough on the cooling water :)

I think sodium reactors are a bit of a solution in search of a problem.  I believe they were used by some soviet nuclear submarines. Their biggest advantage is their power/size, but that's not much of an issue for civilian power production, and if they ever shut down, you've got to have something else to keep the liquid sodium hot--once it's cooled and solidified, the reactor's done.  I think there are better options out there.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #7869 on: August 31, 2020, 02:34:22 PM »
I have a 9+ year old laptop in perfect working condition except for some minor things - I can't get the camera to work (I never even tried to use it until this year with all the Zoom BS, not a big deal), the battery is dead and the charging cable has to be held at a certain angle to charge. It's fine, basically perfect if you tape the cable in place and don't need a camera. I'm VERY happy and pleased and proud that I have held onto a laptop this long - I replaced the keyboard once (DIY with a secondhand keyboard) and that's it. Not just for the money saved but for all the crap kept out of landfills and etc. It's just great all around!

So my parents have decided to give me a generous financial gift (for a lot of reasons which make sense in terms of money management and fairness-between-kids and future inheritance kind of stuff) and my mom handed me a check today and said "OK, the only thing is: you HAVE to promise me you'll get a new laptop! That's not a frivolous thing to buy, it's something you really need!" Just because I had mentioned that I had to do Zoom meetings on my phone because the camera on my laptop doesn't work.

Only mustachians will appreciate how valuable it is to simultaneously have an excuse not to do Zoom meetings AND experience the joy of having a laptop that's 9+ years old... and how painful it is to be essentially bribed to throw it away. LOL.

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« Reply #7870 on: August 31, 2020, 02:39:25 PM »
Being FI I’d say “oh I didn’t know there were strings attached to this money no thanks”

Although you could say you will replace the laptop.  It’s true you just don’t give a timeframe

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« Reply #7871 on: August 31, 2020, 02:55:53 PM »
Being FI I’d say “oh I didn’t know there were strings attached to this money no thanks”

Although you could say you will replace the laptop.  It’s true you just don’t give a timeframe

Even if I were FI (I'm not, and I'm unemployed, so I'm very happy to be given cash) I think I would be willing to purchase an inexpensive laptop if it would let me give a big donation to a good charitable cause.

The laptop replacement is actually oddly complicated - I already have a replacement waiting in the wings, which I bought when there was a good sale because the old laptop seemed to be on its last legs with the battery and charging cable and etc. But it keeps chugging on eternally, and when I booted the new laptop to see if I could use it for a Zoom meeting, I can't get that camera to work either! Maybe I could just buy a webcam and hope my mom doesn't pay that close attention.

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« Reply #7872 on: August 31, 2020, 03:02:07 PM »
Being FI I’d say “oh I didn’t know there were strings attached to this money no thanks”

Although you could say you will replace the laptop.  It’s true you just don’t give a timeframe

Even if I were FI (I'm not, and I'm unemployed, so I'm very happy to be given cash) I think I would be willing to purchase an inexpensive laptop if it would let me give a big donation to a good charitable cause.

The laptop replacement is actually oddly complicated - I already have a replacement waiting in the wings, which I bought when there was a good sale because the old laptop seemed to be on its last legs with the battery and charging cable and etc. But it keeps chugging on eternally, and when I booted the new laptop to see if I could use it for a Zoom meeting, I can't get that camera to work either! Maybe I could just buy a webcam and hope my mom doesn't pay that close attention.

In windows there are security settings that have to be set correctly to get the camera and microphone to work with zoom and other web apps.    You'll have to google it.

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« Reply #7873 on: August 31, 2020, 03:36:18 PM »
In windows there are security settings that have to be set correctly to get the camera and microphone to work with zoom and other web apps.    You'll have to google it.

I worked as IT help desk support for a small biz for 18 years alongside many other job titles, so I don't really need the "google it" level of advice... but thanks anyway. I did try to set the settings correctly, but it didn't do what it was supposed to and I didn't have a lot of time to figure it out pre-meeting (and I haven't needed it since). I'll give it another shot at some point before actually spending money on something.

Knowing me, I probably unchecked the option to include a webcam when I ordered it to save $7... :-P  Who knew we'd all be spending our lives in video conferences in 2020.

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« Reply #7874 on: August 31, 2020, 03:52:03 PM »
In windows there are security settings that have to be set correctly to get the camera and microphone to work with zoom and other web apps.    You'll have to google it.

I worked as IT help desk support for a small biz for 18 years alongside many other job titles, so I don't really need the "google it" level of advice... but thanks anyway. I did try to set the settings correctly, but it didn't do what it was supposed to and I didn't have a lot of time to figure it out pre-meeting (and I haven't needed it since). I'll give it another shot at some point before actually spending money on something.

Knowing me, I probably unchecked the option to include a webcam when I ordered it to save $7... :-P  Who knew we'd all be spending our lives in video conferences in 2020.

Reminds me of all the DOD contractor laptops i've seen where they paid someone to take the camera out... I wonder if they had to pay someone to put some of them back in this year...

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« Reply #7875 on: August 31, 2020, 07:48:00 PM »
In windows there are security settings that have to be set correctly to get the camera and microphone to work with zoom and other web apps.    You'll have to google it.

I worked as IT help desk support for a small biz for 18 years alongside many other job titles, so I don't really need the "google it" level of advice... but thanks anyway. I did try to set the settings correctly, but it didn't do what it was supposed to and I didn't have a lot of time to figure it out pre-meeting (and I haven't needed it since). I'll give it another shot at some point before actually spending money on something.

Knowing me, I probably unchecked the option to include a webcam when I ordered it to save $7... :-P  Who knew we'd all be spending our lives in video conferences in 2020.

Reminds me of all the DOD contractor laptops i've seen where they paid someone to take the camera out... I wonder if they had to pay someone to put some of them back in this year...

Nope. The commo team just gets a lot of grief for not having a stockpile of webcams on the shelf a week after Teams was authorized and half the building is ordered to telework.

Also, I'm trying to buy about $1 million worth of new laptops that have very specific traits. The product description states that there's no wireless three times in the same paragraph.

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« Reply #7876 on: August 31, 2020, 08:14:14 PM »
In windows there are security settings that have to be set correctly to get the camera and microphone to work with zoom and other web apps.    You'll have to google it.

I worked as IT help desk support for a small biz for 18 years alongside many other job titles, so I don't really need the "google it" level of advice... but thanks anyway. I did try to set the settings correctly, but it didn't do what it was supposed to and I didn't have a lot of time to figure it out pre-meeting (and I haven't needed it since). I'll give it another shot at some point before actually spending money on something.

Knowing me, I probably unchecked the option to include a webcam when I ordered it to save $7... :-P  Who knew we'd all be spending our lives in video conferences in 2020.

Reminds me of all the DOD contractor laptops i've seen where they paid someone to take the camera out... I wonder if they had to pay someone to put some of them back in this year...

Nope. The commo team just gets a lot of grief for not having a stockpile of webcams on the shelf a week after Teams was authorized and half the building is ordered to telework.

Also, I'm trying to buy about $1 million worth of new laptops that have very specific traits. The product description states that there's no wireless three times in the same paragraph.
Interesting, since (depending on the model) it takes about 2 minutes to open up the laptop and pop out the wireless card.

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« Reply #7877 on: August 31, 2020, 08:19:55 PM »
In windows there are security settings that have to be set correctly to get the camera and microphone to work with zoom and other web apps.    You'll have to google it.

I worked as IT help desk support for a small biz for 18 years alongside many other job titles, so I don't really need the "google it" level of advice... but thanks anyway. I did try to set the settings correctly, but it didn't do what it was supposed to and I didn't have a lot of time to figure it out pre-meeting (and I haven't needed it since). I'll give it another shot at some point before actually spending money on something.

Knowing me, I probably unchecked the option to include a webcam when I ordered it to save $7... :-P  Who knew we'd all be spending our lives in video conferences in 2020.

Reminds me of all the DOD contractor laptops i've seen where they paid someone to take the camera out... I wonder if they had to pay someone to put some of them back in this year...

Nope. The commo team just gets a lot of grief for not having a stockpile of webcams on the shelf a week after Teams was authorized and half the building is ordered to telework.

Also, I'm trying to buy about $1 million worth of new laptops that have very specific traits. The product description states that there's no wireless three times in the same paragraph.

As a former nuclear power contract worker, I can sympathize.   
I once had to _beg_ our cell phone provider to ensure that NO CAMERA was installed in my phone. 
At the time, nuclear power plants were pretty paranoid about any cameras (special tag on camera, high-level permission etc).   
Same with our laptops, which we though was great, since we had them in our hotel rooms also.  No one wants the possibility of seeing a nuke worker in less than underwear. 
Underwear is a common thing at some nuke plants, especially non-US countries. -- this gives me the idea for a thread "What is the weirdest thing that you had to do at work." 

Turned up to 11, when our IT guy had to physically remove the wifi radio from my laptop to go to a Department of Energy reactor.
Why?  In the second sub-basement where we were set up, there was a "computer room" that we _might_ have picked up some signals from a computer from the EBCDIC (60's) era (my supposition).
No one examined the laptop on entry....

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« Reply #7878 on: August 31, 2020, 08:33:21 PM »
Reminds me of all the DOD contractor laptops i've seen where they paid someone to take the camera out... I wonder if they had to pay someone to put some of them back in this year...

No, they won't do that.   No way.   Those computers, wherever they were and however they were being used, weren't supposed to have cameras and that wouldn't change.

Instead, they would buy new computers and place them someplace that didn't have to be as secured.

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« Reply #7879 on: September 01, 2020, 01:18:17 AM »
Reminds me of all the DOD contractor laptops i've seen where they paid someone to take the camera out... I wonder if they had to pay someone to put some of them back in this year...

No, they won't do that.   No way.   Those computers, wherever they were and however they were being used, weren't supposed to have cameras and that wouldn't change.

Instead, they would buy new computers and place them someplace that didn't have to be as secured.

You’re probably right about just buying new ones. Sounds like that is what Travis is seeing too. I experienced a few blanket policies where since some computers couldn’t have cameras none were allowed to.

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« Reply #7880 on: September 01, 2020, 05:54:10 AM »
Reminds me of all the DOD contractor laptops i've seen where they paid someone to take the camera out... I wonder if they had to pay someone to put some of them back in this year...

No, they won't do that.   No way.   Those computers, wherever they were and however they were being used, weren't supposed to have cameras and that wouldn't change.

Instead, they would buy new computers and place them someplace that didn't have to be as secured.

No, they would ask for bids on supplying X number of new computers.  Three to six months later, those computers will arrive.  In the meantime the employees will be expected to make do with what they've got.  For most, that's going to mean scrounging up a headphone/microphone combo and maybe an external camera.  If there's not any in the warehouse then the next course of action is to suck up to the IT department to see if anyone has any in their personal stash that they would be willing to give you.   

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« Reply #7881 on: September 01, 2020, 07:36:44 AM »
Reminds me of all the DOD contractor laptops i've seen where they paid someone to take the camera out... I wonder if they had to pay someone to put some of them back in this year...

No, they won't do that.   No way.   Those computers, wherever they were and however they were being used, weren't supposed to have cameras and that wouldn't change.

Instead, they would buy new computers and place them someplace that didn't have to be as secured.

No, they would ask for bids on supplying X number of new computers.  Three to six months later, those computers will arrive.  In the meantime the employees will be expected to make do with what they've got.  For most, that's going to mean scrounging up a headphone/microphone combo and maybe an external camera.  If there's not any in the warehouse then the next course of action is to suck up to the IT department to see if anyone has any in their personal stash that they would be willing to give you.

Just finished a command post exercise (think of a simulation war game, but nobody has to leave the building because it's all on computers). While everyone is doing their bit for the exercise, I'm cleaning the supply room and cracking open boxes that hadn't been touched in three years (these exercises usually means nobody is bothering me and I have time to kill).  Every other day somebody came to me looking for a headset, but alas I've been tapped out for weeks and they should have figured out what they needed a while ago.  My little cleanup exercise has me emptying file cabinets and desk drawers from vacant cubicles all over the building.  Under the rats nest of derelict cables in these people's offices what do I find? More headsets!

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« Reply #7882 on: September 01, 2020, 08:25:10 AM »
I forgot that the Food Bank doesn't count as an online purchase (probably because it is categorized as education). If I had known, I could have gotten an extra .25% back. Actually, if I had known, a different donation would have received this online bonus, so the losses, while not budget breaking, would have paid for our recent meal out.

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« Reply #7883 on: September 01, 2020, 11:16:29 AM »
In windows there are security settings that have to be set correctly to get the camera and microphone to work with zoom and other web apps.    You'll have to google it.

I worked as IT help desk support for a small biz for 18 years alongside many other job titles, so I don't really need the "google it" level of advice... but thanks anyway. I did try to set the settings correctly, but it didn't do what it was supposed to and I didn't have a lot of time to figure it out pre-meeting (and I haven't needed it since). I'll give it another shot at some point before actually spending money on something.

Knowing me, I probably unchecked the option to include a webcam when I ordered it to save $7... :-P  Who knew we'd all be spending our lives in video conferences in 2020.

Reminds me of all the DOD contractor laptops i've seen where they paid someone to take the camera out... I wonder if they had to pay someone to put some of them back in this year...

Nope. The commo team just gets a lot of grief for not having a stockpile of webcams on the shelf a week after Teams was authorized and half the building is ordered to telework.

Also, I'm trying to buy about $1 million worth of new laptops that have very specific traits. The product description states that there's no wireless three times in the same paragraph.

As a former nuclear power contract worker, I can sympathize.   
I once had to _beg_ our cell phone provider to ensure that NO CAMERA was installed in my phone. 
At the time, nuclear power plants were pretty paranoid about any cameras (special tag on camera, high-level permission etc).   
Same with our laptops, which we though was great, since we had them in our hotel rooms also.  No one wants the possibility of seeing a nuke worker in less than underwear. 
Underwear is a common thing at some nuke plants, especially non-US countries. -- this gives me the idea for a thread "What is the weirdest thing that you had to do at work." 

Turned up to 11, when our IT guy had to physically remove the wifi radio from my laptop to go to a Department of Energy reactor.
Why?  In the second sub-basement where we were set up, there was a "computer room" that we _might_ have picked up some signals from a computer from the EBCDIC (60's) era (my supposition).
No one examined the laptop on entry....

We visited a nuclear power plant that has been taken out of action and is now thorn down. Because of the regulations, you were not allowed to have your cell phone on. We got the visit as a courtesy as part of our company did some work there. Believe it or not, but one of our colleagues just had to text with her kids during the two hour visit. It is pretty embarrassing to see a 40+ persons told to not use their phone while in a security zone.

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« Reply #7884 on: September 01, 2020, 11:28:40 AM »
In windows there are security settings that have to be set correctly to get the camera and microphone to work with zoom and other web apps.    You'll have to google it.

I worked as IT help desk support for a small biz for 18 years alongside many other job titles, so I don't really need the "google it" level of advice... but thanks anyway. I did try to set the settings correctly, but it didn't do what it was supposed to and I didn't have a lot of time to figure it out pre-meeting (and I haven't needed it since). I'll give it another shot at some point before actually spending money on something.

Knowing me, I probably unchecked the option to include a webcam when I ordered it to save $7... :-P  Who knew we'd all be spending our lives in video conferences in 2020.

Reminds me of all the DOD contractor laptops i've seen where they paid someone to take the camera out... I wonder if they had to pay someone to put some of them back in this year...

Nope. The commo team just gets a lot of grief for not having a stockpile of webcams on the shelf a week after Teams was authorized and half the building is ordered to telework.

Also, I'm trying to buy about $1 million worth of new laptops that have very specific traits. The product description states that there's no wireless three times in the same paragraph.

As a former nuclear power contract worker, I can sympathize.   
I once had to _beg_ our cell phone provider to ensure that NO CAMERA was installed in my phone. 
At the time, nuclear power plants were pretty paranoid about any cameras (special tag on camera, high-level permission etc).   
Same with our laptops, which we though was great, since we had them in our hotel rooms also.  No one wants the possibility of seeing a nuke worker in less than underwear. 
Underwear is a common thing at some nuke plants, especially non-US countries. -- this gives me the idea for a thread "What is the weirdest thing that you had to do at work." 

Turned up to 11, when our IT guy had to physically remove the wifi radio from my laptop to go to a Department of Energy reactor.
Why?  In the second sub-basement where we were set up, there was a "computer room" that we _might_ have picked up some signals from a computer from the EBCDIC (60's) era (my supposition).
No one examined the laptop on entry....

We visited a nuclear power plant that has been taken out of action and is now thorn down. Because of the regulations, you were not allowed to have your cell phone on. We got the visit as a courtesy as part of our company did some work there. Believe it or not, but one of our colleagues just had to text with her kids during the two hour visit. It is pretty embarrassing to see a 40+ persons told to not use their phone while in a security zone.

Even if the plant is down, until the regulatory authorities officially de-licence the facility, all the safety systems needed for operation must be available. 
In operating plants, the cell phone non-use areas are often painted on the floor around scram (shutdown) sensitive equipment. And good luck getting a signal out of a rebar-concrete building.

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« Reply #7885 on: September 01, 2020, 11:35:28 AM »
In windows there are security settings that have to be set correctly to get the camera and microphone to work with zoom and other web apps.    You'll have to google it.

I worked as IT help desk support for a small biz for 18 years alongside many other job titles, so I don't really need the "google it" level of advice... but thanks anyway. I did try to set the settings correctly, but it didn't do what it was supposed to and I didn't have a lot of time to figure it out pre-meeting (and I haven't needed it since). I'll give it another shot at some point before actually spending money on something.

Knowing me, I probably unchecked the option to include a webcam when I ordered it to save $7... :-P  Who knew we'd all be spending our lives in video conferences in 2020.

Reminds me of all the DOD contractor laptops i've seen where they paid someone to take the camera out... I wonder if they had to pay someone to put some of them back in this year...

Nope. The commo team just gets a lot of grief for not having a stockpile of webcams on the shelf a week after Teams was authorized and half the building is ordered to telework.

Also, I'm trying to buy about $1 million worth of new laptops that have very specific traits. The product description states that there's no wireless three times in the same paragraph.

As a former nuclear power contract worker, I can sympathize.   
I once had to _beg_ our cell phone provider to ensure that NO CAMERA was installed in my phone. 
At the time, nuclear power plants were pretty paranoid about any cameras (special tag on camera, high-level permission etc).   
Same with our laptops, which we though was great, since we had them in our hotel rooms also.  No one wants the possibility of seeing a nuke worker in less than underwear. 
Underwear is a common thing at some nuke plants, especially non-US countries. -- this gives me the idea for a thread "What is the weirdest thing that you had to do at work." 

Turned up to 11, when our IT guy had to physically remove the wifi radio from my laptop to go to a Department of Energy reactor.
Why?  In the second sub-basement where we were set up, there was a "computer room" that we _might_ have picked up some signals from a computer from the EBCDIC (60's) era (my supposition).
No one examined the laptop on entry....

We visited a nuclear power plant that has been taken out of action and is now thorn down. Because of the regulations, you were not allowed to have your cell phone on. We got the visit as a courtesy as part of our company did some work there. Believe it or not, but one of our colleagues just had to text with her kids during the two hour visit. It is pretty embarrassing to see a 40+ persons told to not use their phone while in a security zone.

Even if the plant is down, until the regulatory authorities officially de-licence the facility, all the safety systems needed for operation must be available. 
In operating plants, the cell phone non-use areas are often painted on the floor around scram (shutdown) sensitive equipment. And good luck getting a signal out of a rebar-concrete building.

I know. It was clearly stated in several places that you were not allowed to use phones! I think she got a signal because I saw here using it.

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« Reply #7886 on: September 01, 2020, 11:46:17 AM »


I know. It was clearly stated in several places that you were not allowed to use phones! I think she got a signal because I saw here using it.

I am picturing someone furiously texting the kids, cursing them out for not responding....

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« Reply #7887 on: September 01, 2020, 11:59:34 AM »


I know. It was clearly stated in several places that you were not allowed to use phones! I think she got a signal because I saw here using it.

I am picturing someone furiously texting the kids, cursing them out for not responding....
So am I.. :-)
Did I mention that nuke plants are in the middle of F...ing nowhere? Even in Europe.
I once was trying to make a plane reservation, no cell service inside the office building, outside landlines restricted use. 
So I went outside in 25°F (-4°C) breezy weather, got almost to the completion of the reservation, and lost signal.
Tried again, nearly same issue.  A coworker came out and said, "you're blue, get inside and warm up".  My hands were starting to lose coordination.
Meanwhile, another of my colleagues is out smoking in that weather in a t-shirt and was apparently totally comfortable.

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« Reply #7888 on: September 01, 2020, 12:03:47 PM »
Reminds me of all the DOD contractor laptops i've seen where they paid someone to take the camera out... I wonder if they had to pay someone to put some of them back in this year...

No, they won't do that.   No way.   Those computers, wherever they were and however they were being used, weren't supposed to have cameras and that wouldn't change.

Instead, they would buy new computers and place them someplace that didn't have to be as secured.

No, they would ask for bids on supplying X number of new computers.  Three to six months later, those computers will arrive.  In the meantime the employees will be expected to make do with what they've got.  For most, that's going to mean scrounging up a headphone/microphone combo and maybe an external camera.  If there's not any in the warehouse then the next course of action is to suck up to the IT department to see if anyone has any in their personal stash that they would be willing to give you.

Just finished a command post exercise (think of a simulation war game, but nobody has to leave the building because it's all on computers). While everyone is doing their bit for the exercise, I'm cleaning the supply room and cracking open boxes that hadn't been touched in three years (these exercises usually means nobody is bothering me and I have time to kill).  Every other day somebody came to me looking for a headset, but alas I've been tapped out for weeks and they should have figured out what they needed a while ago.  My little cleanup exercise has me emptying file cabinets and desk drawers from vacant cubicles all over the building.  Under the rats nest of derelict cables in these people's offices what do I find? More headsets!

We found a whole stash of extra headphones too.  Except they had dual jacks (one for the headphone and one for the microphone).  Every machine we have since the last required upgrade has a single combo jack (where the headphone and microphone run through the same 3mm jack).  If there were ever a time when someone needed Radio Shack.  We ended up ordering enough adapters from somewhere to make these work.  I'm not sure it was any cheaper than just ordering new headphones, but at least we didn't just throw them all out.

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« Reply #7889 on: September 01, 2020, 12:48:45 PM »


I know. It was clearly stated in several places that you were not allowed to use phones! I think she got a signal because I saw here using it.

I am picturing someone furiously texting the kids, cursing them out for not responding....
So am I.. :-)
Did I mention that nuke plants are in the middle of F...ing nowhere? Even in Europe.
I once was trying to make a plane reservation, no cell service inside the office building, outside landlines restricted use. 
So I went outside in 25°F (-4°C) breezy weather, got almost to the completion of the reservation, and lost signal.
Tried again, nearly same issue.  A coworker came out and said, "you're blue, get inside and warm up".  My hands were starting to lose coordination.
Meanwhile, once of my smoking colleagues is in a t-shirt and was apparently totally comfortable.

Ah the joys of trying to get signal in remote locations. :) Maybe if I climb that tree over there I'll have enough signal to book my flight.

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« Reply #7890 on: September 01, 2020, 10:51:56 PM »
Reminds me of all the DOD contractor laptops i've seen where they paid someone to take the camera out... I wonder if they had to pay someone to put some of them back in this year...

No, they won't do that.   No way.   Those computers, wherever they were and however they were being used, weren't supposed to have cameras and that wouldn't change.

Instead, they would buy new computers and place them someplace that didn't have to be as secured.

No, they would ask for bids on supplying X number of new computers.  Three to six months later, those computers will arrive.  In the meantime the employees will be expected to make do with what they've got.  For most, that's going to mean scrounging up a headphone/microphone combo and maybe an external camera.  If there's not any in the warehouse then the next course of action is to suck up to the IT department to see if anyone has any in their personal stash that they would be willing to give you.

Just finished a command post exercise (think of a simulation war game, but nobody has to leave the building because it's all on computers). While everyone is doing their bit for the exercise, I'm cleaning the supply room and cracking open boxes that hadn't been touched in three years (these exercises usually means nobody is bothering me and I have time to kill).  Every other day somebody came to me looking for a headset, but alas I've been tapped out for weeks and they should have figured out what they needed a while ago.  My little cleanup exercise has me emptying file cabinets and desk drawers from vacant cubicles all over the building.  Under the rats nest of derelict cables in these people's offices what do I find? More headsets!

We found a whole stash of extra headphones too.  Except they had dual jacks (one for the headphone and one for the microphone).  Every machine we have since the last required upgrade has a single combo jack (where the headphone and microphone run through the same 3mm jack).  If there were ever a time when someone needed Radio Shack.  We ended up ordering enough adapters from somewhere to make these work.  I'm not sure it was any cheaper than just ordering new headphones, but at least we didn't just throw them all out.

Same situation here, except no adapters in sight. It's USB or nothing now.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #7891 on: September 02, 2020, 10:45:48 AM »


I know. It was clearly stated in several places that you were not allowed to use phones! I think she got a signal because I saw here using it.

I am picturing someone furiously texting the kids, cursing them out for not responding....
So am I.. :-)
Did I mention that nuke plants are in the middle of F...ing nowhere? Even in Europe.
I once was trying to make a plane reservation, no cell service inside the office building, outside landlines restricted use. 
So I went outside in 25°F (-4°C) breezy weather, got almost to the completion of the reservation, and lost signal.
Tried again, nearly same issue.  A coworker came out and said, "you're blue, get inside and warm up".  My hands were starting to lose coordination.
Meanwhile, once of my smoking colleagues is in a t-shirt and was apparently totally comfortable.

Ah the joys of trying to get signal in remote locations. :) Maybe if I climb that tree over there I'll have enough signal to book my flight.

In the mountains maybe, but I would say it is rare at least in Sweden to be without cellphone signal. My parents live in a little village in the middle of nowhere and there are three operators there. Two from Sweden and at least one from the neighbouring country., They have taken away the landline. There are more and more locations were the landline is replaced with cellphone. My father was annoyingly picking  berries in the forest and talking in the phone. When I was out of sight he called me to ask me were I was.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #7892 on: September 02, 2020, 12:31:46 PM »
My carriers claimed coverage in my state. They are a tad optimistic with their map... Other carriers are similar although there is one in particular with wider voice coverage but notably less data coverage. I don't mind the blank space though. No one is talking on the phone in my berry patch.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #7893 on: September 03, 2020, 05:10:32 PM »
I gave the guy behind the counter at Costco a pretty red, white and blue piece of paper and he handed me back a bunch of dull green papers. Does anyone remember what I can exchange dull green papers for?

The executive membership earned us a whopping  2 dollars and some odd cents above its premium over the past year. But hey, where else am I going to get 3% these days?

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #7894 on: September 03, 2020, 05:23:14 PM »
I gave the guy behind the counter at Costco a pretty red, white and blue piece of paper and he handed me back a bunch of dull green papers. Does anyone remember what I can exchange dull green papers for?

You can put them in a machine at the bank and they'll give you some numbers on a screen.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #7895 on: September 04, 2020, 07:41:30 AM »
I gave the guy behind the counter at Costco a pretty red, white and blue piece of paper and he handed me back a bunch of dull green papers. Does anyone remember what I can exchange dull green papers for?

The executive membership earned us a whopping  2 dollars and some odd cents above its premium over the past year. But hey, where else am I going to get 3% these days?
You just need to spend more at Costco, lol. I hope you straight-up cashed that rebate check. If you spend it on merch you don't get the rebate on the items you are buying. Cash the whole check, then follow Slicey's instructions..

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #7896 on: September 04, 2020, 07:53:51 AM »
I gave the guy behind the counter at Costco a pretty red, white and blue piece of paper and he handed me back a bunch of dull green papers. Does anyone remember what I can exchange dull green papers for?

You can put them in a machine at the bank and they'll give you some numbers on a screen.

Oh! Numbers on a screen are fun! They tend to change a lot!


You just need to spend more at Costco, lol. I hope you straight-up cashed that rebate check. If you spend it on merch you don't get the rebate on the items you are buying. Cash the whole check, then follow Slicey's instructions..

Our Costco won't let you pay for your merchandise with the red, white and blue paper. The cashiers give you a lecture about how you are missing out on all your rewards if you do that and send you to customer service. Rest assured, I use my BoA card which gives me 3.5% back at wholesale warehouses for the actual merchandise.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #7897 on: September 04, 2020, 08:13:57 AM »
Two MPP's today:

1)  Tax and employer-paid medical insurance dominate our expenses so much that everything else is crammed into less than half of Quicken's standard pie chart.

2)  Saw an article about "Super Savers" on CNBC.  Sent it to DW.  She said she we obviously don't qualify because save too much and that what they call "Super Savers" is what she always thought was "normal".  https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/07/super-savers-make-these-sacrifices-to-help-them-reach-their-goals.html?&qsearchterm=super%20saver
I love how that article lists "no housecleaner" as a "sacrifice" --as if every normal household hires someone to clean their house for them.

I eye-rolled at every "sacrifice" they listed except for high stress work.  Ridiculousness article

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #7898 on: September 04, 2020, 08:48:09 AM »
My MPP of the day... My employer went full time WFH so I no longer have commuting expenses. I figured I'd increase the direct deposit to my investment accounts by a similar amount - if I don't need to spend it, I might as well save it. Unfortunately, our payroll dept is more efficient than I thought and they wound up getting the change in for this pay period rather than the next so when the deposit hit I hadn't updated the auto-invest percentages yet and things got messed up. I'll have to keep an eye on the IRA to make sure I don't over-contribute. Oh, the huge manatee.

As a side note, I really don't like the way Vanguard handles direct deposits. It works but seems really kludgey.                                         

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #7899 on: September 04, 2020, 11:15:36 AM »
I gave the guy behind the counter at Costco a pretty red, white and blue piece of paper and he handed me back a bunch of dull green papers. Does anyone remember what I can exchange dull green papers for?

The executive membership earned us a whopping  2 dollars and some odd cents above its premium over the past year. But hey, where else am I going to get 3% these days?
You just need to spend more at Costco, lol. I hope you straight-up cashed that rebate check. If you spend it on merch you don't get the rebate on the items you are buying. Cash the whole check, then follow Slicey's instructions..

Typically around here it's much faster to go through one of the checkout lines with a single, low-cost item - pay with the rebate check, get the rest back as change.