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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #6950 on: November 21, 2019, 10:29:43 AM »
The MPP on my mind right now is that I saved up tons of money to RE, including a $12,000 annual travel budget, and a year and a half out from REing, I...am not so enthusiastic about making travel plans for next year. 

A big contributor is the truly horrible, godawful, horrifying experiences I had flying this year.  But even planning road trips or other non-airplane travel is not catching my imagination right now.  A few years ago, I was planning constant trips and didn't mind going solo most of the time - Svalbard/the Arctic Circle, Sri Lanka, a month hiking in Patagonia, trekking the Annapurna Circuit in Nepal and hiking in the Romanian Alps (both with a trekking group).  Now, it's just not ringing my bell.  I think I'll just stay home most of 2020, maybe do some local backpacking trips, and hope my wanderlust returns in future years.

I'm monstrously jealous that you have to make these decisions.

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« Reply #6951 on: November 21, 2019, 10:59:57 AM »
The MPP on my mind right now is that I saved up tons of money to RE, including a $12,000 annual travel budget, and a year and a half out from REing, I...am not so enthusiastic about making travel plans for next year. 

A big contributor is the truly horrible, godawful, horrifying experiences I had flying this year.  But even planning road trips or other non-airplane travel is not catching my imagination right now.  A few years ago, I was planning constant trips and didn't mind going solo most of the time - Svalbard/the Arctic Circle, Sri Lanka, a month hiking in Patagonia, trekking the Annapurna Circuit in Nepal and hiking in the Romanian Alps (both with a trekking group).  Now, it's just not ringing my bell.  I think I'll just stay home most of 2020, maybe do some local backpacking trips, and hope my wanderlust returns in future years.

My condolences sui generis. Fear of loosing my wanderlust with age was one of the reasons I "retired" the first time before I reached FI. I traveled to several of the places on your list during that year. If you decide you'd like to see the other side of the Arctic Circle, I live in Alaska and like meeting Mustachians who wander up here.

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« Reply #6952 on: November 21, 2019, 11:35:00 AM »
...If you've never encountered weaponized gift giving in the wild, good for you, but please don't forget some of us deal with people who turn holiday gift giving into a dread filled morass of unwanted obligations. Suggesting alternate gifts to these givers just feeds into their twisted enjoyment of giving unwanted items.

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Excellent post.  There was never a gift from Old Mrs Fredbear that didn't require decoding.  "What did she mean by sending the parka with the sleeve sewed shut?"  That decoding was exactly what she wanted: some neurotic triangulated involvement with her family, where "family" was understood to span all living generations, that she could play off against one another.  I got sick of it.

We all probably continue more family dysfunction than we want or even know, but you get to make some decisions that extricate you from neurotic family involvement and the one I made for my generation of fredbears is that

1) everyone provides a gift list comprising links to Amazon or other online items they actually want,
2) the list has to span 2 orders of cost, ie, there have to be items in the $10s for the family members still in school, up to $1000s for the rich ones, and
3) backchannel, you have to tell the others what you got for X, to avoid duplication.

This has, as I experience it, 2 advantages.  1) It is nearly impossible to buy competently for an expert hobbyist.  No way you can hit on the right fly pattern, or feather type, or quilt pattern download, or latin text; this lets your gift be usable.  2) It brings you a step closer to confronting family neuroses directly rather than by proxy.

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« Reply #6953 on: November 21, 2019, 01:23:25 PM »
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If you've never encountered weaponized gift giving in the wild, good for you, but please don't forget some of us deal with people who turn holiday gift giving into a dread filled morass of unwanted obligations. Suggesting alternate gifts to these givers just feeds into their twisted enjoyment of giving unwanted items.
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There was a Captain Awkward post about this very thing today, and it had a very entertaining divergence into Emily Post.

https://captainawkward.com/2019/11/20/1237-what-to-do-about-deliberately-bad-gifts-a-post-about-letting-go-of-some-etiquette-rules-when-they-no-longer-serve/

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« Reply #6954 on: November 22, 2019, 09:36:01 AM »
This year I made the call to sell some investments to pay off the mortgage.  This was the right call for our family and I don't need to re-hash the debate of whether this is a good move or a bad move.

MP: I'll probably owe a small amount (net) in taxes this year due to capital gains.  Since I categorize any tax refunds as "other income" (since it's usually a refund), my financial tracking spreadsheets will have an annoying row of negative income for all of 2020.

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« Reply #6955 on: November 22, 2019, 10:18:02 AM »
This year I made the call to sell some investments to pay off the mortgage.  This was the right call for our family and I don't need to re-hash the debate of whether this is a good move or a bad move.

MP: I'll probably owe a small amount (net) in taxes this year due to capital gains.  Since I categorize any tax refunds as "other income" (since it's usually a refund), my financial tracking spreadsheets will have an annoying row of negative income for all of 2020.

It's a bad move, but whatever. You're categorizing your tax refunds wrong. A tax refund should be decreasing your tax expense for the year. Then if you owe money when you file taxes it just increases your tax expense category. At no time should adjustments to how much you pay in tax be categorized as income, that's just weird.

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« Reply #6956 on: November 22, 2019, 12:39:19 PM »
This year I made the call to sell some investments to pay off the mortgage.  This was the right call for our family and I don't need to re-hash the debate of whether this is a good move or a bad move.

MP: I'll probably owe a small amount (net) in taxes this year due to capital gains.  Since I categorize any tax refunds as "other income" (since it's usually a refund), my financial tracking spreadsheets will have an annoying row of negative income for all of 2020.

It's a bad move, but whatever. You're categorizing your tax refunds wrong. A tax refund should be decreasing your tax expense for the year. Then if you owe money when you file taxes it just increases your tax expense category. At no time should adjustments to how much you pay in tax be categorized as income, that's just weird.

I don't break out gross pay / payroll taxes / income taxes as separate expenses.  I tried that, and taxes ended up being 70%+ of my expenses, so it made it harder to track all my other expenses.  I just book my net paycheck as income.

I view tax refunds or expense as an adjustment to my net pay, hence the income categorization.

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« Reply #6957 on: November 22, 2019, 01:43:30 PM »
This year I made the call to sell some investments to pay off the mortgage.  This was the right call for our family and I don't need to re-hash the debate of whether this is a good move or a bad move.

MP: I'll probably owe a small amount (net) in taxes this year due to capital gains.  Since I categorize any tax refunds as "other income" (since it's usually a refund), my financial tracking spreadsheets will have an annoying row of negative income for all of 2020.

It's a bad move, but whatever. You're categorizing your tax refunds wrong. A tax refund should be decreasing your tax expense for the year. Then if you owe money when you file taxes it just increases your tax expense category. At no time should adjustments to how much you pay in tax be categorized as income, that's just weird.

I don't break out gross pay / payroll taxes / income taxes as separate expenses.  I tried that, and taxes ended up being 70%+ of my expenses, so it made it harder to track all my other expenses.  I just book my net paycheck as income.

I view tax refunds or expense as an adjustment to my net pay, hence the income categorization.
Yep.  I find it seriously weird that anyone wouldn't do it that way with direct taxes.

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« Reply #6958 on: November 22, 2019, 02:30:55 PM »
This year I made the call to sell some investments to pay off the mortgage.  This was the right call for our family and I don't need to re-hash the debate of whether this is a good move or a bad move.

MP: I'll probably owe a small amount (net) in taxes this year due to capital gains.  Since I categorize any tax refunds as "other income" (since it's usually a refund), my financial tracking spreadsheets will have an annoying row of negative income for all of 2020.

It's a bad move, but whatever. You're categorizing your tax refunds wrong. A tax refund should be decreasing your tax expense for the year. Then if you owe money when you file taxes it just increases your tax expense category. At no time should adjustments to how much you pay in tax be categorized as income, that's just weird.

I don't break out gross pay / payroll taxes / income taxes as separate expenses.  I tried that, and taxes ended up being 70%+ of my expenses, so it made it harder to track all my other expenses.  I just book my net paycheck as income.

I view tax refunds or expense as an adjustment to my net pay, hence the income categorization.
Yep.  I find it seriously weird that anyone wouldn't do it that way with direct taxes.
I tend to prioritize correctness in my accounting. So I split my paycheck into net pay, federal tax, medicare tax, social security tax, state tax, 401k contribution, HSA contribution, and health insurance. This way my gross income is correct and everything will match my W2. When generating reports on my expenses it is easy to exclude income taxes if I want because they are all under the same subcategory so it doesn't cause any problems that they make up 41% of my total expenses.

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« Reply #6959 on: November 22, 2019, 03:35:06 PM »
This year I made the call to sell some investments to pay off the mortgage.  This was the right call for our family and I don't need to re-hash the debate of whether this is a good move or a bad move.

MP: I'll probably owe a small amount (net) in taxes this year due to capital gains.  Since I categorize any tax refunds as "other income" (since it's usually a refund), my financial tracking spreadsheets will have an annoying row of negative income for all of 2020.

It's a bad move, but whatever. You're categorizing your tax refunds wrong. A tax refund should be decreasing your tax expense for the year. Then if you owe money when you file taxes it just increases your tax expense category. At no time should adjustments to how much you pay in tax be categorized as income, that's just weird.

I don't break out gross pay / payroll taxes / income taxes as separate expenses.  I tried that, and taxes ended up being 70%+ of my expenses, so it made it harder to track all my other expenses.  I just book my net paycheck as income.

I view tax refunds or expense as an adjustment to my net pay, hence the income categorization.
Yep.  I find it seriously weird that anyone wouldn't do it that way with direct taxes.

Yeah thatís what I do too.  Itís just not important to me what my ďtax expenseĒ is independent of income, since itís always tied to income.  I count the property taxes as housing expenses.

RWD, do you also track sales tax separate from purchases? That would be extremely correct

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« Reply #6960 on: November 22, 2019, 04:57:16 PM »
RWD, do you also track sales tax separate from purchases? That would be extremely correct

Yes, I do.

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« Reply #6961 on: November 22, 2019, 07:14:29 PM »
RWD, do you also track sales tax separate from purchases? That would be extremely correct

Yes, I do.

I think you probably arenít getting a good return on your time there, but at least you are consistent

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« Reply #6962 on: November 22, 2019, 08:14:24 PM »
RWD, do you also track sales tax separate from purchases? That would be extremely correct

Yes, I do.

I think you probably arenít getting a good return on your time there, but at least you are consistent

Yeah, although it is neat to see the breakdown I've never deducted sales tax on my tax return so it doesn't have much practical use. I've been doing it for nearly eight years now so it's kinda second nature. Fortunately GnuCash auto-populates your splits using the last transaction with the same description so for my paychecks there is almost no continued effort to do the detailed splits and for things like sales tax on grocery shopping it's just a matter of changing the values.

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« Reply #6963 on: November 24, 2019, 05:28:04 AM »
3.  When it is Christmas and your kids can't think of anything to add to their Christmas lists, but you really want to give them a present, so you have to be creative and give them an experience.  Very stressful.

4.  When everyone at work goes to Disney every year and feels bad for you because you didn't go and then talks about all of their debt payments.  Meanwhile you cash flowed a wonderful vacation that cost significantly less and your kids can't stop talking about how much they enjoyed it.


Spouse and I both have time off between Christmas and New Year's every year. Combined with our son's school break, this equates to a great time to take an off season vacation to see family. We plan to see 4 national parks & his cousins between Dec 26 & January 4th. This is my bucket list vacation, not Disney.

Many people have been asking 4 year old son what he wants for Christmas. His answer: a Christmas tree & Christmas cookies, and seeing his cousins. They keep asking him, "no but what things do you want?" After a long pause, he responds with "I want to buy more books at the library." Such simple wishes.

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« Reply #6964 on: November 24, 2019, 06:28:04 AM »
3.  When it is Christmas and your kids can't think of anything to add to their Christmas lists, but you really want to give them a present, so you have to be creative and give them an experience.  Very stressful.

4.  When everyone at work goes to Disney every year and feels bad for you because you didn't go and then talks about all of their debt payments.  Meanwhile you cash flowed a wonderful vacation that cost significantly less and your kids can't stop talking about how much they enjoyed it.




Spouse and I both have time off between Christmas and New Year's every year. Combined with our son's school break, this equates to a great time to take an off season vacation to see family. We plan to see 4 national parks & his cousins between Dec 26 & January 4th. This is my bucket list vacation, not Disney.

Many people have been asking 4 year old son what he wants for Christmas. His answer: a Christmas tree & Christmas cookies, and seeing his cousins. They keep asking him, "no but what things do you want?" After a long pause, he responds with "I want to buy more books at the library." Such simple wishes.


We often go for a short getaway or give the kids tickets to things like snow tubing parks or shows.  They seem to enjoy that a lot more than stuff, but trying to come up with something every year stresses me out!  That is super cute about the tree and cookies. 

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« Reply #6965 on: November 24, 2019, 07:32:16 AM »
3.  When it is Christmas and your kids can't think of anything to add to their Christmas lists, but you really want to give them a present, so you have to be creative and give them an experience.  Very stressful.

4.  When everyone at work goes to Disney every year and feels bad for you because you didn't go and then talks about all of their debt payments.  Meanwhile you cash flowed a wonderful vacation that cost significantly less and your kids can't stop talking about how much they enjoyed it.




Spouse and I both have time off between Christmas and New Year's every year. Combined with our son's school break, this equates to a great time to take an off season vacation to see family. We plan to see 4 national parks & his cousins between Dec 26 & January 4th. This is my bucket list vacation, not Disney.

Many people have been asking 4 year old son what he wants for Christmas. His answer: a Christmas tree & Christmas cookies, and seeing his cousins. They keep asking him, "no but what things do you want?" After a long pause, he responds with "I want to buy more books at the library." Such simple wishes.


We often go for a short getaway or give the kids tickets to things like snow tubing parks or shows.  They seem to enjoy that a lot more than stuff, but trying to come up with something every year stresses me out!  That is super cute about the tree and cookies.

I love 4 year olds!!! When asked what he wanted for his birthday, mine replied "we can eat birthday cake and someone will take my picture"

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« Reply #6966 on: November 24, 2019, 02:35:28 PM »
3.  When it is Christmas and your kids can't think of anything to add to their Christmas lists, but you really want to give them a present, so you have to be creative and give them an experience.  Very stressful.

4.  When everyone at work goes to Disney every year and feels bad for you because you didn't go and then talks about all of their debt payments.  Meanwhile you cash flowed a wonderful vacation that cost significantly less and your kids can't stop talking about how much they enjoyed it.




Spouse and I both have time off between Christmas and New Year's every year. Combined with our son's school break, this equates to a great time to take an off season vacation to see family. We plan to see 4 national parks & his cousins between Dec 26 & January 4th. This is my bucket list vacation, not Disney.

Many people have been asking 4 year old son what he wants for Christmas. His answer: a Christmas tree & Christmas cookies, and seeing his cousins. They keep asking him, "no but what things do you want?" After a long pause, he responds with "I want to buy more books at the library." Such simple wishes.


We often go for a short getaway or give the kids tickets to things like snow tubing parks or shows.  They seem to enjoy that a lot more than stuff, but trying to come up with something every year stresses me out!  That is super cute about the tree and cookies.

I love 4 year olds!!! When asked what he wanted for his birthday, mine replied "we can eat birthday cake and someone will take my picture"

@ Aunt Petunia, sounds about right for a 4 year old 😊

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« Reply #6967 on: November 24, 2019, 05:42:42 PM »
3.  When it is Christmas and your kids can't think of anything to add to their Christmas lists, but you really want to give them a present, so you have to be creative and give them an experience.  Very stressful.

4.  When everyone at work goes to Disney every year and feels bad for you because you didn't go and then talks about all of their debt payments.  Meanwhile you cash flowed a wonderful vacation that cost significantly less and your kids can't stop talking about how much they enjoyed it.




Spouse and I both have time off between Christmas and New Year's every year. Combined with our son's school break, this equates to a great time to take an off season vacation to see family. We plan to see 4 national parks & his cousins between Dec 26 & January 4th. This is my bucket list vacation, not Disney.

Many people have been asking 4 year old son what he wants for Christmas. His answer: a Christmas tree & Christmas cookies, and seeing his cousins. They keep asking him, "no but what things do you want?" After a long pause, he responds with "I want to buy more books at the library." Such simple wishes.


We often go for a short getaway or give the kids tickets to things like snow tubing parks or shows.  They seem to enjoy that a lot more than stuff, but trying to come up with something every year stresses me out!  That is super cute about the tree and cookies.

I love 4 year olds!!! When asked what he wanted for his birthday, mine replied "we can eat birthday cake and someone will take my picture"

@ Aunt Petunia, sounds about right for a 4 year old 😊

I asked him about Christmas earlier and he wants a pencil and an orange and a sock.

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« Reply #6968 on: November 24, 2019, 11:11:00 PM »
3.  When it is Christmas and your kids can't think of anything to add to their Christmas lists, but you really want to give them a present, so you have to be creative and give them an experience.  Very stressful.

4.  When everyone at work goes to Disney every year and feels bad for you because you didn't go and then talks about all of their debt payments.  Meanwhile you cash flowed a wonderful vacation that cost significantly less and your kids can't stop talking about how much they enjoyed it.




Spouse and I both have time off between Christmas and New Year's every year. Combined with our son's school break, this equates to a great time to take an off season vacation to see family. We plan to see 4 national parks & his cousins between Dec 26 & January 4th. This is my bucket list vacation, not Disney.

Many people have been asking 4 year old son what he wants for Christmas. His answer: a Christmas tree & Christmas cookies, and seeing his cousins. They keep asking him, "no but what things do you want?" After a long pause, he responds with "I want to buy more books at the library." Such simple wishes.


We often go for a short getaway or give the kids tickets to things like snow tubing parks or shows.  They seem to enjoy that a lot more than stuff, but trying to come up with something every year stresses me out!  That is super cute about the tree and cookies.

I love 4 year olds!!! When asked what he wanted for his birthday, mine replied "we can eat birthday cake and someone will take my picture"

@ Aunt Petunia, sounds about right for a 4 year old 😊

I asked him about Christmas earlier and he wants a pencil and an orange and a sock.

Just one sock?

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« Reply #6969 on: November 24, 2019, 11:35:13 PM »
3.  When it is Christmas and your kids can't think of anything to add to their Christmas lists, but you really want to give them a present, so you have to be creative and give them an experience.  Very stressful.

4.  When everyone at work goes to Disney every year and feels bad for you because you didn't go and then talks about all of their debt payments.  Meanwhile you cash flowed a wonderful vacation that cost significantly less and your kids can't stop talking about how much they enjoyed it.




Spouse and I both have time off between Christmas and New Year's every year. Combined with our son's school break, this equates to a great time to take an off season vacation to see family. We plan to see 4 national parks & his cousins between Dec 26 & January 4th. This is my bucket list vacation, not Disney.

Many people have been asking 4 year old son what he wants for Christmas. His answer: a Christmas tree & Christmas cookies, and seeing his cousins. They keep asking him, "no but what things do you want?" After a long pause, he responds with "I want to buy more books at the library." Such simple wishes.


We often go for a short getaway or give the kids tickets to things like snow tubing parks or shows.  They seem to enjoy that a lot more than stuff, but trying to come up with something every year stresses me out!  That is super cute about the tree and cookies.

I love 4 year olds!!! When asked what he wanted for his birthday, mine replied "we can eat birthday cake and someone will take my picture"

@ Aunt Petunia, sounds about right for a 4 year old 😊

I asked him about Christmas earlier and he wants a pencil and an orange and a sock.

Just one sock?
Of course. It's to hold the orange and the pencil.

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« Reply #6971 on: November 25, 2019, 04:11:09 PM »
Quote from: frugalnacho link=topic=20725.msg2501305#msg2501305
Yea I get that, but I would prefer she just do something nice.  If you really insist on spending money just buy a nice piece of meat (like a rib roast) and cook us dinner.  We would really enjoy that and would also get to spend some time together enjoying a nice meal that we don't normally get to eat.  Win-win.  What I don't need is special wine glasses when I don't drink wine.  Or charms to put on said wine glasses.  Or some piece of cheap jewelry that I will never wear because I hate jewelry.  I know she enjoys giving me something, but the vast majority of things I get from her are complete junk that I don't need. I would prefer she spends it taking us out, or cooking us dinner, or just taking care of themselves financially so that I don't have to.

I think the reason she is giving you this stuff is because she doesn't know what else to give. Give her a list and you'll probably find the quality of her gifts improving.

Just seeing frugalnacho's post... I can think of other reasons why people give gifts that other people don't like.  I have a relative who gives gifts that she bought for herself but then decided she didn't like; or because she enjoys the experience of shopping in certain stores; or enjoys the experience of getting a bargain.  It's frustrating when the gift is more about the giver than the giftee.

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« Reply #6972 on: November 25, 2019, 11:07:10 PM »
Quote from: frugalnacho link=topic=20725.msg2501305#msg2501305
Yea I get that, but I would prefer she just do something nice.  If you really insist on spending money just buy a nice piece of meat (like a rib roast) and cook us dinner.  We would really enjoy that and would also get to spend some time together enjoying a nice meal that we don't normally get to eat.  Win-win.  What I don't need is special wine glasses when I don't drink wine.  Or charms to put on said wine glasses.  Or some piece of cheap jewelry that I will never wear because I hate jewelry.  I know she enjoys giving me something, but the vast majority of things I get from her are complete junk that I don't need. I would prefer she spends it taking us out, or cooking us dinner, or just taking care of themselves financially so that I don't have to.

I think the reason she is giving you this stuff is because she doesn't know what else to give. Give her a list and you'll probably find the quality of her gifts improving.

Just seeing frugalnacho's post... I can think of other reasons why people give gifts that other people don't like.  I have a relative who gives gifts that she bought for herself but then decided she didn't like; or because she enjoys the experience of shopping in certain stores; or enjoys the experience of getting a bargain.  It's frustrating when the gift is more about the giver than the giftee.

Oh ugh this. I had an ex boyfriend who used to be like that. He'd give  me his favorite cookies (that he knew I didn't like much) as a present or would take me out for brunch to a restaurant he was excited about even though they served food that I didn't care about.

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« Reply #6973 on: November 25, 2019, 11:20:45 PM »
Quote from: frugalnacho link=topic=20725.msg2501305#msg2501305
Yea I get that, but I would prefer she just do something nice.  If you really insist on spending money just buy a nice piece of meat (like a rib roast) and cook us dinner.  We would really enjoy that and would also get to spend some time together enjoying a nice meal that we don't normally get to eat.  Win-win.  What I don't need is special wine glasses when I don't drink wine.  Or charms to put on said wine glasses.  Or some piece of cheap jewelry that I will never wear because I hate jewelry.  I know she enjoys giving me something, but the vast majority of things I get from her are complete junk that I don't need. I would prefer she spends it taking us out, or cooking us dinner, or just taking care of themselves financially so that I don't have to.

I think the reason she is giving you this stuff is because she doesn't know what else to give. Give her a list and you'll probably find the quality of her gifts improving.

Just seeing frugalnacho's post... I can think of other reasons why people give gifts that other people don't like.  I have a relative who gives gifts that she bought for herself but then decided she didn't like; or because she enjoys the experience of shopping in certain stores; or enjoys the experience of getting a bargain.  It's frustrating when the gift is more about the giver than the giftee.

Oh ugh this. I had an ex boyfriend who used to be like that. He'd give  me his favorite cookies (that he knew I didn't like much) as a present or would take me out for brunch to a restaurant he was excited about even though they served food that I didn't care about.

I think that's quite a juvenile way of thinking. A little friend who's 4, told his teacher that his dad was REALLY into dinosaurs and that dad's whole life was about dinosaurs, dad's job is dinosaurs, dad knows all the dinosaurs etc etc. The teacher asked dad about it, with the idea that a paleontologist might come and talk to the kids. So, no....., dad's a tradesman, and the 4 year old is just really obsessed by dinosaurs.

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« Reply #6974 on: November 26, 2019, 02:42:09 AM »
My dad is a dinosaur. 

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« Reply #6975 on: November 26, 2019, 04:37:24 AM »
Quote from: frugalnacho link=topic=20725.msg2501305#msg2501305
Yea I get that, but I would prefer she just do something nice.  If you really insist on spending money just buy a nice piece of meat (like a rib roast) and cook us dinner.  We would really enjoy that and would also get to spend some time together enjoying a nice meal that we don't normally get to eat.  Win-win.  What I don't need is special wine glasses when I don't drink wine.  Or charms to put on said wine glasses.  Or some piece of cheap jewelry that I will never wear because I hate jewelry.  I know she enjoys giving me something, but the vast majority of things I get from her are complete junk that I don't need. I would prefer she spends it taking us out, or cooking us dinner, or just taking care of themselves financially so that I don't have to.

I think the reason she is giving you this stuff is because she doesn't know what else to give. Give her a list and you'll probably find the quality of her gifts improving.

Just seeing frugalnacho's post... I can think of other reasons why people give gifts that other people don't like.  I have a relative who gives gifts that she bought for herself but then decided she didn't like; or because she enjoys the experience of shopping in certain stores; or enjoys the experience of getting a bargain.  It's frustrating when the gift is more about the giver than the giftee.

Oh ugh this. I had an ex boyfriend who used to be like that. He'd give  me his favorite cookies (that he knew I didn't like much) as a present or would take me out for brunch to a restaurant he was excited about even though they served food that I didn't care about.

Did you date my ex-husband?

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« Reply #6976 on: November 26, 2019, 04:49:44 AM »
Quote from: frugalnacho link=topic=20725.msg2501305#msg2501305
Yea I get that, but I would prefer she just do something nice.  If you really insist on spending money just buy a nice piece of meat (like a rib roast) and cook us dinner.  We would really enjoy that and would also get to spend some time together enjoying a nice meal that we don't normally get to eat.  Win-win.  What I don't need is special wine glasses when I don't drink wine.  Or charms to put on said wine glasses.  Or some piece of cheap jewelry that I will never wear because I hate jewelry.  I know she enjoys giving me something, but the vast majority of things I get from her are complete junk that I don't need. I would prefer she spends it taking us out, or cooking us dinner, or just taking care of themselves financially so that I don't have to.

I think the reason she is giving you this stuff is because she doesn't know what else to give. Give her a list and you'll probably find the quality of her gifts improving.

Just seeing frugalnacho's post... I can think of other reasons why people give gifts that other people don't like.  I have a relative who gives gifts that she bought for herself but then decided she didn't like; or because she enjoys the experience of shopping in certain stores; or enjoys the experience of getting a bargain.  It's frustrating when the gift is more about the giver than the giftee.

Oh ugh this. I had an ex boyfriend who used to be like that. He'd give  me his favorite cookies (that he knew I didn't like much) as a present or would take me out for brunch to a restaurant he was excited about even though they served food that I didn't care about.

Did you date my ex-husband?

Or my dad... Who once gave my mum a toastie maker for her birthday while she was the only member of the family who doesn't like toasties. He didn't even get why she was annoyed - the old one broke down so the family needed a new one right? She should have given him a new iron for his birthday...

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« Reply #6977 on: November 26, 2019, 04:51:58 AM »
3.  When it is Christmas and your kids can't think of anything to add to their Christmas lists, but you really want to give them a present, so you have to be creative and give them an experience.  Very stressful.

4.  When everyone at work goes to Disney every year and feels bad for you because you didn't go and then talks about all of their debt payments.  Meanwhile you cash flowed a wonderful vacation that cost significantly less and your kids can't stop talking about how much they enjoyed it.


Spouse and I both have time off between Christmas and New Year's every year. Combined with our son's school break, this equates to a great time to take an off season vacation to see family. We plan to see 4 national parks & his cousins between Dec 26 & January 4th. This is my bucket list vacation, not Disney.

Many people have been asking 4 year old son what he wants for Christmas. His answer: a Christmas tree & Christmas cookies, and seeing his cousins. They keep asking him, "no but what things do you want?" After a long pause, he responds with "I want to buy more books at the library." Such simple wishes.

We are traveling at xmas this year.  Not doing Disney (now or ever if I can help it), but NYC is probably a close second when it comes to xmas touristy shit.  It just kind of works out that we can take our big trips about every 18 months so xmas break is a nice time to do it. 

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« Reply #6978 on: November 26, 2019, 06:54:10 AM »
My most recent MPP:

We work overseas and DHís salary is paid in the local currency. Every once in a while we transfer the funds (whatever we donít spend) via a money exchange service back to our home country. We try not to transfer too often because one of my family members needs to travel to the exchange office in my home country to collect the funds, which is a hassle.

My MPP is that we save so much that the transfers are quite frequent, and now my sister is annoyed with me because she has to drive to the exchange office so often. Mustachianism is ruining my relationship with my siblings.

ETA: Itís ok though. Iíve promised to buy her a condo once she graduates.
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« Reply #6979 on: November 26, 2019, 07:04:50 AM »
My most recent MPP:

We work overseas and DHís salary is paid in the local currency. Every once in a while we transfer the funds (whatever we donít spend) via a money exchange service back to our home country. We try not to transfer too often because one of my family members needs to travel to the exchange office in my home country to collect the funds, which is a hassle.

My MPP is that we save so much that the transfers are quite frequent, and now my sister is annoyed with me because she has to drive to the exchange office so often. Mustachianism is ruining my relationship with my siblings.

ETA: Itís ok though. Iíve promised to buy her a condo once she graduates.

Just transfer larger amounts less frequently. Or figure out a different method of transferring that doesn't require someone to go to the exhange office.

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« Reply #6980 on: November 26, 2019, 07:20:31 AM »
My most recent MPP:

We work overseas and DHís salary is paid in the local currency. Every once in a while we transfer the funds (whatever we donít spend) via a money exchange service back to our home country. We try not to transfer too often because one of my family members needs to travel to the exchange office in my home country to collect the funds, which is a hassle.

My MPP is that we save so much that the transfers are quite frequent, and now my sister is annoyed with me because she has to drive to the exchange office so often. Mustachianism is ruining my relationship with my siblings.

ETA: Itís ok though. Iíve promised to buy her a condo once she graduates.

Just transfer larger amounts less frequently. Or figure out a different method of transferring that doesn't require someone to go to the exhange office.

I donít like keeping large amounts of cash in a country that reserves the right to confiscate my accounts at any time. And the method that doesnít require the exchange office involves a three-hour visit to the local bank with eight million pieces of documentation that may or may not be accepted depending on the bank officer that day and interviews in a language that I donít speak well. And because many branches donít do these types of transfers, thereís no guarantee that the funds will actually arrive in my home country account. Trust me, having my sister drive 20 minutes once a month is the path of least resistance.

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« Reply #6981 on: November 26, 2019, 08:28:50 AM »
My most recent MPP:

We work overseas and DHís salary is paid in the local currency. Every once in a while we transfer the funds (whatever we donít spend) via a money exchange service back to our home country. We try not to transfer too often because one of my family members needs to travel to the exchange office in my home country to collect the funds, which is a hassle.

My MPP is that we save so much that the transfers are quite frequent, and now my sister is annoyed with me because she has to drive to the exchange office so often. Mustachianism is ruining my relationship with my siblings.

ETA: Itís ok though. Iíve promised to buy her a condo once she graduates.

Just transfer larger amounts less frequently. Or figure out a different method of transferring that doesn't require someone to go to the exhange office.

I donít like keeping large amounts of cash in a country that reserves the right to confiscate my accounts at any time. And the method that doesnít require the exchange office involves a three-hour visit to the local bank with eight million pieces of documentation that may or may not be accepted depending on the bank officer that day and interviews in a language that I donít speak well. And because many branches donít do these types of transfers, thereís no guarantee that the funds will actually arrive in my home country account. Trust me, having my sister drive 20 minutes once a month is the path of least resistance.

Ok, that's fair. Then perhaps you need to start paying your sister. She is potentially saving you a lot of money after all.

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« Reply #6982 on: November 26, 2019, 01:05:27 PM »
Gift Giving discussion - What many people replying to frugalnacho in this thread are forgetting, or may be lucky enough to have never experienced, is: some people out there weaponize gift giving. 

item you don't need? - coded message - you are expected to change your diet, outfit, life style to better conform to the gift giver's expectations of how you will perform your life for them.

item you don't want? - sabotage - stop doing the thing that makes you happy/healthy and do this thing we think you should do instead

item after you've clearly stated no more items please? - power play - the giver decides their feelings are more important than the recipients feelings

expensive item? - entrapment - you must now thank the giver and feel beholden/smaller/weaker because they did so much for you even though you didn't want them to

If you've never encountered weaponized gift giving in the wild, good for you, but please don't forget some of us deal with people who turn holiday gift giving into a dread filled morass of unwanted obligations. Suggesting alternate gifts to these givers just feeds into their twisted enjoyment of giving unwanted items.

Good observation.

If you find yourself entangled with a person who uses gifts as weapons, your best bet is to close your embassy and suspend all negotiations until a cessation of hostilities can be agreed upon.

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« Reply #6983 on: November 26, 2019, 01:16:06 PM »
MPP: My spreadsheet has too many tabs.

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« Reply #6984 on: November 26, 2019, 01:25:07 PM »
MPP: My spreadsheet has too many tabs.

Budget Data Entry
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Taxes
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I end up making a new spreadsheet for everything instead of a new tab... Probably not the best organization system.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #6985 on: November 26, 2019, 01:30:07 PM »
My most recent MPP:

We work overseas and DHís salary is paid in the local currency. Every once in a while we transfer the funds (whatever we donít spend) via a money exchange service back to our home country. We try not to transfer too often because one of my family members needs to travel to the exchange office in my home country to collect the funds, which is a hassle.

My MPP is that we save so much that the transfers are quite frequent, and now my sister is annoyed with me because she has to drive to the exchange office so often. Mustachianism is ruining my relationship with my siblings.

ETA: Itís ok though. Iíve promised to buy her a condo once she graduates.

That sounds like a very respectable solution!

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« Reply #6986 on: November 26, 2019, 02:50:04 PM »
MPP: My spreadsheet has too many tabs.

Budget Data Entry
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My MPP is that I just realized I had a problem.  My spreadsheet has 40 sheets...

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« Reply #6987 on: November 26, 2019, 09:36:54 PM »
MPP: My spreadsheet has too many tabs.

Budget Data Entry
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I end up making a new spreadsheet for everything instead of a new tab... Probably not the best organization system.
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« Reply #6988 on: November 27, 2019, 03:04:00 AM »
Yeah? Well my spreadsheet is bigger than your spreadsheet!

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« Reply #6989 on: November 27, 2019, 05:10:00 AM »
I've been trying to re balance my taxable accounts since this summer when I decided to beef up my emergency cash by about $10,000 leaving them seriously out of alignment.  But none of my lots has a loss in them making any move between account a taxable event.  With the market on a tear right now any new money I put in isn't making a dent in the imbalance. 

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« Reply #6990 on: November 27, 2019, 08:41:17 AM »
MPP: My spreadsheet has too many tabs.

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My MPP is that I just realized I had a problem.  My spreadsheet has 40 sheets...

As the official Corporate Finance dweller, I declare your spreadsheet doesn't have a problem until it takes a full coffee break to recalculate.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #6991 on: November 27, 2019, 08:52:50 AM »
So AT&T decided to upgrade my data plan and charge me $5/month extra for it, without my permission. It was a good deal if you're a person who uses a lot of data, but I don't, so I don't need it.  So I called them up to get them to remove it, and while I had them on the phone, we talked about upgrading my phone which is old and not working great.  They gave me a good offer for an iPhone XR for $5/month for 30 months ($150 total, a pretty good deal), but I don't like to make impulse purchases so I gave myself 24 hours to think about it.  They told me the offer had no expiration date.  Literally 24 hours later and not only is the offer not available, they're acting like it never existed.  I went on the website and saw the deal there, it absolutely existed.

Fucking telecom companies, man.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #6992 on: November 27, 2019, 08:57:57 AM »
MPP: My spreadsheet has too many tabs.

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My MPP is that I just realized I had a problem.  My spreadsheet has 40 sheets...

As the official Corporate Finance dweller, I declare your spreadsheet doesn't have a problem until it takes a full coffee break to recalculate.
What are you doing with it? Simulating Minecraft that runs a redstone Excel?

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« Reply #6993 on: November 27, 2019, 12:08:53 PM »
You gotta give up the beige box computer man... You need a newer Mint Linux machine... ;)

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« Reply #6994 on: November 27, 2019, 12:23:10 PM »
So AT&T decided to upgrade my data plan and charge me $5/month extra for it, without my permission. It was a good deal if you're a person who uses a lot of data, but I don't, so I don't need it.  So I called them up to get them to remove it, and while I had them on the phone, we talked about upgrading my phone which is old and not working great.  They gave me a good offer for an iPhone XR for $5/month for 30 months ($150 total, a pretty good deal), but I don't like to make impulse purchases so I gave myself 24 hours to think about it.  They told me the offer had no expiration date.  Literally 24 hours later and not only is the offer not available, they're acting like it never existed.  I went on the website and saw the deal there, it absolutely existed.

Fucking telecom companies, man.

They did that on my family plan as well and insisted I could not change it back because the plan we were on no longer exists. None of the plans they currently offer are better deals than the adjusted price. To make it more annoying it is virtually impossible to find someone at customer service who understands the implications of having all our phones paid off so none of them can accurately predict our bill on a new plan...

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« Reply #6995 on: November 27, 2019, 12:31:33 PM »
MPP: My spreadsheet has too many tabs.

Budget Data Entry
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My MPP is that I just realized I had a problem.  My spreadsheet has 40 sheets...

As the official Corporate Finance dweller, I declare your spreadsheet doesn't have a problem until it takes a full coffee break to recalculate.

I've certainly run a few Solver functions that took 10+ minutes to run for my work. I can't imagine my finances ever needing to be that complicated. But give me enough time tinkering with them, and I'm sure that I'll find a way eventually.

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« Reply #6996 on: November 27, 2019, 12:59:13 PM »
I burned the edges of the crust on my pumpkin pie this morning! Oh noes! I guess we'll just have to bake another pie*....

*Meanwhile, back at the lab, we'll just break the overly toasted edge off and enjoy the pie anyway.

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« Reply #6997 on: November 27, 2019, 01:29:43 PM »
My dad is a dinosaur.

I thought the Donkey f***** the Dragon at the end of Shrek but whatevs.

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« Reply #6998 on: November 30, 2019, 08:42:09 PM »
MPP: My spreadsheet has too many tabs.

Budget Data Entry
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Contributions v Gains
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My MPP is that I just realized I had a problem.  My spreadsheet has 40 sheets...

As the official Corporate Finance dweller, I declare your spreadsheet doesn't have a problem until it takes a full coffee break to recalculate.
What are you doing with it? Simulating Minecraft that runs a redstone Excel?

I'm a programmer.  I once had to make Excel create a swimlane calendar based on a list of events that refreshed out of Sharepoint every week.  It took 600-800 events and created textboxes for them and then ran logic to place them in the right cell and not on top of each other.  Early iterations of it took an hour and a half to run.


My personal finances workbook takes a yearly budget and generates a projected checking register out of it.  It takes about 10 minutes to run.  Some of the reports take about that ling.  I need to look into optimizating those.
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« Reply #6999 on: December 01, 2019, 12:15:38 PM »
I have an oddball sized family room downstairs. Right now it is kind of junked up and I am sick of it and want to get rid of just about everything and refurnish it. The problem is that the room is retangular shaped. It is almost like two rooms with no wall in the middle. One side is small and has a fireplace, the other side is bigger and about 4 feet wider. I have tried to arrange furniture around the fireplace but it is a small area and also there was a big screen tv. If I arrange the furniture on the larger side, what do I do with the fireplace side. It is really too hot to sit in front of the fireplace. There is really only one full wall on the small side and the larger side. There are windows half way up and a shelf under the windows. This room makes me nuts! At one point in time we had a pool table on the larger side. It never got used so we got rid of it. I kind of want to make it a simple sitting room with two really comfortable recliners, maybe a love seat a small table or two and a large screen tv. Maybe a table with a coffeemaker and supplies I really need some kind of a computer program to figure out how to arrange the furniture. I also have considered a pull out bed in a sofa. Is there some kind of a computer program anyone knows of?