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« Reply #2800 on: June 20, 2016, 10:36:18 AM »
I really do find it hilarious that people will brag about being acclimated to 90 degrees or whatever and then complain endlessly about how 68 degrees is "freezing" and you can't possibly do work in those kind of extreme conditions.

Maybe you all should acclimate yourself to those ice cold normal room temperatures like you expect others to do for heat?

The thing is you can't acclimate to both ends of the spectrum. As a Canadian I can tell you that when spring comes I can easily go out wearing only a t-shirt in weather that would have me wear a jacket in autumn.

I used to be able to sleep very well without any AC all summer long. Then I started working in an office and now I just can't. I have been forced to acclimate to colder weather all year round. Also makes it much harder to run or bike in summer when before I could do anything under midday sun no problem.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #2801 on: June 20, 2016, 10:37:12 AM »
I really do find it hilarious that people will brag about being acclimated to 90 degrees or whatever and then complain endlessly about how 68 degrees is "freezing" and you can't possibly do work in those kind of extreme conditions.

Maybe you all should acclimate yourself to those ice cold normal room temperatures like you expect others to do for heat?

68*F is not normal room temperature during a heat wave in the summer.  He wouldn't have to crank it down if he dressed appropriately.  Maybe if he had gotten any exercise in the past 10 years, and wasn't wearing long sleeves he could be comfortable at a temperature above 68.

It's difficult to acclimate when I am going to walk out the door into 94*F heat and ride my bike home, and hang out at my house with no AC until tomorrow morning when I bike back.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #2802 on: June 20, 2016, 10:37:35 AM »
I really do find it hilarious that people will brag about being acclimated to 90 degrees or whatever and then complain endlessly about how 68 degrees is "freezing" and you can't possibly do work in those kind of extreme conditions.

Maybe you all should acclimate yourself to those ice cold normal room temperatures like you expect others to do for heat?

Shouldn't we just acclimate to whatever temperature the outdoor climate actually is?

I'm not sure it's worth being derisive. I don't want to use a ton of AC in my home. In the summer I'll be acclimated to much warmer temps than I am in winter. If my workplace is much colder, that'll be uncomfortable. Why do you think it's bragging to do the eco friendly and financially badass thing?
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« Reply #2803 on: June 20, 2016, 11:04:06 AM »
The thing is you can't acclimate to both ends of the spectrum.

This is what I'm talking about, though. In what world is 68F the end of any temperature spectrum? 68-72 is pretty much widely accepted as "room temperature" that most humans are comfortable in. It's not "cold" or "freezing" in any way.

Are all of the people complaining about 68F summer offices totally fine with chilly offices in the winter? Are your fingers able to comfortably type at 64F in January? In my experience certain people are just cold all the time and always want it to be warmer than I like it. It's not badass, it's just having a different body type. Which is why I think the bragging is silly if you can only take temperatures going one way. I don't brag about how I can tolerate really cold temps in winter, because I'm heat intolerant and I know that's just the way my body is and has been since childhood. It's not some kind of proud personal accomplishment.

Of course it would be much better if we could all use less energy for climate control, but as long as we're all stuck working in offices without control over the thermostat it's probably best to just figure out a way to deal with it.
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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #2804 on: June 20, 2016, 11:11:47 AM »
The thing is you can't acclimate to both ends of the spectrum.

This is what I'm talking about, though. In what world is 68F the end of any temperature spectrum? 68-72 is pretty much widely accepted as "room temperature" that most humans are comfortable in. It's not "cold" or "freezing" in any way.

Are all of the people complaining about 68F summer offices totally fine with chilly offices in the winter? Are your fingers able to comfortably type at 64F in January? In my experience certain people are just cold all the time and always want it to be warmer than I like it. It's not badass, it's just having a different body type. Which is why I think the bragging is silly if you can only take temperatures going one way. I don't brag about how I can tolerate really cold temps in winter, because I'm heat intolerant and I know that's just the way my body is and has been since childhood. It's not some kind of proud personal accomplishment.

Of course it would be much better if we could all use less energy for climate control, but as long as we're all stuck working in offices without control over the thermostat it's probably best to just figure out a way to deal with it.

Yes, keep the office closer to the natural climate outside just like I do with my house.  The winter is colder, and the summer is warmer.  My office often gets set at 73 or 74 in the winter.  That's backwards! They are chilling it far too much in the summer, and heating it up far too much in the winter.  Wasting tons of money at the office, and wasting everyone's money at home too as they follow the same patterns.  It only exacerbates the problem, I can never acclimate because it's such an extreme change from the natural climate.  68* is a fine room temperature, but not when it's 90-100*F outside and I spend 2/3+ of my time outside (or at outside temps).

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« Reply #2805 on: June 20, 2016, 11:19:01 AM »
My office often gets set at 73 or 74 in the winter.  That's backwards! They are chilling it far too much in the summer, and heating it up far too much in the winter.

Yeah, I had to completely turn off the heater in my office because it would get up to 80+ degrees in the winter. On or off are my only choices, so it often ends up being very cold. But I prefer 62 to 82 in winter, so it's off. I have no control over my heat at home which often really sucks (this winter ranged from 55F-82F indoors). But, like I said, when you don't have much control over something, I think the MMM response is to suck it up and deal with it and not bitch and moan about how much you wish the room you're in would be a slightly different temperature. :-)

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #2806 on: June 20, 2016, 11:24:18 AM »
My office often gets set at 73 or 74 in the winter.  That's backwards! They are chilling it far too much in the summer, and heating it up far too much in the winter.

Yeah, I had to completely turn off the heater in my office because it would get up to 80+ degrees in the winter. On or off are my only choices, so it often ends up being very cold. But I prefer 62 to 82 in winter, so it's off. I have no control over my heat at home which often really sucks (this winter ranged from 55F-82F indoors). But, like I said, when you don't have much control over something, I think the MMM response is to suck it up and deal with it and not bitch and moan about how much you wish the room you're in would be a slightly different temperature. :-)

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« Reply #2807 on: June 20, 2016, 11:26:06 AM »
Fine, fine. I'll eagerly await all of you coming back in the winter to complain about the intolerable 71 degree heat with a smile, then. ;-)
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« Reply #2808 on: June 20, 2016, 11:28:48 AM »
I really do find it hilarious that people will brag about being acclimated to 90 degrees or whatever and then complain endlessly about how 68 degrees is "freezing" and you can't possibly do work in those kind of extreme conditions.

Maybe you all should acclimate yourself to those ice cold normal room temperatures like you expect others to do for heat?

Are all of the people complaining about 68F summer offices totally fine with chilly offices in the winter? Are your fingers able to comfortably type at 64F in January?
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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #2809 on: June 20, 2016, 02:40:58 PM »
The thing is you can't acclimate to both ends of the spectrum.

This is what I'm talking about, though. In what world is 68F the end of any temperature spectrum? 68-72 is pretty much widely accepted as "room temperature" that most humans are comfortable in. It's not "cold" or "freezing" in any way.

Are all of the people complaining about 68F summer offices totally fine with chilly offices in the winter? Are your fingers able to comfortably type at 64F in January? In my experience certain people are just cold all the time and always want it to be warmer than I like it. It's not badass, it's just having a different body type. Which is why I think the bragging is silly if you can only take temperatures going one way. I don't brag about how I can tolerate really cold temps in winter, because I'm heat intolerant and I know that's just the way my body is and has been since childhood. It's not some kind of proud personal accomplishment.

Of course it would be much better if we could all use less energy for climate control, but as long as we're all stuck working in offices without control over the thermostat it's probably best to just figure out a way to deal with it.

I also suffer through this. Apparently in the minority here, but I'm very cold tolerant but can't handle heat. The wife has ixnayed the idea of moving any further north so I'm stuck.

The thing is, cold people can always put on more clothes. I can't take anymore off without causing distress :) 

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« Reply #2810 on: June 20, 2016, 04:19:30 PM »
The thing is, cold people can always put on more clothes. I can't take anymore off without causing distress :)

Yup. I'm not great at either end of the spectrum (21C-22C is my ideal zone...) but there comes a point with heat when you just can't do anything else while still getting on with stuff. It's OK if I have nothing to do but lie around drinking iced lemonade and spritzing my face with water while making sure the electric fan is angled just right, but to actually do a JOB when it's 26C??? Ugh, no. Whereas if it's 17C, I can put on all my clothes (hat and fingerless gloves included!), have a big mug of tea and stuff a hot water bottle under my jumper or sit one at my feet. It's much easier to warm up than to cool down in a sitting-down-work-type situation.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #2811 on: June 20, 2016, 04:37:49 PM »
I'm so tired of the "you can always put on a sweater" line of reasoning.  I'm currently wearing two sweaters, huddling under a thick quilt, and still feeling painfully cold, with hands that are too numb to type well.  But we can't even compromise on a tolerable temperature -- one that would be a lot less wasteful and inefficient -- because some obese guy down the hall will complain if the temperature gets anywhere near 70, and I can supposedly always put on yet another sweater if I'm feeling cold.

At some point you can't just put on more clothes.

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« Reply #2812 on: June 20, 2016, 04:40:48 PM »
I'm so tired of the "you can always put on a sweater" line of reasoning.  I'm currently wearing two sweaters, huddling under a thick quilt, and still feeling painfully cold, with hands that are too numb to type well.  But we can't even compromise on a tolerable temperature -- one that would be a lot less wasteful and inefficient -- because some obese guy down the hall will complain if the temperature gets anywhere near 70, and I can supposedly always put on yet another sweater if I'm feeling cold.

At some point you can't just put on more clothes.

No, but localised heat-generating items exist in the way that localised cold-generating items do not. Hot water bottle? Those snappable hand warmers? I have icy feet that seriously do not generate any of their own warmth, so putting on another pair of socks does sod all, but I can always ADD heat to them with a hot water bottle.

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« Reply #2813 on: June 20, 2016, 07:10:22 PM »
hands that are too numb to type well. 

Has anyone here used a heated keyboard? I remember reading an article (linked from here, probably) about someone who was using a heated keyboard and mouse and a dog bed heater under their desk for their feet, and they were cozy at some ridiculously low temperature.

(Yes, I acknowledge the ridiculousness of all these plans to heat ourselves in a space someone else has cooled in a hot climate...)

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« Reply #2814 on: June 21, 2016, 03:01:43 AM »
hands that are too numb to type well. 

Has anyone here used a heated keyboard? I remember reading an article (linked from here, probably) about someone who was using a heated keyboard and mouse and a dog bed heater under their desk for their feet, and they were cozy at some ridiculously low temperature.

(Yes, I acknowledge the ridiculousness of all these plans to heat ourselves in a space someone else has cooled in a hot climate...)


(Yes, you should definitely err on the hot side if you are cooling because it is hot outside. But if you are heating because is cold outside, then you should err on the cool side for the room generally - which may be too cold for an individual.)

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« Reply #2815 on: June 21, 2016, 04:31:14 AM »
I think I'm mentioned this before as a MPP that -almost- happened, but this month it did.

I run payroll for our whole company. My entire paycheck goes straight into savings, and we live off my husband's salary. You can see where this is going.

I forgot to run payroll.

Thankfully I realised on the day payments were due into people's accounts, and by a wing, a prayer, and faster bank payments, I don't think anyone noticed, phew.

Must set a reminder. Can't have the boss knowing I don't really need my salary! (he's one of those who, annoyingly, takes people's personal circumstances into consideration when debating raises. "Oh, John, he's got a huge mortgage! Give him 4%" Must maintain the illusion of being stretched but hard-working and grateful).


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« Reply #2816 on: June 21, 2016, 06:49:16 AM »
I think I'm mentioned this before as a MPP that -almost- happened, but this month it did.

I run payroll for our whole company. My entire paycheck goes straight into savings, and we live off my husband's salary. You can see where this is going.

I forgot to run payroll.

Thankfully I realised on the day payments were due into people's accounts, and by a wing, a prayer, and faster bank payments, I don't think anyone noticed, phew.

Must set a reminder. Can't have the boss knowing I don't really need my salary! (he's one of those who, annoyingly, takes people's personal circumstances into consideration when debating raises. "Oh, John, he's got a huge mortgage! Give him 4%" Must maintain the illusion of being stretched but hard-working and grateful).


What happens when you go on holidays? Who runs payroll then?

Bit of a segregation of duties risk if you're the only one with the keys to the honeypot. I'm sure you are trustworthy but still...

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« Reply #2817 on: June 21, 2016, 08:12:50 AM »
hands that are too numb to type well. 

Has anyone here used a heated keyboard? I remember reading an article (linked from here, probably) about someone who was using a heated keyboard and mouse and a dog bed heater under their desk for their feet, and they were cozy at some ridiculously low temperature.

(Yes, I acknowledge the ridiculousness of all these plans to heat ourselves in a space someone else has cooled in a hot climate...)

This reminds me of the story of the Complicator's Gloves...

http://thedailywtf.com/articles/The_Complicator_0x27_s_Gloves

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« Reply #2818 on: June 21, 2016, 08:17:01 AM »
I think I'm mentioned this before as a MPP that -almost- happened, but this month it did.

I run payroll for our whole company. My entire paycheck goes straight into savings, and we live off my husband's salary. You can see where this is going.

I forgot to run payroll.

Thankfully I realised on the day payments were due into people's accounts, and by a wing, a prayer, and faster bank payments, I don't think anyone noticed, phew.

Must set a reminder. Can't have the boss knowing I don't really need my salary! (he's one of those who, annoyingly, takes people's personal circumstances into consideration when debating raises. "Oh, John, he's got a huge mortgage! Give him 4%" Must maintain the illusion of being stretched but hard-working and grateful).


What happens when you go on holidays? Who runs payroll then?

Bit of a segregation of duties risk if you're the only one with the keys to the honeypot. I'm sure you are trustworthy but still...

For 12 years I have never gone on holiday over a payday! (UK, so only 12 per year)

It's even harder when you take into account my husband's role involves month-end procedures, so I've also never been away over a month end! (Don't worry, we get plenty of extravagant holidays. We just have to time them.)

You are completely right about me being the only one with the keys to the honeypot. I vacillitate between thinking my boss is an absolute idiot and deciding he is an excellent judge of character - I could have taken him for s over the years.

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« Reply #2819 on: June 21, 2016, 09:21:27 AM »
Supposedly in banking/finance they force people to take holidays because it is a good way to detect fraud.
If that accountant never risks being out of the office for a week you get suspicious.

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« Reply #2820 on: June 21, 2016, 09:30:53 AM »
Supposedly in banking/finance they force people to take holidays because it is a good way to detect fraud.
If that accountant never risks being out of the office for a week you get suspicious.

This is true in certain circumstances, generally large financial services companies, at least in the US. But the required "long" holidays are two weeks, because fraud is likely to come to light in that time.

It would be possible for theadvicist to have taken two week holidays at the beginning of the month, which gives others the chance to examine the books, but still have "all hands on deck" at busy times.

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« Reply #2821 on: June 21, 2016, 09:59:08 AM »
Supposedly in banking/finance they force people to take holidays because it is a good way to detect fraud.
If that accountant never risks being out of the office for a week you get suspicious.

This is true in certain circumstances, generally large financial services companies, at least in the US. But the required "long" holidays are two weeks, because fraud is likely to come to light in that time.

It would be possible for theadvicist to have taken two week holidays at the beginning of the month, which gives others the chance to examine the books, but still have "all hands on deck" at busy times.
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« Reply #2822 on: June 21, 2016, 11:12:09 AM »
I really do find it hilarious that people will brag about being acclimated to 90 degrees or whatever and then complain endlessly about how 68 degrees is "freezing" and you can't possibly do work in those kind of extreme conditions.

Maybe you all should acclimate yourself to those ice cold normal room temperatures like you expect others to do for heat?

Shouldn't we just acclimate to whatever temperature the outdoor climate actually is?

I'm not sure it's worth being derisive. I don't want to use a ton of AC in my home. In the summer I'll be acclimated to much warmer temps than I am in winter. If my workplace is much colder, that'll be uncomfortable. Why do you think it's bragging to do the eco friendly and financially badass thing?

Try completely turning off your heat in the winter.  It gets very hot and humid in the summer in the South.  A lot of you don't have much experience with both heat and humidity together for months on end.  Even my Great Grandmother, who had more than her fair share of un-airconditioned summers, said you never got used to it.  Yes, people should turn up the thermostat and acclimatize to 80F, I completely totally agree with that.  Yes, it's completely possible to do without it.  But it's also completely possible to do without heat in the winter.  Don't point fingers at southerners for enjoying a little AC in the summer if you turn on the heat in the winter. 

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« Reply #2823 on: June 21, 2016, 11:21:18 AM »
I really do find it hilarious that people will brag about being acclimated to 90 degrees or whatever and then complain endlessly about how 68 degrees is "freezing" and you can't possibly do work in those kind of extreme conditions.

Maybe you all should acclimate yourself to those ice cold normal room temperatures like you expect others to do for heat?

Shouldn't we just acclimate to whatever temperature the outdoor climate actually is?

I'm not sure it's worth being derisive. I don't want to use a ton of AC in my home. In the summer I'll be acclimated to much warmer temps than I am in winter. If my workplace is much colder, that'll be uncomfortable. Why do you think it's bragging to do the eco friendly and financially badass thing?

Try completely turning off your heat in the winter.  It gets very hot and humid in the summer in the South.  A lot of you don't have much experience with both heat and humidity together for months on end.  Even my Great Grandmother, who had more than her fair share of un-airconditioned summers, said you never got used to it.  Yes, people should turn up the thermostat and acclimatize to 80F, I completely totally agree with that.  Yes, it's completely possible to do without it.  But it's also completely possible to do without heat in the winter.  Don't point fingers at southerners for enjoying a little AC in the summer if you turn on the heat in the winter.

I'm saying ALL times of year. My house often got down to 58F over the winter. And it often gets up to 85F during the summer. We usually keep it 60F in the winter as our low point, and we will turn on our portable AC unit in one room if it gets above 80F in the summer. I'm not saying everyone has to go as far as I do to either end- I'm just saying that keeping your office temperature 66F when it is 90F outside is pretty stupid. And on the other end, keeping your home 76F in the winter like my mother does is pretty stupid. It makes you LESS comfortable when you do have to be elsewhere, because your set point is totally screwed up. It's not machismo if overall it makes you MORE tolerant of temperatures and comfortable on the whole.

I was saying we should try and acclimate on BOTH ends. Not 100% don't use stuff- just stay closer to what the out of doors is actually doing.

And PS, I have in fact spent a whole summer in Mississippi with no AC. Don't make sweeping assumptions about other people's life experiences. =)
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« Reply #2824 on: June 21, 2016, 11:27:15 AM »
Not to mention how incredibly wasteful it is to cool to 66 when it's 90, or heat up to 76 when it's sub zero.  Every degree you get further from the outside temperature takes more energy than the previous degree. 

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« Reply #2825 on: June 21, 2016, 11:40:01 AM »
I think I'm mentioned this before as a MPP that -almost- happened, but this month it did.

I run payroll for our whole company. My entire paycheck goes straight into savings, and we live off my husband's salary. You can see where this is going.

I forgot to run payroll.

Thankfully I realised on the day payments were due into people's accounts, and by a wing, a prayer, and faster bank payments, I don't think anyone noticed, phew.

Must set a reminder. Can't have the boss knowing I don't really need my salary! (he's one of those who, annoyingly, takes people's personal circumstances into consideration when debating raises. "Oh, John, he's got a huge mortgage! Give him 4%" Must maintain the illusion of being stretched but hard-working and grateful).


What happens when you go on holidays? Who runs payroll then?

Bit of a segregation of duties risk if you're the only one with the keys to the honeypot. I'm sure you are trustworthy but still...

For 12 years I have never gone on holiday over a payday! (UK, so only 12 per year)

It's even harder when you take into account my husband's role involves month-end procedures, so I've also never been away over a month end! (Don't worry, we get plenty of extravagant holidays. We just have to time them.)

You are completely right about me being the only one with the keys to the honeypot. I vacillitate between thinking my boss is an absolute idiot and deciding he is an excellent judge of character - I could have taken him for s over the years.

With the "keys to the honeypot" issue - is that not a liability issue for UK bookkeepers the way it is for US bookkeepers?  US bookkeepers with signature authority can be personally on the hook if the boss fails to pay employment taxes and then flees the country.  See US 401k late remittance discussion on this thread.
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« Reply #2826 on: June 22, 2016, 06:05:52 AM »
Husband's employment shifted underneath him so we're holding off on investing in our taxable accounts until we've got a clearer picture of the new 401k and HSA options and can re-evaluate our taxable investments to keep our asset allocation consistent.  I get irritated every time I log into our bank's website and see that pile of green employees lazing about in our checking account.

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« Reply #2827 on: June 23, 2016, 03:26:41 AM »

With the "keys to the honeypot" issue - is that not a liability issue for UK bookkeepers the way it is for US bookkeepers?  US bookkeepers with signature authority can be personally on the hook if the boss fails to pay employment taxes and then flees the country.  See US 401k late remittance discussion on this thread.

My boss would be on the hook entirely, there would be no liability to me personally.

However, that situation would also never arise, because I pay all the payroll taxes. He literally doesn't even have a bank log in or a cheque book, and of course he would have no idea who to pay or what amount. So it's more likely that I would flee the country and leave him in a pickle with Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs!

Like I say... either a genius who lets someone else do all the boring but necessary work, knowing that it will definitely get done to a high standard... or a complete idiot.

(Obviously it's the latter. I mean, don't get me wrong, he chose me well. But seriously, so little oversight into things you are legally responsible for is mind-numbingly stupid.)

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« Reply #2828 on: June 23, 2016, 03:30:54 AM »
Supposedly in banking/finance they force people to take holidays because it is a good way to detect fraud.
If that accountant never risks being out of the office for a week you get suspicious.

This is true in certain circumstances, generally large financial services companies, at least in the US. But the required "long" holidays are two weeks, because fraud is likely to come to light in that time.

It would be possible for theadvicist to have taken two week holidays at the beginning of the month, which gives others the chance to examine the books, but still have "all hands on deck" at busy times.

You'd think... but it's all one PC (backed up to the cloud, don't worry) that (as far as I'm aware, obviously there are ways around these things) no-one else has access to. Password protected PC, password protected accounts program.

Literally the ONLY oversight is our accountant's reviewing my work once a year - and they are looking for ways to save the company money on tax, not checking whether I have my 'hands in the till'.

Oh, and who are our accountants you ask? A personal family friend of mine that I recommended!!

People, don't run your businesses like this.

(As I say, he's got nothing to worry about, I'm scrupulous. But it's still not a good idea to put that must trust in one person!)
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« Reply #2829 on: June 23, 2016, 06:15:14 AM »
Supposedly in banking/finance they force people to take holidays because it is a good way to detect fraud.
If that accountant never risks being out of the office for a week you get suspicious.

This is true in certain circumstances, generally large financial services companies, at least in the US. But the required "long" holidays are two weeks, because fraud is likely to come to light in that time.

It would be possible for theadvicist to have taken two week holidays at the beginning of the month, which gives others the chance to examine the books, but still have "all hands on deck" at busy times.

You'd think... but it's all one PC (backed up to the cloud, don't worry) that (as far as I'm aware, obviously there are ways around these things) no-one else has access to. Password protected PC, password protected accounts program.

Literally the ONLY oversight is our accountant's reviewing my work once a year - and they are looking for ways to save the company money on tax, not checking whether I have my 'hands in the till'.

Oh, and who are our accountants you ask? A personal family friend of mine that I recommended!!

People, don't run your businesses like this.

(As I say, he's got nothing to worry about, I'm scrupulous. But it's still not a good idea to put that must trust in one person!)

A computer login password in no way protects the data on your pc from anybody with physical access. With physical access to the machine anyone can use a bootable USB to boot the computer into Linux and copy the files off of your computer.
Alternatively someone could steal the hard drive and connect it to another computer. They wouldn't have to boot from that hard drive (again getting around the password).

As far as the password protected accounts program, it depends how the program actually protects the data. If the programmers had any security sense they would have encrypted the data based on the program password. With a proper implementation and sufficiently long password, it would be impossible to crack - where by impossible I really mean it would take so long to brute force that by the time an attacker does so the data he irrelevant.

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« Reply #2830 on: June 23, 2016, 06:21:55 AM »
Supposedly in banking/finance they force people to take holidays because it is a good way to detect fraud.
If that accountant never risks being out of the office for a week you get suspicious.

This is true in certain circumstances, generally large financial services companies, at least in the US. But the required "long" holidays are two weeks, because fraud is likely to come to light in that time.

It would be possible for theadvicist to have taken two week holidays at the beginning of the month, which gives others the chance to examine the books, but still have "all hands on deck" at busy times.

You'd think... but it's all one PC (backed up to the cloud, don't worry) that (as far as I'm aware, obviously there are ways around these things) no-one else has access to. Password protected PC, password protected accounts program.

Literally the ONLY oversight is our accountant's reviewing my work once a year - and they are looking for ways to save the company money on tax, not checking whether I have my 'hands in the till'.

Oh, and who are our accountants you ask? A personal family friend of mine that I recommended!!

People, don't run your businesses like this.

(As I say, he's got nothing to worry about, I'm scrupulous. But it's still not a good idea to put that must trust in one person!)

A computer login password in no way protects the data on your pc from anybody with physical access. With physical access to the machine anyone can use a bootable USB to boot the computer into Linux and copy the files off of your computer.
Alternatively someone could steal the hard drive and connect it to another computer. They wouldn't have to boot from that hard drive (again getting around the password).

As far as the password protected accounts program, it depends how the program actually protects the data. If the programmers had any security sense they would have encrypted the data based on the program password. With a proper implementation and sufficiently long password, it would be impossible to crack - where by impossible I really mean it would take so long to brute force that by the time an attacker does so the data he irrelevant.

Typically a laptop/computer that really needs to be secured would have a password that encrypts the entire hard drive. The easy way to bypass this is to use a keylogger to get the password as the person enters it. A very secure system would use 2-factor authentication(something you know, something you have) such as password+usb key or password + rsa token.

In any case nothing is 100% secure. There is someone somewhere who has access to it. I work as an admin so I have the final set of keys. Offsite backups I can't access but nothing would stop a devious admin from corrupting backups as they happen and it would not be noticeable before the yearly restore test(when there is even that).

Also there are more low tech methods. Someone tells you to choose between giving your password up or having your knees broken. What will you do?

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« Reply #2831 on: June 23, 2016, 06:28:55 AM »

Try completely turning off your heat in the winter.  It gets very hot and humid in the summer in the South.  A lot of you don't have much experience with both heat and humidity together for months on end.  Even my Great Grandmother, who had more than her fair share of un-airconditioned summers, said you never got used to it.  Yes, people should turn up the thermostat and acclimatize to 80F, I completely totally agree with that.  Yes, it's completely possible to do without it.  But it's also completely possible to do without heat in the winter.  Don't point fingers at southerners for enjoying a little AC in the summer if you turn on the heat in the winter.
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« Reply #2832 on: June 23, 2016, 07:35:17 AM »
You'd think... but it's all one PC (backed up to the cloud, don't worry) that (as far as I'm aware, obviously there are ways around these things) no-one else has access to. Password protected PC, password protected accounts program.

Literally the ONLY oversight is our accountant's reviewing my work once a year - and they are looking for ways to save the company money on tax, not checking whether I have my 'hands in the till'.

Oh, and who are our accountants you ask? A personal family friend of mine that I recommended!!

People, don't run your businesses like this.

(As I say, he's got nothing to worry about, I'm scrupulous. But it's still not a good idea to put that must trust in one person!)

A computer login password in no way protects the data on your pc from anybody with physical access. With physical access to the machine anyone can use a bootable USB to boot the computer into Linux and copy the files off of your computer.
Alternatively someone could steal the hard drive and connect it to another computer. They wouldn't have to boot from that hard drive (again getting around the password).

As far as the password protected accounts program, it depends how the program actually protects the data. If the programmers had any security sense they would have encrypted the data based on the program password. With a proper implementation and sufficiently long password, it would be impossible to crack - where by impossible I really mean it would take so long to brute force that by the time an attacker does so the data he irrelevant.

Typically a laptop/computer that really needs to be secured would have a password that encrypts the entire hard drive. The easy way to bypass this is to use a keylogger to get the password as the person enters it. A very secure system would use 2-factor authentication(something you know, something you have) such as password+usb key or password + rsa token.

In any case nothing is 100% secure. There is someone somewhere who has access to it. I work as an admin so I have the final set of keys. Offsite backups I can't access but nothing would stop a devious admin from corrupting backups as they happen and it would not be noticeable before the yearly restore test(when there is even that).

Also there are more low tech methods. Someone tells you to choose between giving your password up or having your knees broken. What will you do?

I'd revise that statement to a laptop/computer that really needs to be secured that is used by a security conscious individual or at a company with a security conscious IT department is typically encrypted.

I agree that nothing is 100% secure. All I was trying to do was dispel the misconception that a login password to a computer in itself protects the data on the computer.

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« Reply #2833 on: June 23, 2016, 07:43:31 AM »

I'd revise that statement to a laptop/computer that really needs to be secured that is used by a security conscious individual or at a company with a security conscious IT department is typically encrypted.

I agree that nothing is 100% secure. All I was trying to do was dispel the misconception that a login password to a computer in itself protects the data on the computer.

I knew this would get into a password / security thing because I know these boards! I just meant, my boss, the only person who would need to check my work as a bookkeeper, does not know the password to the computer, nor the password to the accounts programme (if he even knew which programme to open).

The guy can barely send an email without ringing me for help.

I do not think our data is particularly secure in any way. It was a comment on the lack of oversight I am given as an employee. I know he could get to the data if he needed to. The point is he never tries or shows any interest, as long as HMRC don't come knocking for unpaid bills.

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« Reply #2834 on: June 23, 2016, 09:23:48 AM »
I'm so tired of the "you can always put on a sweater" line of reasoning.  I'm currently wearing two sweaters, huddling under a thick quilt, and still feeling painfully cold, with hands that are too numb to type well.  But we can't even compromise on a tolerable temperature -- one that would be a lot less wasteful and inefficient -- because some obese guy down the hall will complain if the temperature gets anywhere near 70, and I can supposedly always put on yet another sweater if I'm feeling cold.

At some point you can't just put on more clothes.

If you have hands that are too numb to type at 68 degrees, you have a physical problem and either need treatment for it, or need to get your employer to accommodate your needs in another way (give you an office and a space heater).  It is ridiculous to expect that because you somehow have numb hands at a perfectly average temperature that everyone else is going to have to sweat through their dress shirts for you. 
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« Reply #2835 on: June 23, 2016, 10:36:26 AM »
I'm so tired of the "you can always put on a sweater" line of reasoning.  I'm currently wearing two sweaters, huddling under a thick quilt, and still feeling painfully cold, with hands that are too numb to type well.  But we can't even compromise on a tolerable temperature -- one that would be a lot less wasteful and inefficient -- because some obese guy down the hall will complain if the temperature gets anywhere near 70, and I can supposedly always put on yet another sweater if I'm feeling cold.

At some point you can't just put on more clothes.

If you have hands that are too numb to type at 68 degrees, you have a physical problem and either need treatment for it, or need to get your employer to accommodate your needs in another way (give you an office and a space heater).  It is ridiculous to expect that because you somehow have numb hands at a perfectly average temperature that everyone else is going to have to sweat through their dress shirts for you.

Another option would be to get a heated keyboard and mouse, or a heat lamp you can point at your hands. I remember seeing a youtube video at some point where they compared the cost of heating the cold person directly (I think they used a heat lamp and a foot warmer) vs heating the entire office, and the difference was huge.
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« Reply #2836 on: June 23, 2016, 10:56:08 AM »
I'm so tired of the "you can always put on a sweater" line of reasoning.  I'm currently wearing two sweaters, huddling under a thick quilt, and still feeling painfully cold, with hands that are too numb to type well.  But we can't even compromise on a tolerable temperature -- one that would be a lot less wasteful and inefficient -- because some obese guy down the hall will complain if the temperature gets anywhere near 70, and I can supposedly always put on yet another sweater if I'm feeling cold.

At some point you can't just put on more clothes.

If you have hands that are too numb to type at 68 degrees, you have a physical problem and either need treatment for it, or need to get your employer to accommodate your needs in another way (give you an office and a space heater).  It is ridiculous to expect that because you somehow have numb hands at a perfectly average temperature that everyone else is going to have to sweat through their dress shirts for you.

Another option would be to get a heated keyboard and mouse, or a heat lamp you can point at your hands. I remember seeing a youtube video at some point where they compared the cost of heating the cold person directly (I think they used a heat lamp and a foot warmer) vs heating the entire office, and the difference was huge.

This guy?
http://www.richsoil.com/electric-heat.jsp

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« Reply #2837 on: June 23, 2016, 11:28:03 AM »
I'm so tired of the "you can always put on a sweater" line of reasoning.  I'm currently wearing two sweaters, huddling under a thick quilt, and still feeling painfully cold, with hands that are too numb to type well.  But we can't even compromise on a tolerable temperature -- one that would be a lot less wasteful and inefficient -- because some obese guy down the hall will complain if the temperature gets anywhere near 70, and I can supposedly always put on yet another sweater if I'm feeling cold.

At some point you can't just put on more clothes.

If you have hands that are too numb to type at 68 degrees, you have a physical problem and either need treatment for it, or need to get your employer to accommodate your needs in another way (give you an office and a space heater).  It is ridiculous to expect that because you somehow have numb hands at a perfectly average temperature that everyone else is going to have to sweat through their dress shirts for you.

Another option would be to get a heated keyboard and mouse, or a heat lamp you can point at your hands. I remember seeing a youtube video at some point where they compared the cost of heating the cold person directly (I think they used a heat lamp and a foot warmer) vs heating the entire office, and the difference was huge.

This guy?
http://www.richsoil.com/electric-heat.jsp

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« Reply #2838 on: June 23, 2016, 12:24:55 PM »
To try and reel my flame-war (pun intended) hunger in and get back on topic, we don't have enough tax deductions to itemize. 

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« Reply #2839 on: June 24, 2016, 03:13:09 PM »
*snip*

You'd think... but it's all one PC (backed up to the cloud, don't worry) that (as far as I'm aware, obviously there are ways around these things) no-one else has access to. Password protected PC, password protected accounts program.

Literally the ONLY oversight is our accountant's reviewing my work once a year - and they are looking for ways to save the company money on tax, not checking whether I have my 'hands in the till'.

Oh, and who are our accountants you ask? A personal family friend of mine that I recommended!!

People, don't run your businesses like this.

(As I say, he's got nothing to worry about, I'm scrupulous. But it's still not a good idea to put that must trust in one person!)

Oh, this is hilarious and terrible!  One of OldJob's clients, relatively large, had a single bookkeeper who controlled ALL financial functions except invoice entry.  She would always say "They're lucky I'm so honest!"  Finally upper management started fixing things when we said "Look, this is a huge issue.  Bookkeeper wants to retire, and you won't be so lucky with her replacement."

What happens when you FIRE?  Are you going to have to choose your own successor and have the MPP of finding another saintly one?
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« Reply #2840 on: June 26, 2016, 02:09:20 PM »
I was telling a coworker about my new Chase Southwest Visa that I got specifically to get the 50,000 bonus miles.

Coworker:  Oh yeah...what is the interest rate??
Me:  I don't know.
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Hah! I just realized I have no idea what the interest rate is on any of my cards. I would assume around 20%, since that's a common number in Canada.

Yeah, I don't know my rates either. Or my credit limits!

I know the interest rate on all my credit cards.  Y'all do too if you just think about it.

The interest rate is 0%.

Because you pay off your balance every month.

"Use this one weird trick to never pay interest on a credit card again! Banks hate her!"

Ha.

Better to hook in the co-worker is something like this:

"Yeah, the interest rate on that new card is zero percent. And they're going to keep giving me that rate for as long as I have the card."

"WOW, how do I get that?"

"Just pay off the full balance every month. Works on almost any credit card!"
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« Reply #2841 on: June 26, 2016, 03:27:47 PM »
Okay, I solved my "Mint profile incomplete" problem. I added my bicycle as a car ($100 value) and my cat as real estate ($1). Boyfriend thought I should change my ER investment account to "real estate", but I'm sticking with "Artwork", because it seems fitting.
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« Reply #2842 on: June 27, 2016, 12:53:50 PM »
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« Reply #2843 on: June 27, 2016, 01:40:25 PM »
When you prefer either no A/C or set to 78, but everywhere you go it's set to 72 and you FREEZE.

Psshhhh, I set mine to 82 and supplement with ceiling fans when I'm in the room.  However, I was also the guy a few weeks ago that road my bike home in ~100 degree weather at 4 PM (granted it's < 3 miles one way).  My wife is also pretty well adjusted now, also.

I just quietly listen when my colleagues talk about setting theirs to 76 because they're "cheap"; oh the horror if they found out what I set mine to.
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« Reply #2844 on: June 27, 2016, 01:59:44 PM »
When you prefer either no A/C or set to 78, but everywhere you go it's set to 72 and you FREEZE.

Psshhhh, I set mine to 82 and supplement with ceiling fans when I'm in the room.  However, I was also the guy a few weeks ago that road my bike home in ~100 degree weather at 4 PM (granted it's < 3 miles one way).  My wife is also pretty well adjusted now, also.

I just quietly listen when my colleagues talk about setting theirs to 76 because they're "cheap"; oh the horror if they found out what I set mine to.

It's 4pm and 92*F here.  I'm about to bike 6 miles to my un-airconditioned house.

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« Reply #2845 on: June 27, 2016, 02:11:41 PM »
My MPP:  I'd like to chime in on the A/C humblebragging, since I have yet to turn mine on, but it doesn't feel right because I live on the first floor of a multi-level apartment complex.  My neighbors around and above me blast their AC like crazy, and I have to open my windows in the middle of the day to get the thermostat to read higher than 74F  \_(ツ)_/

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« Reply #2846 on: June 27, 2016, 02:14:41 PM »
It's 4pm and 92*F here.  I'm about to bike 6 miles to my un-airconditioned house.

Badass.

I could do that but I gotta do something to keep my wife happy; 82 + ceiling fans seemed like a happy medium.  We even get cold on some nights with the ceiling fan directly above us.
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« Reply #2848 on: June 27, 2016, 05:53:49 PM »
I am currently using one of my credit cards as a bookmark because I don't know what else I am supposed to do with it.

I was also talking to my boss a few days ago about an ad the company had put out. For a few moments I had trouble following what he was saying because I forgot that people actually fall for advertising.

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« Reply #2849 on: June 28, 2016, 05:01:47 PM »
I am currently using one of my credit cards as a bookmark because I don't know what else I am supposed to do with it.

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