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Mouse attack!
« on: March 15, 2017, 01:35:19 AM »
I found a mouse in my pantry yesterday 😳☹️ Ick!  So after spending $50 on a pest controller to put some bait out (best money I've spent lately!), I've now completely cleaned out my kitchen cupboards and removed anything they could have got in to. This means that I've got rid of pretty much everything except canned goods. So now I have to start from scratch again.

So, what would you re-stock your cupboards with if you had to start from scratch?

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Re: Mouse attack!
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2017, 02:50:33 AM »
I found a mouse in my pantry yesterday 😳☹️ Ick!  So after spending $50 on a pest controller to put some bait out (best money I've spent lately!), I've now completely cleaned out my kitchen cupboards and removed anything they could have got in to. This means that I've got rid of pretty much everything except canned goods. So now I have to start from scratch again.

So, what would you re-stock your cupboards with if you had to start from scratch?

Before you worry about real stocking your cupboard, consider this:


Odds are if you have one mouse you have several at least. Putting out some bait probably won't solve your problem. With mice you have to put on a full court press. First you have to find out how they are getting in and stop them, or you'll be fighting an uphill battle. Then you have to clean the entire house floor to ceiling; when your prey goes to ground leave no ground to go to. Leave no food messes and no floor clutter of any kind. Then set KILL traps and leave them for a few weeks to be sure, assuming that's possible. Then always be super tidy with food, especially with messes.

Critically, if you live in an area know to have deer mice that carry Hanna Virus, then read up and follow the guidelines from the cdc on cleaning any mouse droppings. If hanta virus is possible and you have a large amount of droppings, then don't mess around and hire a pro. Hanna Virus is not something to mess around with, it's very deadly.

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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2017, 03:45:22 AM »
*hantavirus

Why stop there? Here's the complete list:
[url][/https://www.cdc.gov/rodents/diseases/direct.htmlurl]

To answer the OP question:
Pretty much just whatever I'd thrown out. I would have had to get rid of the following:

Beans
Baking staples
pasta
crackers
raisins
oatmeal
onions
garlic
potatoes

Did you throw out spices too?

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Re: Mouse attack!
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2017, 05:55:41 AM »
Gross.  I haven't had mice in my house yet.  If I see one I'll just let my dachshund kill it.

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Re: Mouse attack!
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2017, 06:37:06 AM »
Sorry you have found a mouse. You definitely have many more of them. I agree with Miles - without knowing more about your situation, I would plan on taking a holistic and multi-pronged approach. Store all food items in thick plastic containers that are very hard for mice to enter. Put away all food and constantly wipe all surfaces. You might consider putting out peppermint oil in the evenings to get them out of your kitchen. This will not eliminate them from your house but get them to leave the kitchen -- I detest them in the kitchen.

It is best to find entry points and block them. You will need to learn how to use the traps/bait. This is yucky to me -- hubbie baits them and I deal with the corpses. Using throwaway plastic gloves can help with this.

Do not feel badly or discouraged about this. I have lived all over the States and have had mice/rats in every one of our houses. Neighbors also have them.  Am firmly convinced that all human dwellings have them -- we either know they are there or don't. They are definitely there. Currently we live in an old house and I keep 2 cats around to create some sort of balance. If the thought of the mice continue to bother you, consider getting cats. My research (limited) showed that semi feral female cats can be the best mousers. Hope this helps you.

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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2017, 06:51:10 AM »
Mice are pretty common living in the country.  They tend to invade at the first good cold snap every year.
Don't panic, just take care of them.  Put DCon in your basement, garage or crawl space where pets can't get in it.  Set a few mouse traps and check them regularly, peanut butter is good bait.
Keep trash emptied and food cleaned up so as not to attract them.   Store food in cupboards in mouse proof containers, tupperware, tins, etc.

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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2017, 07:39:35 AM »
I live in a rural town in Victoria Australia. We don't have deer and I've never heard of that virus, so I'm pretty sure we will live.  The mice are both a good and a bad sign -bad bc "ick", but good bc it means there are probably no snakes on the property. We have a major river at the end of our street, so we also have a lot of poisonous snakes around who would be eating the mice if they were on the property. On balance... I prefer mice over snakes.  My neighbour said she and some others in the street have had mice come in lately. We only moved in in November, and I am certain that they are contained to the kitchen bc there is nowhere else in the house they could hide as we still haven't put the doors back on any of the cupboards after we painted them and I move the furniture every 1-2 weeks to vacuum (we've got dogs).  The pest controller said that they are probably coming in under the oven (gas, and he thinks the outlet is probably a bit too big for the pipes, allowing them access).  But... to fix the problem we will have to get a plumber in to remove the stove so that we can access the hole :(

My solution for now is just to buy some heavy plastic containers to store everything that's not canned. But I've had to throw out so much that I thought it's worth re-thinking the way I stock my pantry :)





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Re: Mouse attack!
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2017, 08:06:10 AM »
I would be looking for access points from outside the house. We eventually figured out there were gaps between the foundation and the siding all around the house. Once we filled those with cement we never had any more get in our house.

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Re: Mouse attack!
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2017, 10:51:21 AM »
Good luck.

We had a mice infestation and eventually just moved out.

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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2017, 11:54:42 AM »
We've had them; they will get in through the tiniest openings--it won't matter.  They come in from the cold--kinda' like humans. :)  As others have mentioned, strong plastic containers or else they will chew right through any paper/cardboard type packaging.  Buy some traps.  As another poster mentioned, put peanut butter in the trap.  If you like cats, they are great mouse catchers and might even bring you one as a gift. :)  Between plastic containers, a cat, and some traps, you should be good to go. 

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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2017, 12:02:17 PM »
We had our first one in 5 years this month.  We put a $2 trap in the closet with some PB and less than 12 hrs later it was caught.  I make sure to go around my house an if there are any slight openings I stuff steel wool in the hole.

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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2017, 12:35:41 PM »
Well, this isn't going to be helpful but I have no problems with mice. Why? Look at my avatar. That particular cat is useless with rodents, but the other cat is an accomplished and enthusiastic mouser.

Of course, if you prefer to get a cat, you can't use poison on the mice. But regardless, good luck.

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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2017, 02:36:55 PM »
Well, this isn't going to be helpful but I have no problems with mice. Why? Look at my avatar. That particular cat is useless with rodents, but the other cat is an accomplished and enthusiastic mouser.

Of course, if you prefer to get a cat, you can't use poison on the mice. But regardless, good luck.

My first apartment was a basement apartment in a private house. First winter comes, and I hear the scratching in the walls. My two monsters are driven nuts, but there weren't any sightings or any evidence (poop) of mice, so I let it go. One morning at 2am, I'm woken up by what I think is a loud motor running in my room. Turn on the light and it happens to be Montser #1 with a mouse in his mouth, growling away at Monster #2 (and at the mouse). Spend 45 minutes chasing Monster #1 trying to convince him to drop his prize. He did so once - the poor thing tried to scurry away but Monster #1 with his monstrous paw came slamming down. Finally, he drops it, dead, right into his water bowl. Little mouse body gets chucked away outside into the cold.

Two days later, Monster #2 is laying down in a weird spot, staring at the wall, and nothing can break his attention. Monster #2 is a weirdo in general, so I don't think much of it. The next morning I do a quick vacuum, and oh look, another little mouse body, right where Monster #2 was laying. That one gets chucked outside as well.

For the rest of the winter, I'm officially mouse free. I'd hear the occasional scratching, but not much else. Landlord (who lived upstairs in the main house) curses up a storm about mice. I'm guessing mice routinely found comfort in the basement during the winter, but officially kicked out by my felines' presence, so they took up residence upstairs with my landlord (who was catless).

Long story short, cats rule.

(One winter it took seven (SEVEN) cats to get rid of the one mouse that plagued my parents' house. It got past three outdoor cats that my parents took in and kept in the basement during the colder months and their three adult cats. It was finally the kitten that caught it, after destroying and knocking down everything in their pantry.)

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Re: Mouse attack!
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2017, 03:47:52 PM »
I would second everyone who recommended storing food in plastic bins.  While I still occasionally get mice, I don't have to toss the food. 

If I had to re-stock staples not already in jars or cans I would choose: rice, wild rice, dried lentils, raisins, prunes, oatmeal, hot cocoa mix, flours, and sugars.

Congratulations on mice over poisonous snakes - an option I'd take any day.

I'd stay away from poisons like d-con.  Yes, the mice take the poison back to their nests and feed it to their young, but if they are nesting inside your walls, you will suffer from dead mouse smell for weeks and weeks while they die one after the other then slowly decompose.

Don't ask me how I know this, just know that it is true.

Then there's the time I had a bad smell in the kitchen and thought it was a dead mouse, but it kept on smelling even a couple of months after a normal dead mouse would have decomposed so it had to be something else.  I zeroed in on the decrepit dishwasher, cleaning and disinfecting it, replacing some of the rubber gaskets, etc, and finally changing dishwashing detergents.  Still stunk a bit but not too bad.  Then came the day I replaced the dishwasher.  I'm sitting in the living room and hear a "Hey, Lady," come from the guys working in the kitchen.  I walk in to see that they've pulled out the dishwasher, and the biggest, deadest, most mummified mouse in the world is on the top of it (it had died in the space between the top of the dishwasher and the counter).  Every single time I ran the dishwasher, I had warmed up the little mouse corpse, once again releasing dead rodent smell into the air.  Over and over and over and over again.




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Re: Mouse attack!
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2017, 04:11:40 PM »
I'm a fan of the classic snap trap. They are ridiculously inexpensive (~25 cents a trap), non-toxic, can be baited with kitchen scraps, and can be reused almost indefinitely. Living in an area with abundant wildlife, I've been keeping a dozen or so traps baited at all times to catch any mouse that manages to sneak into the house.

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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2017, 04:32:51 PM »
I'm a fan of the classic snap trap. They are ridiculously inexpensive (~25 cents a trap), non-toxic, can be baited with kitchen scraps, and can be reused almost indefinitely. Living in an area with abundant wildlife, I've been keeping a dozen or so traps baited at all times to catch any mouse that manages to sneak into the house.

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The poisons have always made me nervous.  My house is full of pets and my woods are full of birds of prey.  Snap traps are cheap, easy and pretty safe.

For me, mice have always been relatively easy to catch.  Rats are a little harder.  I get mice in my workshop every year or so.
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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2017, 05:17:56 PM »
We used to have mice problems.   When we renovated the kitchen, there was a huge pile of rat poison the mice were stockpiling in the wall behind the sink.  ?!?

They're gone now.    Also our neighbours let their cats roam the neighbourhood freely.    Cause and effect?   The groundhogs seem to have left as well...

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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2017, 07:10:10 PM »
Good luck.

We had a mice infestation and eventually just moved out.

Yeah, thanks. Took me a couple years to eliminate them all!

I have had recent good luck with stainless steel wool jammed in some small gaps outside. Hvac unit mounting brackets seem to be an entry point i missed.

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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2017, 07:55:04 PM »
Like all pests the trick is to make survival difficult. They will either die or move on if your remain persistent.

Id take mice over bed bugs anyday of the week...

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« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2017, 08:53:18 PM »
We had a mouse problem in our last house. We didn't use bait (didn't want to damage pets or wildlife) but had a lot of success with electric mousetraps baited with peanut butter. Caught a mouse or two a day for a week, then no more sign of them until the next fall.

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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2017, 05:13:09 AM »
I thought this would be a thread about me. I'm less interested after finding out that it is not.
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« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2017, 05:27:27 AM »

<...> I walk in to see that they've pulled out the dishwasher, and the biggest, deadest, most mummified mouse in the world is on the top of it (it had died in the space between the top of the dishwasher and the counter).  Every single time I ran the dishwasher, I had warmed up the little mouse corpse, once again releasing dead rodent smell into the air.  Over and over and over and over again.

I once took up the mouse traps on the attic to fill them with cheese for the new cold season. One of the traps contained the decayed body of a mouse from last season. It had turned into a ball of dust, only recognizable as a mouse by the tail. That was an interesting experience.

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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2017, 05:30:54 AM »
I live in a rural town in Victoria Australia. We don't have deer and I've never heard of that virus, so I'm pretty sure we will live.  The mice are both a good and a bad sign -bad bc "ick", but good bc it means there are probably no snakes on the property. We have a major river at the end of our street, so we also have a lot of poisonous snakes around who would be eating the mice if they were on the property. On balance... I prefer mice over snakes.  <...>

Once when we came back from summer holiday there was a not-poisonous snake lying in the sun in front of the front door of our house. It had a very distinct thick body in one place. I bet it had just eaten a mouse and done us a great favor.

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« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2017, 05:45:38 AM »
We had some issues with mice during the years.

I our cabin we have had mice in the kitchen sink, the cupboard where the drain is. We figured out that the solution with tightening the gap around the drain pipe with a stuffed plastic bag was not sufficient, so we replaced it with tin foil. After that no mice have been seen inside.

In our previous house where we lived for 15 years, we would have mice on the cold attic every autumn. The attic was quite open and not possible to close. So we just set up mouse traps and empty them daily during October and November. After that there wouldn't be any more mice. We also put some small discs with poison on the attic, just in case for the rest of the season. One year we forgot to set up the traps and then first heard the mice crawling in the bathroom wall. Luckily they have never set foot in the kitchen.

In that same house, we also once find dead mice in the bathroom downstairs, that we don't use often. My DH got the bright idea where they entered, which was a door in the outside wall of the washing room, but closed with a wooden panel on the inside. Underneath that door there was a big gap. He closed that gap and the mouse problem there was solved.

In our new house, we had mice this winter in the basement, which is only accessible from the outside (no connection to inside). We are home beer brewers and need to store the malt somewhere. My DH thought he could leave it in the basement in an open crate, because the create had slippery sides and mouse can't climb those. At least, that is what he thought. Then we went on a Christmas holiday and when we returned mice had been feasting on the malt and nesting and eating everything in the basement. They ate fish nets, rucksack straps and some of the malt. There was a lot of mouse urine and poo on many places. Also inside creates with all our camping cooking gear, between fishing gear etc. We cleaned the whole place and bought a lot more plastic crates to put the remaining stuff in. The beer is now in completely air tight canoe containers. Some other chewable items have been removed from that basement. We still need to find out where they came in, but I think there are many options. The basement is just not tight enough. I have understood that mice like to nest in places that are warm and dark and contain food. That is the description of our basement as it was. We caught lots of mice with traps during several weeks and now it's over. Again, luckily they have never been in our kitchen. But it is tiresome that I really need to put everything remotely chewable in containers and make them well closed.

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« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2017, 06:35:56 AM »
I went and bought some heavy plastic boxes with snap lock lids today, but when I got home I realised that the seal wasn't good enough to keep the mice at bay. Tomorrow I'll have to return them and see whether they have anything else that we can use. The kitchen hasn't been renovated since the house was built in the 1940s, so I decided tonight that I will rip out the lining in the cupboards and paint the wood underneath as it smells musky and yuck.  We are eating a "paleo" style diet at the moment while I finish cleaning up:( not a grain left in the kitchen☹️

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« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2017, 08:54:34 AM »
I thought this would be a thread about me. I'm less interested after finding out that it is not.

No.  This is about the SAE mouse, not the metric mouse.
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« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2017, 11:32:27 AM »
I feel for you.  For the first time in 17 years living in our house, we have heard mice in the attic.  Put some traps up there and have caught 5.  (which reminds me, we need to look at the traps again.  There could be one in it)  We also put some traps in the garage and have caught 2.  I am waiting for warmer weather so I can go around our house and patch the holes.  We have a cat, but he doesn't go in the attic so he's no help there.

Good luck with getting rid of them.  It stinks you had to throw out all that food.

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« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2017, 08:23:46 AM »
I wouldn't rush to getting everything back in the pantry. My rule of thumb is 1 week after you've caught the last mouse = all dead. The mice usually come in pairs & multiply extremely quickly so if you found one you're likely to get more.

Also, I've been using these $1 snap traps instead of the $0.25 ones and it really does make resetting & cleaning up a breeze. Also, if you have pets/kids they won't get snapped accidentally.
https://www.menards.com/main/outdoors/animal-insect-controls/animal-traps-repellents/tomcat-reg-no-touch-mouse-snap-trap-2-pack/p-1444453651237.htm

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« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2017, 02:21:37 PM »
We used to have mice problems.   When we renovated the kitchen, there was a huge pile of rat poison the mice were stockpiling in the wall behind the sink.  ?!?

They're gone now.    Also our neighbours let their cats roam the neighbourhood freely.    Cause and effect?   The groundhogs seem to have left as well...

During a rodent infestation, I concluded by observation that some rodent poisons contain bait, aka something that smells good to rodents.  At one point I specifically found a rat whose sole purpose appeared to be chewing up the one bait container I left in the open, and trying to get at the several that were still in a package.  Maybe yours collected their treasures instead of eating them.

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« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2017, 07:34:50 PM »
Lots of cheese ;)

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« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2017, 07:41:27 PM »
Put some outfits on Mr Jingles and teach him some tricks!
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« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2017, 04:26:58 AM »
We used to have mice problems.   When we renovated the kitchen, there was a huge pile of rat poison the mice were stockpiling in the wall behind the sink.  ?!?

They're gone now.    Also our neighbours let their cats roam the neighbourhood freely.    Cause and effect?   The groundhogs seem to have left as well...

During a rodent infestation, I concluded by observation that some rodent poisons contain bait, aka something that smells good to rodents.  At one point I specifically found a rat whose sole purpose appeared to be chewing up the one bait container I left in the open, and trying to get at the several that were still in a package.  Maybe yours collected their treasures instead of eating them.

Yes, all rodent poisons contain bait.  Otherwise, the rodents wouldn't eat them.  The hoarding problem is easily solved by using the blocks of poison instead of the granules.
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