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MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« on: July 17, 2016, 05:19:07 AM »
It's been about two years since I started hanging out here and getting serious about early retirement.  Although DW and I had a decent sized stash to begin with, the extra focus has been enough to put us over the top to where we now consider ourselves quasi-FI.  If everything stays on track, RE should follow some time in the next 2 1/2 years.  At this point, most of the money-saving changes have been made, the calculations have been run, and it's largely a game of waiting until the stash reaches my comfort level for pulling the trigger.

Yesterday I read MMM's latest blog article, "Making Space for Badassity."  It was refreshing to see a back-to-basics post from him after the last year or two of articles on topics that are largely tangential to the central tenets of the MMM programme.  It got me to thinking about whether DW and I have truly done all we can to pin down the badass lifestyle.  Our annual spend is hovering around $40k, which would be a little over $30k if the house were paid off.  I'd say that puts us firmly within the realm of badassity.  Most of the low-hanging fruit has been picked, but are there still areas where we could improve?

Food: This is the biggie.  The two of us are still spending a face-punch-worthy $750 - $800/mo on food.  That includes coffee, alcohol, and the very occasional restaurant visit/take-out order, but does not include any personal care items, cleaning products, etc.  We do feed our recently-launched DS a couple of times a week, but still.  We like good food, so we'll never reach the $300 grocery bill that the cheap starch-eaters achieve.  But I think we could do a little better job of substituting sale items for high-priced items, and we probably need to dial back the urge to keep the freezer and pantry stocked to the bursting point at all times.

Housing: We live in a 2,600 sf, 5-bed 3-bath house.  It was more house than we needed when DS was at home; now it's just ridiculous.  We live in a LCOL, so our housing costs are still lower than most people on this forum.  But they could be a lot lower than they are.  We've been watching the real estate listings for a long time now, hoping that a 1,600 sf 3-2 on a nice rural property will go on the market for less than $150k.  But it hasn't happened yet.  We could use a little more than the equity we have in our current house and find plenty of modest houses where our neighbors would be right on top of us.  And we would be FIREd instantly.  But we just can't bring ourselves to give up our woods, birds, deck, berries in the yard, deer, and peace and quiet.

Air Conditioning:  AC use is one of the areas where DW and I still are not on the same page.  If she had her way, the thermostat would be set on 72 F during the day and 68 F at night.  We've managed to reach a shaky truce at 74-76 during the day and 70 at night.  It doesn't get all that hot here (upper 80s is a heat wave), and the AC needs to run periodically to reduce the humidity inside, so that isn't quite as ridiculous as it might sound.  But we're still spending more than necessary on keeping the house cool.

Clothes Drying:  Revealing a deep, dark secret here - we don't have a clothesline!  The layout of our steep, wooded property simply is not conducive to it, unless we want to put it out front for all the world to see.

TV:  Another deep, dark secret - we still have cable TV!  It's just basic cable that only costs a little over $20/mo.  We can't do hulu or Netflix unless we spend a few hundred to replace our antique CRT TV with something that is internet-capable.  Plus, I'm a little concerned that we might hit our ISP's data cap.  I'd be perfectly happy doing without TV altogether, but DW wouldn't go for it.

So there you have it.  After largely getting our life in good MMM shape, those are the areas where we haven't managed to do the full monty.

What about you?  Where do you still need to improve?

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Re: MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2016, 07:14:24 AM »
  • Growing own food more (just bought a house, so we can actually do this)
  • Credit card rewards (currently working on the Chase Sapphire Preferred, which is a pretty easy $600 cash back)
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  • Avoiding lifestyle creep with said house

We really don't spend all that much. Sure, we could cut another 10-20% from our budget, but I'm not sure the benefits are worth the effort at this point. Could pretty easily save $100 or so on entertainment and eating out per month, but our 2016 spending was on pace for about $24k/year as a couple (plus a bit of 1 time tuition).

It will be interesting to see how this changes with our house, as I expect total spending will go up some, but it will take a while to get everything dialed in with our house to get a good baseline.

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Re: MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2016, 07:14:49 AM »
I have a few big ones, one being cable. I still pay a chunk for it every month and justified it because I was home sick for several monthe laying in bed being bored out of my mind. It was worth every dollar while I was home. We also have too many cars and motorcycles. It's one of those things that makes us happy with the classic cars and we have built into our budget. We don't have a clothesline either. That being said, without the mortgage we only spend about $27k a year. We could always do better, but our hobbies and sanity are important too.

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MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2016, 07:16:44 AM »
$30k per year (excluding house) in a LCOL area seems like a ton of money to me, you might want to break down precisely your expenses if you want better feedback.
Wife and I live in Italy where costs are more or less comparable to a LCOL in the USA (I've just moved back from 6 years in the USA, so I know the country well) and we spend a little less than that, but $14000 is rent.
I cheat because my car and cell phone are paid for by my employer, but still.

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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2016, 07:33:45 AM »
I think you've done a good job of identifying your potential areas of improvement; it seems like changing your housing situation would have the most immediate impact and would lessen other related costs.  I'd focus there.

Re. your specific items:
Clothes drying - We dry all our clothes during off-peak hours to save on energy costs and supplement with an indoor drying rack.

Food - You might try having a "use it all up" stretch and see how it goes.  We like decent food too.  This time of year when the veggies come on we try to lighten up on what we eat for dinner.  We do a lot of all-veggie evening meals.  We feel better too.

A/C - It sounds like you've struck a good compromise there.  We leave ours turned on due to allergies and humidity, so I understand what you're saying.


We still have a number of unmustachian habits, and I suppose we can all justify about anything.  We keep Dish Network.  I commute to a job (we live in a rural area where jobs aren't plentiful).  But we're saving 60% of our income and see an end in sight, so I try not to drive us crazy.  There's an inverted U curve with this stuff.  And some point, you've done all the optimizing you can and maybe up to that point it's a fun challenge.  After awhile, the enjoyment falls off and if it's a drudgery I think you've gone to far.

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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2016, 07:47:01 AM »
We have way more subscriptions than I would like: Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, Spotify, etc. Each one doesn't add up to all that much, but together?

My husband just cancelled Tivo and the paper newspaper subscription this week, so that's a step in the right direction.

We also could work on allocating our investments better so that every six months, we don't look at our checking account and realize, "Shit, there's 12K in there. Where did that come from?" #MMMproblems

Hey, at least we're not spending it on stupid shit, right? Well, minus the subscriptions and the lazy eating out we still do.

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Re: MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2016, 08:13:18 AM »
Hey OP, I use an indoor collapsible laundry hanging rack. It extends the life of my clothes :)

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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2016, 10:01:54 AM »
Okay, so first off:

The layout of our steep, wooded property

This is a 'problem' I hope to have by the end of this year, myself ;) Jealous!

So I'm not a 'MMM' veteran per se, but I am a frugality veteran. (I only found the blog earlier this year, but reading through it was one of those fun little confirmation-bias exercises - "yep, doing that" repeated tons of times). And yet, in the War Against Spending Too Much Money On Shit, I have many (many!) more battles to fight.

Here are some of mine, because I think this is a good thread in which to 'fess up:

 - I don't put enough into taxable investments. If I'm going to become FI in a decade I need to up my contributions to those, at the expense of tax-deferred if necessary, because I'm gonna need $ in 10 years, not when I'm 65.
 - Even with a new Quit Eating Out regime, I dine out once a week and have one 'fancy coffee' type treat per week. This adds up to $150 to my monthly food bill, which is a grossly disproportionate cost. I'd like to cut this down further.
 - I tend to buy things from Goodwill etc that I don't strictly need, sometimes. Having too much stuff is still a problem even if it only cost a buck!
 - I still have a couple high-dollar items that I haven't sold to convert to investment capital, simply because of inertia (read: laziness). In fact, THIS VERY DAY I'm going to take pictures of a couple of them!
 - I haven't been motivated enough to get side hustles going. There are a few things I've thought of doing and made zero forward movement on.
 - I still drive too much and don't bike or walk around town enough. Even with a ~70mpg car, it still adds up.

Thanks for posting this thread, OP! It's always good to have a venue in which to call oneself out. :)

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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2016, 10:18:07 AM »
We're already FIRE. The only thing we don't have is a house. We had saved up money for one, but even in a LCOL area it wasn't quite enough for what we want if we want to pay for a house 100% in cash. It's way more than enough if we want a mortgage, but we realized in FIRE that the only reason renting doesn't work is we want to improve our monthly cash flow. Having paid off housing will WAY more than fix that.

So husband is temporarily going back to work ONLY for that specific goal. Since all of our living expenses are already covered with our FIRE budget, he can put 100% of his income towards the house fund. He'll probably beef up our FIRE budget a bit too while he's at it.

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Re: MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2016, 11:32:20 AM »
We still spend too much on travel. $9404 last year between the two of us. I can't even say travel as a whole - it's flights specifically that are murdering us. Once we get there we tend to do quite well. I'm recently discovered YVR Deals, and that dude finds some crazy shit, so I'll try to start following his stuff more regularly.

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Re: MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2016, 11:39:54 AM »
$30k per year (excluding house) in a LCOL area seems like a ton of money to me, you might want to break down precisely your expenses if you want better feedback.
Wife and I live in Italy where costs are more or less comparable to a LCOL in the USA (I've just moved back from 6 years in the USA, so I know the country well) and we spend a little less than that, but $14000 is rent.
I cheat because my car and cell phone are paid for by my employer, but still.

I wasn't really looking for specific feedback on my situation.  I track everything closely enough that I pretty much know where the leaks are.  Outside of housing, we're at the point where we need to make a dozen little improvements in various aspects of the problem areas to see much of a difference.  That's where the hard work lies.

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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2016, 11:42:44 AM »
Hey OP, I use an indoor collapsible laundry hanging rack. It extends the life of my clothes :)

We used to have one of those.  I think it fell apart at some point.  Might need to look into getting another one.

We do hang clothes from various fixtures in the house in the winter when the indoor humidity is low.

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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2016, 04:15:05 PM »
I love this exercise...I currently really enjoy my job and have no plans on leaving, even though we're approaching/at FI.  Its nice to think about what small changes I'd make if I wasn't working tomorrow:

Cars:  We have a 10 and 15 year old vehicle, but they ain't fuel efficient.  We drive less than 15,000 miles combined, but we could save money by selling one and getting a compact car.  I probably need to go drop collision/comprehensive insurance at this point.

Cable:  Yeah, $1200/year out the door.

Clothes Drying:  We use a drying rack for a lot of stuff, but still use the dryer

Housing:  Currently in a high COL area and my small 3br house sits on an expensive lot.  I'll move if I retire, property taxes are a beating

Travel:  Yeah, that one isn't coming down.  Part of the reason I'm choosing to double the stash is funds for travel (on top of loving my current job).

Charity:  I could cut this back, part of it is related to community outreach work I do professionally.




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Re: MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2016, 05:51:18 PM »
We still spend too much on travel. $9404 last year between the two of us. I can't even say travel as a whole - it's flights specifically that are murdering us. Once we get there we tend to do quite well. I'm recently discovered YVR Deals, and that dude finds some crazy shit, so I'll try to start following his stuff more regularly.

I'm hoping you are also getting a lot of flights for cheap from reward points, because you are pretty much the exact person who would benefit from meeting credit card signup bonus criteria.

If not you should seriously look into it.

- I don't put enough into taxable investments. If I'm going to become FI in a decade I need to up my contributions to those, at the expense of tax-deferred if necessary, because I'm gonna need $ in 10 years, not when I'm 65.

This is a good reminder, I need at some point to put a better plan together for what a ER strategy would look like. Right now we're early enough (like 7x expenses saved at most) that it doesn't matter so the massive tax savings on a pretax 401k/IRA are great. But eventually I will need to figure out a more comprehensive plan for how to accumulate enough money. Maybe it's rentals, maybe it's taxable, maybe it's eating the 10% early withdrawal penalty and continuing to stuff pretax, maybe it's Roth principle. Not sure but definitely need a plan for this eventually.

Hard to really do though with ER being 10+ years away and not having any clue what tax code will look like, though.

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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2016, 06:11:18 PM »
Dude, don't move just to save a bit of money, especially if you are happy.  You get one go around, don't be miserable to be miserly.  But yeah, cut the cable, be happy.

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« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2016, 06:20:16 PM »
Dude, don't move just to save a bit of money, especially if you are happy.  You get one go around, don't be miserable to be miserly.

A-freaking-men. This is why I'm still living in the country despite that I know full well moving to within a couple miles of my work would make great financial sense. I would give up a tremendous amount of quality-of-life to do so and, having run the numbers, find that I'm prepared to pay that literal price.

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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2016, 02:05:45 AM »
This is going to sound braggy, but please bear with me. I've been following MMM since close to the very beginning, though it took me a while to discover, then have the nerve to delurk in, the forum. I'm FIRE since 2012, and I worry about nothing. I'm not working on anything, either. Zip. Zero. Nada. Don't have to because this shit works. See, it's not about me, it's Pete's praises I'm singing.

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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2016, 02:13:33 AM »
This is going to sound braggy, but please bear with me. I've been following MMM since close to the very beginning, though it took me a while to discover, then have the nerve to delurk in, the forum. I'm FIRE since 2012, and I worry about nothing. I'm not working on anything, either. Zip. Zero. Nada. Don't have to because this shit works. See, it's not about me, it's Pete's praises I'm singing.

That is where I'd like to be. I'm working on getting to that state of mind :D

Seriously though, I am working on acquiring more income. There's a point at which you've cut out the majority of crap spending and can't do more without compromising standard of living.

At that point, the only way to get to FIRE quicker is to get more income or take a punt on investments.

I am also working on acquiring a second income...hoping it won't be too long before I meet that person   ;)

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« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2016, 04:37:46 AM »
Dude, don't move just to save a bit of money, especially if you are happy.  You get one go around, don't be miserable to be miserly.

A-freaking-men. This is why I'm still living in the country despite that I know full well moving to within a couple miles of my work would make great financial sense. I would give up a tremendous amount of quality-of-life to do so and, having run the numbers, find that I'm prepared to pay that literal price.

I'm actually in a great location now, which is what makes it so hard to think about moving.  Country setting, but within walking distance to work and town.  The only reason I'm considering moving is that the house is simply too big.

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« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2016, 05:11:31 AM »
Years into MMM & what am I still working on?
Getting my (spendypants!) dear husband on-board!  It's tough rowing this boat with just one oar.

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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2016, 05:12:28 AM »
We still spend too much on travel. $9404 last year between the two of us. I can't even say travel as a whole - it's flights specifically that are murdering us. Once we get there we tend to do quite well. I'm recently discovered YVR Deals, and that dude finds some crazy shit, so I'll try to start following his stuff more regularly.

I'm hoping you are also getting a lot of flights for cheap from reward points, because you are pretty much the exact person who would benefit from meeting credit card signup bonus criteria.

If not you should seriously look into it.

- I don't put enough into taxable investments. If I'm going to become FI in a decade I need to up my contributions to those, at the expense of tax-deferred if necessary, because I'm gonna need $ in 10 years, not when I'm 65.

This is a good reminder, I need at some point to put a better plan together for what a ER strategy would look like. Right now we're early enough (like 7x expenses saved at most) that it doesn't matter so the massive tax savings on a pretax 401k/IRA are great. But eventually I will need to figure out a more comprehensive plan for how to accumulate enough money. Maybe it's rentals, maybe it's taxable, maybe it's eating the 10% early withdrawal penalty and continuing to stuff pretax, maybe it's Roth principle. Not sure but definitely need a plan for this eventually.

Hard to really do though with ER being 10+ years away and not having any clue what tax code will look like, though.

Will a Roth conversion ladder or taking 72t distributions help you continue sheltering and still gain access to sheltered accounts early? 

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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2016, 05:27:12 AM »
Health and de-cluttering.  Lifetime pursuits!

YES!!  Exactly. 
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Recently, felt like I'm "getting soft & squishy" so I've stepped up my game at the gym.  Ditched the slow, lazy cardio for high intensity intervals.  And upped my weight lifting from light at many reps, to heavy weights with low reps. 
I've already lost 11 pounds & made terrific fitness gains!

Also, I'm on a 100 day "get rid of one thing every day" challenge.  Turns out while you're looking for the One Thing to donate/ recycle/ trash, usually more items show up to be cleared out. 

I've done this challenge once before with splendid success.  The house feels lighter, cleaner & more spacious with less stuff.  It naturally curtails any shopping/ buying because I don't want to re-fill my home or add more to a landfill. 

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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2016, 05:53:20 AM »
Could you buy a window or portable unit for the bedroom so that at night when you want things at their coolest you are only cooling your bedroom? You'd need to run the numbers to see if the cost of the unit is going to offer the cost of the saved electricity, but it might be worthwhile, especially if you can find a gently used unit for sale.

I dont' know that we have one problem area.  There's been some lifestyle creep lately, largely related to a huge international move where we started just hitting the easy button and throwing money at some of the issues.  We are here now, though still far from settled (still living in a hotel with a very badly stocked kitchen).  So it's time to make sure we don't make those changes in to habits. 

We also need to work on fitness and meal planning (to avoid processed foods or even occasionally--gasp!--take out).

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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2016, 08:12:00 AM »
Great post, Monkey Uncle.  I have been hanging around here for 3 years now and only got to cancelling cable earlier this year.   And only said good bye to Verizon 3 months ago!

A big item on my list still needing improvement is clothes/shoes shopping!  I also have a couple of other "money sucking monsters" but they are temporary in nature with built-in end dates: expensive condo in HCOL where I live now that will be sold when I FIRE in 2018 and a master's program for my daughter (she is due to graduate in 2017).  Relating to the condo, I do use my clothes dryer, so that is another expense that will go away.

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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2016, 09:10:14 AM »
We're not working on reducing spending per se; mostly, I'm just tracking our average spending habits against our stash, to see what number to set to pull the trigger. We've adjusted our spending downward a lot in the last 6 months, so it's still too soon to get a clear idea of our new monthly spending averages.

The way I see it, money is for spending on things that matter. The trick is in identifying what really matters and what doesn't, not in generally reducing spending all around.

We rarely dine out, but we still spend big on pre-packaged food, because we don't have time to cook a lot with 2 full-time jobs. We cut cable a few months ago, but we spend on Netflix and Amazon Prime because they have utility for us. I'm not looking to reduce or eliminate those. And we still spend on comic books and natural supplements; again, not looking to cut back, just to assess how that spending affects how big the stash has to be for us to fire.

Mostly what I'm really working on is figuring out how much we really need to FIRE, given that our medical expenses will rise significantly when we do.

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« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2016, 11:08:07 AM »
Great post, Monkey Uncle.  I have been hanging around here for 3 years now and only got to cancelling cable earlier this year.   And only said good bye to Verizon 3 months ago!

A big item on my list still needing improvement is clothes/shoes shopping!  I also have a couple of other "money sucking monsters" but they are temporary in nature with built-in end dates: expensive condo in HCOL where I live now that will be sold when I FIRE in 2018 and a master's program for my daughter (she is due to graduate in 2017).  Relating to the condo, I do use my clothes dryer, so that is another expense that will go away.

We have a "money-sucking monster" too - she's 14 and going into 9th grade. ;)

We are working on mindful spending at the moment. We've designated this month No-Buy July, with an eye toward postponing "nonessentials" until August. We've been eating out of the pantry and freezer, watching Netflix instead of going to the summer blockbusters (not really a hardship this summer - I don't feel like I missed out on much), and checking ebooks out from the library instead of buying our summer reading.

For many of y'all, these are no-brainers. For us, they're a paradigm shift. Baby steps and all.

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« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2016, 10:21:37 PM »
Well, I kinda lied. I was working on something. I'm on the Library Foundation Board, and today we hosted our donor thank you event. A picnic in the park adjacent to the library, followed by a program celebrating the centennial of the National Park System. Seventy-odd donors and board members. A lovely, cool evening. Hot dogs, salads, cookies and root beer floats. When it was time to move into the library, no one wanted to leave. It was homemade, mustachian magic in my home town. Fucking magic, and I get to do things like this because I'm FIRE.

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« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2016, 11:42:50 PM »
Well, I kinda lied. I was working on something. I'm on the Library Foundation Board

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Fucking magic

This juxtaposition amuses me greatly, for some reason. "That's right, SUCKERS! Here on the motherfucking Library Foundation Board we make that magic happen!!"

(Seriously, great post!)

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Re: MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2016, 12:08:19 AM »
If your house is the only thing keeping you from FIRE can I ask why you are so set on at least three bedrooms and two baths when you are just two people? Even if your son stopped over the second room would be plenty and the second bathroom isn't always needed though a one and a half bath is nice.

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« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2016, 04:38:01 AM »
Years into MMM & what am I still working on?
Getting my (spendypants!) dear husband on-board!  It's tough rowing this boat with just one oar.

There's a sticky for that somewhere (in ask a mustachian, maybe?).

Anyway, I hear what you're saying.  Although my wife is in no way a spendypants, she isn't quite as frugal as I am in several areas (see AC and food in the OP).  I just try to keep nudging without provoking an all-out war.  Once I FIRE and have more time on my hands, I'm hoping to worm my way into doing more of the grocery/household products shopping.

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Re: MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2016, 04:39:27 AM »
Could you buy a window or portable unit for the bedroom so that at night when you want things at their coolest you are only cooling your bedroom? You'd need to run the numbers to see if the cost of the unit is going to offer the cost of the saved electricity, but it might be worthwhile, especially if you can find a gently used unit for sale.

I dont' know that we have one problem area.  There's been some lifestyle creep lately, largely related to a huge international move where we started just hitting the easy button and throwing money at some of the issues.  We are here now, though still far from settled (still living in a hotel with a very badly stocked kitchen).  So it's time to make sure we don't make those changes in to habits. 

We also need to work on fitness and meal planning (to avoid processed foods or even occasionally--gasp!--take out).

We really wouldn't want to give up one of our bedroom windows.  We do get occasional nights in the summer when it's cool enough to turn of the AC and open the windows.

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Re: MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2016, 04:40:42 AM »
If your house is the only thing keeping you from FIRE can I ask why you are so set on at least three bedrooms and two baths when you are just two people? Even if your son stopped over the second room would be plenty and the second bathroom isn't always needed though a one and a half bath is nice.

We've also been keeping an eye out for 2 br and 1-1 1/2 bath places.  There just aren't very many of them out there, especially on the type of property we're looking for.

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« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2016, 04:41:24 AM »
Another thing I'm working on -- how the hell do I multi-quote in one post?  :)

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Re: MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2016, 02:44:17 PM »
Could you buy a window or portable unit for the bedroom so that at night when you want things at their coolest you are only cooling your bedroom? You'd need to run the numbers to see if the cost of the unit is going to offer the cost of the saved electricity, but it might be worthwhile, especially if you can find a gently used unit for sale.

I dont' know that we have one problem area.  There's been some lifestyle creep lately, largely related to a huge international move where we started just hitting the easy button and throwing money at some of the issues.  We are here now, though still far from settled (still living in a hotel with a very badly stocked kitchen).  So it's time to make sure we don't make those changes in to habits. 

We also need to work on fitness and meal planning (to avoid processed foods or even occasionally--gasp!--take out).

We really wouldn't want to give up one of our bedroom windows.  We do get occasional nights in the summer when it's cool enough to turn of the AC and open the windows.

You can get standalone ones which vent, too. Probably less efficient but might be more workable.

Another thing I'm working on -- how the hell do I multi-quote in one post?  :)

There is an "insert quote" button on the thread preview you see when you are typing a response. Click "insert quote" as many times as you want :)

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Re: MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2016, 04:05:22 PM »
Love this thread. I've been following for just over a year now. I will never be as badass as MMM or many on here, but I do pretty well. I've always been frugal, I grew up not having much money so I figured out ways to maximize. I've also always been a DIY type person so I don't really spend much on any type of services. I've also been one that doesn't need a fancy hotel, I figure I plan to be out having fun and just need a clean place to crash when I travel. When I was in the Marine Corps friends thought I was weird when I figured out which meal to choose based on bang for you buck when they would just order whatever they wanted. I was usually also the one they came to for a loan when they ran out of money.

So to answer the original question, I'm still working on not buying shit I don't need. The one place I really struggle is being a consumer sucker when it comes to stuff. It's just been something I really struggle with especially when it's a good deal, it's like I can't help myself sometimes. Most of the time it doesn't really make me any happier either so then I have the regret later for spending the money. I try to push myself to think more about purchases and that does help. I can also go really long spurts sometimes, but then I relapse for a bit. Still trying to find the cycle so I can break it.

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Re: MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2016, 06:06:41 PM »
Confession.....I just picked up and grilled a steak and potato that cost a ridiculous $12.  I guess I spend too much on food.

Can't remember the last time I had a steak, so good, so worth it.  Please forgive me.

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Re: MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2016, 06:21:38 PM »
We still spend too much on travel. $9404 last year between the two of us. I can't even say travel as a whole - it's flights specifically that are murdering us. Once we get there we tend to do quite well. I'm recently discovered YVR Deals, and that dude finds some crazy shit, so I'll try to start following his stuff more regularly.
What is YVR? A quick Google search didn't give me an answer.

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Re: MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2016, 07:25:42 PM »
We still spend too much on travel. $9404 last year between the two of us. I can't even say travel as a whole - it's flights specifically that are murdering us. Once we get there we tend to do quite well. I'm recently discovered YVR Deals, and that dude finds some crazy shit, so I'll try to start following his stuff more regularly.
What is YVR? A quick Google search didn't give me an answer.

YVR is the call sign for the Vancouver Airport. Or whatever you call it. YVR Deals is this local blogger who finds insane flight deals out of Vancouver to pretty much everywhere in the world, including my favourite type - open-jawed flights, which is a round trip with a different middle city, like Vancouver > Singapore, Kuala Lumpur > Vancouver (which I did in January).

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« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2016, 09:32:24 PM »
I wouldn't say we're a lean, mean, ultra-Mustachian household, but we're relatively frugal and non-spendy.  We optimize what we want and find a balance that works for us.  So there's a whole bunch of stuff that could be cut that I won't list because, realistically, it won't get touched, but here are some things that will (and are).

Recent: learning to make more foods we used to buy ready-made or order in restaurants.  In the past few months we've made pulled pork, steak sandwiches, kettle corn, cold brew coffee, brownies, and started up baking various breads again.  None of them are hard, it's just getting in the habit of learning and doing.  There's definitely more we can do here, but already we are saving on eating out or buying pre-made treats.

Ongoing: reducing spending on gifts.  I've been requesting no presents be bought for me for my birthday, Mother's Day, etc.  I've been gifting booze to DH (which saves on the alcohol budget); pretty soon DD will be old enough to make gifts to give (frugal, meaningful, and what dad doesn't want a macaroni-covered jar to use as a pencil holder?)
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Re: MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2016, 01:26:47 AM »
I'm waiting out this election year and waiting out the next recession.   Hopefully i don't wait much more than two years.   Th3 election could determine health care policy as well as the timing and duration of the next recession.   I want to weather the recession while still working.  Healthcare hopefully becomes more early retirement friendly. 

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« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2016, 04:30:29 AM »
Love this thread. I've been following for just over a year now. I will never be as badass as MMM or many on here, but I do pretty well. I've always been frugal, I grew up not having much money so I figured out ways to maximize. I've also always been a DIY type person so I don't really spend much on any type of services. I've also been one that doesn't need a fancy hotel, I figure I plan to be out having fun and just need a clean place to crash when I travel. When I was in the Marine Corps friends thought I was weird when I figured out which meal to choose based on bang for you buck when they would just order whatever they wanted. I was usually also the one they came to for a loan when they ran out of money.

So to answer the original question, I'm still working on not buying shit I don't need. The one place I really struggle is being a consumer sucker when it comes to stuff. It's just been something I really struggle with especially when it's a good deal, it's like I can't help myself sometimes. Most of the time it doesn't really make me any happier either so then I have the regret later for spending the money. I try to push myself to think more about purchases and that does help. I can also go really long spurts sometimes, but then I relapse for a bit. Still trying to find the cycle so I can break it.

Sounds like you really enjoy finding a good deal, and that can lead you to buy just for the thrill of buying something at a good price.  Can you channel that into helping your less frugal friends find good deals instead of buying things for yourself?

There is an "insert quote" button on the thread preview you see when you are typing a response. Click "insert quote" as many times as you want :)

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Re: MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2016, 06:54:47 AM »
I'm still working on my stash.
Most recently I've started learning about collecting points on credit card deals.
And I'm still decluttering the house...I've let that slip lately.

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Re: MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2016, 10:17:28 AM »
This is a very encouraging thread. We have a few big wins (ditched cable a year ago; 1 car family (a plug-in Prius); solar panels cover all our electric consumption (including 11 miles a charge for the car!); no a/c), but still some areas for serious improvement.

-Food.  Oh, the lunches out at work. And the fancy cafes. And the dinners with friends.  We've cut back on random take-out and I've started packing my lunch at least sometimes, and our grocery bill is a not-too-shabby $300 a month. But, man, the restaurant food is still way out of control.

-Travel. Someone here mentioned the cost of flights.  Boy howdy.  Almost all of our family and friends are scattered across the country, so if we're going to see them, we're flying.  It's worth it to let the little ones spend time with their grandparents, but it's still expensive and stressful.

-Commute. I live 5 miles from work. I could totally bike if I was a badass, and save $84.50 a month on my transit pass. But I am lame and scared of the traffic.

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Re: MMM veterans - what are you still working on?
« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2016, 06:01:33 PM »
Love this thread. I've been following for just over a year now. I will never be as badass as MMM or many on here, but I do pretty well. I've always been frugal, I grew up not having much money so I figured out ways to maximize. I've also always been a DIY type person so I don't really spend much on any type of services. I've also been one that doesn't need a fancy hotel, I figure I plan to be out having fun and just need a clean place to crash when I travel. When I was in the Marine Corps friends thought I was weird when I figured out which meal to choose based on bang for you buck when they would just order whatever they wanted. I was usually also the one they came to for a loan when they ran out of money.

So to answer the original question, I'm still working on not buying shit I don't need. The one place I really struggle is being a consumer sucker when it comes to stuff. It's just been something I really struggle with especially when it's a good deal, it's like I can't help myself sometimes. Most of the time it doesn't really make me any happier either so then I have the regret later for spending the money. I try to push myself to think more about purchases and that does help. I can also go really long spurts sometimes, but then I relapse for a bit. Still trying to find the cycle so I can break it.

Sounds like you really enjoy finding a good deal, and that can lead you to buy just for the thrill of buying something at a good price.  Can you channel that into helping your less frugal friends find good deals instead of buying things for yourself?

Excellent idea and I already do it. I've actually reigned things in quite a bit, I just still lapse every once in a while.