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General Discussion => Welcome and General Discussion => Topic started by: 2lazy2retire on August 19, 2015, 01:52:24 PM
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Over recent months I have noticed a big jump in the number of articles pertaining to frugality appearing in what one might refer to as the WallStreet media -such publications as Bloomberg and the WSJ.
Bloggers well known on this site are now becoming household names with interest from mainstream publications and TV. Now it might well be and most likely is the result of their growing popularity that has garnered this attention not to mention the clikbait factor "Man retires at 30" etc.
But the cynic in me wonders if something darker is afoot here. Is there a hidden agenda to suggest to the shrinking middle classes that they only need 30K a year to live, or living below the poverty line is fine, or an increase in minimum wage is totally not needed, or even having a job is foolish, or maybe they are setting an expectation for the inevitable Guaranteed Minimum Income as automation eliminates jobs. Meanwhile the 1% will be happy to carry the burden of that extra wealth so the rest of us can enjoy our frugal freedom.
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I don't know that "household names" is quite the case yet. I think the stories are interesting because they are so unusual. I don't see a widespread movement towards frugality. But certainly more popular than the near-0% that people were talking about early retirement before.
Your conspiracy theory is an interesting thought. But I can't imagine it's at all coordinated. Yet. :)
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There's cynical, and then there's conspiracy theory. This is firmly the latter.
Besides, the rich stay rich because people spend. They have nothing to gain from a grassroots movement encouraging frugality. I believe the media attention is in response to the growing belief that retirement is impossible. It gets clicks to say that the thing people think is impossible is not only possible to do, but possible to do *early*.
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MMM's blog discusses, among other things, spending relatively small amounts of money. At no point does he advocate earning small amounts of money during one's working career. In fact, he has several blog posts discussing how to achieve a higher level of income. This is basically a complete response to the OP.
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I don't think it's a deliberate conspiracy any more today than it was a hundred years ago. The rich are always trying to convince the poor that being poor is an okay thing.
If anything, I think the anti consumerist philosophy hurts their propaganda. They want to convince people to stay poor by spending their entire paycheck trying to look rich, to blow it all on shiny new phones and cars and granite kitchens instead of amassing any real wealth.
If MMM convinces people to be happy being poor, that supports the plutocracy. If he convinced people to get rich by giving less money to the rich people who sell that stuff, that undermines the conspiracy. But I agree it's a subtle distinction.
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MMM (a/k/a "Pete") and the other fixtures of the wider FIRE blogosphere are all fabrications concocted by the narrow slice of capitalist industry that actually benefits from their perceived existence, including, but not limited to, lentil bean producers, bicycle manufacturers and the mutual fund industry. The recent blitzkrieg promotion in the Wall Street media, itself also orchestrated by the various trade groups representing these industries, reflects a campaign to expand the conspiracy's reach.
Trust no one.
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People are always looking for something new, and the FIRE scheme pushed by MMM and others is something relatively new to the MSM. So they push it rather than recycle the same crap over and over.
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Click bait.
They spew out thousands of what they call "Articles" every single day. They need junk to write about. I think it's that simple. Or....
Trust no one.
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The current game will be up as automation eliminates the jobs of those whose consumer spending feeds the wealth of the 1%.
As the head of the automobile workers union reportedly once retorted to management when implicitly threatened with the possibility of automating the entire factory floor, "And will the robots buy your cars?"
As the jobs dry up and the smell of revolt is in the air the focus of the privileged will change from accumulation and growth to preservation. As we approach this paradigm shift the focus must be to convince the proletariat that their needs may be met but their expectations will need to be managed.
There's a tragedy of the commons problem in there. The "privileged" are not a unified block, and each self-interested member of that class will seek to maximize his own profits in the economy as it exists today, despite the fact that that behavior will in the long term collectively endanger the position of the plutocracy as a whole.
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I don't think there's much to this - in part because those stories seem to be balanced with others explaining how it's superhard to scrape by on just $250k per year. And they need to keep those stories in circulation, so the rest of us understand why a progressive tax structure is such a hardship for high income earners, what with having to pay for private schools and nannies and monogrammed built in BBQ's at their summer houses.
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I believe the media attention is in response to the growing belief that retirement is impossible. It gets clicks to say that the thing people think is impossible is not only possible to do, but possible to do *early*.
Definitely this. There have also been a rise in articles touting the Looming Retirement Crisis™ so the early retirement articles are the natural contradiction to those.
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There's a tragedy of the commons problem in there.
I'm not sure that watching an exploitive plutocracy self-destruct is really a tragedy, if it is replaced with a newly rejuvenated middle class and a broadly rising standard of living.
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It always strikes me that the voice behind the "You'll never be able to save enough to retire. You must.keep.working." threat is the oh-so-powerful Financial Industry. Workers tend to save while they're working and then stop saving and start spending in retirement. The Financial Industry wants you scared and working as long as possible so they can continue to have a slice of your pie.
The MMM movement throws a monkeywrench into that negative/scare the shit-out-of-you/you need us to tell you what to do because you can't manage it yourself kind of thinking.
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There is not something darker afoot, it’s just an observation of the larger change that’s happening in Media. You noticed MMM topics more in financial media, because they happen to write on financial subjects. The trend to publish these types of stories however is increasing on all traditional media. Producers of media watch social media to see people’s interests, and then publish articles to drive visitors to their sites. Frugality has been increasing since the most recent economic crisis so it gets more publication.
Writing about bloggers is a symbiotic relationship. The media concern gets a mostly pre-packaged story along with a willing interviewee who knows how to answer questions in an interesting manner. The blogger gets more attention and resulting traffic to their site.
It’s no different than all the upcoming entrepreneur articles that started appearing in publications in the early 90s and have grown steadily ever since. There is no conspiracy that the 1% is trying to get everyone to be self-employed, it’s just an easy way to write a story that catches the interest in a significant amount of people and those who have started the companies are willing participants in the story.
Frugality isn’t the only thing trending. If you look you’ll also see a lot of these short articles appearing in traditional media about Digital Nomads, significant weight loss, people who live in tiny houses or do other ‘unusual’ things for environmental principles, etc. All-in-all, it’s not a bad thing that attention is given to these items. At the very least they replace some of the stories about whatever celebrity’s new cosmetic surgery.
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MMM (a/k/a "Pete") and the other fixtures of the wider FIRE blogosphere are all fabrications concocted by the narrow slice of capitalist industry that actually benefits from their perceived existence, including, but not limited to, lentil bean producers, bicycle manufacturers and the mutual fund industry. The recent blitzkrieg promotion in the Wall Street media, itself also orchestrated by the various trade groups representing these industries, reflects a campaign to expand the conspiracy's reach.
Trust no one.
THIS. The lentil people are obviously behind it!
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MMM (a/k/a "Pete") and the other fixtures of the wider FIRE blogosphere are all fabrications concocted by the narrow slice of capitalist industry that actually benefits from their perceived existence, including, but not limited to, lentil bean producers, bicycle manufacturers and the mutual fund industry. The recent blitzkrieg promotion in the Wall Street media, itself also orchestrated by the various trade groups representing these industries, reflects a campaign to expand the conspiracy's reach.
Trust no one.
THIS. The lentil people are obviously behind it!
When will people begin to understand the dangers of Big Lentil?
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Saw an article today http://cashvilleskyline.com/2015/08/12/frugality/ from Cashville Skyline. People are simply fascinated by this idea of frugality, but few are willing to do anything about it.
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There's a tragedy of the commons problem in there.
I'm not sure that watching an exploitive plutocracy self-destruct is really a tragedy, if it is replaced with a newly rejuvenated middle class and a broadly rising standard of living.
Big assumptions, there.
Rapid revolutions are very problematic because the old jerks on top are replaced by the new jerks on top.
As I get ever older I become ever more of an incrementalist. I favor small changes to level out the playing field.
Like moving towards an actual (as opposed to nominal) progressive tax regime, aggresdively raising the minimum wage, paying the middle class for overtime, and ensuring that everyone has health care.
Slow change that's the key.
I think Nick Hanauer hits all the right notes and highly recommend this podcast.
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/06/mib-nick-hanauer-early-internet-adopter/
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Whoa, slow down there. Let's catch our breath and break this down.
But the cynic in me wonders if something darker is afoot here. Is there a hidden agenda to suggest to the shrinking middle classes that they only need 30K a year to live, or living below the poverty line is fine, or an increase in minimum wage is totally not needed, or even having a job is foolish, or maybe they are setting an expectation for the inevitable Guaranteed Minimum Income as automation eliminates jobs. Meanwhile the 1% will be happy to carry the burden of that extra wealth so the rest of us can enjoy our frugal freedom.
Like most conspiracies, I think you are half right. I wouldn't use the phrase "hidden agenda" but it is the US culture for people to blame themselves for anything, including decreasing living standards. Part of the protestant work ethic. If you are not making money, it's your own fault. Take this article:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-6-million-americans-rather-110004086.html
It's how 6 million people "prefer" part time work. Do they really prefer it or have they convinced themselves they do because they can't find a high quality middle class job? I can just see my boss 5 years from now saying "hey mozar, we are moving you to part time, we find that people prefer it!" But I will not be given a choice. The same with finding your "passion." I do see it as an excuse for employers not to pay better. And all the while, all jobs are being automated. The article says that by 2020 40% of jobs will be part time. The article says it will be by "choice," I see it as another 10%+ of jobs will be automated by then, and we have to blame ourselves somehow.
I think MMM combats that by saying that we can take control of our financial futures.
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Left wing loonies will inevitably believe MMM is a plutocrat plot to brainwash the masses they should be satisfied with low pay, blaming the victim, and failing to check privilege.
Right wing loonies will inevitably believe MMM is a communist plot to brainwash the masses to adopt communal world views, believe in climate change, and lower economic productivity by getting FIREd.
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I'm a left wing loony and I don't think that....
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But you forget the loonie logic native to all sides: if you claim to be part of X group but believe in Y then you aren't a true member of X.
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Who defines the relationship between x and y?
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Who defines the relationship between x and y?
Algebra.
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Well played.
But algebra is like the honey badger. It don't give a fuck.
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If you zoom in on MMM's left eye, you'll see IT'S THE EXACT SAME AS THE EYE ON THE DOLLAR BILL!
Wake up sheeple! MMM is an ILLUMINATI invention!
Something, something, Nazis!
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If you zoom in on MMM's left eye, you'll see IT'S THE EXACT SAME AS THE EYE ON THE DOLLAR BILL!
Wake up sheeple! MMM is an ILLUMINATI invention!
Something, something, Nazis!
You forgot to mention lizard people. Conspiracy theory fail.
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Case of the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon?
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When I started looking at houses, my Realtor told me that I would start noticing every for sale sign, it would seem like there were suddenly a ton of people in my circles talking about home ownership, and their perfect kitchen, and what they wanted in their next house, and I would see SO many billboards advertising mortgages. In reality, none of the rates of incidence went up for these things. I was just noticing more because it was on my radar.
I don't know how long you've been following MMM, but it is likely that you're just noticing more because suddenly frugality is on your radar...
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When I started looking at houses, my Realtor told me that I would start noticing every for sale sign, it would seem like there were suddenly a ton of people in my circles talking about home ownership, and their perfect kitchen, and what they wanted in their next house, and I would see SO many billboards advertising mortgages. In reality, none of the rates of incidence went up for these things. I was just noticing more because it was on my radar.
I don't know how long you've been following MMM, but it is likely that you're just noticing more because suddenly frugality is on your radar...
Yeah, this happened to me when I had a headlight go out in my car and I didn't get it fixed for two weeks. Now every third car seemed to have a headlight out as well.
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It all started with that fake moon landing. Don't believe me? Check the old tapes and you'll see the flag blowing and glare from the studio lights!
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It all started with that fake moon landing. Don't believe me? Check the old tapes and you'll see the flag blowing and glare from the studio lights!
I'm taking this as a joke. Please reassure me that I'm right bob W.
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It all started with that fake moon landing. Don't believe me? Check the old tapes and you'll see the flag blowing and glare from the studio lights!
I'm taking this as a joke. Please reassure me that I'm right bob W.
You never know with Bob. One day it's "vote for Trump!" and the next it's "Trump is one of the lizard people who secretly live inside the hollow earth!"
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It all started with that fake moon landing. Don't believe me? Check the old tapes and you'll see the flag blowing and glare from the studio lights!
I'm taking this as a joke. Please reassure me that I'm right bob W.
You never know with Bob. One day it's "vote for Trump!" and the next it's "Trump is one of the lizard people who secretly live inside the hollow earth!"
I don't see the conflict there. The second quote is just the reason why for the first quote.
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Even otherwise well educated and smart people don't think through all the information the finance industry puts out. I know someone who is moaning about his upcoming retirement (sometime in the next 2-3 years) because he hasn't saved up the $1.5 million he is "supposed" to have. This is someone who will get a partly-indexed pension at somewhere between 70-74% of the average of his best 5 years as a pension. He has also maxed out his RRSP (given, not a lot of RRSP room since there was all the work pension contribution). He is set. But because he hasn't thought it through, he is worried.
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I was just thinking the same thing about conspiracy a couple of days ago! Been seeing frugality articles everywhere.
However my idea was that it was Goldman Sachs trying to get everyone into index funds to make the market boom again since most people are shit scared of another crash.
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It all started with that fake moon landing. Don't believe me? Check the old tapes and you'll see the flag blowing and glare from the studio lights!
I'm taking this as a joke. Please reassure me that I'm right bob W.
You never know with Bob. One day it's "vote for Trump!" and the next it's "Trump is one of the lizard people who secretly live inside the hollow earth!"
Well I tend to keep an open mind about Conspiracy theories as not immediately not saying they are 100% true, but neither completely denying them.
There is an old saying there is fire if there is lots of smoke... but at same time problem is also some people jump to conclusions to easily.
Please be noted that I want nothing horrifying happening in the real world and I respect continents America, Europe, Asia, Australia...who seem at least partly depending on the country have ok economy.
I like to see Action and Horror movies..
Here is an interesting movie for those who want to dwell on conspiracy theories:
The Conspiracy (2012)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2330322/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Anyway I like Action and horror genre in general and I did this weekend see Crimson Peak at cinema and though it was a disappointment in horror factor it was fairly good mystery&and dark story.
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I was just thinking the same thing about conspiracy a couple of days ago! Been seeing frugality articles everywhere.
However my idea was that it was Goldman Sachs trying to get everyone into index funds to make the market boom again since most people are shit scared of another crash.
This to me is the best theory... But if it was true I think it would be more like what Dave Ramsey tries to pull: get people to buy expensive front loaded funds.
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I was walking my dog (wow, I only had one back then!) in the San Francisco Marina one day when I decided I 'had' to go down to Carmel to see a friend. That minute. Someone I hadn't seen in a while came up and asked me out to lunch, I said no thanks, going to visit somebody now. Got in the car and went.
An hour later that bigass earthquake happened and the Marina was a mess and half on fire, the bridge had a partial collapse, etc.
Were these two things connected? Nope. But I was pretty happy I wasn't in the Marina when it fell apart.
Sometimes, it doesn't matter why something causes you to do something---leave town, save for retirement, whatever---it just matters that you do it.
MMM ain't a conspiracy. But there are things on here that can help your financial situation, big time.
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To go with the conspiracy theory - it is the investment companies/banks - the guy I referred to above, who thinks he needs 1.5 million despite his good pension? He thinks he needs that because of bank ads and finance articles in the newspapers. He doesn't stop to think that they are talking about people who have no pension.
And look at the Financial Post articles about planning for retirement (some have been posted elsewhere) - the lifestyles these people are looking at in retirement are so unreal.
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You're giving the media too much credit here.
There's a follow-the-leader mentality. Producers and editors love to think of themselves as trend spotters when all they do is scan other media outlets and try to put another spin on them. The death of newspapers means TV "reporters" and most bloggers might have to do some original reporting.
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It's threads like this that make this site for me, such characters!
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If many people in the western world would stop consuming as much as we do, the economy would get hit. Companies would not be making enough money and the stock market would make a big dive. Maybe the environment would benefit from it. Many things, like pensions, are based on that the economy will grow. That means we will have to spend more and more money. We are doing the opposite.
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But the cynic in me wonders if something darker is afoot here. Is there a hidden agenda to suggest to the shrinking middle classes that they only need 30K a year to live, or living below the poverty line is fine, or an increase in minimum wage is totally not needed, or even having a job is foolish, or maybe they are setting an expectation for the inevitable Guaranteed Minimum Income as automation eliminates jobs. Meanwhile the 1% will be happy to carry the burden of that extra wealth so the rest of us can enjoy our frugal freedom.
"Guaranteed Minimum Income" - LOL
Maybe ration cards if the whole system falls apart, but GMI is a non starter, esp in the US.
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So nobody blames it on the Millennials? Gah!
Seriously, SOME of these MSM articles have value. Many read like advertisements with a lead in story about retirement.
The reader sees what they want to.
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I think it's the cookies. The more you click on financial articles, FIRE articles, the more the engines provide targeted content to match your desires. It's creepy. Like targeted advertising after you look at an item on amazon.
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I think it's the cookies. The more you click on financial articles, FIRE articles, the more the engines provide targeted content to match your desires. It's creepy. Like targeted advertising after you look at an item on amazon.
Get out of here with your logic.
Who eats cookies? Cookiemonster.
Sesame Street is behind it all. It can't be a coincidence that both they and wall street have 50% the same name.
TELL EVERYONE.
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It's threads like this that make this site for me, such characters!
I agree! Unexpected threads like this makes the site interesting.
As far as my two cents...I'd argue that minimalism is anti-consumerism. Consumerism is the engine that powers the economy..which feeds the companies that make the rich...well...rich! So no...not a conspiracy by any stretch! Interesting discussion anyway.
illuminati though...now there's a theory. :-)
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Its pretty easy to get/be rich, most people just don't want to actually do the work. Every now and then people rediscover mustachio principles.. but then a few days later they rediscover the small amount of work part. Hardly a conspiracy.
FWIW, I define rich as freedom and that comes well before ER/FI/triple mint mustache.
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I think its all a conspiracy by Big Avocado...they peddle these articles about how millennials will never retire because of avocado toast and what are you suddenly now craving? That's right. Smashed Avocado on whole grain bread.
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Lately I've been thinking MMM and those who are FI are like Bigfoot...
I haven't seen either of them in person, online photos of them are all slightly blurry(potentially photoshopped), they all seem to live somewhere undisclosed in the woods and the only solid evidence of their existence is facial hair(mustachians.)
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I always thought those articles came up because the spyware on my phone knows I read mmm and it is targeting me with articles I might be interested in.
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Guys . . . where is your chart? You can't have a conspiracy theory without a complicated chart showing tenuous linkages between things.
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Here are my thoughts about conspiracy theories.
I have breakfast twice a week with some friends, at every breakfast, one of my friends brings up a least two conspiracy theories.
He's an idiot!
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It's tough to wake up normies. Perhaps you could start by learning about the "all-seeing eye" and ask yourself why you see celebrities do it all the time (covering up one eye).
Oooh, tell me more. Why do they do it? Is it like a mind control thing? A shibboleth? Is it like that game where you make an ok symbol with one hand and trick your friends into looking at it?
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Isn't this because your browser is being tracked by google analytics? It puts up stories related to what you've read before.
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Sure, I'll tell you more. In case you didn't bother to read Podesta's emails released by wikileaks, many of them like going to spirit cooking dinners.
And spirit cooking is somehow related to Satanism?
So John Podesta is a Satanist? Is Hillary a Satanist too?
Is this the kind of satanism where they sacrifice children bathed in goat blood, or is it the kind of satanism that prevents parents from letting their kids read Harry Potter books.
This is all slightly humorous to me, since satanism isn't actually a thing. It was invented by some hippies as a protest movement, and has nothing at all to do with Satan as described in the bible. I recommend reading up on it, it's a surprising well-grounded philosophy of mental health and sefl-acceptance that has absolutely nothing to do with biblical characters.
Or, you know, Hillary cooked a satanic spirit dinner while wearing a secret ankle bracelet in the basement of a pizza parlor where a child sex ring was operating. Whatevs, man, you already swayed the election so I think we can let go of the crazy talk now.
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Sure, I'll tell you more. In case you didn't bother to read Podesta's emails released by wikileaks, many of them like going to spirit cooking dinners.
So John Podesta is a Satanist? Is Hillary a Satanist too?
Usually we fret they are called statists.
this, this is a whole new thing to worry about!
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Anyone with a personal interest in conspiracies should read the webpages of the smartest person on Earth for clarification on the matter.
http://timecube.2enp.com/ (http://timecube.2enp.com/)
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I think its all a conspiracy by Big Avocado...they peddle these articles about how millennials will never retire because of avocado toast and what are you suddenly now craving? That's right. Smashed Avocado on whole grain bread.
Exactly right, I never heard of Avacado Toast until that article.
Now I'm eating it regularly.
Thankfully I'm not a millennial, so I'll still be able to retire.
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I think its all a conspiracy by Big Avocado...they peddle these articles about how millennials will never retire because of avocado toast and what are you suddenly now craving? That's right. Smashed Avocado on whole grain bread.
Exactly right, I never heard of Avacado Toast until that article.
Now I'm eating it regularly.
Thankfully I'm not a millennial, so I'll still be able to retire.
I'm so relieved to know I'm not the only one who fell for this subtle social engineering campaign. I am a Gen-X with Millennial children, so when I make Avocado toast at home I make them eat oatmeal...just couldn't live with myself if I was the one that corrupted them and ruined their futures.
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This thread has become *almost* as interesting as the "top is in" thread. :-)
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I assumed those articles i keep seeing from the financial press were because some mustache person is working in global hyper mega news corp and is trying to let the world know on the LD there is another way than working for 50 years and have a retirement of shoulda, woulda , coulda .
It would be a shame if it's my google creepy cookie bot tailoring what i see .
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Sure, I'll tell you more. In case you didn't bother to read Podesta's emails released by wikileaks, many of them like going to spirit cooking dinners.
And spirit cooking is somehow related to Satanism?
So John Podesta is a Satanist? Is Hillary a Satanist too?
Is this the kind of satanism where they sacrifice children bathed in goat blood, or is it the kind of satanism that prevents parents from letting their kids read Harry Potter books.
This is all slightly humorous to me, since satanism isn't actually a thing. It was invented by some hippies as a protest movement, and has nothing at all to do with Satan as described in the bible. I recommend reading up on it, it's a surprising well-grounded philosophy of mental health and sefl-acceptance that has absolutely nothing to do with biblical characters.
Or, you know, Hillary cooked a satanic spirit dinner while wearing a secret ankle bracelet in the basement of a pizza parlor where a child sex ring was operating. Whatevs, man, you already swayed the election so I think we can let go of the crazy talk now.
What do you think of the podestas' taste in art? It is quite disturbing to say the least. But I'm sure non-pedophiles enjoy having art of children being bound and tied.
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There are still people around who believe in pizzagate?!? Ha!
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I have photographic proof that MMM is a reptilian! That's my conspiracy theory.
I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, but I do think there are trends like "tiny houses" that are an attempt to put a brave face on a not very hopeful situation for a lot of young folks.
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What do you think of the podestas' taste in art? It is quite disturbing to say the least. But I'm sure non-pedophiles enjoy having art of children being bound and tied.
Is anyone "normal" in DC?
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I think its all a conspiracy by Big Avocado...they peddle these articles about how millennials will never retire because of avocado toast and what are you suddenly now craving? That's right. Smashed Avocado on whole grain bread.
Exactly right, I never heard of Avacado Toast until that article.
Now I'm eating it regularly.
Thankfully I'm not a millennial, so I'll still be able to retire.
Some of the articles say I'm a millennial and some say I'm not. I'm going to take my chances with avocados.
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There are still people around who believe in pizzagate?!? Ha!
Pizzagate was a distraction so that when real stories come out about child abuse amoung the elite in Hollywood and Washington they will be dismissed as crazy conspiracy theories.
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It all started with that fake moon landing. Don't believe me? Check the old tapes and you'll see the flag blowing and glare from the studio lights!
Lol. This guy believes that the moon is real.
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2lazy2retire disappeared after uncovering this conspiracy...
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It all started with that fake moon landing. Don't believe me? Check the old tapes and you'll see the flag blowing and glare from the studio lights!
Lol. This guy believes that the moon is real.
Pull the wool from over your eyes sheeple, the moon IS real... but NOT the one the "government" wants you to see! Can only be seen with the naked eye during the solar eclipse, why else would Trump have taken such a long hard look? Also clear that they only accept Bitcoin on the moon, hence the concerted effort to keep Bitcoins out of the hands of the little people. No question that MMM built up years of credibility only to kill interest in Bitcoin.
Can we get more posts from the truly crazy on this thread? It is not fair that the "normies" should have to fill the void with joke posts. Though honestly I am only like 50% sure which is which...
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Can we get more posts from the truly crazy on this thread?
There's only one catch and that is Catch-22. Anyone who posts in this crazy thread has to be crazy. But a truly crazy person who believes in the MMM conspiracy theory would never post in this thread (lest they be disappeared like 2lazy2retire). So all of us must be sane. And crazy.
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YOU IGNORE 3 OF 4 DAYS -
FORCE 4 DAYS ON EARTH,
THEY ALREADY EXIST.
4 HORSEMEN HAVE 4 DAYS
IN ONLY 1 EARTH ROTATION.
4 ANGLES STOOD ON 4 CORNERS.
4 CORNERS ROTATE TO 16 CORNERS
WHICH EQUAL TO 4 CORNER DAYS.
TEACHERS ARE EVIL LIARS - THE
ONEness OF GOD IS STILLness DEATH.
YOU WERE ONEness RETARD ON THE
EARTH OPPOSITES ALL YOUR LIFE.
LOVE OF GOD IS HATE OF CHILDREN.
SUPPORT TIMECUBE OR BE CURSED.
EARTH HAS 4 CORNER
SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY
TIME CUBE
WITHIN SINGLE ROTATION.
4 CORNER DAYS PROVES 1
DAY 1 GOD IS TAUGHT EVIL.
IGNORANCE OF TIMECUBE4
SIMPLE MATH IS RETARDATION
AND EVIL EDUCATION DAMNATION.
CUBELESS AMERICANS DESERVE -
AND SHALL BE EXTERMINATED.
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I am a Knower of 4 corner
simultaneous 24 hour Days
that occur within a single
4 corner rotation of Earth.
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God guise for Queer
scam, enslaves 4 Day
cube brain as ONEist.
Vilify teachers - for
Queers swindle Tithe
from 1 Day Retarded
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Till You KNOW 4 Simultaneous Days
Rotate In Same 24 Hours Of Earth
You Don't Deserve To Live On Earth
Americans are actually RETARDED from
Religious Academia taught ONEism -upon
an Earth of opposite poles, covered by Mama
Hole and Papa Pole pulsating opposite sexes.
The ONEist educated with their flawed 1 eye
perspective (opposite eyes overlay) Cyclops
mentality, inflicts static non pulsating logos
as a fictitious queer same sex transformation.
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It Is The Absolute Verifiable Truth & Proven Fact
That Your Belly-Button Signature Ties
To Viviparous Mama.
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Life is pulsing opposite mirror Pairs,
Death is ONEness of Godism.
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ONE - DOES NOT EXIST,
EXCEPT IN DEATH STATE.
ONE IS A DEMONIC RELIGIOUS LIE.
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Until you can tear and burn the bible to
escape the EVIL ONE, it will be impossible
for your educated stupid brain to know that
4 different corner harmonic 24 hour Days
rotate simultaneously within a single 4
quadrant rotation of a squared equator
and cubed Earth. The Solar system, the
Universe, the Earth and all humans are
composed of + 0 - antipodes, and equal
to nothing if added as a ONE or Entity.
All Creation occurs between Opposites.
Academic ONEism destroys +0- brain.
If you would acknowledge
simple existing math proof
that 4 harmonic corner days
rotate simultaneously around
squared equator and cubed
Earth, proving 4 Days, Not
1Day,1Self,1Earth or 1God
that exists only as anti-side.
This page you see - cannot
exist without its anti-side
existence, as +0- antipodes.
Add +0- as One = nothing.
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Seek Awesome Lectures,
MY WISDOM DEBUNKS GODS OF
ALL RELIGIONS AND ACADEMIA.
We have a Major Problem,
Creation is Cubic Opposites,
2 Major Corners & 2 Minor.
Mom/Dad & Son/Daughter,
NOT taught Evil ONEism,
which VOIDS Families.
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Seek Wisdom of Cubic Life
Intelligence - or you die evil.
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Evil God Believers refuse to
acknowledge 4 corner Days
rotating simultaneously around
4 quadrant created Earth -
in only 1 rotation, voiding the
Oneism Evil 1 Day 1 God.
You worship Satanic impostor
guised by educators as 1 god.
No 1 God equals 4 - 24 hour
Days Rotating Simultaneously
within 1- 24 hour Rotation of
4 quadrant created Earth.
Ignoring 4 Corner Earth Days
will Destroy Evil Humanity.
I am organizing Children to
join "Cubic Army of 4 Days"
to convert Evil 1 Day Adults
to 4 Day mentality existence,
to serve perpetual humanity.
"Nothing on Earth more Evil
than a human educated as 1,
when composed of opposites
that cancel out as an entity."
In fact, man is the only 1 Evil,
and will soon erase himself by
ignoring Cubic 4 Day Creation.
If a Man cannot tear a page
from the bible and burn it -
then he cannot be a scientist,
or participate in Symposium -
to measure Cubing of Earth
with Cubic intelligence wiser
than any man or god known.
Educators have destroyed the
human analytical brain to a
single perspective, in spite of
all creation within Universe
being based upon opposites,
binaries & antipodes, including
Sun/Earth binary relative to the
human male/female binary. No
ancient insignificant dead 1 Jew
godism can match or exceed the
enormity of the Sun/Earth
Binary. His heart is not big
enough for sharing with the
vastness of created opposites.
1 has no heart beat or breath,
constituting death of opposites.
God in Human form has human
limits as body controls activity.
You are taught Evil, You act
Evil, You are the Evil on Earth.
Only your comprehending the
Divinity of Cubic Creation will
your soul be saved from your
created hell on Earth - induced
by your ignoring the existing
4 corner harmonic simultaneous
4 Days rotating in a single cycle
of the Earth sphere. Religious/
Academic Pedants cannot allow
4 Days that contradict 1Day 1God.
Educators destroy your brain,
but you don't know, so why care?
Creation ocurrs via opposites,
but Religious/Academia pedants
suppress it teaching Satanic One.
After 30 years of research, I now
possess the Order of Harmonic
Antipodal Cubic Divinity Life -
too large for physical form, but
Binary Spirit of the masculinity
Sun & feminity Earth Antipodes.
ONEism is demonic Death Math.
I have so much to teach you, but
you ignore me you evil asses.
You will recognize 4 corner Days
or incur Easter Island Ending.
Never a Genius knew Math
to achieve my Cubic Wisdom.
Cubic thought Reigns as the
Highest Intelligence possible
on the planet Earth. One 96
hour rotating Cube within a
single rotation of Earth -- is
an Ineffable Transcendence.
Bible and Science falsify 1
corner day for the Cubic 4
corner Days rotating daily.
A single god is not possible
in our 4 Day Cubic Science,
that equates Cubic Divinity.
Everybody is both stupid and
evil for ignoring the 4 days.
Cube Divinity transcends all
knowledge, Humans can't
escape 4 corner Cubic Life.
Fools worship mechanics of
language - while they wallow
in fictitious & deceitful word.
Exact science based on Cubics,
not on theories. Wisdom is
Cubic testing of knowledge.
Academia is progression of
Ignorance. No god equals
Simultaneous 4 Day Creation.
Humans ignore their 4 corner
stages of life metamorphosis.
This site is a collection of data
for a coming book - peruse it.
No human has 2 hands as they
are opposites, like plus and
minus, that cancel as entity.
Academia destroys your brain,
your ability to think opposite.
The eyes of the flounder fish
were relocated, why were yours
relocated? Your opposite eyes
were moved to 1 corner to overlay
for single perspective, but that
corrupts your Opposite Brain.
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KNOW CUBE, OR HELL.
Education and Religion
severely diminishes your
intelligence and mentality,
instituting ONEness Evil,
You are educated stupid -
and you have no inkling to
just how EVIL you think.
Seek in haste to attend a
lecture by Dr. Gene Ray,
Cubic and Wisest Human -
His Wisdom is Awesome.
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For Cumming, GA 30041 Lecture,
email: contact@2enp.com
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Both Cubic Thinkers and SnotBrains were
born with opposite brains, capable of math
analysis to know most everything. The
Religious/Academic Oneness Brotherhood
destroys the Brain's ability to think opposite
of singularity trash taught. Such reduced
Brain intelligence begets the student a
tag of SnotBrain android - encapable of
comprehending absolute proof of 4 Days
rotating simultaneously within a single
rotation of Earth. Cubics comprehend it.
You are a Cubic Thinker, or SnotBrain.
You SnotBrains will know
hell for ignoring TimeCube.
I do not promote or suggest
anyone killing you, but you
are unfit to live on Earth.
Binary Life Force is more
Powerful than ONE God -
especially the ole dead Jew,
for which you've denounced
your own mother and father.
1 side brain can't reason
without the opposite side.
Americans are so dumb,
educated stupid and evil,
they have snot for brain.
Believers have snot brain.
Educated have snot brain.
God worship only needs
a snot brain, but it takes
Opposite Brain Analysis
to know Harmonic Life.
The masculinity Sun and
femininity Earth - form
a Binary of Harmonic
Opposites at Center of
Universe - Greater than
either Sun or the Earth,
debunking all fictitious
Oneism Gods taught by
religious/academic Word
Animals. The invention of
fictitious WORD inflicts
humans as Word Animals
- the dumbest and most
Educated stupid and Evil
animal to inhabit Earth
and the Universe. Watch
for Giant Erasor as there
is a great danger of the
human Word Animal being
self-erased. You cannot
comprehend the actual 4
simultaneous days in single
rotation of Earth, as 1 day
1 God ONEism blocks the
ability to think opposite of
the ONEism crap taught.
Education destroys brain.
Dr. Gene Ray, Cubic and Wisest Human
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Gene Ray interview by Lionel on Air America Radio,
The Lionel Show - 10am, Friday, August 3, 2007
Creation is the Harmonics of Opposites -
Opposites are the Harmonics of Creation.
God entity is queer sex, or no opposite sex.
God Oners must ban all sex with Opposites.
Trinity of males degrade female opposites.
Sex okay for atheist, but not God Oneists.
Opposite hemispheres equate planets to a
Giant Brain, that has 4 faces, but no limbs.
Adults create baby, baby evolves to adult.
No 1 God can create a planet of opposites,
which equate to a zero value existence, and
cancels to nothing as an entity in death.
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"Cubic Time" - Cubes
Earth, Life and Truth
http://timecube.2enp.com/ (http://timecube.2enp.com/)
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Oh god, that reads like the emails I get from my MIL...
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Isn't mental illness grand?
There's a cool documentary on YouTube about the time cube guy.
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The psychology of conspiracy theories is interesting. I've noticed they're a sort of short cut to an illusion of hidden, upper level knowledge. With enough conspiracy theories, you can understand everything and be smarter than everyone else.
BTW conspiracy theories are usually true if they are boring.
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Lately I've been thinking MMM and those who are FI are like Bigfoot...
I haven't seen either of them in person, online photos of them are all slightly blurry(potentially photoshopped), they all seem to live somewhere undisclosed in the woods and the only solid evidence of their existence is facial hair(mustachians.)
+1.
And every time I hint at retiring in my mid 40s I get ridiculed, or just blank stares of non comprehension. Surely 100% of people I talk to IRL must be more credible than the Bigfoots found here