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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/oct/12/middle-class-young-people-future-worse-parents

Recent post by the guardian. I'm not too familiar with the conditions in the UK but how does this stack up to your situation?

Are you better off than your parents? If so are they aware of your situation or are you the stealth wealth type?

Has this impacted your relationship with family/ how they view you or you view them?


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Re: Middle Class Young People to be Materially Worse of than Their Parents
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2013, 09:25:38 AM »
I definitely won't reach the financial heights of my parents -  but this is a somewhat voluntary choice. Were I to work untill 65 like my father, I could probably get close, but having chosen to retire at 42 I will come up far short. Having seen what the stresses of work have done to my father, I have absolutely no problem not matching his financial "success".

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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2013, 09:31:04 AM »
Both sides of our family have made A LOT more money than us, but we are already passing them by due to them being equally dysfunctional (although they don't see it).

My in-laws have good combined incomes (medical and dental fields @ $200K+ yearly, estimated). My MIL just retired in her mid 60's when they hit $1MM in their retirement accounts. He's still working as they still have two mortgages to finish paying for and need a new car. They never sent their kids to college, paid for one small wedding and still have their 36 year old son living with them. He doesn't help out, have a job and they wont push him to do any better. It's pretty sad to see.

We have a smaller combined income then them (@ $140K), but will be "retired" almost 17 years ahead of them with close to $1MM, two paid off mortgages, college costs arranged and zero debt. We both have three children families so yes, I think we are already doing better then them. If we kept working until we were 65 than we will have eclipsed them by three fold, but thats definitely not in our plans as Mustachiens.

Although my FIL will have two more sources of pension income than I will, we will have 17 more years to be free from punching a time card, and to me thats the trade off for the pensions. He is retired military and doesn't believe us. He thinks we are living in a fantasy land and has a "There's no way you can be doing better than us on less money" mentality. My wife and I just smile at each other when it comes up in conversation as we don't give them all of the details.

I don't keep in touch with my parents anymore. They made millions through the 70's and 80's with their business only to gamble it all away, divorce then disappear. From what I know, my dad is in his late 60's and still working random jobs to make enough money to get by with. My mom got into the Jehovah Witness religion pretty hard and now has her "new family".

Neither one has anything to show for all their years of hard work, ruining a 22 year marriage and missing watching their grandkids grow up along the way. So yes, we are far, far ahead of them both personally and financially. Even though they made 30 times more per year than all of us put together, they lost it all and never recovered.

Its really sad to see, but an eye opener to what can happen with the poor planning on both sides. Changing your spending and savings habits early in life can make you better off in the long run, and we're good examples of that. With all of the good incomes mentioned above, its amazing to realize that we will be the ones who will end up better off in the end, even on less money.


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Re: Middle Class Young People to be Materially Worse of than Their Parents
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2013, 11:29:13 AM »
My parents divorced when I was still a child and both went on to do very, very well money-wise even on modest (well under 100K salaries).

I have already passed my mother's quite respectable retirement stache (although I'm doing it as part of a married couple, so her financial accomplishments as a single woman may still be better when taking that into consideration).

I will be doing better than my father and should pass his lifetime amounts while still in my 40s, although part of my stache has been supplemented by his self-made one, so I am benefiting from his frugality. My standard of living is and has always been much better than his, and my environmental impact is better than both of my parents.

I'll also be retiring much earlier that either one of my parents, with a much larger stache, and my standard of living won't change (if anything will get better).

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Re: Middle Class Young People to be Materially Worse of than Their Parents
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2013, 01:13:18 PM »
I definitely won't reach the financial heights of my parents -  but this is a somewhat voluntary choice. Were I to work untill 65 like my father, I could probably get close, but having chosen to retire at 42 I will come up far short. Having seen what the stresses of work have done to my father, I have absolutely no problem not matching his financial "success".

Ditto in all respects.

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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2013, 02:48:05 PM »
Someone I know was complaining about how much harder it is to be middle-class now than it was in the 1950s.  But I think it's quite easy to live as richly as the average family did in the 1950s.  You need a house of around 1500 square feet (2000 sq ft if you're going for a large house), one car, one broadcast TV (no cable), one phone, no computer, no air conditioning.  If you go for that, I don't think it's that challenging to live as well as a family in the 1950s.  As it happens, that is pretty much exactly how I live, except that I have a computer and internet, and no TV. 

When it gets expensive is when you add in the multiple computers and gaming devices, the smartphones and their contracts, the air conditioning, the cable and/or Netflix, the multiple cars, and the larger house.  It's still possible to live frugally and have select ones of those.  But for people who want them all, it's no wonder it's a challenge to lay out for everything and yet to feel financially comfortable.  The Joneses are living like rich folks and we're hard pressed to keep up with them.

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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2013, 03:36:01 PM »
My dad was a doctor and is now retired however he worked until he was 62 or something. He has always been frugal. There is no chance that on my decent salary and retiring as early as I can that I will meet his asset levels.

My FIL was a private fund manager for a billionaire after leaving a big bank as the treasurer. His wealth is multiple times my parents wealth.

In saying all of that I don't see either my parents or my in-laws as having a better lifestyle than what I have. They are all reasonably frugal. My FIL for instance rides his bike basically everywhere rather than drive a car. He has a mercedes (I think) sportscar but it costs too much to insure so it sits in his garage and never gets used.

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Re: Middle Class Young People to be Materially Worse of than Their Parents
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2013, 05:00:22 PM »
I don't know. We may do better, may do worse. The paths are remarkably similar, though. A base of frugality, buy land and build a house yourself. Pay it off fast and put money into retirement. One long commute per family from the land/house (my father until he retired, and me).

My husband and I started later, but no kids, so we may come out about even. We may do better thanks to two full-time incomes for longer, since my mother didn't work while we kids were small.

We may retire early, which my parents did not because of a need for health insurance. But we may not, either, if we continue to love what we do.

If we do as well or slightly less well than my parents, we'll be fine.

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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2013, 06:48:38 PM »
Mixed.  Currently our household income exceeds my parents, and our networth is just under half of theirs, not bad for being 30-odd years younger.  BUT, my partner and I *both* earn pretty high salaries, whereas for my parents my dad's salary was able to pretty much carry the household (my mother was a SAHM who worked occasional part-time jobs).  While we *could* manage on one salary, throwing a few kids into the mix would make it a serious stretch, and at that point I think no, we would not be doing quite as well as my parents.  Also, my dad has a pension plan and I'm sure their Social Security benefits are better than anything I'll be getting.  I don't think I'm headed for the poorhouse anytime soon, but I do think achieving a comfortable/secure lifestyle will take a little more prudence and caution than my parents had to exercise.

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Re: Middle Class Young People to be Materially Worse of than Their Parents
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2013, 07:00:38 PM »
We earn more than my parents did in this stage of their lives, and we certainly save more and are wiser with our money (even though we've got a lot of room to grow). Watching my parents' struggle is one of my biggest motivators to FI.

My MIL seems to be very cautious with her money, and she's a high income earner. I don't know much about her finances, but my guess is that she's miles ahead of us.

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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2013, 09:01:07 PM »
Yeah, you're absolutely right.  I look at how my parents were raised in the 50s, and it's like another world.  One car, one telephone, children sharing bedrooms, small wardrobes, hanging clothes on the line, canning veggies all summer, eating out was a 1-2 times a year occasion.  And they were very much middle class.  Well, you don't have to go back that far -- my childhood in the 70s was quite different.  Everything today is upsized.  If we -- meaning we as a society-- choose to live that way today, we absolutely have just as much money. 

Regardless, I remember my father telling me that my generation was projected to be the first to do worse than our parents.  That has not been true for me personally, but I think that's because my parents screwed up pretty badly in their 30s and 40s, yet they were able to rebound; I think my generation and my kids' generation will have less rebound -ability.  I think my kids will do as well as we have, but it's because we have educated them about living frugally and avoiding debt.  We're making sure they get a good start in life, and if they continue what we've taught them, they will do at least as well as we have.  I don't think my husband and I are completely typical for our generation, nor do I think our children will be typical for theirs.
Someone I know was complaining about how much harder it is to be middle-class now than it was in the 1950s.  But I think it's quite easy to live as richly as the average family did in the 1950s.  You need a house of around 1500 square feet (2000 sq ft if you're going for a large house), one car, one broadcast TV (no cable), one phone, no computer, no air conditioning.  If you go for that, I don't think it's that challenging to live as well as a family in the 1950s.  As it happens, that is pretty much exactly how I live, except that I have a computer and internet, and no TV. 

When it gets expensive is when you add in the multiple computers and gaming devices, the smartphones and their contracts, the air conditioning, the cable and/or Netflix, the multiple cars, and the larger house.  It's still possible to live frugally and have select ones of those.  But for people who want them all, it's no wonder it's a challenge to lay out for everything and yet to feel financially comfortable.  The Joneses are living like rich folks and we're hard pressed to keep up with them.

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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2013, 09:10:55 PM »
I look at where my parents were when they were my age and the differences are vast. I was almost graduating college and my brother was starting high school  when my parents were my age. I have a 3.5 year old son. I mean whoa. My parents are now grandparents and are travelling the world. When my son is my age I hope to still be alive!
I think we will be better off financially than my parents over time but only because of some circumstances that have nothing to do with saving/income. As to getting anywhere close to my in-laws? I don't think that will ever happen. They have been very successful due to extremely hard work in the financial arena. They just had more opportunity to make money than my parents (professor) or we will. That said, I think we have a much higher quality of life with a lot less stress. 

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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2013, 12:57:31 AM »
As far as material goods...I think it'd be tricky. If we're defining it as material goods that are owned without debt attached, then we're ahead of where our parents were at the same age. I think my mom is further ahead than we are now, especially if you consider her teacher's pension. Dad...I dunno, we don't talk and I never knew that much about his finances (he "owned" a number of houses he was renting out, think all/most had mortgages, don't know what the current situation is).

My mom seems happy that we're doing well, doesn't seem jealous at all.

We're better off than my wife's parents. Far as I can tell, her dad seems ok with that. Her mom, not so much. Nor her sister. I did suggest she not mention certain things about our finances, but she thought they'd be happy for her. *Sigh*

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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2013, 01:30:09 AM »
Well I think you'd say I was doing ok in comparison. My mum worked decent jobs until she had me and was made a single parent. We lived on social security til  she'd managed to get a grant for part of  a house deposit and we moved in with my step-father. She still couldn't work for health reasons, and my step-dad was useless with money. The only real net worth they had was the significant appreciation in the value of the house. Which by the time she died in jan was now worth at least 3 times they bought it for. 15 years before. (We're in the UK) She never carried any debt other than that mortgage.

I never went to university, but went out and got a job after 6th form college. I've worked ever since, with a 6 month break after I got married to make a career change (which I saved for - my freedom fund) I temped for a bit then went self-employed. I was earning good money for a while while I was employed, and we overpaid our mortgage aggressively during that time. I have never had a credit card. We we were probably making 70k gbp at that point. I'm not earning nearly enough at the moment . I realise I suck.

We now have approximately 190k equity in the house, (after a recent inheritance from my mum) and about 50k in cash. My DH has 50k in a pension, mine is about 20k as I've not contributed since I left my job. Having only recently discovered MMM we have not yet started investing in non-retirement funds.

I guess you could say I am doing a lot better than my parents. Although my dad could be a millionaire - I doubt it. My DH's parents were pretty hardworking building up a business and then selling it and retiring maybe at 50 or 55. But boy, they'd worked for it. They like spending money too, so who knows how early they could have retired?

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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2013, 05:55:20 AM »
Doing better by an incredible magnitude. But then, my parents weren't/aren't middle class. Easy to do better than your parents when they've mostly lived on welfare and you're earning a high income. I'd have to really fuck up to do worse than them!

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« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2013, 06:34:08 AM »
My wife and I earn more money than our parents in that age, but this is due to the chance to get a higher education - they paid for it. I am a mechanical engineer and my wife is a teacher.
My father (police officer) and my mother (bank accountance) started working, when they where 16, my MIL & FIL started working, when they were 14.
So they earned just a little money in the beginning, worked hard and lived frugal and in the end, they were able to pay for our education (In Germany it's much cheaper than in the US), so their frugal lifestyle is the reason, why we are able to earn so much more.
I don't think, we will be materially worse than our parents. But for me, this is not important.

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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2013, 07:12:03 AM »
Not yet, but I suspect I will be in the future.

Both my parents earn very average middle class salaries - think MMM's post on two teachers retiring early.

Due to my field and going the traditional HS > college route, I think my income will approach their (individual) level within just a couple of years of graduating. I'll have tens of thousands of debt they didn't have, though, so initially most of my income will go towards that.

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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2013, 07:26:32 AM »
Someone I know was complaining about how much harder it is to be middle-class now than it was in the 1950s.  But I think it's quite easy to live as richly as the average family did in the 1950s.  You need a house of around 1500 square feet (2000 sq ft if you're going for a large house), one car, one broadcast TV (no cable), one phone, no computer, no air conditioning.  If you go for that, I don't think it's that challenging to live as well as a family in the 1950s.  As it happens, that is pretty much exactly how I live, except that I have a computer and internet, and no TV. 

When it gets expensive is when you add in the multiple computers and gaming devices, the smartphones and their contracts, the air conditioning, the cable and/or Netflix, the multiple cars, and the larger house.  It's still possible to live frugally and have select ones of those.  But for people who want them all, it's no wonder it's a challenge to lay out for everything and yet to feel financially comfortable.  The Joneses are living like rich folks and we're hard pressed to keep up with them.

Exactly.  Our society already has way more material excess than I feel I want or need.  I actually feel far richer than my parents generation because I don't need a car to live where I do.  I have a 1200 square foot house that does me just fine.  And I have air conditioning (which I use sparingly) and netflix. 

Standard of living for me does not mean material wealth, but how I'm able to live less stressed because I don't care one whit about living my life according to the standards other people have set. 


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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2013, 06:20:55 PM »
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Do you think their financial situation and mistakes helped you to not make their mistakes or are you naturally attracted to the mustache lifestyle? Nature vs nurture is what I'm getting at.

Both, I think! Let's be honest - being so poor you run out of food before "dole day" (the day welfare comes in) as a child is AMAZING motivation to be financially secure as an adult. But that doesn't seem to have helped my siblings, two thirds of whom are still relatively dumb with money.

There's definitely an element of nature - I'm INTJ and it seems completely normal and good to me to draft up some spreadsheets and calculate out the results of my spending decisions. So I'd suggest that I'd be a little bit this way even if I'd had wealthy parents. I'm a schemer :-) I'm the same with non-financial planning so that aspect of my personality isn't just motivated by wanting to be comfortable.

And... luck. Lucky that the guy I started dating without knowing him at all was secretly super frugal, as that was great motivation to become frugal myself. Lucky that I'm living in the most prosperous time in Australia's history, which meant that I walked straight into a great job. You can't discount the value of those circumstances.

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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2013, 09:55:48 AM »
This is an interesting topic to me. I can follow my paternal lineage back quite a way and find very stark differences from generation to generation. My great-grandfather was one of 29 kids. He was dirt poor, and basically clawed his way into the lower middle class, eventually putting 3 out of his 4 kids through college by farming 70 acres. My family still has the land, and a cousin of mine still lives in the modest ~1200 square foot home with 7' ceilings(!) that he built himself in the 1940s.

My grandfather grew up during the Depression. He was born in a log cabin and knew what it was like to have no running water or electricity until he was a teenager. He knew what it was like to not have food on the table unless you grew it or butchered it yourself. He went to college got a good government job, and married a woman who was raised under similar conditions. Their difficult early lives gave them a work ethic and frugal habits that served them well. They retired in their mid-50s as millionaires (despite never being particularly high income-earners), and they both have healthy pensions.

My grandparents raised three incredibly successful children (including my father). All of them went on to college, and 2 out of 3 earned Master's Degrees. All three have had great work ethics and wonderful careers. My dad recently retired in his early 50s with a government pension, although he still works part-time. However, the funny thing is that, although my dad has a great pension that will see him comfortably through retirement, unlike my grandparents, he saved very little on the side. Especially considering his salary during the last few years of his employment, which was at least twice what I ever expect to earn. Part of the problem was my mom, who, though I love her very much, was always a bit of a spendthrift (and she is now in assisted living with Alheimer's unfortunately, which also doesn't help with my Dad's savings). But I've also notice that my grandparents' frugality didn't well translate to the next generation. My dad hasn't lived "paycheck to paycheck", but his lifestyle inflation was pretty huge as his pay went up during the last decade or so of his working career.

When I entered the working world in 2008 (what a great time to be a new college grad!), I started off following my Dad's footsteps. I got a nice government job and chose the pension plan, rather than the defined contribution plan, because as far as I knew, your employer was responsible for your retirement. My Dad also kind of pushed me that way. I bought a house with a 100% loan and a healthy PMI payment, because that's what you do when you start working, right? And housing always goes up anyway, right? You can see where this is leading...I lost my ass and a half on the house when I moved. I didn't get to keep any of the employer contributions when I left my first job because I was on the pension plan instead of the defined contribution plan. I also married a lovely woman who had $36,000 in student loans that would be forgiven if only she worked 4 years as a teacher in South Carolina...but I couldn't find a decent job in South Carolina, so we had to pay the loans back ourselves. And then, to top it all off, we had a child with multiple birth defects who will require lifelong medical care.

But the funny thing is, I'm very thankful that we have been forced into frugality due to the difficult circumstances that we've faced. We are now debt-free except for the mortgage, we already have a decent investment portfolio started, and we are saving like mad for financial independence (probably about 10 years off). I could complain about the difficulties we've faced or I could look at my granddad, who grew up in far worse circumstances than I did and accomplished so much. Or I could look at my great-granddad, who worked his butt off until he could no longer work but was still (materially) behind where we are today. In short, I really don't give a rat's ass whether I am better or worse off than my parents, but I am happy to be where I am, and I'm even happier with where I am headed.

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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2013, 08:54:52 AM »
Interesting question.  My parents were solid lower middle class, and I'm the first on my father's side of the family (one on my mother's side before me) to graduate college, and the only one on either side to earn a post-grad degree (J.D.).  I did these things on my own (combo of savings, part-time work, scholarships/grants, and student loans) with no financial or other support from them. I earn more than both my parents combined ever earned, by a lot.  Neither was very frugal or had any concepts of how to save and invest, and Social Security makes up the bulk of their current retirement income. 

Now, on my wife's side, I would say her parents far exceeded her in terms of material wealth, even after buying her two new cars (one at 16, one at 20), paying for her college degree, and kicking in a significant chunk of cash for our wedding (about 2/3 of the cost, which was not insignificant).  They were (and are) both reasonably frugal and very savings-oriented.  They paid off their house many, many years ago and were debt-free for a large chunk of their working lives.  Not so with my wife (spendy, poor saver).  If I compare us as a couple to them as a couple, even though combined we earn far more (even in today's inflated dollars) than they ever did, we got a much later start, and there's almost no chance we could be mortgage-free by the time we retired -- in part because we want to retire early (if we went to 65, then we could do it pretty easily).  So they look better off from that viewpoint. On the other hand, I'm sure we'll have vastly more in invested assets than they ever could have, so it's probably a wash.  Then again, they inherited nothing from their parents, whereas we're likely to inherit their mortgage-free house.  So in the end, the scales almost certainly tip in our favor, collectively as a couple, in part thanks to their hard work.

So the ultimate answer for me is "it depends" (mostly on which set of parents you use to compare to).

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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2013, 11:01:05 AM »
I am better off than my parents.  I grew up in poverty in a very large family.  My father had a good job working for the state government but my parents had way too many kids (I had eight brothers and sisters) and my mother chose never to return to nursing even after the kids were old enough to take care of themselves, so we were on one income and government assistance.  My father declared bankruptcy a few years ago, but luckily he didn't lose the house because it wasn't worth enough money.  Now, he's retired and on a state pension and social security, but has no savings of any kind.  He's considering selling the house and moving to an apartment, but he probably won't get much for the house because he didn't maintain it properly.

Meanwhile, while I am paying back $72,000 in student loans, I'm in pretty good shape.  I have about $25,000 in liquid savings and I paid for my car in cash and it's only three years old, so it should be good for at least another ten years.  We have a big mortgage (although very small for the area we live in), but we're only paying 3.28% interest on it, so I'd say that's pretty good.

I'm just starting out growing my "mustache", but I have a pretty decent start.

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Re: Middle Class Young People to be Materially Worse of than Their Parents
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2013, 11:06:00 AM »

Although my FIL will have two more sources of pension income than I will, we will have 17 more years to be free from punching a time card, and to me thats the trade off for the pensions. He is retired military and doesn't believe us. He thinks we are living in a fantasy land and has a "There's no way you can be doing better than us on less money" mentality. My wife and I just smile at each other when it comes up in conversation as we don't give them all of the details.

As soon as I saw they earn $200K+ and only have $1MM after all those years, I knew they were not frugal.

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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2013, 02:56:00 PM »
I suspect I will be considerably wealthier than my parents when I am their age even if I early retire.

Though, my parents never talk about their finances with me so I'm not confident in what they actually have in terms of net worth. My father has been an engineer who has done quite well for himself but he's also enjoyed a lot of toys along the way.

I'm in my 20s and very frugal and a long term thinking and making a decent salary. Doesn't take much to extrapolate that out to mean I will have a much better financial situation than my parents when I'm their age.

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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2013, 01:24:07 PM »
I think that our definition of "well off" is changing.  I don't doubt that I'll have less money than my parents, but I certainly have less appetite for material consumption than they do. 

I think that many in the younger generation will be defined by a more efficient standard of living - happily doing more with less.  The baby boomer generation has not only been defined by unprecedented financial and career success, but also by unprecedented materialism and consumerism. 

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Re: Middle Class Young People to be Materially Worse of than Their Parents
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2013, 01:33:18 PM »
Nope... we're 2nd gen immigrants so both our families had it difficult settling down to Canadian life.

My life personally has been pretty smooth sailing, can't complain :)  I think my parents eyes will bug out once I tell them i'm not working F/T anymore at 40ish :)

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Re: Middle Class Young People to be Materially Worse of than Their Parents
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2013, 01:49:11 PM »
I HOPE to be drastically materially worse off than my parents.  I can't imagine willingly being burdened with so much crap and material goods, not to mention the time, effort, and money required for their upkeep.

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Re: Middle Class Young People to be Materially Worse of than Their Parents
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2013, 01:54:49 PM »
Well, I'm living in a much richer country than my parents who grew up and spent half of their working lives in USSR. It will not be difficult to end up with more money than them albeit they did well after the collapse of socialism so it will take few more years. Education wise, however, I come from a family which has been well educated for many generations. From my fathers side I'm a fifth generation college graduate, from my mother side perhaps even more albeit I don't know for sure. History of that side of the family is murky mostly because they were Polish and I don't speak the language. All I know is that my grand-grandfather who was a mining engineer, belonged to a minor nobility and owned some coal mines and steel factories up until WWII when he lost all of it.. My maternal grandmother who came from a farming family was the only grandparent not to graduate from university (she was accountant).