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Kitchen appliances
« on: May 28, 2018, 09:50:30 AM »
I got great advice on this forum about toilet brand (todo) and now I'm in the market for kitchen appliances for a home renovation. I have no brand loyalty when it comes to kitchen appliances and am interested in finding something that will last. While I've looked on consumer reports and product reviews, it is hard to get an idea of what will stick around for a while.

Any brands you would highly recommend? Or stay away from?

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Re: Kitchen appliances
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2018, 09:56:16 AM »
Erm, is that a typo? Isn't it "Toto"? Or is this a competitor?

I'm also in need of a full suite of kitchen appliances, so I'm interested in the responses/suggestions.

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Re: Kitchen appliances
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2018, 09:59:03 AM »
Bwaaahahah yes, toto. :-)

In terms of any suggestions, I am willing to pay more if I expect the appliances to last more than ~4-5 years.

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Re: Kitchen appliances
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2018, 10:02:16 AM »
Bwaaahahah yes, toto. :-)

In terms of any suggestions, I am willing to pay more if I expect the appliances to last more than ~4-5 years.

I don't recall ever having a kitchen appliance fail on me in less than 5 years of ownership.  Even the newer "cheap" stuff seems to last a decade or so, in my experience.  Maybe I'm just lucky?

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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2018, 10:04:23 AM »
Our Hotpoint gas range/oven and Samsung fridge are still going after 14 years with daily use and no repairs. Assuming reviews for current models are good, I would recommend both brands. Both appliances are fairly basic models with few bells and whistles (the fridge is standard two-door with bottom freezer and no water/ice dispenser).

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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2018, 08:27:22 PM »
Bwaaahahah yes, toto. :-)

In terms of any suggestions, I am willing to pay more if I expect the appliances to last more than ~4-5 years.

I don't recall ever having a kitchen appliance fail on me in less than 5 years of ownership.  Even the newer "cheap" stuff seems to last a decade or so, in my experience.  Maybe I'm just lucky?
We re-did our entire kitchen 18 years ago:
Stove is still good
Cook-top is still good
Refrigerator is still good
Replaced the dishwasher at 16 years
Garbage Disposal is good
Microwave/Hood gave out today.
None of these were high end units, some GE, some Whirlpool, etc. I think modern appliances, like someone else mentioned, should be good for at least a decade.

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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2018, 10:52:54 PM »
Ha! Our clown  house was custom built in about 2006. (Don't worry, not for us. We bought it on a short sale and DH walks to work.)

First thing to go, at about 7 years, was the 36" Dacor stove/oven. DH fixed it, but he literally had to do stuff that wasn't even in the manual to fix it. About $350 in parts. We're told it was a $10k appliance, which is somewhat totally unbelievable. The following year, the built-in Kitchenaid microwave that is tucked into an upper cabinet went kaput. Discontinued, parts not available. Replacement cost? $1500. Are you serious? DH found a place that specializes in buying up discontinued appliances. We got the same one, new in box, for "only" $600, an hour's drive away. At least it matches the rest of the appliances, so there's that.

Oh, and the seller took the refrigerator with him. Yup, the special snowflake cabinet depth model, which was tucked nicely into its own custom cabinet. The only one that fit was $3k. We did a lot of surfing and found it from a dealer on the other coast for $2600. It doesnt have much in the way of bells and whistles, either.

Crazy.

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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2018, 04:56:14 AM »
Dicey, my last house had built-ins, and they were a massive and expensive pain to fix when they went wrong.  Never again.

My present house came with all the appliances but the fridge.  Maytag washer, dryer, stove and dishwasher still going strong after 9 years with me and who knows how long before me?  i bought a Kenmore fridge (only one that fit the space in the kitchen) with the bottom freezer, and it is fine too.

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Re: Kitchen appliances
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2018, 09:25:13 AM »
Get a Bosch dishwasher.  That is the consensus around the office - a Bosch will actually clean your dishes, you won't have to prewash everything.  Just toss it in, add soap, and go.

We remodeled our kitchen in 2008.  All appliances purchased at Sears in some fabulous "buy 3 appliances get the 4th free" or similar sale.  We have a Kenmore fridge (runs like a champ, but replacement water filters are $30?  $60? every 6 months), aforementioned Bosch dishwasher (some plastic bits on the racks have broken, we have run it 5x/week for the past 10 years), Bosch induction cooktop (surface has some staining/marks and we had to buy new pans) and Bosch electric wall oven (loses time.  Like 4 minutes/month.  I didn't buy it for the clock but I can't disable it either.  No other complaints).


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Re: Kitchen appliances
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2018, 09:57:07 AM »
Whirlpool owns most of the major 'big box' brands.
Parents and I have had best luck with Maytag brand.
- Maytag brand does not compete at the very bottom end of the market. their entry-level stuff is good
- solid value, usually well-reviewed
- importantly, parts (and service if you ever need it) are easy to find. i have heard stories of hard to find parts for brands such as Samsung, Bosch, etc
- I believe Maytag has one of the best warranties
- usually able to find good values on last year model, scratch/dent, returns, etc

Most recently had to replace a 18yr old dishwasher. It still ran but parts were getting to be an issue.

good luck!

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Re: Kitchen appliances
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2018, 10:55:00 AM »
I'll play, as we bought new appliances back in 2011.
I second the recommendation on Bosch dishwasher.  Super quiet, cleans well.
My "stay away" recommendation is LG brand for two reasons, based on our experience with our fridge.  First, it broke down after six years (compressor, and maybe other parts, I forget).  While the parts were under warranty (we still had to pay for labor), the super annoying issue was LG has a narrow range of "authorized technicians" and no one else gets their repair manuals.  I couldn't just call any refrigerator repair service, I had to find the ONE OPTION in the Chicagoland area (which was Sears but not where I bought the fridge so didn't know until an internet search).  A couple days to get an appointment if I remember right, then two weeks for ordered parts to come in and the second repair call to install.  That's a long time to be without your fridge, and I have to be believe if LG weren't so restrictive on technicians and service that it wouldn't have been as long.

So, my higher level advice is to ask questions on service options for any brand you consider.

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Re: Kitchen appliances
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2018, 11:08:55 AM »
Get a Bosch dishwasher.  That is the consensus around the office - a Bosch will actually clean your dishes, you won't have to prewash everything.  Just toss it in, add soap, and go.

I second this motion.  The Bosch dishwasher that we currently have is by far the best I've ever used.  It's silent, it cleans well, and it has been very reliable for the seven years it's been in use.

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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2018, 08:10:39 AM »
Bosch, Samsung, LG, Kenmore Elite are one of the major brands when it comes to kitchen appliances.
Stay away from Viking, Dacor, Wolf, Miele, Thermador, Sub-Zero etc.

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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2018, 08:18:44 AM »
We bought the Kenmore (Sears) version of their Whirlpool appliances. Prices were good with sales and coupon stacking. Summer time typically has the best sales from what I remember. I liked the Kenmore versions as cosmetically they were nicer. Buy the lower end stuff without all the fancy gadgets. Example our dishwasher was around $320 after tax for stainless steel and is exceptionally quiet. I'm sure there are quieter units but our kitchen isn't in our bedroom so you can't hear it anyway.

Example this is our dishwasher
http://www.sears.com/kenmore-24inch-built-in-dishwasher-w-ultra-wash-174/p-02213473000P?sid=IDx01192011x1010564850&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpdfZupKw2wIVyAOGCh0t1QUVEAQYAiABEgL63vD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CIeh1LySsNsCFQlSDAodbgoIaQ

That was ours believe it or not it's also the same as the Kitchenaid...
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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2018, 09:24:22 AM »
Appliances are a total crapshoot these days.  As others have stated, most of the big box brands are owned by one or two large conglomerates so "brand" doesn't mean what it used to.  Any stories you get here will be anecdotal and really irrelevant to the experience you will have. 

My 2 cents is that I have learned to avoid mid-range appliances.  I go real cheap or real expensive.  I find the more "features" something has, the more opportunities there are for something to break.  I find I am not disappointed when something cheap breaks like I am if I got the slightly upgraded version, but this is mostly just mental gymnastics.  At the other end of the spectrum, I feel like the high end companies seem to stand by their products a bit more but you pay a price for that. 

I just upgraded my kitchen and got a slide in range, refrig, dishwasher and microwave, all samsung, for around $3000 on sale.  They even threw in a roomba type vacuum at "no cost."  They look great (all stainless) and the function is awesome, especially on the range.  For that price, I'll be happy if I get 5-10 years out of the stuff but would not be surprised to get much more.

My worthless anecdotes are to avoid maytag and GE.  I had two bad maytag dishwasher experiences.  My GE microwave lasted 4 years.  My friend redid his kitchen with GE and has had lots of issues with the fridge and range.  He eventually replaced the fridge with another brand and is now having problems with the ice maker.  As I said...crapshoot.

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Re: Kitchen appliances
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2018, 10:03:18 PM »
Someone on another thread recommended this site. This particluar article is amazing. It's all good, but the section "Don't Buy the Brand" is especially relevant. It's a long read, but worth the time for anyone planning a kitchen remodel. For a place that sells custom kitchens, it's actually somewhat aligned with MMM principles.

http://starcraftcustombuilders.com/kitchen.budget

As to replacement parts, I've heard that Samsung also has availability issues.

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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2018, 08:25:13 AM »
Someone on another thread recommended this site. This particluar article is amazing. It's all good, but the section "Don't Buy the Brand" is especially relevant. It's a long read, but worth the time for anyone planning a kitchen remodel. For a place that sells custom kitchens, it's actually somewhat aligned with MMM principles.

http://starcraftcustombuilders.com/kitchen.budget

As to replacement parts, I've heard that Samsung also has availability issues.

This is awesome, thank you!

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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2018, 10:13:07 AM »
I'll probably take a few shots due to this.  Are you after style or utilitarian value?  A little shopping around will get you a lot of appliances that have plenty of utilitarian value.  This is primarily small appliances.  Many people dump good stuff for style, they've got to move, they've got to sell a house due to the owner dying, etc.  It's out there, there is money to be saved and your food will be prepared as well as by the new stuff. 

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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2018, 10:29:42 AM »
I'll probably take a few shots due to this.  Are you after style or utilitarian value?  A little shopping around will get you a lot of appliances that have plenty of utilitarian value.  This is primarily small appliances.  Many people dump good stuff for style, they've got to move, they've got to sell a house due to the owner dying, etc.  It's out there, there is money to be saved and your food will be prepared as well as by the new stuff.

Great question Pecunia!

I'm interested in utilitarian value however some style is required given the particular situation. The appliances are for a 1920s foursquare foreclosure that was in pretty bad shape that my husband is fixing up. There were no appliances. We will be living in the house for a few years and then renting it, will be bringing our small appliances with us so just in the market for stove/fridge/dishwasher. The "style" we are going for is solid craftsmanship without shortcuts, tasteful but not over the top or luxurious. I don't want the appliances to adversely affect the rentabilty of the home or generate constant calls about them not working. We got a solid older washer/dryer from habitat. I've been checking estate sales/auctions/habitat etc for large appliance sets but have not yet found anything that would work.

Assuming we end up buying new, currently after some research and the advice above we are thinking a Bosch dishwasher (primary consensus on this forum) and a Maytag fridge and stove.
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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2018, 10:42:37 AM »
Bwaaahahah yes, toto. :-)

In terms of any suggestions, I am willing to pay more if I expect the appliances to last more than ~4-5 years.

I don't recall ever having a kitchen appliance fail on me in less than 5 years of ownership.  Even the newer "cheap" stuff seems to last a decade or so, in my experience.  Maybe I'm just lucky?

We had a terrible experience with a Maytag dishwasher. The printed circuit from the instrument panel to the control board failed about 2 weeks after the warranty period ended. They were sorry to hear about my experience, but would have been happy to send one of their technicians over to diagnose and fix the problem (all on my dime though).

Of course, I have access to Youtube, so finding and fixing the problem was easy enough to do myself for < $100 instead of the $200+ it would have cost with a technician. Unfortunately, the replacement board failed in the same manner in about a year and a half (even though I added extra caulking to try to to provide additional waterproofing / protection).

Instead of buying another replacement part, we decided to buy another dishwasher. I was opposed to buying another Maytag. But, in my research I found our that the control panel and the printed circuit that failed were manufactured by Whirlpool (?). And apparently, that same company made the same component for pretty much every dishwasher. The only exceptions I could find were Bosch and Miele.

The Miele stuff is supposed to be very reliable, but the price tag was pretty high.

We got a Bosch unit on sale at Lowes (or maybe HD). I wanted to get the cheaper version, but my wife wanted one with the upper 3rd rack. Man was that a great call. Go with the third rack if you have the chance. It increases how much we can put in so we do fewer loads (= less energy & water consumption).

And the best part is that I've had it for more than a year and a half and it's still working! Although, I (probably stupidly) bought the extended warranty because of the shell shock over my previous experience.
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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2018, 12:19:22 PM »
Have bought quite a few appliances in the last couple years. Did a lot of research and generally found that as with cars, US brands are unreliable crap, asian/korean stuff is best (dough Samsung sometimes dodgy too) and european brands have some good ones, some expensive and junky. As long as you don't buy US breands you should be pretty good (that goes for everything really though)

Got Bosch dishwasher which is good. Though our LG fridge needed a $400 repair after 2 years, so not happy about that.

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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2018, 12:54:08 PM »
Samsung appliances have had major issues over the past 5 years without any resolution from the manufacturer over faulty products.  Check out the forums on Samsung and the major issues surrounding fridge units and ice makers as well as their gas stoves and units failing.

I unfortunately own one of their fridge "lemons" and a neighbor got stuck with a faulty stove/range.  No recourse after failing immediately following warranty periods.

As we own somewhere around 23-25 fridges in residences and rentals, Samsung is only left on a few and their products will not be part of rehabs, flips, and upgrades.

Edited to add:
We've had good success with whirlpool products recently and will continue with them outside of great deals or sales. 


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« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2019, 09:45:09 AM »
I have all Kenmore appliances, and have had very good service from them, but note that Kenmore products are actually other brands "underneath."  If you can find Electrolux under Kenmore, I would recommend this.

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« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2019, 10:18:49 AM »
Can you really buy a good reliable appliance?  The ones people are recommending are old and they definitely don’t make them like they used too.

I just completely replaced a 4 year old dishwasher, leaked so much out the front it soaked my rug, glad I was home.  It was the most expensive one I ever bought at about 650$. This time I just went w one that cost 375$.  Why bother spending more.

I already had my fridge serviced and an element on the stove replaced. My microwave is the only appliance that’s still running like new.

All whirlpool appliances.  My 7 year old front loader washer leaks a tiny bit out the front and I just used a towel, it’s not worth servicing. The dryer sometimes makes a thunk noise when it starts.

It’s nuts.  I’m convinced they’re  designed this way to make money.

I’d really like one of those pastel retro looking fridges someday,  it would be nice to know if it would last. I’ve never paid more than 1200$ for a fridge and these run about 3 grand.

Sorry I have nothing for you other than just don’t spend a lot. You can get nice looking appliances for about 2500 for everything.

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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2019, 01:49:19 PM »

I’m convinced they’re  designed this way to make money.

I’d really like one of those pastel retro looking fridges someday

They ARE designed that way - it's called Planned Obsolescence.  Made to break down in about 5 years, and parts aren't available either.  So you're forced to buy a new one.  My side by side fridge is a Kenmore from 1995 and I've had the freezer fixed twice in the last few years because I refuse to buy a new one.  The technician said he never sees these any more because people want new, but then they don't last.  I've had  my microwave since 1986 and use it multiple times daily with never a problem.  My parents have gone through 4 of them in that time.

I love the look of the retro fridges too, but it seems to me when I checked they ran around $3000.00 Cdn.  I don't imagine they work any better than any other fridge, and that's too expensive for my blood.

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« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2019, 01:59:43 PM »
I have a Kenmore Clothes Dryer we bought used in 1994, had to replace the belt once and the safety thermostat once. Even if it was a kitchen appliance, I wouldn't sell it to you :-).
Also have a Microwave oven bought in 1982, still works although we have a second one so the first gets little use.

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« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2019, 08:58:33 AM »
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My "stay away" recommendation is LG brand

I agree.  The computerized control panels of both my LG brand range and dishwasher gave out at about 6 years.  The repairman (he was the LG go-to guy for the entire region) said it was due to the wiring.  Many appliances manufactured abroad are rated GRAE - Generally Recognized As Equivalent - but the wiring is not as well insulated as it is required to be in the U.S.  I replaced them with a brand manufactured in the U.S.

That said, my LG refrigerator (it has NO computerized controls) has had no issues.

I find that the fewer bells and whistles, the less there is to break down.
 

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« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2019, 09:58:23 AM »
Since I didn't see any mention of it thus far, I would strongly suggest that whatever brand you go with, make sure that warranty repair will be possible/straightforward.  By that I mean, make sure that there is a company that provides service in your town.  I've had this come up when I bought a Fisher and Paykel fridge and also with a GXI riding mower.

I'd also suggest buying local rather than over the internet for the same basic issue.  You may find out it's difficult to get warranty service on a big item that requires an in-house visit.  You've got no leverage when trying to deal with a distant website once your credit card chargeback window has passed.


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« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2019, 09:10:49 AM »
Get a Bosch dishwasher.  That is the consensus around the office - a Bosch will actually clean your dishes, you won't have to prewash everything.  Just toss it in, add soap, and go.

I second this motion.  The Bosch dishwasher that we currently have is by far the best I've ever used.  It's silent, it cleans well, and it has been very reliable for the seven years it's been in use.

This.

We switched to Bosch after the printed circuit board in our Maytag failed about a month after the warranty expired (and then we replaced it ourselves and the second one failed after ~ 14 months). Bosch and Miele were the only two manufacturers who didn't use printed circuit boards from the same manufacturer (Whirlpool I think).

The Bosch has worked well since we put it in ~ 3 years ago. Glad I spent the extra money to get the 3rd rack at the top. With 3 kids (youngest a toddler) the extra space and room for baby utensils is great.

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« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2019, 08:11:03 PM »
I loved my Miele dishwasher, had many problems with a Kitchenaid fridge. I now have a Bosch dishwasher and it is pretty good. Sometimes the container with the soap tab does not open during the cycle.

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« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2019, 12:43:59 PM »
Someone on another thread recommended this site. (...)
http://starcraftcustombuilders.com/kitchen.budget

Really good site. Thanks for the suggestion.

The link didn't work for me, but it was easy enough to search for. I ended up at http://starcraftcustombuilders.com/kitchen.budget.htm

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« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2019, 07:41:23 AM »
Someone on another thread recommended this site. (...)
http://starcraftcustombuilders.com/kitchen.budget

Really good site. Thanks for the suggestion.

The link didn't work for me, but it was easy enough to search for. I ended up at http://starcraftcustombuilders.com/kitchen.budget.htm
My kitchen is coming together nicely. Several people have asked who helped me design it. Why, iI did it myself*, with the help of this awesome website. Glad you liked it.

*I have to say, using a custom cabinet builder was also quite helpful. He knew exactly how to translate my vision into reality, and was full of good suggestions once I'd sketched out what I had in mind. Using a custom cabinet maker actually cost less than buying Ready To Assemble (RTA) cabinets.

And OMG, are we dealing with a clusterfuck on the appliance front! I'll post here about our experience later, when I have more time. I've written about some of it in my last couple of journal posts, but it's not resolved yet. Ugh!

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« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2019, 11:51:49 AM »
People where I live are fans of the brushed steel so often switch out newish white for new steel.  We buy high-end newer white appliances used online for about 1/10th their value.  I don't find that brand makes a bunch of difference, but check the online reviews for a specific model.  Newer dishwashers and washer/dryers seem to be the most problematic - older versions have been more reliable for us.  FWIW we do have a lot of experience with appliances because we own eight places.