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« on: September 18, 2015, 11:05:44 AM »
It occurred to me this morning that more than big trucks going under utilized and therefore generally facepunch worthy that perhaps the most facepunchable vehicle purchase is a Jeep Wrangler. I see them all the time on my commute to work. A jeep combines the fuel inefficiency of a large truck into an unstable, unreliable, expensive vehicle without most of the truck benefits.
A jeep doesn't have the hauling capacity of a truck and probable less than most mid sized cars. Depending on the year fueleconomy.gov puts their mileage rating as low as 13mpg (new models hit 17 city!!!) compared with newer trucks that can hit close to 30mpg.

Are there any jeep owners on here? What are the benefits that I'm missing for owning a jeep?

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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2015, 11:31:30 AM »
I had a Wrangler (YJ) and it was the most fun TOY I've ever owned. It was absolute garbage (incredibly easy to fix yourself, but that's all you'll tend to do with a Jeep - fix it), horrible fuel efficiency, rode like a dump truck, noisy, couldn't haul more than 3 1/2 people (counting driver) comfortably, etc. etc. etc.

But you know what - on a Summer evening when it's hot out and you've got the top down and doors off, driving through small town rural America back woods with nothing but the wind and the stars above you and the smell of fresh cut grass and atmosphere hanging around, or on a cool Fall afternoon driving around with no doors or roof and the heat blowing, doing some leaf peeping while driving around on dirt/gravel roads - there's not much better :)

It's definitely true - it's a Jeep thing :)


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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2015, 11:44:02 AM »
I had a Jeep for a while. I agree with Jeddy - its a toy and a lot of fun. I especially liked that pulling out all the carpet was an acceptable thing to do. I kind of hate that cars a supposed to be these shiny, sparkling temples all the time.

I did actually have mine off road several times, but not nearly enough to justify owning it.

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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2015, 11:54:41 AM »
Jeeps were designed for military use. They were made to be small, light, usable over rough terrain, and simple to maintain. The only possible legitimate civilian use they could have is getting people and a small amount of supplies over some long remote trail that is impassible to normal trucks and cars. (And where operating a helicopter would be too costly.) I doubt that any of the consumer market Jeeps are even suitable for this.

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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2015, 12:04:00 PM »
Back in college, I got a ride from a guy with a Wrangler to a concert 4 hours away.  Between him turning the radio up to max to hear it over the tires and flapping top, and the stiff suspension, my head was killing me and my stomach hurt by the time we got there.  Never was a huge fan, but that pretty much cemented my dislike of Wranglers.

Also, my wife had a good friend killed in a Wrangler rollover in high school that probably wouldn't have happened in most other vehicles. 

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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2015, 12:13:24 PM »
I especially liked that pulling out all the carpet was an acceptable thing to do. I kind of hate that cars a supposed to be these shiny, sparkling temples all the time.

Not only acceptable, but encouraged (at least the old ones)! - My floor pans all had drain plugs in them (and were also needed a few times!). A Wrangler definitely looks better when it gets a little 'gritty' :)

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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2015, 12:16:27 PM »
Yea I don't get it either, my Jeep sits in the garage 90% of the time just collecting dust.

The other 10%* it gets us far the fuck away from the city and people to beautiful places where boring ignorant people who can't appreciate won't be. The backroads and byways that compass through and around national parks, avoiding all the noisy families whose kids would rather be anywhere else. Basically enjoying places that probably less than .001% of Americans will ever see in their life.

Listening to my wife describe her first trip and how amazing the the ceiling of stars looked at 6,000 feet in Dedeckera Canyon (Death Valley), while we fixed my dad's steering rod in the dark with a pipe cutter and hack saw, is pretty priceless.

Oh, and then it gets us back home.

Every time one of these threads comes up I go scanning through iPhoto to try and find pictures, and then I quit cause the journey was 90% of the experience (and you weren't there), where we went and how it looked is only the icing.


*Unfortunately, most Jeeps aren't this lucky and are underutilized as some yuppie's daily driver.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2015, 12:19:06 PM »
I had a Jeep for a while. I agree with Jeddy - its a toy and a lot of fun. I especially liked that pulling out all the carpet was an acceptable thing to do. I kind of hate that cars a supposed to be these shiny, sparkling temples all the time.

I did actually have mine off road several times, but not nearly enough to justify owning it.

Took out the carpet in mine and did the spray in bed liner myself, helped compartmentalize the space and it's easy to spray out.

Also, my wife had a good friend killed in a Wrangler rollover in high school that probably wouldn't have happened in most other vehicles.

That's driver error, nothing to do with the vehicle.
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2015, 12:48:21 PM »
We rented one while on vacation in Hawaii. We really crack up when remembering what a piece of crap it was. If asked to take one for free I would decline.

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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2015, 12:56:18 PM »
In college I used to drive out to some caves that were pretty secluded. The "road" was just a couple of ruts through sagebrush and rocks. One time there was a guy in a jacked up grand Cherokee (so far from a Wrangler) out there too. We both left at about the same time, but he was in front of me. About half way back to the main road I found him stuck in the mud and stalled out. After zipping past him to dry ground I stopped and helped him get out, and then continued along the rest of the trail easily.

Oh did I mention that I was in a little Honda CRV? You don't need a jeep to get good off road capabilities. There are much more versatile and efficient vehicles that will get you there and back just fine. Unless you are a rock crawler...

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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2015, 12:58:15 PM »
DH's Jeep Wrangler is his toy.  He loves it, and it's fun.  They also do hold their value.  People have knocked on my door and stopped him in parking lots to ask if they can buy it.

But I always think it's also there in case we ever really do need to use those Bug Out Bags and bypass the regular evacuation routes. . .

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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2015, 01:09:32 PM »
I had an 04 Cherokee and never had any problems with it and just did standard Maint. Had 175K miles on it before I sold it to my neighbor and bought a little 4 banger Patriot for my commute and camping and throwing my Dirtbike on.

Have no bad experiences with jeeps for me so far.

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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2015, 02:34:26 PM »


Also, my wife had a good friend killed in a Wrangler rollover in high school that probably wouldn't have happened in most other vehicles.

That's driver error, nothing to do with the vehicle.

Never said that he didn't make an error, but there are certainly many more forgiving models (especially for a new teen driver) than the Wrangler with it's high center of gravity and short wheel base.  Not sure if he also had it lifted and oversized (probably did). This was also prior to ESC which has significantly improved rollover resistance.

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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2015, 02:43:30 PM »
I drove a wrangler for a few years...and it is definitely a Jeep thing. Some cars just bring people joy! They drive a certain way, have a rugged feel, and are infinitely modifiable. If you get yourself a manual transmission and don't drive like an asshole and you get 30mpg - no lies. I rarely had to fill up. Also, when hauling capacity isn't on your radar (which it really isn't for most people), it doesn't matter that you can't pull much behind it.

It is not the most mustachian car, but definitely not the least either! MMM loves a manual transmission, and I'm pretty sure that the Wrangler is one of the only cars where you'd get chuckled at for driving an automatic.

I basically bought and sold the thing for the same price too. I challenge anyone to find a wrangler from any year in good condition for less than 5k.

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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2015, 02:55:23 PM »


Also, my wife had a good friend killed in a Wrangler rollover in high school that probably wouldn't have happened in most other vehicles.

That's driver error, nothing to do with the vehicle.

Never said that he didn't make an error, but there are certainly many more forgiving models (especially for a new teen driver) than the Wrangler with it's high center of gravity and short wheel base.  Not sure if he also had it lifted and oversized (probably did). This was also prior to ESC which has significantly improved rollover resistance.

I'm not arguing about the physical aspects of the vehicle, every vehicle has it's capabilities; the driver (or parent) is responsible for knowing how to operate it.

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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2015, 06:06:47 PM »
Our Wrangler sees pretty regular use as a jeep. When it rains hard, it's the only vehicle that can get to our house, for example.  Also goes on forestry service roads quite a bit – those are far and away the shortest route to anywhere from here, but they're not passable by car or by many trucks.


 We have nearly 250,000 miles on the thing, bought it used a little over decade ago with 50,000, and its KBB price today is $2k less than we paid for it then.  It's factory stock with the exception of some multipurpose mud tires which help a great deal with the aforementioned hard rain events. No lift or anything stupid, and it can nearly climb a vertical brick wall as it is.


 We've had some repairs, but nothing significant or expensive and so far nothing we couldn't handle ourselves.  It doesn't have a truck bed, but it works quite well to haul a small utility trailer.  We won't haul our big trailer on the public roads with it, not because it won't pull it - it will – but because it's too light to stop it with any considerable load.


 Most Wranglers are toys. But some of them are tools, necessary ones even.


And yeah, I don't believe it came with carpet.

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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2015, 09:42:43 PM »
I own a 2 door, soft top wrangler with roll down windows, a 6 speed manual and big tires for even worse gas mileage. I tell people all the time it's one of the most inefficient, stupid, ridiculous vehicles you can have. I also love it. Makes me smile every time I drive it, and like others have said it will go places few vehicles can. And places where few people are which is awfully nice sometimes.

I don't think it's a great idea to have one as a daily driver. Really dumb.

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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2015, 11:33:01 PM »
The 1940s & 1950s ones are cheap enough and still get interesting places nicely...

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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2015, 05:49:32 AM »
I'm a recovered car guy and have owned/built just about every model of real Jeep you can name (CJ5, CJ7, YJ, TJ, XJ, WJ, WK, JK, blah, blah, blah). I always question the persistent theme I read here about being pieces of junk and question whether those posters have actually owned a utilitarian rig (not counting newer non-Wrangler stuff, Patriot, etc.).

I've owned more than the average person and have found all to be very reliable. They are money-pits, though, as they practically beg to be modified. Gas mileage isn't great, but certainly not as bad as most trucks I've owned. Yes, they're not practical. They are incredibly joyful vehicles to own if you're a certain kind of person. I've loved almost every one I've owned and wouldn't hesitate to buy one again.

Here's my first rig: 1994 YJ, bought stock used, this was the result a few years later:

newrig6 by dbozman1173, on Flickr

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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2015, 06:36:12 AM »
Two of the old style Grand Wagoneers ('88 and a '90),  what they call full size jeeps not the later lightweight tin cans .  First generation SUV. One is now pretty much parts donor.  They do take work and I need to work on them. The good part is you can work on them unlike a lot of the newer models.  Taxes and insurance are cheap due to the age and low value.

Gas mileage stinks.  Drive is actually OK.  They will get you out in the boonies and back.  Had one hit by a drunk driver and bent the frame. No real damage to the body.  Truck that hit it was totaled.   Rear ended three times.  Biggest damage to us was a scratch on the bumper.  Two of the others totaled.  The metal in these machines is heavy but it really does keep a family safe.

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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2015, 07:43:38 AM »
Also, my wife had a good friend killed in a Wrangler rollover in high school that probably wouldn't have happened in most other vehicles.

I had a friend recently suffer severe injuries in a Jeep rollover.  Would most likely have been minor (if anything) in a regular car, but Jeeps are so tippy that even a minor collision can turn into a rollover (and rollovers have dramatically higher incidents of severe injury and death). 

They can be fun vehicles, but I like to think of them as combining the utility of sportscar with the safety of a motorcycle and the gas mileage of a tank.  :-)

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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2015, 07:51:18 AM »
I always question the persistent theme I read here about being pieces of junk and question whether those posters have actually owned a utilitarian rig (not counting newer non-Wrangler stuff, Patriot, etc.).

I've owned more than the average person and have found all to be very reliable. They are money-pits, though, as they practically beg to be modified.

I wonder about this as well. I haven't had that many with only a TJ with 4.0 and now JK but both were/are very reliable and very simple to work on. The TJ was just basic maintenance and one ABS sensor I fixed with duct tape.

I've had the JK for 2 years now and nothing other than basic maintenance.

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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2015, 10:20:30 AM »
Yeah, I have a lot of experience building various Jeeps and most of my friends do, too. It just seems to be a persistent message on this board relative to the supposed poor quality control. I just haven't seen it in my experience.

Not saying everyone should go buy one. They're clearly not practical. They do hold their value like crazy, though.

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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2015, 10:27:50 AM »
They're truck like and don't get 35+mpg, so they're face punch worthy. Or something.

But overloading your car by 50-100% is considered awesome.

 

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