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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2018, 08:57:10 AM »
For those of you with chickens, what happens when you go on vacation somewhere?
We don't keep chickens, but we do end up looking after our neighbours' chickens when they go away.  Lock them up at night or, round here at least, the fox WILL get them.  After 20 minutes of frantic chicken and goose wrangling it gets very tempting to leave them for the fox.  Let them out again in the morning and give them some food.
They go to bed when it gets dark... Just wait til a bit later and they will put themselves to bed and save you the hassle.

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Yep. And if you have to chase them, you're doing it wrong. They're a prey animal, *of course* they will flee. Wait til it's dark and count them- some might roost out, but it's easier to grab them then. If you absolutely can't wait til after dark, then gently herd them like you're doing a cattle drive. Slow, calm, using your arms and finger wiggles to direct them.

Chickens aren't easy, but they sure are fun. They can have big personalities. They're like feathery cats a lot of the time. If you like cats, chances are you'll enjoy chicken personalities. (So long as you aren't raising the white leghorns- they're so overbred they only have neuroses, not personality. The more heritage the breed, the more self sufficient and the more personality they'll have).

Mixed poultry is much harder in this regard.  We had chickens, turkeys and Ginnes(I know I spelled that wrong) they had a specific order they had to go in and the giennies always resisted going first even though the turkeys thought they should go in first. 


Ha!  Our turkeys also believe they should be in charge of everything, and the chickens disagree.

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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2018, 10:06:45 AM »
I've found that my guineas hate being separated, so I just have to get one in the coop and the others will anxiously run in.

The only chickens that give me trouble going back in the coop sometimes are my Silkies. They're really cute but dumber than a box of rocks and I think they forget how to get in the coop sometimes.

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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2018, 10:56:35 AM »
I've found that my guineas hate being separated, so I just have to get one in the coop and the others will anxiously run in.

The only chickens that give me trouble going back in the coop sometimes are my Silkies. They're really cute but dumber than a box of rocks and I think they forget how to get in the coop sometimes.

Lol.  The only chickens that give us trouble are the smart ones . . .  If we are trying to round up the flock or get them into the coop early for some reason (giving meds, leaving town, whatever), the clever ones hang back and get skittish.  They won't even come for yummy food because they know something is up. 

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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2018, 05:54:36 PM »
Our first chickens, we built a coop from free scrap lumber. Obviously the hardware had a cost but it was pretty cheap. 6 hens, plenty of eggs,full free range. We lost a few and spent 20$ a month on feed, to replace buying ~35$ a month of eggs, with occasional extras to sell.

Now, we converted an existing garden shed, and added a secure run (buried hardware cloth, etc). I probably spent 1000$ making it just so. It'll never pay off. But I already know I love having chickens both for eggs and as pets, so I don't really care. I optimized everything so we can leave them for a week with one mid week check in. It is insulated so I don't have to heat it in the winter (Minnesota). Etc.

I don't understand how you could build a coop for 20$ like a PP said. That is 5 eight foot boards and no screws or hardware cloth.


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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2018, 06:25:23 PM »
My understanding from people with chickens,  is that they always attract rats. That's a big NO for me.

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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2018, 06:31:31 PM »
Our first chickens, we built a coop from free scrap lumber. Obviously the hardware had a cost but it was pretty cheap. 6 hens, plenty of eggs,full free range. We lost a few and spent 20$ a month on feed, to replace buying ~35$ a month of eggs, with occasional extras to sell.

Now, we converted an existing garden shed, and added a secure run (buried hardware cloth, etc). I probably spent 1000$ making it just so. It'll never pay off. But I already know I love having chickens both for eggs and as pets, so I don't really care. I optimized everything so we can leave them for a week with one mid week check in. It is insulated so I don't have to heat it in the winter (Minnesota). Etc.

I don't understand how you could build a coop for 20$ like a PP said. That is 5 eight foot boards and no screws or hardware cloth.

Live on a farm that's been in your family forever, and have tons of spare crap laying around. Scrap wood everywhere. Also, this was 15 years ago. For some of the hardware, I disassembled an old bunk bed a relative had dumped on our burn pile.

If it weren't for wanting a few things like non-rusty chicken wire, I probably could have built it free.

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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2018, 08:33:06 PM »
My understanding from people with chickens,  is that they always attract rats. That's a big NO for me.

We never had them on our old farm. Now we are in a city so I am curious to see.


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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2018, 08:51:45 PM »
My understanding from people with chickens,  is that they always attract rats. That's a big NO for me.

We never had them on our old farm. Now we are in a city so I am curious to see.

Chickens and/or chicken feed attracts rats, pocket gophers, house sparrows and every panhandling trash panda for miles around.

Chickens eat any and all bugs that are attracted to their lifestyle, but they are in a coma at night so nocturnal mammals have free play.

Build a very sturdy coop or live with the small mammals as part of your local food web.

Chickens for eggs is in no way cost-effective IMHO, but they are useful household tools just the same: they are garbage disposals that till your soil and add fertility to your land. Old backyard chickens, when slaughtered, are poor meat but have the most gorgeous rendered golden fat you've ever seen, make good chicken stock and can themselves be composted.

We are on a chicken break right now but hoping to get back to it in 2019.

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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2018, 08:53:05 PM »
My understanding from people with chickens,  is that they always attract rats. That's a big NO for me.

We never had them on our old farm. Now we are in a city so I am curious to see.

At my grandparents where I spent a lot of time in the summer they had a small chicken farm. The feed attracts mice. However the sneaky bastards would burrow under the wire make little homes and come out and Rob the chicken feeder at night (the chickens are roosting so it's safe). During morning chores grandpa would flood any mice tunnels he saw with the garden hose. The mice would come running out and the chickens would take care of the rest.this was in North West Missouri so the bigger problem was dealing with the black snakes in the nesting boxes

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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #60 on: July 19, 2018, 04:48:13 AM »
My understanding from people with chickens,  is that they always attract rats. That's a big NO for me.

No rats for us.  Interestingly, we have lots of field rats out in the pasture (I see them when I'm mowing) but they leave the chicken feed alone.  We know because we have set up our trail cam a few times out of curiosity to see what critters are prowling around, and the only interesting thing we saw was a woodchuck who would sneak into the run during the day for a snack.  We raised the feeders up higher, and put a shelf underneath them that the chickens could jump up to, and solved that problem.

We haven't had any problem with mice either.  We have a healthy snake population here -- lots of black snakes, a/k/a the Farmer's Friend.  Those guys keep the mice down, eat copperheads, and don't bother the chickens, so win-win-win.   

Back when we lived in town with our chickens the only freeloaders we had were the house sparrows, who would help themselves to the chicken feed all day long. 

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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #62 on: July 19, 2018, 09:21:42 AM »
My understanding from people with chickens,  is that they always attract rats. That's a big NO for me.

My sister had 6 hens and after feed, heat etc. it was not very cost effective. However, she loved having them as pets.

And YES, she also had a Rat issue...

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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #63 on: July 19, 2018, 09:24:15 AM »
My understanding from people with chickens,  is that they always attract rats. That's a big NO for me.

We never had them on our old farm. Now we are in a city so I am curious to see.

Chickens and/or chicken feed attracts rats, pocket gophers, house sparrows and every panhandling trash panda for miles around.

Chickens eat any and all bugs that are attracted to their lifestyle, but they are in a coma at night so nocturnal mammals have free play.

Build a very sturdy coop or live with the small mammals as part of your local food web.

Chickens for eggs is in no way cost-effective IMHO, but they are useful household tools just the same: they are garbage disposals that till your soil and add fertility to your land. Old backyard chickens, when slaughtered, are poor meat but have the most gorgeous rendered golden fat you've ever seen, make good chicken stock and can themselves be composted.

We are on a chicken break right now but hoping to get back to it in 2019.

LMAO...Love this. ^^^

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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #64 on: July 22, 2018, 11:31:19 PM »
Our chickens ate our vegetable garden. In that respect, definitely not cost effective.

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« Reply #65 on: July 23, 2018, 04:37:05 AM »
My understanding from people with chickens,  is that they always attract rats. That's a big NO for me.

I live in a city that allows them.  My neighbor behind me had chickens, which attracted raccoons, opossums and rats.  I was so damn glad when they moved and the chickens were gone!

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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #66 on: July 23, 2018, 06:34:18 AM »
Our chickens ate our vegetable garden. In that respect, definitely not cost effective.

3 of my 6 somehow got in last week,and intheir panic to get out they trampled a row of beans to death.

Time to make the fence a few feet higher!

I plan to let them in intentionally in the fall after most stuff is harvested.

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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #67 on: July 23, 2018, 07:57:56 AM »
I'm certain raising chickens for eggs will be a financial loser.  Heck, you can buy a dozen eggs at Aldi's for $0.49 frequently.
Having said that, it is a fun and interesting hobby, and the quality of fresh eggs is far superior.   We buy them off my nephew's kids who raise chickens for 4-H.  They charge $2.00 per dozen but we always pay them $3-4.00.

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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #68 on: July 23, 2018, 11:42:51 AM »
I've had chickens on the want list for awhile. For those who have experience with rats or other pest issues, what is it exactly that is attracting them? The feed?

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« Reply #69 on: July 23, 2018, 12:45:09 PM »
Mice and rats like the feed. We exclude them (and other pests) by providing an enclosure that nothing can get in. We have coyotes, hawks and raccoons - all those really like to each chickens.

We have a 6’x6’ hen house with an attached 10’x12’ (6’ high) enclosure. The enclosure is built of 4”x4” and 2”x4” posts that have 1/4” hardware cloth attached. Nothing can tunnel in- we poured a stem wall. We can leave them for a better part of a week if needed- they can let themselves in and out without getting eaten by anything. I spend less in grain compared to when they had an open yard.

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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #70 on: July 23, 2018, 12:51:50 PM »
I'm going to reiterate because it seems some people missed an important point.  Raising chickens for eggs can be cost effective if you have enough chickens that you can sell extra eggs.  You can cover all costs and have free eggs for yourself.

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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #71 on: July 23, 2018, 01:51:00 PM »
Mice and rats like the feed. We exclude them (and other pests) by providing an enclosure that nothing can get in. We have coyotes, hawks and raccoons - all those really like to each chickens.

We have a 6’x6’ hen house with an attached 10’x12’ (6’ high) enclosure. The enclosure is built of 4”x4” and 2”x4” posts that have 1/4” hardware cloth attached. Nothing can tunnel in- we poured a stem wall. We can leave them for a better part of a week if needed- they can let themselves in and out without getting eaten by anything. I spend less in grain compared to when they had an open yard.

Correct.  Rodents go after the chicken feed.  So you want to have your feed stored either indoors, or if outside (in a shed or whatever) -- it needs to be in a rodent-proof container like a metal garbage can with a lid.  As for the food can itself that the chickens eat out of during the day, you want to get it up off the ground by hanging it. 

We have a similar set up to Cgbg above -- coop with attached secure run.  Nothing can get into our run when the door is shut because it has hardware cloth ceiling and walls, and is buried into the ground like a skirt all around.  During the day when our pop door is open and the chickens are outside varmints could theoretically go in to eat the feed, but the only critters who have done so were one woodchuck, and a bunch of house sparrows who figured it out.  No mice or rats.

When we lived in an urban setting with chickens, we had an integrated coop/run we made ourselves with plans by The Garden Coop.  Hardware cloth construction. No rats or mice got in.   




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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #73 on: August 02, 2018, 06:07:41 PM »
We’ve had chickens on our farm for a long time and no, they don’t break even. Here’s a few reasons why for us:
1.   We have exotic chickens. Expensive to begin with, but oh so beautiful to look at! (And they lay exotic-looking eggs!) https://www.mcmurrayhatchery.com/index.html
2.   We built a very nicely insulated chicken house to house these very nice looking chickens. It will never fall apart and you don’t have to heat it.

But there are some bonus items that make our chickens a valuable asset:
1.   They lay the BEST free range (and when I say free range, I mean they wander all around the farm yard) eggs!
2.   They provide the best fertilizer EVER for our bumper crop garden!
3.   My millennial children beg for these eggs and when we go anywhere for an extended time our neighbors knock each other over to take care of the chickens for the payment of free eggs.
4.   The chickens can live and produce eggs for a VERY long time. I think this may relate to item #1. One time my husband stopped our country vet and asked for some sulfa for a chicken. The vet asked, “Just how old is this chicken?” My husband thought for a few seconds and replied, “I think she’s thirteen!” The vet replied, “I think you got your money’s worth!”

About rats. Never had a problem. But the chicken house is next to a barn full of cats!

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« Reply #74 on: August 03, 2018, 07:01:59 AM »
My historical cost floats between $2-$2.50 a dozen using commercial breeds and conventional feed bought at retail bag prices ($10ish for 50lbs) and feeding all sorts of scraps. The eggs are PHENOMENAL, easily better than $4-5/dozen eggs at the farmers market, but you will NEVER beat out the price of eggs at the store, they have way too much automation and economy of scale behind them.

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« Reply #75 on: August 03, 2018, 08:29:12 AM »
We’ve had chickens on our farm for a long time and no, they don’t break even. Here’s a few reasons why for us:
1.   We have exotic chickens. Expensive to begin with, but oh so beautiful to look at! (And they lay exotic-looking eggs!) https://www.mcmurrayhatchery.com/index.html
2.   We built a very nicely insulated chicken house to house these very nice looking chickens. It will never fall apart and you don’t have to heat it.

But there are some bonus items that make our chickens a valuable asset:
1.   They lay the BEST free range (and when I say free range, I mean they wander all around the farm yard) eggs!
2.   They provide the best fertilizer EVER for our bumper crop garden!
3.   My millennial children beg for these eggs and when we go anywhere for an extended time our neighbors knock each other over to take care of the chickens for the payment of free eggs.
4.   The chickens can live and produce eggs for a VERY long time. I think this may relate to item #1. One time my husband stopped our country vet and asked for some sulfa for a chicken. The vet asked, “Just how old is this chicken?” My husband thought for a few seconds and replied, “I think she’s thirteen!” The vet replied, “I think you got your money’s worth!”

About rats. Never had a problem. But the chicken house is next to a barn full of cats!

When I moved to a city and couldn't have chickens anymore, I gave my flock to a good friend. She updates me on how they're doing. She only just lost the Roo to a predator of some sort 2 nights ago. I raised him from a chick back in 2006, so he was 12 years old. Some of the ladies are still alive, in the range of 9-11 years old. These probably weren't particularly ideal breeding either, they were just whatever local feed stores were carrying, like rhode island reds, wyandottes, and marans. It's pretty crazy just how long chickens can live.

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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #76 on: August 04, 2018, 06:39:52 AM »
How does everyone protect their chickens from hawks?

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« Reply #77 on: August 04, 2018, 06:47:12 AM »
When the kids were younger we raised our own flock of bantam chickens.  We got a lot of eggs, a smaller size.   
It was no way cheaper than buying but, it was fun and you get the freshest eggs!

Taught the kids care and feeding of animals and also the circle of like ... lots of predator activity. 


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« Reply #78 on: August 04, 2018, 07:04:03 AM »
Ah, hawks.  If you are lucky, you just won't have that problem.  When we lived in town we didn't, for whatever reason.  Now that we are in the country -- yes, we have hawks.  We freerange our chickens, and have lost one to a hawk since moving here three years ago. 

Options for protection all seem to have big downsides.  You can keep your chickens in a hardware cloth-enclosed run all the time (expense to build, chickens can't roam); you can get a rooster (they are loud, may not be allowed, good but not perfect hawk deterrent -- they can't be everywhere at once); you can try a livestock guardian dog (expensive, frequent barkers, require training, not ideal deterrent for an aerial predator).  You can also go with very large breed chickens (Jersey Giants, Brahmas) in the hope that their size alone will deter smaller hawks.  But large breed chickens will not have as good an egg-to-feed ratio, and size is not a foolproof deterrent either.  The chicken we lost to a hawk was one of our largest ones.  And our tiny little Crested Cream Legbars are batting 1000 so far against the hawks somehow. 

If you intend to let your chickens out of the run sometimes, probably your best bet is to provide some cover for them and then let them take care of the rest. The pasture where our chickens range has trees, bushes, brush piles, and loads of hiding places.  We have lots of hawk activity here, and the chickens are very very good at spotting them, alerting the flock, and diving for cover.  If we only lose one chicken every few years, I can live with that.


 
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« Reply #79 on: August 04, 2018, 07:11:19 AM »
How does everyone protect their chickens from hawks?

I’m in the city but we definitely have raptors here (I’ve seen them perched literally on top of my chicken run).

My hens have a covered run that’s 10x30 which also doubles as a roof for hanging rabbit cages. They also have access to another 20x30 yard that’s not roofed but is mostly under the dense canopy of a shade tree, as well as having some additional rabbit hutches out there so there’s lots of cover for them.

Not lost any in three years, doesn’t mean it’s perfect, of course, but nothing so far.

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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #80 on: August 04, 2018, 08:32:07 AM »
I'm going to reiterate because it seems some people missed an important point.  Raising chickens for eggs can be cost effective if you have enough chickens that you can sell extra eggs.  You can cover all costs and have free eggs for yourself.

If you sell your extra eggs, you may want to check your homeowner's insurance policy to see if it covers the potential liability in case your eggs have salmonella or something similar. If someone gets sick and sues, it will wipe out any profits and then some.

I have a small hobby farm and in my area the standard homeowner's insurance policies from both"State Farm" and "Farmer's Insurance" did not cover any liability for harm caused by livestock or livestock products - we had to go with a smaller local mutual insurance company that included such coverage.


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« Reply #81 on: August 04, 2018, 08:40:33 AM »
Have to vent!

I just got some more hens from a neighbor. One of the birds is a bad bad bird. I hate her. She's terrorizing everyone and she bird screams. She's louder than a frigging rooster. UGH

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« Reply #82 on: August 04, 2018, 09:03:20 AM »
Have to vent!

I just got some more hens from a neighbor. One of the birds is a bad bad bird. I hate her. She's terrorizing everyone and she bird screams. She's louder than a frigging rooster. UGH

She will make the tastiest soup or sausage then ;)

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« Reply #83 on: August 04, 2018, 09:57:36 AM »
My husband claimed that bird so it’s a tough sell to off her. Thinking of locking her in a cage for a few days


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« Reply #84 on: August 04, 2018, 11:44:40 AM »
My husband claimed that bird so it’s a tough sell to off her. Thinking of locking her in a cage for a few days


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« Reply #85 on: August 04, 2018, 01:18:44 PM »
My husband claimed that bird so it’s a tough sell to off her. Thinking of locking her in a cage for a few days


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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #86 on: August 04, 2018, 02:56:41 PM »
LOL, in my little hick town, I had a next-door neighbor - a woman that seemed to have a new "common-law" husband every year that shacked up with her and her kid - who raised chickens, evidently for the eggs: a bunch of hens and an evidently contented cock.  That cock would do his cockle-doodle-doo every morning upon twilight, LOL.

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Re: Is raising chickens for eggs cost effective?
« Reply #87 on: August 04, 2018, 05:36:46 PM »
For the record, a shelter for chickens is a coop. If the chickens rise up, overthrow their human masters and take over their house, that is a chicken coup.

To guard against a chicken coup, be sure to establish a deep coop.