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Impostor Syndrome and new job
« on: February 21, 2016, 09:03:45 AM »
I thought about starting up a new journal, but my last two are sitting stagnant.

For the past 9 months I have been working in a very entry level job in my county government.  It is in my education field (social work).  Meanwhile, I was taking every entry test possible in order to get a better job.  (Plus I got paid regular wage to go take the tests, so why not?)

I started scoring really high, into the number one spot on a couple tests.  It's government, so the process was really slow... apply... wait a few weeks... test... wait ... interview .... wait... rejection.  I interviewed for 3 different positions in 6-7 different departments and had a couple more lined up when...

I was offered a position in the Retirement Association!  FFFFFFFF Yeah!

Was it because I finally bought a suit before the second interview?  Maybe.  I also brought my A+ #1 100% game.  I was told to "come prepared" for the second interview.  So I made packets to hand out to the interviewers.  They weren't fancy by any means, but they stated that one of the projects I'd be doing was coming up with a new look for the retirement website, so I showed them how I'd do that.  Anyway, it must have worked.

The job is a huge raise in pay.  I'm on the executive management team, and I now make hourly what I used to make on overtime.

It's exciting.  The more I learn about it the more excited I get.  But there is another feeling that is creeping in ... Impostor Syndrome (dun dun DUN)

Anyone else felt this?  I know they picked me for a reason.  I'm a quick learner, so even though this job is out of my field (I'll be doing public information officer type-work. PR for government) I know I can pick up quick.  It's a bit fancier than I'm used to, so I'm spending more than I'm comfortable with on new work clothes.  And they don't feel like my clothes yet.  I feel like I'm playing dress up.

The position also never existed before, so there is some pressure because I'm not just picking up where someone left off, there is no blueprint.


Ah!  This was intended to be a happy post!!  I am happy.  Just happy and scared.

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Re: Impostor Syndrome and new job
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2016, 09:09:58 AM »
What you call "imposter syndrome" is a feeling of self-doubt common across one group of people: high achievers.  Many successful people feel that they are "imposters" and that it is only a matter of time until they are "found out".  Take your feeling as a sign you're a successful person :)

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Re: Impostor Syndrome and new job
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2016, 09:11:33 AM »
It is very common for (mostly) women to feel they do not deserve a certain position/salary, etc.  You do deserve it otherwise you would not have gotten it.  You should feel proud!

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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2016, 09:12:46 AM »
Congrats !
They picked you for a reason.
 You are the best person for the job.
Whatever you showed them, impressed them.

Some people always feel the imposter syndrome.....you are not alone.
It gives you a nice thirst to prove yourself.


Go get'em tiger

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Re: Impostor Syndrome and new job
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2016, 09:14:47 AM »
There is a reason we have the phrase 'fake it till you make it.'
The thing no one ever tells you is that there is no 'making' it.
We are all making it up as we go along.

I saw this the other day and thought it summed it up quite nicely:
https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnhzjP2MemqZDc4/giphy.gif

The older I get the more I realize how much everyone around me feels the same way.
I work in a creative field, and I've felt like an imposter for my entire career.
I've done what I do for over 20 years now.... I now find myself working with many people that are household names, and the more that my friends and family tell me "wow you've really made it," the more I feel like a complete fraud.

Whats funny is that I've talked about this with mentors over the years, people that I look up to as the 'real' people I'm trying to emulate much of the time.  Every single time they have all told me that at some point in their career they've felt like imposters.

Point is - yes, it is normal.
We tend to see everyone else as exactly where they should be.... and don't realize that everyone is doing everything for the first time.  We're all imposters... we're all faking it... as managers, as employees, as parents, as friends, etc.

Feeling fear and doubt is normal.
Doing new stuff takes courage...and courage doesn't mean not being afraid... it just means you feel the fear and do it anyway.

Just remember, they chose you for a reason.


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Re: Impostor Syndrome and new job
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2016, 09:23:58 AM »
There is a reason we have the phrase 'fake it till you make it.'
The thing no one ever tells you is that there is no 'making' it.
We are all making it up as we go along.

I saw this the other day and thought it summed it up quite nicely:
https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnhzjP2MemqZDc4/giphy.gif


The older I get the more I realize how much everyone around me feels the same way.
I work in a creative field, and I've felt like an imposter for my entire career.
I've done what I do for over 20 years now.... I now find myself working with many people that are household names, and the more that my friends and family tell me "wow you've really made it," the more I feel like a complete fraud.

Whats funny is that I've talked about this with mentors over the years, people that I look up to as the 'real' people I'm trying to emulate much of the time.  Every single time they have all told me that at some point in their career they've felt like imposters.

Point is - yes, it is normal.
We tend to see everyone else as exactly where they should be.... and don't realize that everyone is doing everything for the first time.  We're all imposters... we're all faking it... as managers, as employees, as parents, as friends, etc.

Feeling fear and doubt is normal.
Doing new stuff takes courage...and courage doesn't mean not being afraid... it just means you feel the fear and do it anyway.

Just remember, they chose you for a reason.

That really does sum it up nicely!! 

Thanks for the encouragement MMMers.  I guess there's something to the challenge aspect of it; if you feel like you know what you're doing, maybe that means it's time for a change.

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Re: Impostor Syndrome and new job
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2016, 10:21:23 PM »
As someone who spent most of his life surrounded by poverty, but after college found himself thrust suddenly into the ranks of a much higher socioeconomic class, I also experienced impostor syndrome. I was shocked by how fast things changed, the somewhat improbable series of events that lead to my new station, and sometimes found it hard to believe that I deserved my success. However, this was short lived.

From observing my colleagues, I quickly realized that many of them had been born into their socioeconomic class, and either took for granted or were expected by their parents to achieve a measure of success that I had previously only dreamed of. I also saw that many of the people who were vastly more successful than I were not more skilled, rather they had simply been in the right place at the right time. Seeing this really bothered me, since I had never enjoyed such privileges. Why should they deserve success when it was seemingly handed to them through their upbringing or just pure happenstance?

But then I looked back at my old classmates from high school, most of whom were still languishing in minimum wage jobs, somehow managing to work longer and harder than me and never seeing anything for it. The only thing that I could see that set me apart from them, that enabled me to achieve what they probably never will, was my own innate intelligence--something that I was simply born with, something that they could never earn no matter how hard they tried. This realization shook me to the core.

I realized that I was no different than those entitled yuppies with the rich parents, or the lucky individuals who struck it rich by joining the right company at the right time. We all got something that enabled our successes, not because we deserved it, not even because we earned it, but simply because we got it. I realized that if I had something, it didn't matter whether I deserved it or not, because the simple fact was that I had it, and trying to justify why I had it made no difference.

The world does not give people what they deserve, rather "deserve" is simply a concept that we humans have made up in an attempt to justify what the world has simply given to us or what we have managed to take for ourselves. In order to validate our own feelings, we crave an explanation for why we feel good when someone gets something in a way we approve of, or upset or envious when they get something in a way we disapprove of.

I believe impostor syndrome is a symptom of attempting to uphold one's belief in the concept of "deserving" when that belief is in conflict with reality. So I reject the concept of deserving. If I have something, I have it. If I can get something, I can get it. Existence. Cause and effect. That's just reality.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2016, 03:51:56 AM by Herbert Derp »

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Re: Impostor Syndrome and new job
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2016, 02:37:00 AM »
I'm not 100% sold on the conclusion, HD, but I love the rest of the post.  :)
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2016, 03:31:22 AM »
Thanks, I've been pondering this issue for a while now. I'd like to hear what your conclusion is, if you want to share.

Oh, I went back and edited my post to try and separate the concept of "deserving" from "earning." Earning can be more simply seen as a cause and effect type thing, like "I passed the job interview, therefore they hired me. Therefore I earned this job because I passed the interview." There really isn't anything to argue there, rather, it's the more abstract idea of "deserving" that I have a problem with, and that I believe is at the root of impostor syndrome.

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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2016, 03:48:41 AM »
Yes, it is better with deserving, rather than earning.  I don't think we "deserve" anything.

We can "earn" things, though hard work.  Improved mental and physical states, for example.  They aren't guaranteed to us (i.e. we don't "deserve" them, despite what work we put in), and we may be starting out more ahead of others, or behind, due to our position in life, genetics, etc., but wherever we're at, we can "earn" some things via self-improvement, IMO.

But yes, now with the "deserve" edit, I think I agree with it all.  The ending of it still sounds rather nihilist, but that may just be my reading of it.  I don't know that the last sentence or two is necessary, beyond the last instance of the word "deserving"--it expands the scope a lot more to stuff I potentially don't agree with, but would very much depend on some key definitions for things like "reality".  :)
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2016, 05:29:19 AM »
Herbert Derp  -  I find smart people everywhere I go.   There is no shortage of people who are smart in this world.   I do not believe that you were the "only" smart person among the people you knew growing up in poverty.

You may have been the only one who chose to do something about it, who made consistently good choices, and who did not give up.   THAT, I'll believe.

I would also believe that the reason you lost touch with some of the folks in your old neighborhood is because, like you, they got the hell out.  Maybe they just never went back.  My dad didn't go back until his 50th high school reunion.  His parents moved, too, so there was no one to spread the news of who well he had done.

Our media and all too many social activist groups act like no one can get ahead and that all [insert name of group  du jour] are too stupid and lazy to better themselves under any circumstance.   Hell, I think the mental poison in the subtext of their "help" is worse than any circumstance most of them are in.   We should be spreading the gospel of "how to succeed" instead of the miasma of despair.


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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2016, 11:19:28 AM »
I saw this the other day and thought it summed it up quite nicely:
https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnhzjP2MemqZDc4/giphy.gif

The tombstone made me lol

I guess there's something to the challenge aspect of it; if you feel like you know what you're doing, maybe that means it's time for a change.

Yes!  Something I started telling myself and others a while back:  'get in over your head'.  That's how you learn the most and that's when you'll make the big leaps and bounds in your career (or anything really).  If you're not in over your head you're stagnant (or close to it), imo.  You gotta stop and catch your breath sometimes, enjoy what you accomplished, etc, but if you're looking to move up, definitely do something that makes you nervous and you don't know if you're qualified.

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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2016, 01:24:53 PM »
It is very common for (mostly) women to feel they do not deserve a certain position/salary, etc.  You do deserve it otherwise you would not have gotten it.  You should feel proud!

Why do you think this is mostly women? It's super common among both sexes.

I work at a senior level in my field, everyone around me is highly skilled, intelligent and experienced. When this topic comes up everyone says they've felt like this all the time, haha!

I acknowledge the feeling when it comes, take a few breaths and get back to work. :)

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Re: Impostor Syndrome and new job
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2016, 01:28:02 PM »
It is very common for (mostly) women to feel they do not deserve a certain position/salary, etc.  You do deserve it otherwise you would not have gotten it.  You should feel proud!

Why do you think this is mostly women? It's super common among both sexes.

There are studies that show it either way.

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Some studies suggest that impostor syndrome is particularly common among high-achieving women,[2] while others indicate that men and women are equally affected.[3]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_syndrome
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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2016, 02:33:26 PM »
SwordGuy: of course I am not the only smart or successful person from my high school. Although my intelligence was not the only reason I was successful, I am certain that it has been an essential requirement for me to succeed in the way I have. I hate to admit it, but if I possessed the smarts of my former classmate who struggled to understand basic algebra and now answers phone calls at Pizza Hut, I wouldn't have been offered a six-figure job before I even graduated from college, having no prior work experience.

Without my intelligence, I'm sure I could have found some other way to succeed, but the key phrase is "could have." The odds for success would have been lower, as well as the expected degree of success. There's no way that the average hard-working student can expect to make six figures straight out of college. Hell, even I came within a hair's breadth of failing my job interview and accepting another job that paid half as much.

My point is that the world doesn't hand out rewards to those who "deserve" them. It only provides opportunity, and even if someone tries to seize the opportunities given to them, there is no way to guarantee success. Furthermore, many of these vital opportunities come to us completely out of our control, such as the circumstances of our birth.

To put it simply, the world is not fair. Although many people might whine about it, or give excuses for why they can't succeed, I instead advocate that it is every person's responsibility to try to take the opportunities that come their way. My advice for those people is you can sit and complain, or in spite of it all, you can fight. I choose to fight.
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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2016, 02:35:57 PM »
Love that.  You should write here more often, HD.  Or start a blog.
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« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2016, 03:03:08 PM »
SwordGuy: of course I am not the only smart or successful person from my high school. Although my intelligence was not the only reason I was successful, I am certain that it has been an essential requirement for me to succeed in the way I have. I hate to admit it, but if I possessed the smarts of my former classmate who struggled to understand basic algebra and now answers phone calls at Pizza Hut, I wouldn't have been offered a six-figure job before I even graduated from college, having no prior work experience.

Without my intelligence, I'm sure I could have found some other way to succeed, but the key phrase is "could have." The odds for success would be lower, as well as the expected degree of success. There's no way that the average hard-working student can expect to make six figures straight out of college. Hell, even I came within a hair's breadth of failing my job interview and accepting another job that paid half as much.

My point is that the world doesn't hand out rewards to those who "deserve" them. It only provides opportunity, and even if someone tries to seize the opportunities given to them, there is no way to guarantee success. Furthermore, many of these vital opportunities come to us completely out of our control, such as the circumstances of our birth.

To put it simply, the world is not fair. Although many people might whine about it, or give excuses for why they can't succeed, I instead advocate that it is every person's responsibility to try to take the opportunities that come their way. My advice for those people is you can sit and complain, or you can fight. I choose to fight.

This is well written.

On a side note, I am reading "Outliers" right now.  Interesting stuff.

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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2016, 03:29:33 PM »
I haven't heard of impostor syndrome before, but I can totally relate. I'm in grad school and feel like a phony all the time. Glad to know it is normal!