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Title: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: backandforth on February 09, 2015, 09:34:31 PM
If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it? do you feel guilty about it and plan to change?

For us the one that's most difficult to kick is the food part..

We don't eat out much anymore since conversion to the mustachian way (1-2/months, no fancy pants restaurants), but we do eat VERY well at home, I am a pretty awesome cook and more than half of our groceries are organic... and the finished products are restaurant quality and we are carnivores, so for 2 people, that add up to ~$600+$700 a month for food alone we kind of justify it by thinking hey it would have cost 3x-4x if we eat out for something similar (most dinners at home are 3-4 courses+ 1 or 2 drink... and I can put it together in an hour, my way of unwind) I cook most days even if I have to work some more after dinner, bigger production on weekends and we do love having friends over. If we could do it as average family standard, let alone the mustachian way, it could come down a lot

We tried a few days at a stretch on simpler and nutritious meals but the appetite always come back with a vengeance... BTW, we are not junk food eating fatties, both are pretty fit.. We shop Costco and local regular price grocery stores, occasionally Traders Joes for snacks, rarely ever Whole foods or the like..

Do you think this is something worth squeezing out? Do you have a habit that you want to kick but sort of justify in in your own way?

 
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Prepube on February 09, 2015, 09:47:53 PM
Dammit, I only get ONE?  I will never ever ever give up my occasional cigars and premium tequila.  Never.  No guilt, either. 
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Primm on February 09, 2015, 10:06:38 PM
I drive sports cars...

On the balance side, think about how much money I'm not spending for therapy.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Dimitri on February 09, 2015, 10:23:22 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to call it a habit.  More like a hobby.  I like good whiskey

“Hitch: making rules about drinking can be the sign of an alcoholic,' as Martin Amis once teasingly said to me. (Adorno would have savored that, as well.) Of course, watching the clock for the start-time is probably a bad sign, but here are some simple pieces of advice for the young. Don't drink on an empty stomach: the main point of the refreshment is the enhancement of food. Don't drink if you have the blues: it's a junk cure. Drink when you are in a good mood. Cheap booze is a false economy. It's not true that you shouldn't drink alone: these can be the happiest glasses you ever drain. Hangovers are another bad sign, and you should not expect to be believed if you take refuge in saying you can't properly remember last night. (If you really don't remember, that's an even worse sign.) Avoid all narcotics: these make you more boring rather than less and are not designed—as are the grape and the grain—to enliven company. Be careful about up-grading too far to single malt Scotch: when you are voyaging in rough countries it won't be easily available. Never even think about driving a car if you have taken a drop. It's much worse to see a woman drunk than a man: I don't know quite why this is true but it just is. Don't ever be responsible for it.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Hitch-22: A Memoir .
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: mrmoneycleanshaven on February 10, 2015, 12:38:47 AM
I'm a sucker for modern safety features in cars.

Brand new minivans are going for 30k.

Used ones with 100,000 miles are going for 10k.

Both are safer than my current subcompact, and the 10k van will go for another 100,000 miles, but I just can't seem to reason with myself.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: act0fgod on February 10, 2015, 12:47:19 AM
Golf, and not on run of the mill courses.  I like beautiful settings which means high property value and therefore high costs. 

To me it's very peaceful, like a walk in a garden but better.  In my mind hiking is the mustachian version of golf and I very much enjoy hiking, but I also like the challenge of golf and the fact that I can always do a little better.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: kander on February 10, 2015, 12:57:51 AM
I use a clothes dryer. Not planning on changing that; in fact we've just bought a new one (that's more energy-efficient then the one we had before)
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: NICE! on February 10, 2015, 01:37:04 AM
Travel. Big time.

I have other bad habits, too.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Copperwood on February 10, 2015, 06:00:31 AM
Sushi.

although i have cut back and not eaten it in months.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Retired To Win on February 10, 2015, 06:02:26 AM
My biggest Mustachian no-no is my book collecting passion.

I read and study history.  I could easily do that by checking out books at the public library.  But I like to be surrounded by books, especially those that are on topics I'm interested in and, yes, those I have already read.  So I spend a lot of my discretionary funds buying books -- whether at a buck a throw at a thrift store, or at $40-plus each from specialty publishers -- AND buying or making the bookshelves to house them.

However, since I'm already FIRE'd and my passive income far exceeds my basic living expenses... I am allowed to do this. (heh, heh, heh)
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: MsPeacock on February 10, 2015, 06:03:16 AM
Travel - I spend so much on travel.... I do try to be frugal about how I spend the money while traveling, but I am a sucker for opportunities to go somewhere.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: clarkm04 on February 10, 2015, 06:10:31 AM
Expensive beer.

I home brew along with hunting down or trading for rare beers.  It's not uncommon to drop 400 in a liquor store or 20 - 30 for one bottle.

Most I paid for beer was $45 for a wine bottle of Bruery Chocolate Rain.  Totally worth it to me, but fuck that's insane through the lens of MMM.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: rubybeth on February 10, 2015, 06:33:24 AM
Not really a habit, but a hobby. Concert tickets. My husband and I could save hundreds a year, but when our favorite bands come to town, we get tickets. We're not far from Minneapolis/St. Paul, so a lot of acts come through on their tours, and we have a blast at these shows. We also have season tickets to the orchestra; we both look forward to these concerts and enjoy them (and our time together) so much, we've decided it's worth it to keep going (and we are only paying student rates right now with DH in grad school, which helps significantly--we're seeing Gil Shaham perform a violin concerto this week for $12/ticket!!!).
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: 2Birds1Stone on February 10, 2015, 06:46:52 AM
Good microbrew beer, sushi, motorcycle touring. Those are my top 3.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Schaefer Light on February 10, 2015, 07:49:24 AM
Golf, beer/wine, travel.  I spend roughly the same amount on these 3 categories each year.  Could probably retire 2 or 3 years sooner by eliminating these "habits", but then what would I do in retirement?
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: kander on February 10, 2015, 08:05:56 AM
Sushi.

although i have cut back and not eaten it in months.

We make our own sushi! It's not difficult, it tastes the same, but for half of the price or maybe even less!!
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: flamingo25 on February 10, 2015, 08:07:33 AM
Long showers, especially on a cold day.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: LiveLean on February 10, 2015, 08:18:08 AM
I eat at Chipotle 4-5 times a week, though I'd argue it's not that anti-MMM.

For starters, you get a lot of nutrition for that $7. I get a cup of water, always get the burrito bowl with guacamole and tons of lettuce. And if the cashier doesn't notice the guac under all of that lettuce, I'm not going to correct him/her for the $1.90 surcharge. If they do notice, I'm still only at $9. Plus, I order half chicken and half carnitas, but the servers tend to treat it as a serving of each, so it's almost like getting double meat.

Also -- this is often dinner, not lunch.

I also own Chipotle stock, which flies in the face of MMM by holding individual stocks.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Davids on February 10, 2015, 08:19:50 AM
Beer, good craft or foreign beer. Sure I could try homebrewing but i won't so I pay for others excellent beer. I am also by no means a beer snob as i will throw down a miller or coors if the mood is right.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: backandforth on February 10, 2015, 08:50:04 AM
Thanks for sharing! feel better now. We all have our own modified mustachian way to make life a bit more interesting in our own way. I am gonna make a leg of lamb this weekend for party!
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: MrsK on February 10, 2015, 08:50:16 AM
Mine is a good haircut and color every 6-8 weeks.  I am a bit vain and as I get older, nice hair makes me feel like I am aging gracefully.  I tried to go 12 weeks and was putting graying hair into a bun and decided this is one way I want to spend my money.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: JLee on February 10, 2015, 10:52:50 AM
I drive sports cars...

On the balance side, think about how much money I'm not spending for therapy.

lol, this.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: GW on February 10, 2015, 11:36:42 AM
Golf, and not on run of the mill courses.  I like beautiful settings which means high property value and therefore high costs. 

To me it's very peaceful, like a walk in a garden but better.  In my mind hiking is the mustachian version of golf and I very much enjoy hiking, but I also like the challenge of golf and the fact that I can always do a little better.

I couldn't agree more. Golfing is my happy place
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Cookie78 on February 10, 2015, 11:42:59 AM
Travel and Long Distance Boyfriend. I know that's two things, but they are related.

Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: AlwaysBeenASaver on February 10, 2015, 11:48:18 AM
My most anti-MMM habit is living in the high cost of living area I live in, in a house that's bigger than I need, on a property that's bigger than I need; and I don't plan to give that up.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: RunHappy on February 10, 2015, 12:25:45 PM
Manicures and pedicures.   I've tried doing them myself but end up with sloppy looking nails.  I love the time out going to the salon gives me, the conversations, and leaving with hands looking pretty.  I've curbed the frequency in which I visit the salon, but I still go.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: southern granny on February 10, 2015, 06:18:37 PM
Eating out.  I have cut back on it, but will not cut it out.  I enjoy it.  Its relaxing and a lot of the time when we eat out it is socializing with another couple.  We don't have alcohol and we don't eat at expensive restaurants.  At the most, we spend $35 including taxes and tip.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Wadiman on February 10, 2015, 07:10:17 PM
A good hi-fi system and ongoing purchasing of records - for me listening to high quality audio is a very relaxing experience.

Luckily once a system is purchased and it's good quality it should last for many years - my first system is still going strong - amplifier, speakers and tuner are all 32 years old with no repair.  Unbelievably the CD player has been going without fail since 1985!
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: greaper007 on February 10, 2015, 07:37:25 PM
I eat meat, we drink a box of wine a week, I drive a (very old) car, I buy memberships for museums and the zoo so the kids have something to do, I travel, I have a projector, a kegerator etc.

Most of my expensive stuff falls under the durable goods category.   I hate spending a lot of money on something that only happens once.   For things like travel I generally opt for the cheapest (though safe) option available.   
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: tracylayton on February 10, 2015, 08:49:01 PM
Weekly golf (sometimes twice a week) and a monthly massage keep a smile on my face.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: NV Teacher on February 10, 2015, 09:19:33 PM
School stuff.  I spend WAY too much on things for my classroom.  I keep doing it because it makes my life easier.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Bookworm on February 10, 2015, 09:36:02 PM
Driving! MMM would be appalled at how much driving I do. I haul my kids hither and yonder all week long...some of it is voluntary (lessons, social activities, 100 miles RT to see my 86-year-old grandma, etc.) and some of it is required (DD's school, dad's house), but some of it is pretty far. Nothing here is walkable except an expensive grocery store and drug store, and I cannot even imagine trying to bike back up the hill between here and there. In fact, a problem I have with my spine makes it pretty hard to bike anywhere, although I haven't totally given up.

Do I plan to stop? Yes, someday my children will be grown up and I'd like to move somewhere I can get around without driving, or driving much. But for now, I'm driving 25,000 - 30,000 miles annually without guilt. Moving isn't an option at the moment, and I think the things the kids are doing are really important to their growth and development. It's not forever, but it's right for now.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Little Nell on February 10, 2015, 09:50:17 PM
My horse. But saving money elsewhere makes him possible.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: TheBuddha on February 10, 2015, 10:20:34 PM
Golf

+1
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: johnny847 on February 10, 2015, 10:28:28 PM
Travel I suppose? Of my ~24k spending last year, $2k was on travel.
But at the same time, my trips to Sydney and Spain were paid for by my school (I went to conferences) so I was not paying full sticker price.
Also, I'm young, single, and have incredibly flexibility with respect to my "job." I'm a grad student, getting paid hourly as a grad research assistant. I've finished all my classwork, so it's just research all the time for me. Since I'm paid hourly, my advisor doesn't really care that I go on vacation sometimes. I fell like I should take advantage of my situation while I can.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: rocketpj on February 11, 2015, 01:12:05 AM
Used to be my sailboat, but it was breaking the bank so I had to sell it.

Now I think it's taking my kids to their various sports activities.  I sure spend a lot of time doing it, and I sure spend a lot of money on it.  Our older son has always been athletic and loves it, and I did choose to have the kid, so I guess that's my hobby for the next few years.

Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: davisgang90 on February 11, 2015, 03:59:58 AM
I have plenty.  My current obsession is photography.  Hoping to make some money off it at some point, but it is expensive.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Tabaxus on February 11, 2015, 09:35:09 AM
Liquor.  We drink a lot of alcohol, especially wine.  Not super expensive--our staple is trader joes stuff, about 1/2 $3 chuck (which we do enjoy) 1/2 stuff in the $8-10 range (which we also enjoy, sometimes more than the $3 stuff, sometimes less).  We also do about 2 crates a year of stuff in the $10-20 range.  We drink more expensive scotch ($60-80 range), but more sparingly. 

Used to be a bottle of wine with dinner ~3 days a week, a glass of cheaper scotch (i.e., JW red) as a nightcap, and a drink or two throughout the day on Saturdays/Sundays (e.g., irish coffee).  We've cut down--mostly because I need to lose weight and this is an easy target--but this is one of our pleasures in life.

Eating out.  Spent $400/month on restaurants last year, lots of that being lunches at work.  Cutting back on that--I've packed lunch every day this year so far for days that lunch isn't covered by work/I'm not traveling.  Aim is a cap of $200/month on restaurants.  Managed to get it in for $100 in Jan.  Will be higher for Feb (spouse birthday).  Fortunately, spouse enjoys cooking (I'm terrible at it and don't have time during the week).

Phone bill.  We both have iPhones.  I am required to have one for work (only options are Blackberry or iPhone) and my data gets paid for, but I'm not going to ask spouse to have some a cricket phone while I'm using an iPhone.  This ends up being $150 a month for both of us, with about half of that being spouse's piece that we could probably cut back. 

Coffee/tea.  Spouse is a tea fanatic, I am a coffee fanatic.  No access to Sam's Club etc for bulk coffee beans, so I end up paying about $10 a bag (I do not go to coffee shops though).  I go through.. a lot.. of coffee.  Spouse goes through a lot of tea and does not buy cheap stuff (not buying super expensive either, though it's a pretty easy gift for most situations).

I don't have too too much guilt about this stuff because we spent about $48k last year all-in (including our $1,350 of monthly rent and a $6k vacation) on income over $200k, so we're doing ok with saving.  But not as well as we could if we went to extremes.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: xDavidx on February 11, 2015, 09:48:25 AM
Motorcycles. I have two and feel like I need three.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Emerald on February 11, 2015, 10:15:50 AM
Coffee, specifially mochas.  I need an intervention.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: damize on February 11, 2015, 10:36:21 AM
Travel. In Europe, I rode the train or the discount airlines all over the place. Here in SoCal I'm driving, be it to the coast, to see family, or in the case of this upcoming weekend, to the Grand Canyon.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Shor on February 11, 2015, 10:52:04 AM
Eating out.. once a week: $8 a pop for all you can eat pizza + soda
6000+ Calories in a sitting? Yes please.... I mean No! No no no no nonononono... okay maybe one last time...
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: cashstasherat23 on February 11, 2015, 11:11:40 AM
Travel. I keep my spending pretty low, and even while traveling I try to do it on a budget with AirBNB and eating at less costly local restaurants, but I love to see the world, and think that it is money well spent.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: johnny847 on February 11, 2015, 11:22:12 AM
Travel. I keep my spending pretty low, and even while traveling I try to do it on a budget with AirBNB and eating at less costly local restaurants, but I love to see the world, and think that it is money well spent.
I wholeheartedly agree. I don't take much issue with either myself or others spending money on experiences as opposed to stuff, so long it's all spending that is well within your means and you understand that that spending is pushing back FI/RE.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: cashstasherat23 on February 11, 2015, 11:25:40 AM
Travel. I keep my spending pretty low, and even while traveling I try to do it on a budget with AirBNB and eating at less costly local restaurants, but I love to see the world, and think that it is money well spent.
I wholeheartedly agree. I don't take much issue with either myself or others spending money on experiences as opposed to stuff, so long it's all spending that is well within your means and you understand that that spending is pushing back FI/RE.

Agreed. I am working on getting my boyfriend to stop spending money on gifts for holidays, birthdays, etc, and instead take trips or have an experience together. So far for Xmas we took a trip to Quebec, and for Valentine's day we are having a homecooked meal and watching movies at home, instead of spending a ridiculous amount on a prixe fix meal.  The memories are worth much more to me than another sparkly necklace....although I do love the glitz, I also tend to break or lose them quite easily!
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: celticmyst08 on February 11, 2015, 12:11:53 PM
Eating out. My husband works from home and honestly he NEEDS to get out of the house some nights or he goes crazy... so we have a weekly date night and then go out on the weekends usually. We are lucky to have a lot of cheap places around here (especially Vietnamese and Mexican) where we can eat for <$10, and we get a lot of Groupon/Amazon Local deals, so that helps us stretch the budget farther and go out more often while still staying at our budget.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: JimLahey on February 11, 2015, 02:01:09 PM
Phone bill.  We both have iPhones.  I am required to have one for work (only options are Blackberry or iPhone) and my data gets paid for, but I'm not going to ask spouse to have some a cricket phone while I'm using an iPhone. This ends up being $150 a month for both of us, with about half of that being spouse's piece that we could probably cut back. 

You can use an iPhone on Cricket. They actually sell Cricket branded iPhones on their site or you can transfer yours if it's a GSM phone.

I would say my one habit that I hope to break is drinking soda. I love Mountain Dew. I know water is better for me and would save me money in dental bills but it's a hard habit for me to break.

Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Tabaxus on February 11, 2015, 02:05:51 PM
Phone bill.  We both have iPhones.  I am required to have one for work (only options are Blackberry or iPhone) and my data gets paid for, but I'm not going to ask spouse to have some a cricket phone while I'm using an iPhone. This ends up being $150 a month for both of us, with about half of that being spouse's piece that we could probably cut back. 

You can use an iPhone on Cricket. They actually sell Cricket branded iPhones on their site or you can transfer yours if it's a GSM phone.

I would say my one habit that I hope to break is drinking soda. I love Mountain Dew. I know water is better for me and would save me money in dental bills but it's a hard habit for me to break.

Not an option for us unfortunately (concerns about the security infrastructure on the discount carriers). 
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: JLee on February 11, 2015, 02:09:12 PM
Phone bill.  We both have iPhones.  I am required to have one for work (only options are Blackberry or iPhone) and my data gets paid for, but I'm not going to ask spouse to have some a cricket phone while I'm using an iPhone. This ends up being $150 a month for both of us, with about half of that being spouse's piece that we could probably cut back. 

You can use an iPhone on Cricket. They actually sell Cricket branded iPhones on their site or you can transfer yours if it's a GSM phone.

I would say my one habit that I hope to break is drinking soda. I love Mountain Dew. I know water is better for me and would save me money in dental bills but it's a hard habit for me to break.

Not an option for us unfortunately (concerns about the security infrastructure on the discount carriers).
Security like what? Cricket runs on AT&T's network.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: EllieStan on February 11, 2015, 02:16:07 PM
We currently own 2 cars. Our goal is to move closer to our jobs when my fiancé finishes his degree, and get rid of one car.

Eating out is one of our habits, but I don't feel guilty about it at all. It's even planned in our monthly grocery budget since I am pretty much the only one who cooks : sometimes I just need a break. We also like to eat out in fancier restaurants for special occasions (3-4 times a year). It's part of the ''own less, experience more'' lifestyle we chose. Eventually, it will apply to travels, no shame. 
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: be on February 11, 2015, 02:17:42 PM
Only one?  Cause I have several guilty pleasures.  And may I just say OP -- thanks for the thread.

1. Cable and my DVR.  Yes I know.  I like my tv, what can I say?  I've decreased the bill.  But I haven't been able to cut the chord.
2. Gardener.  I hate yard work.  It makes me very cross just thinking about it, let alone actually doing it. Yuck.  Don't think I'll be cutting this one.
3. Travel. I just love seeing different places and learning new things.  However I try my best to keep those travel expenses down.  I'm not giving that one up either.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: ChaseJuggler on February 11, 2015, 06:35:19 PM
I pay someone to clean our house once a month for $100. It's some of the best money we spend, because it's a giant monthly reset button for the entire place.

My GF is a bit more messy than I am around the house, but we've had zero arguments about it. I just look at any clutter/messes and think, "not worth caring about -- it'll look perfect again in about 8 days."

We pretty much have zero fights. =)
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Bracken_Joy on February 11, 2015, 07:14:42 PM
Dog grooming. It saves us both trauma and saves me a ton of cleanup. Until I have a place with a bathtub (so she can't streak out of the shower stall as easily) or a backyard, I'll stick with the expense.

Also, wine.

Also, the occasional latte. Sometimes I just need to work somewhere other than my desk at home. I consider the coffee the cost of the "rent".
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: fiddlefaddle on February 11, 2015, 07:19:24 PM
I have more than one, but getting my hair colored at a fancy salon is pretty high up on the list of anti-mustachian habits for me.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: NV Teacher on February 11, 2015, 07:28:23 PM
Motorcycles. I have two and feel like I need three.

That's how I feel about sewing machines.  I have four and feel like I need another one.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: seanc0x0 on February 11, 2015, 07:31:47 PM
I have 2 major vices...

1. Ham radio. I have spent way too much on radios and antennas, and it has at times been a major source of stress in my life (mostly with dealing with governments w.r.t permissions for antenna towers).  I've been actively downsizing in this department, though, as it was getting a bit out of hand.

2. Guitars.  $84 a month for lessons, and in the last year I've somehow gone from 1 to 4 guitars... that said, I've at least always been able to afford the guitars without debt. I could start a thread in the Antimustashian forum for the things I've overheard wannabe rockstars talking about in the lesson waiting room!
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: dungoofed on February 11, 2015, 07:32:02 PM
I have a journal entry half typed up on my work PC about vices like these! For me the list is beer, locally-roasted premium coffee beans and baths on cold evenings.

The good thing is that identifying them gives you a place to start if you ever need to tighten the belt.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: m8547 on February 11, 2015, 10:06:10 PM
I drive an SUV that gets 18mpg on the highway, or 12mpg in town if it's too cold to bike. It was also very expensive to purchase (used), so there's a lot of money tied up depreciating rather than being invested.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Riff on February 11, 2015, 11:38:09 PM
Yeah, I've probably got a lot of bad habits...

If I had to choose one to be the least mustashian, it would have to be travel.  I have a thing for Venice & Florence.  And Mexican beaches.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Sunnymo on February 12, 2015, 12:51:15 AM
Motorcycles. I have two and feel like I need three.

That's how I feel about sewing machines.  I have four and feel like I need another one.

This strikes a chord in my family. My mother is at five sewing machines and an overlocker plus a coverstitch machine. The correct answer to the question 'how many sewing machines are enough?' Is apparently 'one more than I currently own'. But she does makes all of own clothes, the majority of my father's, the bridesmaids dresses and her own outfit for my wedding and many of the soft furnishings in their house. She sews every day.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Davin on February 12, 2015, 06:34:26 AM
Fine wine. My SO works in the industry, so we always taste for free, and get a 20-33%discount on any that we buy, but we drink 4-5 bottles of the stuff each week. We are very conscious of value, but it still isn't cheap.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Bracken_Joy on February 12, 2015, 08:29:34 AM
Fine wine. My SO works in the industry, so we always taste for free, and get a 20-33%discount on any that we buy, but we drink 4-5 bottles of the stuff each week. We are very conscious of value, but it still isn't cheap.

Want a friend in Oregon? :D
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Apocalyptica602 on February 12, 2015, 08:39:41 AM
Computer games / simulators.

I build all my own computers, although even in pure parts from Newegg / TigerDirect etc they don't end up being cheap. (I do build a step or two above the TOP of the line though since that's often nearly double the price for maybe 5-10% performance gain)

I play all sorts of flight / space / driving simulators. DCS, XPlane, Elite: Dangerous, Assetto Corsa, Euro Truck Simulator etc.

My set-up is nowhere near as nice as THIS but this is similar to the end goal (http://i.imgur.com/dkJJO.jpg).

Although I have an Oculus Rift prototype (Virtual Reality Headset). So if Oculus' consumer version in mid late 2015 / early 2016 is as amazing as we all expect, I might not need more than 1 screen.



Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Retire-Canada on February 12, 2015, 09:06:10 AM
I've got a clown car. I wouldn't buy it again today, but I'm not going to sell it either. I'm going to drive it for 300K kms+.

I'll probably buy another different clown car when it's gone though - a travel van. I love doing sports all over [MTB, surfing, etc..] so having a vehicle I can live out of on the road will be pretty sweet.

I've seen folks doing this out of mini-vans and that doesn't appeal to me despite being more Bad Ass!

-- Vik

Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Davin on February 12, 2015, 09:44:01 AM
Fine wine. My SO works in the industry, so we always taste for free, and get a 20-33%discount on any that we buy, but we drink 4-5 bottles of the stuff each week. We are very conscious of value, but it still isn't cheap.

Want a friend in Oregon? :D

Sure. We could take you wine tasting in exchange for a place to stay. What part of Oregon are you in? We have been meaning to get up to the Willamette Valley for some time now; so far, we have done some tasting down in the Rogue Valley because it is much closer to home.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Teddy25 on February 12, 2015, 10:37:17 AM
I am a private pilot.  I am in a flying club/partnership that owns a handful of planes.  Have to go get the $100 burger every couple of weeks.

Travel would also be one.  But the credit card bonuses paying for 80% of it.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: MsFrugalista on February 12, 2015, 10:49:02 AM
1. Travel. This has been ~10% of our spending over the last 5 years. This has gone down over the last couple of years thanks to travel hacking.
2. "Fancy" restaurants (~10% of our spending) (especially when we travel) - we have significantly stopped this and probably will continue to go down with our little one in our life now.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: ldk on February 12, 2015, 11:10:28 AM
Another vote for concerts.  And the good seats are more expensive for a reason. 

We try to get out to local lounges to see live music regularly as well (which is pretty mustachian) but tickets to any major act are simply not cheap. (and we have seen a lot of major acts:)
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: gt7152b on February 12, 2015, 11:29:00 AM
'how many sewing machines are enough?' Is apparently 'one more than I currently own'.

Cyclists always say the appropriate number of bikes is n+1. I imagine it's the same for most any hobby.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Bracken_Joy on February 12, 2015, 12:41:20 PM
Fine wine. My SO works in the industry, so we always taste for free, and get a 20-33%discount on any that we buy, but we drink 4-5 bottles of the stuff each week. We are very conscious of value, but it still isn't cheap.

Want a friend in Oregon? :D

Sure. We could take you wine tasting in exchange for a place to stay. What part of Oregon are you in? We have been meaning to get up to the Willamette Valley for some time now; so far, we have done some tasting down in the Rogue Valley because it is much closer to home.

We're up in PDX right now. I love the valley, grew up there in a small town. There are some really great wineries around- pretty much everyone I went to college with got married at one.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: DLVT on February 12, 2015, 02:07:58 PM
 I will never give up my gym membership.  It's the best 30 dollars I spend all month - especially in the Winter.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Mississippi Mudstache on February 12, 2015, 02:26:45 PM
Restaurants are probably are our primary anti-Mustachian habit. We spend around $200/month eating out. I would prefer to cut that number down to around $100/month, but eating out is more important to DW than to me.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Retire-Canada on February 12, 2015, 02:54:06 PM
Cyclists always say the appropriate number of bikes is n+1. I imagine it's the same for most any hobby.

This is true, but those same cyclists have to work full-time for all the fancy bikes so they can actually ride them much!

I was going to buy a sweet new motorcycle this year to replace my current one. Then I asked myself...would I rather ride my current bike as much as I want for say ~6 months [because I'd be FI sooner] or have that sweet new bike and mostly just look at it in my parking spot at work while I paid for it.

-- Vik
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Chuck on February 12, 2015, 03:43:51 PM
I have several:

Cable (FiOS and HBO. $100 per month)

iPhone 6 (plan is 35 dollar pay-go though)

Occasional Starbucks

Eat out usually once per week, but once in a while twice.

Video Games
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: NV Teacher on February 12, 2015, 05:12:01 PM
'how many sewing machines are enough?' Is apparently 'one more than I currently own'.

Cyclists always say the appropriate number of bikes is n+1. I imagine it's the same for most any hobby.

That was my dad and his guns.  He had more than he needed, but not as many as he wanted.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Yankuba on February 12, 2015, 06:35:46 PM
1. Eating out
2. Expensive birthday parties for Little Yankuba
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: freeazabird on February 12, 2015, 06:46:57 PM
I have the same guilty pleasure as you OP, eating well. I've recently taken up cooking and really enjoy it. If my husband and I spend $600 on groceries for the month for the two U.S., I pat myself o. The back. Sometimes we spend more. I'm trying to figure out ways to brimg this down but still eat well.
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Post by: Indexer on February 12, 2015, 08:34:58 PM
1.  Eating out. 

2.  Sportscar.  It is an older car with no loan, but it isn't super fuel efficient.  If I try to get the best mileage possible by hypermiling I can almost squeeze out 30mpg.  Last tank I averaged 28pmg which is above the car's stated highway MPG so I was proud to manage that(since I'm driving it in a city 90% of the time).  I don't drive a whole lot so its efficient enough that I'm still paying very little in fuel costs(<$50/month).  It's also in great shape for it's age, and I would hate to sell it for something more fuel efficient just to have it bite me in repairs. 
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: SaintM on February 12, 2015, 08:41:31 PM
I'll take the biggest slap on this question....$20k a year for the kids' gymnastics practices and meets.  On the flip side, those kids' muscles are scuplted out of iron.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Bracken_Joy on February 12, 2015, 08:45:33 PM
I'll take the biggest slap on this question....$20k a year for the kids' gymnastics practices and meets.  On the flip side, those kids' muscles are scuplted out of iron.

I'm guessing they compete? That stuff gets expensive FAST. It wasn't nearly *that* much when I was a kid, but it was still like $2k/yr+.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Debtless in Texas on February 12, 2015, 08:48:06 PM
Alcohol...lots of good booze - often from Scotland and rhymes with Lagavulin distillers edition
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: SaintM on February 12, 2015, 08:53:07 PM
I'll take the biggest slap on this question....$20k a year for the kids' gymnastics practices and meets.  On the flip side, those kids' muscles are scuplted out of iron.

I'm guessing they compete? That stuff gets expensive FAST. It wasn't nearly *that* much when I was a kid, but it was still like $2k/yr+.

I include their practices, leotards and other clothing, and expenses of going to meets all over the Midwest. Yes, the shit adds up fast!  Jacks up the grocery bill, too.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Bracken_Joy on February 13, 2015, 08:10:18 AM
I'll take the biggest slap on this question....$20k a year for the kids' gymnastics practices and meets.  On the flip side, those kids' muscles are scuplted out of iron.

I'm guessing they compete? That stuff gets expensive FAST. It wasn't nearly *that* much when I was a kid, but it was still like $2k/yr+.

I include their practices, leotards and other clothing, and expenses of going to meets all over the Midwest. Yes, the shit adds up fast!  Jacks up the grocery bill, too.

The grocery bill is a great point (and I don't envy you there!). I really don't understand how people with 3 teens are feeding their family on here for like $500. To be fair, me and my brothers were/are very tall very active people, but we ATE. Even with a huge garden, preserving the produce, and hunting for a lot of meat, we still cleaned out two fridges on a weekly basis. (We did have friends around a lot too, I bet that didn't help). I remember in high school after a match sitting down to a whole roast chicken, a can of corn, and a box of rice-a-roni and eating it all in one sitting. That's what some people plan for a family dinner.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: CommonCents on February 13, 2015, 08:55:29 AM
A house isn't a "habit" so I'll go with travel.
DH would select dining out, unfortunately.  I've learned it does significant damage to our relationship if I don't agree to going out at a wildly unmustachian rate (DH would be happy/prefer to eat takeout every night), which is still less than DH wants.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: NoraLenderbee on February 13, 2015, 12:13:56 PM
We keep the house warm instead of keeping it cool and wearing more clothes.

I wouldn't call this one a habit, exactly, because it's something I don't do often--I prefer to buy cars new rather than used. Then I drive them as long as possible (18 years and counting with my current car).
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Dr. Pepper on February 13, 2015, 01:40:19 PM
Just discovered this site, so still trying to rectify a bunch of mistakes we made early on but, 1. expensive luxury SUV   2. Travel/Vacations( 2-3 a year)  3. high cost of living area (median income is around 120k per family). 4. Large house, with correspondingly large payment. 5. Cable/High Speed Fiber optic internet. So far I have started biking to the grocery store, started tracking weekly expenses to limit frivolous purchases, bought a clipper set to start doing own haircuts. Wife has student loans almost paid off, which will open up an extra 5k a month for savings. On track to double income in job within the next 5-7yr, will avoid further lifestyle expansion at all costs.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: MandalayVA on February 13, 2015, 01:57:33 PM
Going to sporting events and getting the good seats.  It's not a frequent thing since we usually combine it with our vacations, but we're seriously considering retiring to Pittsburgh and if we do I am definitely getting Penguins season tickets.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: malligator on February 13, 2015, 04:29:46 PM
I have a gas-guzzling Jeep and a noisy Harley. I offset that fact by biking to work as much as possible (26 miles r/t).
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Michael792 on February 13, 2015, 06:43:57 PM
While most of my income is purely discretionary, it is fairly low and I'm trying to save for FIRE. That being said, the stress of my current workplace drove me to start smoking. I've been unable to kick it so far, but plan on quitting entirely when I go back stateside. I'll be closer to family and have less stress. On top of that, my family is very against smoking and my sister has two young children. I may not have the motivation to quit while living overseas, but I know I'll be able to when I'm home.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Goldielocks on February 13, 2015, 07:41:19 PM
Kids activities. Definitely.

Currently saving $3500 so my son can go an an exchange to NZ for two weeks.

Naturally this means DD will go to local 4wk art school this summer for $2k, to be equal and fair...


I cut it down to $80 or less per month ( each) a couple of years ago, and here I go again!
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Fatmouse on February 13, 2015, 07:48:53 PM

iPhone 6 (plan is 35 dollar pay-go)

How is this possible?  Explain!  :)
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: JimLahey on February 14, 2015, 02:19:28 AM

iPhone 6 (plan is 35 dollar pay-go)

How is this possible?  Explain!  :)


Cricket has a $35 plan with 2.5GB of data. Of course you have to pay the $600-700 for the iPhone 6 outright.
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Post by: SnackDog on February 14, 2015, 03:43:09 AM
Property
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Fatmouse on February 14, 2015, 11:59:01 AM

iPhone 6 (plan is 35 dollar pay-go)

How is this possible?  Explain!  :)


Cricket has a $35 plan with 2.5GB of data. Of course you have to pay the $600-700 for the iPhone 6 outright.

Thanks for the info!  I'm stuck in a stupid anti-Mustachian service contract, but I will remember Cricket when the timing is more favorable.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: lauren_knows on February 14, 2015, 12:30:32 PM
Eating and drinking good edibles.  As someone else said, I'm a pretty good cook myself, am a carnivore, and buy a lot of organic meats. The grocery bill sort of adds up fast. No regrets. I also like good coffee.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: mnsaver on February 15, 2015, 05:51:55 PM
Soda... I know it would be so much better if I could stop but I can't seem to. I've cut way down though. Also going out to eat but I generally go to local restaurants that get make everything from scratch, get their supplies from other local businesses. I consider this "putting my money where my values are" so I don't really mind. I try to be more deliberate vs. I don't want to cook, I'll just go pick something up. Considering I live downtown in a major city temptation is all around.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: clarkfan1979 on February 15, 2015, 06:21:04 PM
Travel and Booze. However, we rarely got a hotel when traveling. We typically stay with friends and family. We also typically drink at home or at friends/family house. We might hit up a bar when traveling, but we go to bars about once every 2 months where we live.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Roadhog on February 15, 2015, 07:19:04 PM
Good wine.  We tried drinking boxed wine but just couldn't do it.  Now we keep our purchases in the $10-$16 range and we never buy single bottles.  Always a case at a time to get the 15% case discount.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: willow on February 15, 2015, 07:44:15 PM
Cookies.

Though I need to kick the habit. It's doing nothing for my abs. As Paul Simon put it, "Why am I soft in the middle now?"

So other than cookies, I'm going to go with spending way too much money on live shows. I love a good concert. By gum I'll pay that 80$ Pearl Jam ticket, if it's the only way I'll get to see them live now.
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: PatStab on February 15, 2015, 07:44:55 PM
The motorhome, if my husband had the time he could do most of the maintenance.  Hiring it done is a horrible expense.  That is my one very big vice. He can fix and do most anything, but eventually we will get to old to do so.

I only get the lawn done if I'm out of town, then its $150 a time as its 4 acres.  Shouldn't have got such a big yard for our old age.  I used to mow 2 acres at our house and at all the rent houses so at least I'm not hauling it all over like I used to.

Cable TV is a big indulgence.  We are thinking of Netflix and a big antenna later.  The programming isn't even very good anymore.

We keep our house about 75 and 76 summer and winter.  I like being warm in winter and not real cold in the summer. 

I too have 4 sewing machines, A genome professional machine with walking foot wonderful machine.  A regular older Sears Kenmore, a White serger over 25 years old, and a newer coverstitch.  I have lost 20 pounds and I like sewing but like it better if I don't have to do tons of alternations.  I can upholster furniture, finish drywall, make curtains, and clothes and I do all the yardwork.  Haven't sewn much the last 2 years but will again. I have tons of fabric back, its washed and in cabinets so it won't fade, also patterns, notions, and accessories.  I wouldn't start sewing nowadays to expensive to get started.

I have spent to much money on clothing and accessories in the past and need to stop that too.

That's pretty much it.

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Post by: dungoofed on February 15, 2015, 08:39:46 PM
Cable TV is a big indulgence.  We are thinking of Netflix and a big antenna later.  The programming isn't even very good anymore.

My friend said that it feels like they aren't even trying these days. "We've lost this battle, just put any old crap on there."
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Ozstache on February 15, 2015, 09:03:59 PM
Forgive me fellow mustachians, for I have sinned! I replaced my patchy, weedy rear lawn with beautiful, spendypants rolled turf.

Before:
(http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx82/kawabungaoz/before_zpshnadyeva.jpg) (http://s744.photobucket.com/user/kawabungaoz/media/before_zpshnadyeva.jpg.html)
After:
(http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx82/kawabungaoz/after_zpscxyxvexe.jpg) (http://s744.photobucket.com/user/kawabungaoz/media/after_zpscxyxvexe.jpg.html)

My reasoning? Firstly, we stare at this lawn most of the time we are home as it surrounds our family room windows. Having nice turf makes this view so much more pleasurable. Secondly, my dogs absolutely love lush lawn. They now lay on it and romp around on it (and wee/poop on it - not so good!). Thirdly, it is not that big an area (45sqm) and the lawn type is buffalo which is a low maintenance, low watering requirement variety.

On a more mustachian note, my wife and I did dig up the old lawn, prepare the new surface and lay the new turn ourselves by hand. This amounted to the movement of around 3.5 tonnes of dirt and sod using shovels, buckets and a small wheelbarrow. It took us 5 days to recover from the sore muscles!
Title: Re: If you have just one anti-mustachian habit, what is it?
Post by: Lyngi on February 15, 2015, 10:36:42 PM
Horses.  We have 2 horses.  I would have 1 million net worth if we hadn't started that hobby, but DH wouldn't have his current job.  He loves his job, but it is hard on the body, he is a farrier.  My DD would be boy crazy right now instead of horse crazy.  I love my horses and they have given a lot of pleasure over the years.  We are now spending real quality time with my parents and sister which is priceless.  I am teaching them all how to ride.