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« Reply #200 on: September 13, 2022, 02:01:23 PM »
I would like to live close to Redwood National Park and all the state redwood parks around it. I've taken vacations there a couple of times and loved the cool weather and old growth forests. I currently live in a suburb near Cleveland and we have a nice county wide park system called the Metroparks. The adjacent counties have similar park systems. They have picnic pavilions and baseball diamonds, but also have some mostly undisturbed forests with extensive trails. I try to visit a park weekly.

Ohio forests are a let down after visiting a redwood forest. We have nice forests if you know where to look, but they're not nice in absolute terms. They're just nice for Ohio. It would be nice live some place where the nearby parks have old growth redwood forests.

Practically, I don't know if I could afford to live in California. The cost of living is still higher than the midwest. I don't want to contribute to overburdening utilities and water supplies that are already struggling to keep up with demand. I'm also not sure if I want to deal with the threat of wildfires either. California would be my destination if money were no object and I could afford to abandon it at the drop of a hat.

@mies - You may want to checkout Brookings, Oregon or thereabouts. We’re in Oregon (not Brookings) but what you described may make Brookings appealing to you. VERY close to the redwood forests and yet not as expensive as California. FWIW, I, too, absolutely adore the redwood forests and would live among them if I could.

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« Reply #201 on: September 13, 2022, 02:58:32 PM »
I would like to live close to Redwood National Park and all the state redwood parks around it. I've taken vacations there a couple of times and loved the cool weather and old growth forests. I currently live in a suburb near Cleveland and we have a nice county wide park system called the Metroparks. The adjacent counties have similar park systems. They have picnic pavilions and baseball diamonds, but also have some mostly undisturbed forests with extensive trails. I try to visit a park weekly.

Ohio forests are a let down after visiting a redwood forest. We have nice forests if you know where to look, but they're not nice in absolute terms. They're just nice for Ohio. It would be nice live some place where the nearby parks have old growth redwood forests.

Practically, I don't know if I could afford to live in California. The cost of living is still higher than the midwest. I don't want to contribute to overburdening utilities and water supplies that are already struggling to keep up with demand. I'm also not sure if I want to deal with the threat of wildfires either. California would be my destination if money were no object and I could afford to abandon it at the drop of a hat.

@mies - You may want to checkout Brookings, Oregon or thereabouts. We’re in Oregon (not Brookings) but what you described may make Brookings appealing to you. VERY close to the redwood forests and yet not as expensive as California. FWIW, I, too, absolutely adore the redwood forests and would live among them if I could.

That's true. I saw a little bit of Brookings going to the trail head for the Redwood Nature Trail in Siskiyou National Forest. It's my understanding that this trail has the farthest north naturally occurring redwoods.

Brookings looks like it might be a little light on amenities. I've been spoiled by where I live now. I complain about Cleveland in my post for being boring, but it's convenient for everyday living. I'm close to just about any grocery or big box store you can name, a decent airport, and there are no issues with getting health care. I read a post on Reddit about living in Crescent City and one of the residents complained about how limited their access was to healthcare providers. Brookings looks like it might be the same or worse.

Oregon is on my list of places to visit. I think one of the national forests there has the tallest Douglas fir, so I definitely want to see that. Maybe I'll change my mind about California after I get a chance to visit Oregon.

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« Reply #202 on: September 13, 2022, 05:24:22 PM »
I would like to live close to Redwood National Park and all the state redwood parks around it. I've taken vacations there a couple of times and loved the cool weather and old growth forests. I currently live in a suburb near Cleveland and we have a nice county wide park system called the Metroparks. The adjacent counties have similar park systems. They have picnic pavilions and baseball diamonds, but also have some mostly undisturbed forests with extensive trails. I try to visit a park weekly.

Ohio forests are a let down after visiting a redwood forest. We have nice forests if you know where to look, but they're not nice in absolute terms. They're just nice for Ohio. It would be nice live some place where the nearby parks have old growth redwood forests.

Practically, I don't know if I could afford to live in California. The cost of living is still higher than the midwest. I don't want to contribute to overburdening utilities and water supplies that are already struggling to keep up with demand. I'm also not sure if I want to deal with the threat of wildfires either. California would be my destination if money were no object and I could afford to abandon it at the drop of a hat.

@mies - You may want to checkout Brookings, Oregon or thereabouts. We’re in Oregon (not Brookings) but what you described may make Brookings appealing to you. VERY close to the redwood forests and yet not as expensive as California. FWIW, I, too, absolutely adore the redwood forests and would live among them if I could.

That's true. I saw a little bit of Brookings going to the trail head for the Redwood Nature Trail in Siskiyou National Forest. It's my understanding that this trail has the farthest north naturally occurring redwoods.

Brookings looks like it might be a little light on amenities. I've been spoiled by where I live now. I complain about Cleveland in my post for being boring, but it's convenient for everyday living. I'm close to just about any grocery or big box store you can name, a decent airport, and there are no issues with getting health care. I read a post on Reddit about living in Crescent City and one of the residents complained about how limited their access was to healthcare providers. Brookings looks like it might be the same or worse.

Oregon is on my list of places to visit. I think one of the national forests there has the tallest Douglas fir, so I definitely want to see that. Maybe I'll change my mind about California after I get a chance to visit Oregon.

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« Reply #203 on: September 15, 2022, 08:00:42 AM »
I've been watching CityNerd on Youtube. He's got an incredibly monotone voice and dry presentation but he's interesting. It's mostly about transit but the newest one was about crime in the bigger cities and how it affects the price of housing.
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« Reply #204 on: September 15, 2022, 08:18:58 AM »
I would like to live close to Redwood National Park and all the state redwood parks around it. I've taken vacations there a couple of times and loved the cool weather and old growth forests. I currently live in a suburb near Cleveland and we have a nice county wide park system called the Metroparks. The adjacent counties have similar park systems. They have picnic pavilions and baseball diamonds, but also have some mostly undisturbed forests with extensive trails. I try to visit a park weekly.

Ohio forests are a let down after visiting a redwood forest. We have nice forests if you know where to look, but they're not nice in absolute terms. They're just nice for Ohio. It would be nice live some place where the nearby parks have old growth redwood forests.

Practically, I don't know if I could afford to live in California. The cost of living is still higher than the midwest. I don't want to contribute to overburdening utilities and water supplies that are already struggling to keep up with demand. I'm also not sure if I want to deal with the threat of wildfires either. California would be my destination if money were no object and I could afford to abandon it at the drop of a hat.

@mies - You may want to checkout Brookings, Oregon or thereabouts. We’re in Oregon (not Brookings) but what you described may make Brookings appealing to you. VERY close to the redwood forests and yet not as expensive as California. FWIW, I, too, absolutely adore the redwood forests and would live among them if I could.

mmm....  Chetco brewery!  A very good reason to live there.

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« Reply #205 on: September 15, 2022, 08:52:16 AM »
I would like to live close to Redwood National Park and all the state redwood parks around it. I've taken vacations there a couple of times and loved the cool weather and old growth forests. I currently live in a suburb near Cleveland and we have a nice county wide park system called the Metroparks. The adjacent counties have similar park systems. They have picnic pavilions and baseball diamonds, but also have some mostly undisturbed forests with extensive trails. I try to visit a park weekly.

Ohio forests are a let down after visiting a redwood forest. We have nice forests if you know where to look, but they're not nice in absolute terms. They're just nice for Ohio. It would be nice live some place where the nearby parks have old growth redwood forests.

Practically, I don't know if I could afford to live in California. The cost of living is still higher than the midwest. I don't want to contribute to overburdening utilities and water supplies that are already struggling to keep up with demand. I'm also not sure if I want to deal with the threat of wildfires either. California would be my destination if money were no object and I could afford to abandon it at the drop of a hat.

@mies - You may want to checkout Brookings, Oregon or thereabouts. We’re in Oregon (not Brookings) but what you described may make Brookings appealing to you. VERY close to the redwood forests and yet not as expensive as California. FWIW, I, too, absolutely adore the redwood forests and would live among them if I could.

That's true. I saw a little bit of Brookings going to the trail head for the Redwood Nature Trail in Siskiyou National Forest. It's my understanding that this trail has the farthest north naturally occurring redwoods.

Brookings looks like it might be a little light on amenities. I've been spoiled by where I live now. I complain about Cleveland in my post for being boring, but it's convenient for everyday living. I'm close to just about any grocery or big box store you can name, a decent airport, and there are no issues with getting health care. I read a post on Reddit about living in Crescent City and one of the residents complained about how limited their access was to healthcare providers. Brookings looks like it might be the same or worse.

Oregon is on my list of places to visit. I think one of the national forests there has the tallest Douglas fir, so I definitely want to see that. Maybe I'll change my mind about California after I get a chance to visit Oregon.
Lack of health care facilities is a real problem on the OR coast and coast range (I'm on the north end of the coast range). Brookings is known to have some of the best weather on the coast, but definitely light on ameneties.
I grew up in one rain forest (Olympic peninsula) and now live in another (OR coast).
I'd probably choose Maui as my preference if the list wasn't limited to US choices only ;-)
Or maybe Pt Roberts, WA: water on three sides and the border with Canada on the fourth.

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« Reply #206 on: September 15, 2022, 10:00:50 AM »
I would like to live close to Redwood National Park and all the state redwood parks around it. I've taken vacations there a couple of times and loved the cool weather and old growth forests. I currently live in a suburb near Cleveland and we have a nice county wide park system called the Metroparks. The adjacent counties have similar park systems. They have picnic pavilions and baseball diamonds, but also have some mostly undisturbed forests with extensive trails. I try to visit a park weekly.

Ohio forests are a let down after visiting a redwood forest. We have nice forests if you know where to look, but they're not nice in absolute terms. They're just nice for Ohio. It would be nice live some place where the nearby parks have old growth redwood forests.

Practically, I don't know if I could afford to live in California. The cost of living is still higher than the midwest. I don't want to contribute to overburdening utilities and water supplies that are already struggling to keep up with demand. I'm also not sure if I want to deal with the threat of wildfires either. California would be my destination if money were no object and I could afford to abandon it at the drop of a hat.

@mies - You may want to checkout Brookings, Oregon or thereabouts. We’re in Oregon (not Brookings) but what you described may make Brookings appealing to you. VERY close to the redwood forests and yet not as expensive as California. FWIW, I, too, absolutely adore the redwood forests and would live among them if I could.

That's true. I saw a little bit of Brookings going to the trail head for the Redwood Nature Trail in Siskiyou National Forest. It's my understanding that this trail has the farthest north naturally occurring redwoods.

Brookings looks like it might be a little light on amenities. I've been spoiled by where I live now. I complain about Cleveland in my post for being boring, but it's convenient for everyday living. I'm close to just about any grocery or big box store you can name, a decent airport, and there are no issues with getting health care. I read a post on Reddit about living in Crescent City and one of the residents complained about how limited their access was to healthcare providers. Brookings looks like it might be the same or worse.

Oregon is on my list of places to visit. I think one of the national forests there has the tallest Douglas fir, so I definitely want to see that. Maybe I'll change my mind about California after I get a chance to visit Oregon.
Lack of health care facilities is a real problem on the OR coast and coast range (I'm on the north end of the coast range). Brookings is known to have some of the best weather on the coast, but definitely light on ameneties.
I grew up in one rain forest (Olympic peninsula) and now live in another (OR coast).
I'd probably choose Maui as my preference if the list wasn't limited to US choices only ;-)
Or maybe Pt Roberts, WA: water on three sides and the border with Canada on the fourth.

Nice. I went to Olympic National Park on my honeymoon. That was the first time I saw a genuinely big tree. There were still some pretty big Sitka spruces there.

Thanks for confirming that. I'm not too concerned about healthcare stuff right now, but my wife's family has a history of cancer. If she ever needs to get treatment, we want to make sure we don't have to drive 3 hours to see a doctor.

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« Reply #207 on: September 15, 2022, 11:04:44 AM »
I grew up in one rain forest (Olympic peninsula) and now live in another (OR coast).
I'd probably choose Maui as my preference if the list wasn't limited to US choices only ;-)

Maui is US. Just not continental US.  Hawai'i is a state.

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« Reply #208 on: September 15, 2022, 05:14:26 PM »
I grew up in one rain forest (Olympic peninsula) and now live in another (OR coast).
I'd probably choose Maui as my preference if the list wasn't limited to US choices only ;-)

Maui is US. Just not continental US.  Hawai'i is a state.
Why did it take a Canadian to point that out?

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« Reply #209 on: September 15, 2022, 05:37:39 PM »
I grew up in one rain forest (Olympic peninsula) and now live in another (OR coast).
I'd probably choose Maui as my preference if the list wasn't limited to US choices only ;-)

Maui is US. Just not continental US.  Hawai'i is a state.
Why did it take a Canadian to point that out?

Giggle.    ;-)

Basically if I were going to live in the US, cost not an issue, resident status not an issue, it would most likely be Hawai'i.  Although I laughed inside the last time I was there (2002), when a resident told me "we are not like the rest of the US".  Having just spent 7 weeks in New Zealand and Australia, I very politely did not say "Yes you are".  They are unlike the rest of the US in that they have the Union Jack quartered on their state flag.  Don't see that elsewhere in the US.    ;-)

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« Reply #210 on: September 15, 2022, 05:51:40 PM »
I grew up in one rain forest (Olympic peninsula) and now live in another (OR coast).
I'd probably choose Maui as my preference if the list wasn't limited to US choices only ;-)

Maui is US. Just not continental US.  Hawai'i is a state.
Why did it take a Canadian to point that out?

Giggle.    ;-)

Basically if I were going to live in the US, cost not an issue, resident status not an issue, it would most likely be Hawai'i.  Although I laughed inside the last time I was there (2002), when a resident told me "we are not like the rest of the US".  Having just spent 7 weeks in New Zealand and Australia, I very politely did not say "Yes you are".  They are unlike the rest of the US in that they have the Union Jack quartered on their state flag.  Don't see that elsewhere in the US.    ;-)

I have enjoyed visiting Hawai’i the three times I was there. But weirdly, I could never live there, because I started to feel oddly claustrophobic. There is something disconcerting about driving around a small island and realizing the only way to get off of it is by boat or plane.

I never would have guessed I’d have that reaction. But no thank you. 

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« Reply #211 on: September 15, 2022, 06:34:08 PM »
I grew up in one rain forest (Olympic peninsula) and now live in another (OR coast).
I'd probably choose Maui as my preference if the list wasn't limited to US choices only ;-)

Maui is US. Just not continental US.  Hawai'i is a state.
Why did it take a Canadian to point that out?

Giggle.    ;-)

Basically if I were going to live in the US, cost not an issue, resident status not an issue, it would most likely be Hawai'i.  Although I laughed inside the last time I was there (2002), when a resident told me "we are not like the rest of the US".  Having just spent 7 weeks in New Zealand and Australia, I very politely did not say "Yes you are".  They are unlike the rest of the US in that they have the Union Jack quartered on their state flag.  Don't see that elsewhere in the US.    ;-)

I have enjoyed visiting Hawai’i the three times I was there. But weirdly, I could never live there, because I started to feel oddly claustrophobic. There is something disconcerting about driving around a small island and realizing the only way to get off of it is by boat or plane.

I never would have guessed I’d have that reaction. But no thank you.

I lived in Hawai’i, and I felt that same odd claustrophobic feeling as well.  It’ a wonderful place with amazing people and a rich culture, but ultimately I found it the most difficult place to live because I felt like a complete outsider (yup, a “haole”).  It’s a Polynesian island culture 5,000 miles and six time zones from my family.

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« Reply #212 on: September 15, 2022, 06:43:34 PM »
I grew up in one rain forest (Olympic peninsula) and now live in another (OR coast).
I'd probably choose Maui as my preference if the list wasn't limited to US choices only ;-)

Maui is US. Just not continental US.  Hawai'i is a state.
Why did it take a Canadian to point that out?

Giggle.    ;-)

Basically if I were going to live in the US, cost not an issue, resident status not an issue, it would most likely be Hawai'i.  Although I laughed inside the last time I was there (2002), when a resident told me "we are not like the rest of the US".  Having just spent 7 weeks in New Zealand and Australia, I very politely did not say "Yes you are".  They are unlike the rest of the US in that they have the Union Jack quartered on their state flag.  Don't see that elsewhere in the US.    ;-)

I have enjoyed visiting Hawai’i the three times I was there. But weirdly, I could never live there, because I started to feel oddly claustrophobic. There is something disconcerting about driving around a small island and realizing the only way to get off of it is by boat or plane.

I never would have guessed I’d have that reaction. But no thank you.

I grew up on the Island of Montreal.  I contemplated moving to Vancouver Island.  I would love to move to New Zealand.

I guess I am good with islands.   ;-)

My biggest issue might be the lack of seasons.

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« Reply #213 on: September 15, 2022, 06:48:35 PM »
I grew up in one rain forest (Olympic peninsula) and now live in another (OR coast).
I'd probably choose Maui as my preference if the list wasn't limited to US choices only ;-)

Maui is US. Just not continental US.  Hawai'i is a state.
That was said with mock solidarity with the Hawaiian people, many of whom believe that Hawaii was stolen by the US from the Hawaiian people. I happen to agree with them,fwiw.

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« Reply #214 on: September 15, 2022, 06:53:24 PM »
But this type of rural living seems to be very much based around the New England town setup. Our town is 1000 people but we have our own select board, town meeting, elementary schools, etc. neighbors need to cooperate to make it all work. Our form of government was very similar to Small Towns in England. I and I am  not sure you would get the same vibe in more rural counties in other parts of the country that were founded by more tribal and  skeptical Scotts. Also our town was 70% Biden in 2020

This is an interesting assessment. I lived in two small towns in North Carolina, and really disliked both towns both due to dramatic fear of "the other"... racism, xenophobia, skepticism of people who moved there from other locations (I heard a lot of "you ain't from around here," despite 15 years in that approximate area), hostility towards education and the educated, etc. I think I could enjoy a small town in theory, but NC small towns definitely were NOT the right small towns for me!

I haven't spent any considerable time in New England, but the small towns up there definitely sound infinitely more civilized, friendly, and appealing. Unfortunately, I grew up in Florida and have low tolerance for prolonged, dark winters and extreme cold. I've never consider English vs. Scottish influences and how they relate to North vs. South issues, but that's an interesting idea!

We'd love to move from our current town in Florida (it's very... umm... "aggressive," for lack of a better word, and has a reputation in our area for being pretty trashy/rednecky), but we're struggling to decide where to go. Our family is all in FL, NC, and SC and my husband is a big family guy, so he doesn't want to go any further north than NC. Leading contenders right now are Raleigh/Durham or Wilmington, but I have some reservations.

I agree with the small town NC assessment, I was miserable in Wilson. I made it 14 months before I moved back to Raleigh and just commuted 45 miles each way.

I dated a girl in college from Wilmington, so we went there a lot (free place at the beach basically!). I don’t think I’d want to live there. It’s a super car-dependent city, and not all that easy to get around on a bicycle. Lots of big roads with a lot of traffic and it a lot of small ones. That was 10 years ago, maybe it’s better now.

I loved Raleigh though. I live in Asheville right now and I’d move back to Raleigh if I could find a decent job there. It’s such a “medium” city, which sounds backhanded, but it’s really the best thing about it. It’s small enough that it feels like there’s a sense of community, but it’s big enough to have the conveniences of a larger place. It also doesn’t take 3 hours to get from one side to the other. 

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« Reply #215 on: September 15, 2022, 08:00:19 PM »
I grew up in one rain forest (Olympic peninsula) and now live in another (OR coast).
I'd probably choose Maui as my preference if the list wasn't limited to US choices only ;-)

Maui is US. Just not continental US.  Hawai'i is a state.
That was said with mock solidarity with the Hawaiian people, many of whom believe that Hawaii was stolen by the US from the Hawaiian people. I happen to agree with them,fwiw.

Aah, that makes sense. just didn't come through the first time.

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« Reply #216 on: September 16, 2022, 09:36:55 AM »
But this type of rural living seems to be very much based around the New England town setup. Our town is 1000 people but we have our own select board, town meeting, elementary schools, etc. neighbors need to cooperate to make it all work. Our form of government was very similar to Small Towns in England. I and I am  not sure you would get the same vibe in more rural counties in other parts of the country that were founded by more tribal and  skeptical Scotts. Also our town was 70% Biden in 2020

This is an interesting assessment. I lived in two small towns in North Carolina, and really disliked both towns both due to dramatic fear of "the other"... racism, xenophobia, skepticism of people who moved there from other locations (I heard a lot of "you ain't from around here," despite 15 years in that approximate area), hostility towards education and the educated, etc. I think I could enjoy a small town in theory, but NC small towns definitely were NOT the right small towns for me!

I haven't spent any considerable time in New England, but the small towns up there definitely sound infinitely more civilized, friendly, and appealing. Unfortunately, I grew up in Florida and have low tolerance for prolonged, dark winters and extreme cold. I've never consider English vs. Scottish influences and how they relate to North vs. South issues, but that's an interesting idea!

We'd love to move from our current town in Florida (it's very... umm... "aggressive," for lack of a better word, and has a reputation in our area for being pretty trashy/rednecky), but we're struggling to decide where to go. Our family is all in FL, NC, and SC and my husband is a big family guy, so he doesn't want to go any further north than NC. Leading contenders right now are Raleigh/Durham or Wilmington, but I have some reservations.

I agree with the small town NC assessment, I was miserable in Wilson. I made it 14 months before I moved back to Raleigh and just commuted 45 miles each way.

I dated a girl in college from Wilmington, so we went there a lot (free place at the beach basically!). I don’t think I’d want to live there. It’s a super car-dependent city, and not all that easy to get around on a bicycle. Lots of big roads with a lot of traffic and it a lot of small ones. That was 10 years ago, maybe it’s better now.

I loved Raleigh though. I live in Asheville right now and I’d move back to Raleigh if I could find a decent job there. It’s such a “medium” city, which sounds backhanded, but it’s really the best thing about it. It’s small enough that it feels like there’s a sense of community, but it’s big enough to have the conveniences of a larger place. It also doesn’t take 3 hours to get from one side to the other.

Raleigh is definitely appealing, but my in-laws are in North Myrtle Beach. I feel pretty sure that my husband would want us to visit at least once a month, and the 3-hr drive from Raleigh to NMB would get old pretty quickly. Ultimately, I think it will come down to where we are on the path to FIRE when we move. I can't really see us moving to Raleigh unless my husband was still working and we needed the work opportunities. (I'm a freelance writer, so my work isn't at all location-dependent.)

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« Reply #217 on: September 20, 2022, 12:14:04 PM »
I have enjoyed visiting Hawai’i the three times I was there. But weirdly, I could never live there, because I started to feel oddly claustrophobic. There is something disconcerting about driving around a small island and realizing the only way to get off of it is by boat or plane.

I never would have guessed I’d have that reaction. But no thank you.

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« Reply #218 on: September 20, 2022, 07:44:05 PM »
I lived in Hawai’i, and I felt that same odd claustrophobic feeling as well.  It’ a wonderful place with amazing people and a rich culture, but ultimately I found it the most difficult place to live because I felt like a complete outsider (yup, a “haole”).  It’s a Polynesian island culture 5,000 miles and six time zones from my family.

The main reason why Hawaii is not on my dream list is because of this. We vacationed on Molokai many years ago and it was beautiful and wonderful, but there were signs on many properties saying something like "Hawaii for Hawaiians" - I don't remember the exact slogan, but the sentiment was basically "there are too many haole buying up our land and making it too expensive for us and displacing our culture." I felt bad enough in our vacation rental; I'd feel terrible living among people who didn't want me there. Of course maybe it's different on the larger islands. The other reasons are the huge distance to the mainland and, of course, the high cost.

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« Reply #219 on: September 20, 2022, 09:46:00 PM »
I lived in Hawai’i, and I felt that same odd claustrophobic feeling as well.  It’ a wonderful place with amazing people and a rich culture, but ultimately I found it the most difficult place to live because I felt like a complete outsider (yup, a “haole”).  It’s a Polynesian island culture 5,000 miles and six time zones from my family.

The main reason why Hawaii is not on my dream list is because of this. We vacationed on Molokai many years ago and it was beautiful and wonderful, but there were signs on many properties saying something like "Hawaii for Hawaiians" - I don't remember the exact slogan, but the sentiment was basically "there are too many haole buying up our land and making it too expensive for us and displacing our culture." I felt bad enough in our vacation rental; I'd feel terrible living among people who didn't want me there. Of course maybe it's different on the larger islands. The other reasons are the huge distance to the mainland and, of course, the high cost.

Although I've never heard of actual signs in yards, the same complaints from Oregonians, Idahoans and Wyomingans(? is that right?) as well as I think many Washingtonians, Coloradans and Utahns (but for some reason not Nevadans or Arizonans, in my hearing anyway) about Californians moving there is just one other reason that would give me pause about moving to those states that would otherwise be contenders. I hate to be just another unwelcome Californian trying to find a place with sometimes-similar weather but lower COL. (as distinct from HI's high COL but better weather than most of those places.)  Californians are hated pretty much everywhere, so I'm happy to let the folks that really want/need to leave brave the disapproval and sometimes worse that they'll face as former residents of the source of all evil on this planet.

But it can get kind of on the reductio ad absurdum track in that people in certain places in CA get exasperated with people from urban/dense areas like SF/LA (not as often San Diego!) moving to their areas of the state and even within cities you can get annyance about people from X neighborhood moving into Y neighborhoods.  From where I live right now, I'm not sure there's anywhere I'm "allowed" to move that the people there wouldn't roll their eyes and say I'm what's wrong with the world these days.

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« Reply #220 on: September 20, 2022, 10:30:21 PM »
I'd find it hard to leave AK permanently. I could really see having a small second home someplace warm and dry like the desert south west for 3-5 months a year. I live in NM long enough to give it first look, but that would mostly be for friends. Southern CO is also nice. I think the most likely answer will be traveling Oct - Jan and living in AK the rest of the year once DW stops working.

I don't think it would be a great fit for you Villanelle because of the cold and mosquito sensitivity.

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« Reply #221 on: September 21, 2022, 07:16:58 AM »
I lived in Hawai’i, and I felt that same odd claustrophobic feeling as well.  It’ a wonderful place with amazing people and a rich culture, but ultimately I found it the most difficult place to live because I felt like a complete outsider (yup, a “haole”).  It’s a Polynesian island culture 5,000 miles and six time zones from my family.

The main reason why Hawaii is not on my dream list is because of this. We vacationed on Molokai many years ago and it was beautiful and wonderful, but there were signs on many properties saying something like "Hawaii for Hawaiians" - I don't remember the exact slogan, but the sentiment was basically "there are too many haole buying up our land and making it too expensive for us and displacing our culture." I felt bad enough in our vacation rental; I'd feel terrible living among people who didn't want me there. Of course maybe it's different on the larger islands. The other reasons are the huge distance to the mainland and, of course, the high cost.

According to Wikipedia, Hawaii is predominantly Asian - with Filipino and Japanese being two of the largest groups, not Polynesian.
         2010      2020
White      24.7%   22.9%
Asian      38.6%   37.2%
Hawaiian/
Pacific Islander   10.0%   10.8%
Black      1.6%   1.6%
Native Amer   0.3%   0.3%
Other race      1.2%   1.8%

My understanding of 'haole' is that it's usually used against white people.  This makes me wonder if the "Hawaii for Hawaiians" bit is purely an anti-white thing, or if it mostly targets the Asian ethnic group that's actually pushing out native Hawaiians.

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« Reply #222 on: September 21, 2022, 07:46:11 AM »
Although I've never heard of actual signs in yards, the same complaints from Oregonians, Idahoans and Wyomingans(? is that right?) as well as I think many Washingtonians, Coloradans and Utahns (but for some reason not Nevadans or Arizonans, in my hearing anyway) about Californians moving there is just one other reason that would give me pause about moving to those states that would otherwise be contenders. I hate to be just another unwelcome Californian trying to find a place with sometimes-similar weather but lower COL. (as distinct from HI's high COL but better weather than most of those places.)  Californians are hated pretty much everywhere, so I'm happy to let the folks that really want/need to leave brave the disapproval and sometimes worse that they'll face as former residents of the source of all evil on this planet.

But it can get kind of on the reductio ad absurdum track in that people in certain places in CA get exasperated with people from urban/dense areas like SF/LA (not as often San Diego!) moving to their areas of the state and even within cities you can get annyance about people from X neighborhood moving into Y neighborhoods.  From where I live right now, I'm not sure there's anywhere I'm "allowed" to move that the people there wouldn't roll their eyes and say I'm what's wrong with the world these days.

I think that's a bit different because the ones in Hawaii who are complaining are descendants of the native population before the state was colonized. "We don't like you Californians" is different because it's not as if current residents of Oregon have any more claim to the land than any other American who might like to live there. Native Hawaiians have a credible argument that they do.

Now, of course all Native Americans could make a similar complaint all over the continental United States. The difference is that almost everywhere you go in the continental US, with some exceptions, one doesn't feel that resentment as strongly as in Hawaii (well, as strongly as I did on that specific trip to Molokai). I'm 100% aware that the reason for this is generally that the native population has been wiped out and is simply not there to object. That doesn't make me feel good, either, but one has to live somewhere, and at least the dead don't put up yard signs telling me they don't want me around.

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« Reply #223 on: September 21, 2022, 08:12:29 AM »
I lived in Hawai’i, and I felt that same odd claustrophobic feeling as well.  It’ a wonderful place with amazing people and a rich culture, but ultimately I found it the most difficult place to live because I felt like a complete outsider (yup, a “haole”).  It’s a Polynesian island culture 5,000 miles and six time zones from my family.

The main reason why Hawaii is not on my dream list is because of this. We vacationed on Molokai many years ago and it was beautiful and wonderful, but there were signs on many properties saying something like "Hawaii for Hawaiians" - I don't remember the exact slogan, but the sentiment was basically "there are too many haole buying up our land and making it too expensive for us and displacing our culture." I felt bad enough in our vacation rental; I'd feel terrible living among people who didn't want me there. Of course maybe it's different on the larger islands. The other reasons are the huge distance to the mainland and, of course, the high cost.

Although I've never heard of actual signs in yards, the same complaints from Oregonians, Idahoans and Wyomingans(? is that right?) as well as I think many Washingtonians, Coloradans and Utahns (but for some reason not Nevadans or Arizonans, in my hearing anyway) about Californians moving there is just one other reason that would give me pause about moving to those states that would otherwise be contenders. I hate to be just another unwelcome Californian trying to find a place with sometimes-similar weather but lower COL. (as distinct from HI's high COL but better weather than most of those places.)  Californians are hated pretty much everywhere, so I'm happy to let the folks that really want/need to leave brave the disapproval and sometimes worse that they'll face as former residents of the source of all evil on this planet.

But it can get kind of on the reductio ad absurdum track in that people in certain places in CA get exasperated with people from urban/dense areas like SF/LA (not as often San Diego!) moving to their areas of the state and even within cities you can get annyance about people from X neighborhood moving into Y neighborhoods.  From where I live right now, I'm not sure there's anywhere I'm "allowed" to move that the people there wouldn't roll their eyes and say I'm what's wrong with the world these days.

While there's some wariness here in CO of Californians who come in and make easy all-cash offers on homes from the proceeds of their CA home equity, most people on the whole are pretty welcoming.  Now Texans moving here is another story....  ;)

When I lived in CA I knew a number of people who moved to various states, and my understanding is that the iciness Washingtonians have towards Californians is a real thing.  Although this was years ago so maybe it's changed and someone from Washington can correct me. 

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« Reply #224 on: September 21, 2022, 08:50:16 AM »
Although I've never heard of actual signs in yards, the same complaints from Oregonians, Idahoans and Wyomingans(? is that right?) as well as I think many Washingtonians, Coloradans and Utahns (but for some reason not Nevadans or Arizonans, in my hearing anyway) about Californians moving there is just one other reason that would give me pause about moving to those states that would otherwise be contenders. I hate to be just another unwelcome Californian trying to find a place with sometimes-similar weather but lower COL. (as distinct from HI's high COL but better weather than most of those places.)  Californians are hated pretty much everywhere, so I'm happy to let the folks that really want/need to leave brave the disapproval and sometimes worse that they'll face as former residents of the source of all evil on this planet.

But it can get kind of on the reductio ad absurdum track in that people in certain places in CA get exasperated with people from urban/dense areas like SF/LA (not as often San Diego!) moving to their areas of the state and even within cities you can get annyance about people from X neighborhood moving into Y neighborhoods.  From where I live right now, I'm not sure there's anywhere I'm "allowed" to move that the people there wouldn't roll their eyes and say I'm what's wrong with the world these days.

I think that's a bit different because the ones in Hawaii who are complaining are descendants of the native population before the state was colonized. "We don't like you Californians" is different because it's not as if current residents of Oregon have any more claim to the land than any other American who might like to live there. Native Hawaiians have a credible argument that they do.

Now, of course all Native Americans could make a similar complaint all over the continental United States. The difference is that almost everywhere you go in the continental US, with some exceptions, one doesn't feel that resentment as strongly as in Hawaii (well, as strongly as I did on that specific trip to Molokai). I'm 100% aware that the reason for this is generally that the native population has been wiped out and is simply not there to object. That doesn't make me feel good, either, but one has to live somewhere, and at least the dead don't put up yard signs telling me they don't want me around.

I have a fair amount of friends who have moved to Hawaii (almost exclusively Maui) and their take tends to be that new arrivals who are respectful of Hawaiians and Hawaii are treated fairly well, for the most part.  It seems to be those who take on the same schtick that gives American travelers a stereotypical bad reputation when traveling abroad that get most of the pushback.  If you stroll in like you own the place and like they are doing it wrong but you know better and will help them fix it, you will not be well-received.  If you re humble and respectful, my friends report that you will be welcomed, though not always immediately included. 

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« Reply #225 on: September 21, 2022, 10:19:59 AM »

When I lived in CA I knew a number of people who moved to various states, and my understanding is that the iciness Washingtonians have towards Californians is a real thing.  Although this was years ago so maybe it's changed and someone from Washington can correct me.

I moved from CA to WA last year, and though what you state is the reputation, we've experienced basically nothing but kind welcomes.  Online (e.g. reddit), the comments can get nasty when people suggest moving to our city, but I think it's an overly vocal minority that is bitter about rental/house price increases and looking for a scapegoat...but typically is only that vocal when they can remain nameless and faceless. 

Now, I agree that CA transplants are contributing to the housing crisis in the area, but are by no means the biggest factor. 

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« Reply #226 on: September 21, 2022, 08:36:34 PM »
Of course it's easier to "hide" the fact your from SoCal as long as you ditch the lime green lycra spandex, 5 inch heels, and big blonde hair :-).

And for the love of god, it's "101", not "the 101". Dead giveaway right there no matter how you disguise yourself.

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« Reply #227 on: September 21, 2022, 09:43:23 PM »
Of course it's easier to "hide" the fact your from SoCal as long as you ditch the lime green lycra spandex, 5 inch heels, and big blonde hair :-).

And for the love of god, it's "101", not "the 101". Dead giveaway right there no matter how you disguise yourself.

Geez, I'm up here in NorCal for over a decade now calling everything the 80, the 580, the 680, etc.  Cannot stop!  Luckily conversations where I reference highway numbers seem to only happen with my husband, so I haven't been excommunicated yet.

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« Reply #228 on: September 22, 2022, 03:25:35 PM »
Of course it's easier to "hide" the fact your from SoCal as long as you ditch the lime green lycra spandex, 5 inch heels, and big blonde hair :-).

And for the love of god, it's "101", not "the 101". Dead giveaway right there no matter how you disguise yourself.

LOL True Story!

I have a friend who moved to AK from CA and keeps trying to name highways by their number... For Pete's sake there are only like 11 in the state, you drive "the Parks" to Fairbanks not "the 3". It really is a dead giveaway.

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« Reply #229 on: September 23, 2022, 08:12:37 AM »
I visited Grand Junction, CO about 20 years ago. It seemed like a cool place then. Thinking back it probably checks a lot of my boxes. Not a big town but not too small. Good cycling, gridded street for bike commuting. Great weather. It has a small college and a hospital and an airport. Looking on Zillow it seems a bit pricey for housing but not outrageous. Anyone have any more recent info on the town vibe?

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« Reply #230 on: September 23, 2022, 08:24:02 AM »
I would lose my bloody mind if I lived in generally the same size/kind of place my entire life.

This is absolutely something I struggle with. I love where I live, and it was a long road to get here. I want to stay here long term, but then I have this fear I won't like staying.

All of these dream places mentioned are great - but also they might be great for a specific time in your life, and not others. For example, I loved San Diego as a 20-30 yr old who grew up in the midwest. But thinking about what a life with a spouse and a kid would be like, the struggles, it was a quick nope. A guy I work with came from there and hated his small condo with his two kids, because that's realistically what one can afford. My spouse and I high tailed it out of there to be able to buy a home. No regrets. Turned down an amazing job in the process, too.

Another great example was my recent ~70s single lady living next door to us. This is a 'very progressive' county in the west. She sold her home this year and moved to, of all places, The Villages in Florida. She was not conservative, quite the opposite. However, The Villages is a community with a ton of people, and surprisingly they do have enough liberal voters that there is at least a group of them that meet up. She spent 3 weeks there and was sold. Two years of COVID, feeling isolated every day, drove her to a place with community, even with it being a very "red" area. I'm curious how she will fare long term. I do think it was a little rash decision, but I do hope it works out. Plus, she dumped her house at the right time. The buyer paid in all cash from upstate NY, without seeing it. We still have not seen our new neighbor, yet, but that's quite common in this city. We miss this neighbor a lot.

I guess my theme is tied a lot to the themes the author of the book "die with zero" has, which is plan for doing the activities you want during the times of the life you want to. I generally buy that philosophy, to a point. I would probably extend it to 'where to live" because where I live might be highly dependent on when in my life I could live there. I probably wouldn't want to live anywhere else at the moment. But in 10 yrs, with my kid older, I may think otherwise.

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« Reply #231 on: September 23, 2022, 09:34:00 AM »
I visited Grand Junction, CO about 20 years ago. It seemed like a cool place then. Thinking back it probably checks a lot of my boxes. Not a big town but not too small. Good cycling, gridded street for bike commuting. Great weather. It has a small college and a hospital and an airport. Looking on Zillow it seems a bit pricey for housing but not outrageous. Anyone have any more recent info on the town vibe?

One of my coworkers moved there in 2019 (from PA), and loves it. Not too much snow in winter, but still close enough for day trips to the ski area.

Housing prices have gone way up since he purchased.

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« Reply #232 on: September 23, 2022, 10:03:12 AM »
I would lose my bloody mind if I lived in generally the same size/kind of place my entire life.

This is absolutely something I struggle with. I love where I live, and it was a long road to get here. I want to stay here long term, but then I have this fear I won't like staying.

All of these dream places mentioned are great - but also they might be great for a specific time in your life, and not others. For example, I loved San Diego as a 20-30 yr old who grew up in the midwest. But thinking about what a life with a spouse and a kid would be like, the struggles, it was a quick nope. A guy I work with came from there and hated his small condo with his two kids, because that's realistically what one can afford. My spouse and I high tailed it out of there to be able to buy a home. No regrets. Turned down an amazing job in the process, too.

Another great example was my recent ~70s single lady living next door to us. This is a 'very progressive' county in the west. She sold her home this year and moved to, of all places, The Villages in Florida. She was not conservative, quite the opposite. However, The Villages is a community with a ton of people, and surprisingly they do have enough liberal voters that there is at least a group of them that meet up. She spent 3 weeks there and was sold. Two years of COVID, feeling isolated every day, drove her to a place with community, even with it being a very "red" area. I'm curious how she will fare long term. I do think it was a little rash decision, but I do hope it works out. Plus, she dumped her house at the right time. The buyer paid in all cash from upstate NY, without seeing it. We still have not seen our new neighbor, yet, but that's quite common in this city. We miss this neighbor a lot.

I guess my theme is tied a lot to the themes the author of the book "die with zero" has, which is plan for doing the activities you want during the times of the life you want to. I generally buy that philosophy, to a point. I would probably extend it to 'where to live" because where I live might be highly dependent on when in my life I could live there. I probably wouldn't want to live anywhere else at the moment. But in 10 yrs, with my kid older, I may think otherwise.

You can't control how your life will change, only how you adjust and adapt to it.

The concept of a dream home, dream location, dream job, of dream anything should be predicted on the concept that that is the ideal option for you unless and until factors change to make another option superior.

I'm currently in one of my homes. It's a home I'm unlikely to ever sell, even if I never live here again. As long as key infrastructure realities exist, this specific home will always meet my core needs, and would be virtually impossible to replace at the same value (for complicated, market specific reasons).

So I will likely never sell it because it's sale price will very unlikely ever exceed its utility to me as a place that I can always come back to, especially if I become more disabled.

If things change, so will my plans. If this specific property skyrockets in value well beyond the pace of the local market, then I'll sell it. That's unlikely. I got such a good deal on it because it's a property with factors that have historically made it lag behind the market, and I took on that risk because I planned to keep it forever.

I made the best plan according to the information about market factors I had at the time and my projections of what my future needs could be. If those factors change or my needs change, then so will the plan.

Plans are not actually about the future, they are metrics by which we make decisions in the present. A plan may have exactly zero bearing on what actually happens.

Plans are guidelines for the present, not predictors of the future.


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« Reply #233 on: September 23, 2022, 10:34:53 AM »
I visited Grand Junction, CO about 20 years ago. It seemed like a cool place then. Thinking back it probably checks a lot of my boxes. Not a big town but not too small. Good cycling, gridded street for bike commuting. Great weather. It has a small college and a hospital and an airport. Looking on Zillow it seems a bit pricey for housing but not outrageous. Anyone have any more recent info on the town vibe?

One of my coworkers moved there in 2019 (from PA), and loves it. Not too much snow in winter, but still close enough for day trips to the ski area.

Housing prices have gone way up since he purchased.

its a neat town, i have been there a few times, there is a great national park (Colorado National Monument) just south of town that is bikable from GJ, very hot and dry in the summer.

quite conservative part of the state if that floats or sinks your boat

you have palisade peaches and wineries to the east

now that i look at it, its a pretty cool location, 2.5 hours to Aspen or Vail and 2 hours to Moab, 2.5 hours to Telluride, 2 hours to dinosaur national monument


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« Reply #234 on: September 23, 2022, 10:38:34 AM »

When I lived in CA I knew a number of people who moved to various states, and my understanding is that the iciness Washingtonians have towards Californians is a real thing.  Although this was years ago so maybe it's changed and someone from Washington can correct me.

I moved from CA to WA last year, and though what you state is the reputation, we've experienced basically nothing but kind welcomes.  Online (e.g. reddit), the comments can get nasty when people suggest moving to our city, but I think it's an overly vocal minority that is bitter about rental/house price increases and looking for a scapegoat...but typically is only that vocal when they can remain nameless and faceless. 

Now, I agree that CA transplants are contributing to the housing crisis in the area, but are by no means the biggest factor.

The anti-Californian sentiment was actually worse in the early nineties, as Microsoft and others brought the first wave of well paid software people to the area. A comedic example from Almost Live (a local sketch comedy show that would air before SNL back in the day) back in 1990: https://youtu.be/79SF7UoO1pI.

Today's tech worker influx is even worse than the 1990s in terms of numbers and their impact on the housing market but it seems less identified with Californians in particular. These days it's more of a general "f*ck Amazon" attitude from non-tech people who can no longer afford to rent, let alone buy, in this city.

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« Reply #235 on: September 24, 2022, 06:56:47 AM »
San Diego is quickly becoming “Silicon beach”.

Apple alone just announced they expect to have 5000 SD employees by 2026. All of the major tech companies are here; biotech is strong and salaries are exploding. I wonder what this will do to already low supply / high demand housing prices.

Median home is now $987,225 (small 1000sqft 1960 ranch).
newer/larger in a OK area is $1.4M-$1.8M.
newer/larger is a prime area is $2.4M-$3.5M.
racho sante fe “estate living” is $4.8M-$15M

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« Reply #236 on: September 24, 2022, 07:05:42 AM »
^ Holy shit that is expensive. 

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« Reply #237 on: September 24, 2022, 08:40:52 AM »
I still think SoCal is THE retirement spot. Better than all of rest by far! :-)

Incredible (mild) weather
Prime Sun for Solar (fixing utility costs)
Miles and miles of coast/beach - free entertainment
Prop 13 (fixes RE taxes in retirement)
Close to international border (services & goods arbitrage)
Higher (CA) income - makes everything except housing effectively more affordable
<5 hour drive and you can see basically anything.
Higher cost than most other places - ability to leave and cash out equity for paid off home.

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« Reply #238 on: September 24, 2022, 09:20:23 AM »
I've seen real estate prices moderate here in the Bay Area a bit in the last month or two, presumably because of interest rate hikes.  But I'm not quite sure how that is similarly causing rent prices to moderate as well.  I've seen many rentals be reduced by $200 per month lately and just got notice that a house we had looked at got reduced from $3800 to $3230 per month - a huge reduction!  But, it's certainly not reflective of any significant increase in housing stock, so I'm not sure why. 

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« Reply #239 on: September 26, 2022, 11:50:59 AM »
Rents are really going up here and I think it's because potential home buyers (and those like me who have already sold) aren't looking to buy now so increase rental demand.

From some articles I read, I think a larger proportion of rentals in the last 5-10 years have been bought up by companies who use fairly sophisticated algorithms to set the rent as high as local incomes will allow.  In the past I think a lot of the rental market prices, at least for individual houses or small buildings, was just set by whatever the landlord felt was good to cover expenses, or whatever it was when they got the property, etc.  As the years went by, it was probably lower than they could have asked.  In at least some cases, in fact, individual companies set up to invest in this try to get a large proportion of the houses in an area to have a greater role in setting the "local rental rates". 

That trend is one reason we are looking to buy where we move post FIRE (which is now under 6 months away), once we check the area out.  We want more control over our housing expenses than renting gives us.  Particularly because I'm seeing a trend that places that are ranking high on desirability to retire seem to be having significant housing booms, if housing prices are going to go up faster than inflation, which is already high, better to be an owner than a renter.  I think that is a combination of more people than usual retiring, and a significant number of people who will only take work-from-home jobs now so they can live in the same nice locations retirees want to live. 

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« Reply #240 on: September 28, 2022, 06:26:12 AM »
As of right now i live on the coast in florida in a bayfront home.  It has its perks. Constant threat of storms makes it less than ideal.  Ive considered moving to Appalachia (East tennesee, North Georgia, north carolina) area.  Ive spent alot of time there and find it is a good fit

Definitely a red state.  I prefer areas with fewer hostile people that lack common sense and decency.

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« Reply #241 on: September 28, 2022, 08:35:51 AM »
Ive considered moving to Appalachia (East tennesee, North Georgia, north carolina) area.  Ive spent alot of time there and find it is a good fit

Definitely a red state.  I prefer areas with fewer hostile people that lack common sense and decency.

Yes, moving from Florida, another red state full of people that lack common sense and decency would be a great move for you!



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Re: If you could live anywhere in the US...?
« Reply #242 on: September 28, 2022, 08:54:41 AM »
Ive considered moving to Appalachia (East tennesee, North Georgia, north carolina) area.  Ive spent alot of time there and find it is a good fit

Definitely a red state.  I prefer areas with fewer hostile people that lack common sense and decency.

Yes, moving from Florida, another red state full of people that lack common sense and decency would be a great move for you!



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In my experience, lack of common sense and decency tends to be politically agnostic.  There are more than enough idiots to go around to cover the needs of the left and the right.  :P

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« Reply #243 on: September 28, 2022, 11:11:31 AM »
Ive considered moving to Appalachia (East tennesee, North Georgia, north carolina) area.  Ive spent alot of time there and find it is a good fit

Definitely a red state.  I prefer areas with fewer hostile people that lack common sense and decency.

Yes, moving from Florida, another red state full of people that lack common sense and decency would be a great move for you!



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In my experience, lack of common sense and decency tends to be politically agnostic.  There are more than enough idiots to go around to cover the needs of the left and the right.  :P
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« Reply #244 on: September 28, 2022, 11:49:55 AM »
As of right now i live on the coast in florida in a bayfront home.  It has its perks. Constant threat of storms makes it less than ideal.  Ive considered moving to Appalachia (East tennesee, North Georgia, north carolina) area.  Ive spent alot of time there and find it is a good fit

Definitely a red state.  I prefer areas with fewer hostile people that lack common sense and decency.


Such a troll-type statement.  Your grandmother would be appalled.  Since she isn't here (that we know of) and I am probably old enough to be your grandmother, I will point out to you that if you approach people with hostility you will get hostility in return.  If you are friendly and a decent person you will generally get that back as well.

And of course GuitarStv is also correct: In my experience, lack of common sense and decency tends to be politically agnostic.  There are more than enough idiots to go around to cover the needs of the left and the right.  :P

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« Reply #245 on: October 20, 2022, 02:09:11 PM »
I guess for now it's where I am- Philly area, south Jersey (Gloucester county).  I can get into center city in 15-20 minutes.  I can get to PHL airport in 20. 

It's affordable for a big city though I guess that's changing.  I switched careers a few years ago and it is way less competitive for it here than in other cities out west, so I'm doing (for me) quite well.

It's really diverse here, this is important to me.  Politically and culturally.

We have a very affordable house ($1k/mo including taxes) with a decent lawn and nice detached garage/covered patio that's paid off in the next year- live in one of a few little blue collar towns that's stayed under the radar for whatever reason.  My husband said the taxes have been unchanged for years- they are lower than surrounding areas.  I heard it's something to do with some industrial areas on the edge of town.  Also (duh) no city tax here. I can walk 3 blocks to a pond stocked with trout with a decent running track around it and a tiny stream/woods that we see tons of turtles and occasionally turkeys and herons hanging out.  We are in the same town as a good sized creek and can kayak either locally or all the way into the Delaware river.  Weather is good, we can grow anything we want (I love gardening).

Fairmount park is one of the best parks/trail systems within a big city boundaries.  Nice for foraging this time of year.

We can get to the Pine Barrens for chill hiking or kayaking (my husband's preferred outdoor activity) in ~45 minutes.  Can get to the beach in a bit over an hour (if no traffic)

Great food of every thinkable style cuisine somewhere in the city or just outside (ok, MAYBE the Persian food is a little sparse, but there's at least one place and it's great).  Good breweries/cideries/distilleries too (tho we've also homebrewed, have access to great/affordable supplies for this).  The CSA I get produce/other local goods from is pretty cheap and great quality.

Most important thing for me is the diversity of music.  Because Philly's been relatively cheap, a lot more risks can be taken here creatively compared to other cities.  Great scenes in all the arts- theatre, dance, visual, music.  In the last year my music career came back out of nowhere, I could afford my whole COL on it at this point.  And I'm not playing soul sucking stuff- it's generally been a combo of a "Balkan, jazz, punk, and cheesesteak-inspired" band, a silly polka band, and a swing/jump blues band (with the odd free jazz, classical, Brazillian, salsa, or reggae gig thrown in).  I seriously can't think of anywhere else one could do this especially at my level of playing/relative lack of networking skills.

My husband and I would eventually like to travel in the camper around the US and Canada and travel abroad but it's just really hard to think of another place whether here or outside the US with a similar music scene that would feel fulfilling. I tried checking out a few other cities in my late 20s-30s as well as a couple years abroad and it never worked out.  I imagine we'll home base here until music isn't a thing I do anymore, and travel when needed.  If I need a deep nature fix, I go on a thru hike.

If I give up on music as an income source then we may consider a move out West or to New England.  But we aren't sure, and the reasons are basically being more in nature.  It's hard to find a weather sweet spot though, and my husband and I have slightly different preferences.  The mid-Atlantic is a good compromise.  OR, we just keep moving to weather we like in the trailer.  Another thought is my brother/his wife's whole family are in Pueblo CO and while prices have gone way up it's still relatively speaking affordable compared to other areas in CO, weather is not super extreme, plus we'd know people.  My sister and mom are also considering that area one day, so we will see.

For old age, having a house not far from great medical care is a no-brainer.  I'm in healthcare for the day job and have contacts both in Penn and Jefferson systems so feel good about options here.  And again, close to an airport if stuff is unaffordable in the US.
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Re: If you could live anywhere in the US...?
« Reply #246 on: October 20, 2022, 07:35:36 PM »
DW and I have lived in LA for the past 6.5 years, and we can't take much more... But it's much less about "being here" and much more about being so far away from all our family and friends in the MDW and east coast-ish areas (where we're from).  Awesome weather, so many great outdoor activities and opportunities, sure.  But 95% of our favorite people live 2000+ miles away.  We've found that people matter more than place for us; the pandemic really helped clarify that.  We're headed back home (and I don't use that word lightly) to the Chicago area within the next 6-18 months. 

Oh, Chicago, where (IMHO) the weather is great for 4 months of the year (roughly mid-April to mid-June and Sept-Oct) and more or less shitty the remaining 8 months... but yeah, there's no substitute for being close to people you love... You just have to move the love indoors, I guess.

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« Reply #247 on: October 21, 2022, 08:58:59 AM »
I've seen real estate prices moderate here in the Bay Area a bit in the last month or two, presumably because of interest rate hikes.  But I'm not quite sure how that is similarly causing rent prices to moderate as well.  I've seen many rentals be reduced by $200 per month lately and just got notice that a house we had looked at got reduced from $3800 to $3230 per month - a huge reduction!  But, it's certainly not reflective of any significant increase in housing stock, so I'm not sure why.
Rents are really going up here and I think it's because potential home buyers (and those like me who have already sold) aren't looking to buy now so increase rental demand.

I've seen this with my San Diego rental.  Tried and failed to sell it this summer.  We were just a couple months too late, I think.  But when we put it back on the rental market, rents were up significantly. 

No one wanted to buy it (for what we wanted to sell it for), but renting it was easy and lucrative. 


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« Reply #248 on: October 21, 2022, 09:03:47 AM »
But this type of rural living seems to be very much based around the New England town setup. Our town is 1000 people but we have our own select board, town meeting, elementary schools, etc. neighbors need to cooperate to make it all work. Our form of government was very similar to Small Towns in England. I and I am  not sure you would get the same vibe in more rural counties in other parts of the country that were founded by more tribal and  skeptical Scotts. Also our town was 70% Biden in 2020

This is an interesting assessment. I lived in two small towns in North Carolina, and really disliked both towns both due to dramatic fear of "the other"... racism, xenophobia, skepticism of people who moved there from other locations (I heard a lot of "you ain't from around here," despite 15 years in that approximate area), hostility towards education and the educated, etc. I think I could enjoy a small town in theory, but NC small towns definitely were NOT the right small towns for me!

I haven't spent any considerable time in New England, but the small towns up there definitely sound infinitely more civilized, friendly, and appealing. Unfortunately, I grew up in Florida and have low tolerance for prolonged, dark winters and extreme cold. I've never consider English vs. Scottish influences and how they relate to North vs. South issues, but that's an interesting idea!

We'd love to move from our current town in Florida (it's very... umm... "aggressive," for lack of a better word, and has a reputation in our area for being pretty trashy/rednecky), but we're struggling to decide where to go. Our family is all in FL, NC, and SC and my husband is a big family guy, so he doesn't want to go any further north than NC. Leading contenders right now are Raleigh/Durham or Wilmington, but I have some reservations.

Friend left Wilmington at least partially b/c of fire ants and hurricanes. I find that a local university helps the local culture. Larger group of educated folks to develop a friendship circle from. Dilutes any bad influences who are not receptive to newcomers and new ideas.

Ha! Clearly, fire ants and hurricanes don't deter me! (They probably should, but I love the coast and saltwater kayaking too much to live very far inland.)

I feel like the college town atmosphere would be a big help help. I currently have a digital subscription to their local newspaper and while the area as a whole still appears a bit more conservative/segregated than I'd prefer, it doesn't seem too bad. I have a friend who recently moved there, so we're looking forward to seeing how her experience goes over the next few years!

Just wanted to come back and say that, after going through Hurricane Ian, hurricanes definitely deter me. Maybe it's just PTSD and I'll eventually change my mind, but Wilmington is off the list for now.

I guess that leaves us primarily considering the Raleigh/Durham area... unless anyone has recommendations for other great non-coastal locations in the Southeastern US (for proximity to family).

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« Reply #249 on: October 21, 2022, 02:21:14 PM »
But this type of rural living seems to be very much based around the New England town setup. Our town is 1000 people but we have our own select board, town meeting, elementary schools, etc. neighbors need to cooperate to make it all work. Our form of government was very similar to Small Towns in England. I and I am  not sure you would get the same vibe in more rural counties in other parts of the country that were founded by more tribal and  skeptical Scotts. Also our town was 70% Biden in 2020

This is an interesting assessment. I lived in two small towns in North Carolina, and really disliked both towns both due to dramatic fear of "the other"... racism, xenophobia, skepticism of people who moved there from other locations (I heard a lot of "you ain't from around here," despite 15 years in that approximate area), hostility towards education and the educated, etc. I think I could enjoy a small town in theory, but NC small towns definitely were NOT the right small towns for me!

I haven't spent any considerable time in New England, but the small towns up there definitely sound infinitely more civilized, friendly, and appealing. Unfortunately, I grew up in Florida and have low tolerance for prolonged, dark winters and extreme cold. I've never consider English vs. Scottish influences and how they relate to North vs. South issues, but that's an interesting idea!

We'd love to move from our current town in Florida (it's very... umm... "aggressive," for lack of a better word, and has a reputation in our area for being pretty trashy/rednecky), but we're struggling to decide where to go. Our family is all in FL, NC, and SC and my husband is a big family guy, so he doesn't want to go any further north than NC. Leading contenders right now are Raleigh/Durham or Wilmington, but I have some reservations.

Friend left Wilmington at least partially b/c of fire ants and hurricanes. I find that a local university helps the local culture. Larger group of educated folks to develop a friendship circle from. Dilutes any bad influences who are not receptive to newcomers and new ideas.

Ha! Clearly, fire ants and hurricanes don't deter me! (They probably should, but I love the coast and saltwater kayaking too much to live very far inland.)

I feel like the college town atmosphere would be a big help help. I currently have a digital subscription to their local newspaper and while the area as a whole still appears a bit more conservative/segregated than I'd prefer, it doesn't seem too bad. I have a friend who recently moved there, so we're looking forward to seeing how her experience goes over the next few years!

Just wanted to come back and say that, after going through Hurricane Ian, hurricanes definitely deter me. Maybe it's just PTSD and I'll eventually change my mind, but Wilmington is off the list for now.

I guess that leaves us primarily considering the Raleigh/Durham area... unless anyone has recommendations for other great non-coastal locations in the Southeastern US (for proximity to family).

If I were starting all over, looking for a place to live in the southeast, my top three areas would be Greenville, SC; Asheville, NC; and Chattanooga, TN, in that order.  YMMV, depending on exactly what you want.  For us that's Nature, small-to-medium sized city, and not too "red," or at least a diversity of political viewpoints.  Not sure how close any of those would be to your family though.