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Sulame66

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I don't make enough money
« on: April 25, 2017, 12:57:11 PM »
What can I do to make money on the side

Note: I own nothing of value other than my PS4 and TV, have no marketable skills, would prefer to work from home in the evening, and wouldn't do it for less than $15 an hour

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2017, 01:05:50 PM »
Leprecaun chasing?

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2017, 01:07:45 PM »
Work more?

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2017, 01:14:40 PM »
Pyramid scheme?

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2017, 01:16:07 PM »
multi-level marketing!

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2017, 01:20:45 PM »
I have no marketable skills
Work on this

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2017, 01:23:11 PM »
Leprecaun chasing?

They don't exist

Work more?

Salaried

Escort service?

Not good-looking enough or good enough with the equipment

Pyramid scheme?

Would prefer staying out of jail

multi-level marketing!

Don't know what this is

I have no marketable skills
Work on this

32, 10 years out of college, firmly entrenched in my job

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2017, 01:24:30 PM »
g4p! half kidding, half serious. There are plenty of people that will pay to watch you beat your meat.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2017, 01:31:05 PM »
g4p! half kidding, half serious. There are plenty of people that will pay to watch you beat your meat.

I'm a dude. It's not like I can sell my socks for $300 like my female friend who needed help with tuition.

Looks like it's the same as last I looked: either work at Jamba Juice for 7 an hour or do nothing

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2017, 01:32:01 PM »
Have you looked into complaining on the internet? That's a growing field with tons of upward mobility.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2017, 01:50:35 PM »
Have you looked into complaining on the internet? That's a growing field with tons of upward mobility.

I had looked at writing an eBook which would have essentially been me bitching for 50 pages, figuring it could go in the comedy section, then I realized I have no friends or family and wouldn't sell any copies

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2017, 01:58:09 PM »
You can tutor English online to foreign students (on a different time zone so evenings might work if you are teaching students in Asia).
But you will first need to get a teaching English as a foreign language credential. If this sounds like something you want to do, you can research it.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2017, 02:04:16 PM »
Flip things.  Start with things you know the value of, and pick them up cheap / free.  Sell for profit.  Use that money to buy more things and sell them, too.

Craigslist, ebay, thriftstores, garage sales, garbage piles, etc.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2017, 02:11:12 PM »
Donate blood and sperm for money.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2017, 02:20:51 PM »
I have no marketable skills
Work on this

32, 10 years out of college, firmly entrenched in my job
Again, Work on this. Never too late to learn new cool stuff to do. You have a PS4, so I assume you're a gamer. Some popular youtubers became very rich with that skill alone. That particular field is too crowded now, but is proof that it's not the skills that you lack, it's the imagination to transform some of your hobbies into paying gigs.


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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2017, 02:34:43 PM »
I have no marketable skills
Work on this

32, 10 years out of college, firmly entrenched in my job
Again, Work on this. Never too late to learn new cool stuff to do. You have a PS4, so I assume you're a gamer. Some popular youtubers became very rich with that skill alone. That particular field is too crowded now, but is proof that it's not the skills that you lack, it's the imagination to transform some of your hobbies into paying gigs.

I was once the #1 ranked Druid healer in WoW for two years running, nothing came of it. Now I just get random platinums in RPGs when I'm bored

I just spent 45 minutes writing down chapters and a rough outline for an eBook idea I had, then at about 375 words I ran out of things to write

Wonder how much I can get for sperm ..

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2017, 02:44:52 PM »

Wonder how much I can get for sperm ..

Not as much as someone is willing to pay to watch ;)

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2017, 02:46:10 PM »

Wonder how much I can get for sperm ..

Not as much as someone is willing to pay to watch ;)
Time for OP to take matters into his own hands...

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2017, 02:53:51 PM »

Wonder how much I can get for sperm ..

Not as much as someone is willing to pay to watch ;)
Time for OP to take matters into his own hands...

Or feet! That could demand a premium.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2017, 02:59:04 PM »
32, 10 years out of college, firmly entrenched in my job

Take it from someone writing to you from 10+ years in the future (I'm in my 40s), it is definitely not too late to learn new skills.
Not saying you have to shift career paths, but there is still PLENTY of time to learn new skills.

Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes - "a year from now you'll wish you started today."

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2017, 03:21:20 PM »
32, 10 years out of college, firmly entrenched in my job

Take it from someone writing to you from 10+ years in the future (I'm in my 40s), it is definitely not too late to learn new skills.
Not saying you have to shift career paths, but there is still PLENTY of time to learn new skills.

Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes - "a year from now you'll wish you started today."
This!  I mean, I'm almost 47, learning new stuff on the job all the time.  I've been "firmly entrenched" in my career for a couple of decades now, but learning new stuff gives me upward and sideways mobility.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2017, 03:31:08 PM »
I work in reporting. My job will be obsoleted in about 5 years by a machine that requires minimal upkeep, has 99.99% efficiency, never misses deadlines, and doesn't need to take PTO. Because I wasn't smart enough to go into the chosen field of computer programming, any 'skill' I learn (Tableau, SQL, Python, etc.) will just be a waste of time and resources. I will never have an ancillary role no matter what skill I pick up. Going back to school for an MBA isn't feasible financially or practically, and I have no other skills that would assist with moving into a field. My best option is to find a company that can absorb me into management before the coming robotocalypse, but, believe it or not, I don't do well with people and can't manage


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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2017, 03:48:25 PM »
Are you depressed and hate baby boomers too?

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2017, 03:50:51 PM »
Because I wasn't smart enough to go into the chosen field of computer programming, any 'skill' I learn (Tableau, SQL, Python, etc.) will just be a waste of time and resources.

I don't know your personal situation as well you do, obviously - but I cant' see how a skill will be a waste of time and resources.

While your current chosen field may be taken over by automation, not every field will (at least not in the next 5 years) and programmers will be needed for many.
No one is saying picking up new skills is easy or that it will automatically grant a new job or career, but it will increase options and opportunity.

Look at it this way - you have (by your own estimate) 5 years to figure out what the next move is and prepare for it.
It could be much worse - I used to work with a large group of people who were recently given 30 minutes notice they were all out of a job.

Best thing you can do right now (in my opinion) is start brainstorming options of where you'd like to be in 5 years time (without immediately shooting them down) and see what you can come up with.
They will all be difficult, some will be impossible, but eventually you'll come up with some options that will seem more likely than others to succeed.

You have a few years... use them as best you can to set yourself up for the next stage of your life.
I know it's not easy - but please trust me when I tell you that you will at one point (much sooner than you think) look back and smile at the idea that you thought you didn't have enough time when you were 32.

Life is long (hopefully).
You've got time - use it.


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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2017, 04:25:14 PM »
Because I wasn't smart enough to go into the chosen field of computer programming, any 'skill' I learn (Tableau, SQL, Python, etc.) will just be a waste of time and resources.

Sounds more like you're just lazy/lack ambition rather than not smart enough. How smart do you really think the average software engineer is? There's some creativity required, sure, but it's ultimately a skill that can be learned. A motivated person would not be making posting type of thread, ever. You want to get paid more but don't want to put in the work to get there. So, ultimately, you don't want it.

 A lot of gamers equate programming to be something they're really going to be interested in and then quickly lose interest when they realize that playing games is nothing like making them and see how monotonous it can be. It requires a certain type of person to be able to tolerate that type of work over extended periods of time.

Anything that pays well requires lots of time and effort. There is no shortcut.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2017, 04:26:29 PM »
A lot of gamers equate programming to be something they're really going to be interested in and then quickly lose interest when they realize that playing games is nothing like making them and see how monotonous it can be.
As a gamer and programmer myself, I have found programming to be much more creative* and interesting than gaming over time. YMMV :)

* When the programming task is not enforced by somebody else, and that instead you are working on your own projects

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2017, 04:30:43 PM »
+1 what Seradoc suggests. Those two items are in demand, you have them and it would be the least amount of effort for you.

Buy, fix up and sell stuff - It is alot of effort and you have to enjoy the thrill of the hunt and it doesn't sound like this one is for you.

Make stuff and sell it - This is my sweet spot. I never would've thunk it, but I'm very good at doing this and have made a mint at it. When I get tired of one thing, I find something new to make and sell that.

Coding - This takes the right person. I used to create/manage websites but in hindsight I should have done something like phone apps. Websites haunt you forever. I just made 2 edits for a site I built 5 years ago. 10 minutes of work equated to $25 in my Paypal account so it wasn't too bad.

Write - many options here, but you need the skillset. Something to explore.

That's all I got... Good Luck!

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2017, 04:48:39 PM »
Because I wasn't smart enough to go into the chosen field of computer programming, any 'skill' I learn (Tableau, SQL, Python, etc.) will just be a waste of time and resources.

Oh, hell.  Being completely ignorant of how to program well has rarely gotten in the way of getting a job as a programmer.

I know because I've seen a lot of their work and met a number of them, too.

Programming well doesn't take smarts near as much as it takes patient attention to large amounts of piss-ant detail.

If you don't want to do that, learn something else.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2017, 05:18:42 PM »
I was once the #1 ranked Druid healer in WoW for two years running, nothing came of it. Now I just get random platinums in RPGs when I'm bored

My brother's friend payed his way through college (with some help from his parents) by selling carries in Arena. He also bought tons of computer parts, gifted his friends games, and generally was a fun/funny guy to hang out with. I mention his personality because it seems opposite of yours and it could be one reason why his video game skill was lucrative and yours is squandered.

Realistically, I feel sorry for you about being in Journalism at this point in time. My advice is to do what my Technical Writer coworkers do. They took the classes necessary to learn technical writing and now work cushy jobs at corporate companies. They, too, tried to make the journalism thing work with limited success. Technical writing isn't glamorous but it pays the bills and they enjoy lax deadlines with a very low-stress work environment. Good luck.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2017, 06:03:26 PM »
What makes you say you don't make enough?  What is your percentage of spending compared to income and / or saving compared to income/spending?  Maybe you're being too hard on yourself.  What are your long-term and short-term goals ?

If you think your career is going to stagnate in the near future then now is the time to pre-empt that.   Teaching ESL is always in demand and as a journalist you should have a good handle on the language I'd expect.  If you want to be a writer - start writing on a daily basis -- not because you think it's the only way to make money - but because you have something to say or a story to tell.  Write because you love to write -- don't count on the money.

Also don't underestimate the skills you probably already have.  Perhaps get together with some like-minded friends and have a brain-storming session.  Other people will come up with lots of ideas for you that you can't see in yourself.  Be open to suggestions.

Have you ever read Susan Jeffers -- Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway ?
Or an oldie -- what color is your parachute ?  Lots of good exercises in those books to get you started on a different way of thinking.
Or The Artist's Way ?

Make a list right now -- all the things you've ever done; what you like; don't like; why.  Do some stream of conscientiousness  writing.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2017, 06:40:18 PM »
As long as you think additional skills you can learn won't be enough to help change jobs or make more money then we're at a dead end. The path to making more money will involve learning new skills.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2017, 07:02:50 PM »
You seem to want someone to hand you something that will pay well, allows you to make your own hours, and requires 0 skill.  If life were that easy, people wouldn't be working retail, fast food, etc.

Best advice I can give:  Stick to areas that interests you because you probably know enough about it to skip a lot of the up front work.  For example:  If you're interested in video games, maybe try flipping them on eBay?  I made about a grand 4-5 years ago buying larger lots of games on eBay and then reselling them individually.  It's tedious (and I've found better products to resell since) but it's low buy in and is pretty easy to calculate which lots will be profitable and which will be losers.  You also get to play the games until they sell which means you can enjoy that hobby for free.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2017, 07:10:08 PM »
As long as you think additional skills you can learn won't be enough to help change jobs or make more money then we're at a dead end. The path to making more money will involve learning new skills.

Bingo.

I went from $33k to $110k in four years by learning new skills and networking.  Unusual? Yes.  Lucky?  Yes.  Possible?  Yes.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2017, 07:31:32 PM »
You're young enough to join the military.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2017, 08:02:37 PM »
I work in reporting. My job will be obsoleted in about 5 years by a machine that requires minimal upkeep, has 99.99% efficiency, never misses deadlines, and doesn't need to take PTO. Because I wasn't smart enough to go into the chosen field of computer programming, any 'skill' I learn (Tableau, SQL, Python, etc.) will just be a waste of time and resources. I will never have an ancillary role no matter what skill I pick up. Going back to school for an MBA isn't feasible financially or practically, and I have no other skills that would assist with moving into a field. My best option is to find a company that can absorb me into management before the coming robotocalypse, but, believe it or not, I don't do well with people and can't manage
Why would a skill of SQL, Python, etc. be useless?

I mean, I'm an engineer who can't program my way out of a paper bag.  My SQL skills are very basic, at best.  I'd pretty much kill to better at them and those skills are in demand in a lot of fields.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2017, 08:10:44 PM »
Youse guys dont know a troll when you see one?

The thread started off great, then more an more people started giving real replies. :(

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2017, 08:21:21 PM »

Wonder how much I can get for sperm ..

Not as much as someone is willing to pay to watch ;)
Time for OP to take matters into his own hands...

Or feet! That could demand a premium.

Lololol!  Are the demographics of MMMers changing?? I had no idea some of you had this type of sense of humor lol

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2017, 11:59:22 PM »

Wonder how much I can get for sperm ..

Not as much as someone is willing to pay to watch ;)
Time for OP to take matters into his own hands...

Or feet! That could demand a premium.

Lololol!  Are the demographics of MMMers changing?? I had no idea some of you had this type of sense of humor lol

You're just not hanging out in the right (or wrong, as the case may be) threads....

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #39 on: April 26, 2017, 02:44:57 AM »
Upskill upskill upskill.

Even look into a career change if what you're doing is a field in decline or a dead-end salary wise. You'd be surprised what you might find you'd enjoy, or you end up being good at.

If opportunities are limited where you live, consider moving elsewhere.

Also, it sounds like you're continually talking yourself down. Perhaps consider some counselling?

Good luck :)

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #40 on: April 26, 2017, 05:39:46 AM »
$7 an hour working at Jamba Juice is not your worst choice. 20 hours a week would max a Roth IRA. Or pay for your groceries, electricity, AND cell phone for a year. [Edited to clarify: 20 hours x $7 x 52 weeks]

You could also make more money by spending a little. Buy You Need A Budget (YNAB) and manage what you have better.

Do you really need another random platinum award thingy in a video game? YNAB is more fun than a video game.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2017, 05:45:09 AM by Wise Virgin »

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #41 on: April 26, 2017, 06:06:16 AM »
Have you looked into complaining on the internet? That's a growing field with tons of upward mobility.

OK.  1,000 bonus points for this.

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Re: I don't make enough money
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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #43 on: April 26, 2017, 06:27:12 AM »


Work more?

Salaried



I don't understand your answer. Does this mean that the remaining 128 hours of every week are dictated by your current salary position? You have more time outside of your job than you do at it so figure out something else to do with the time and earn some more money.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #44 on: April 26, 2017, 07:31:28 AM »
So, clearly 2birds1stone has already won the thread through the power of positive thinking.

Anyway, I would capitalize on everything you think you're bad at: no ideas, no marketable skills, not someone people would pay to watch, etc. etc.

So write out a miserable rant about all of that crap, what would have been your hilarious book. Now change it, document the change, and from the comfort of your living room 'coach' people to do the same. Coaching is great. It's like findom or pyramid schemes, or MLM, but it's inspirational and entrepreneurial. People love it.  You will be reporting on yourself! You will get strong and lean and toned, and develop marketable soft and hard skills. You can read motivational books and write reviews or do pod casts. And as long as this is paired with before and after photos of your physical transformation, people will buy it and be you.

Or you can have a spiritual transformation, this is also effective for coaching.

Or you can become an adult self taught programmer type person, and then online teach people who didn't escape the robot revolution.

I think the best will be if you do all of these at once.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #45 on: April 26, 2017, 07:47:05 AM »

Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes - "a year from now you'll wish you started today."

Great wisdom!

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #46 on: April 26, 2017, 08:29:07 AM »
Growing up, I didn't know what was possible.  I was the first in my family to even graduate High School (seriously).  It took a bit of luck of circumstance, and a lot of hard work, but I've learned something special.

I firmly believe anyone can move into another career if they just decide to do it.  I believe I could pick a career, and work hard to achieve it, and succeed.  Pretty much any career I wanted.  I know, because I've done it twice, and I know I could do it again.

I had dropped out of college and was working as a restaurant server when I was 23.  I decided, sort of on a whim, that I wanted to go back to school and be an engineer (for the money).  So, I got accepted into a University, moved near by, and finished my engineering degree in 3.5 years.  I was working for $55k/yr at age 26.

After a couple of years, I was 28 and decided I wanted to be a teacher.  It would be less money, and I had no experience, but I made it happen.  I was teaching a year later, and loving it, even though I only made $40k.

I've since gone back into engineering, for the money (made $70k last year), but that's not the point.  You can do anything you want.  Just DO IT!

If you say you wish you'd have gone to school to become a Dentist, but now you say "That ship has sailed".  I ask why, and you say, "It'd be 5 yrs of more school!  I'll be 5 years older!"  I say, "How old will you be in 5 years if you don't go to Dental school?"

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2017, 09:03:53 AM »
What makes you say you don't make enough?  What is your percentage of spending compared to income and / or saving compared to income/spending?  Maybe you're being too hard on yourself.  What are your long-term and short-term goals ?

If you think your career is going to stagnate in the near future then now is the time to pre-empt that.   Teaching ESL is always in demand and as a journalist you should have a good handle on the language I'd expect.  If you want to be a writer - start writing on a daily basis -- not because you think it's the only way to make money - but because you have something to say or a story to tell.  Write because you love to write -- don't count on the money.

Also don't underestimate the skills you probably already have.  Perhaps get together with some like-minded friends and have a brain-storming session.  Other people will come up with lots of ideas for you that you can't see in yourself.  Be open to suggestions.

Have you ever read Susan Jeffers -- Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway ?
Or an oldie -- what color is your parachute ?  Lots of good exercises in those books to get you started on a different way of thinking.
Or The Artist's Way ?

Make a list right now -- all the things you've ever done; what you like; don't like; why.  Do some stream of conscientiousness  writing.

Reporting as in - data reporting for a large company. Monthly, weekly, quarterly, random analysis, etc. Information that is pulled from different sources with field headers and then taken into Excel or Access or other programs to do the trend analysis. Things that a monkey can't do because a monkey will mess up, but a robot can do because it's just a 1) do this, 2) do this, 3) do that process that a human memorizes and then performs. Hence obsolete soon

I have a case study thread somewhere. I make $62k, will be out of debt in 4 months, and live in an area where I could get a decent home for < 200. But I don't make anywhere near enough. I can't save for a home and contribute 18k to my 401(k). I can't contribute 18k to a 401(k) and travel. I can't help my mom with closing costs on her retirement home. Sure, in a vacuum nothing is wrong. (in 4 months time) 32 year old dude with no wife, no kids, no liabilities, making $62k? Fantastic! I can pick up a guitar and learn to play, I can drop $50 on a steak dinner and not care, I can do anything! Except, you know, get a place to live or save for retirement or meet a woman and eventually buy a 2 month salary ring or get 40 years of compound interest because I graduated at 28 and not 22, etc.

I graduated a top school with good grades and moved into the statistics field. I took several certification exams and work in insurance. It means nothing. I'm not a people person, I can't manage, and I won't be able to move into a VP position making $130k because I'll never be comfortable going into a room of 20 people and leading a meeting where I'm making complex business decisions. I can't even decide if I want chicken or beef tonight and I've already spent an hour on it.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #48 on: April 26, 2017, 09:13:52 AM »
I graduated a top school with good grades and moved into the statistics field. I took several certification exams and work in insurance. It means nothing. I'm not a people person, I can't manage, and I won't be able to move into a VP position making $130k because I'll never be comfortable going into a room of 20 people and leading a meeting where I'm making complex business decisions. I can't even decide if I want chicken or beef tonight and I've already spent an hour on it.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #49 on: April 26, 2017, 09:19:09 AM »
Rob a liquor store?