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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2017, 09:31:16 AM »
What can I do to make money on the side

Note: I own nothing of value other than my PS4 and TV, have no marketable skills, would prefer to work from home in the evening, and wouldn't do it for less than $15 an hour

What I think you really need to pursue is a shift in attitude.  From your posts, you sound depressed and overall have a sense of hopelessness.

That attitude needs to shift to hopeful before ANYTHING can happen.  Keep in mind it can take years to build up and cannot be done overnight.  It took you 32 years to get here and will take years to overcome.  I was in a similar place at 29 when I looked in the mirror and noticed I had aged and wondered what the hell I had done in my life.

Start small: maybe get outside in the sun and off the PS4 and TV.  Video games have their benefits (especially in the cold of winter), but nothing beats feeling the warmth of the sun on your back.  Make this into a daily system and you'll be amazed how much better you begin to feel about yourself and towards all things overall.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2017, 09:34:56 AM »
I have a case study thread somewhere. I make $62k, will be out of debt in 4 months, and live in an area where I could get a decent home for < 200. But I don't make anywhere near enough. I can't save for a home and contribute 18k to my 401(k). I can't contribute 18k to a 401(k) and travel. I can't help my mom with closing costs on her retirement home. Sure, in a vacuum nothing is wrong. (in 4 months time) 32 year old dude with no wife, no kids, no liabilities, making $62k? Fantastic! I can pick up a guitar and learn to play, I can drop $50 on a steak dinner and not care, I can do anything! Except, you know, get a place to live or save for retirement or meet a woman and eventually buy a 2 month salary ring or get 40 years of compound interest because I graduated at 28 and not 22, etc.

You should post some rolling updates in the case study thread.  There are a lot of people who follow those and it could be a place for constant feedback and updates. Have you started a journal?  I've been debating that myself as well to help me work through different things. What helped me was really starting and focusing on my budget.  It's been a therapy more than anything because I can track my progress now.  I still have 50 things I want to get better at and learn, but each little piece has helped so far.

To the last sentence here,
I bet you could save up enough to get into a piece of property within the year.  Challenge yourself, figure out what you want to save, and see what you need to do for that to happen.  Hard choices. Challenge. (helps with the mind to have that focus)
As you bring your expenses down, you can roll what you used to spend into increased retirement savings. Shit adds up quick.
Don't need to worry about the ring.  By the time you will be focused on that, the money needed to purchase the ring will not be what you are worried about.(also, 2 months salary isn't some rule that everyone follows)
Learn to play guitar.(or pick one thing that you want to learn that's not guitar and make 30 minutes a day to learn about it, practice, whatever).
Read/Join some of the gauntlet threads. Helps with accountability in working towards some self-made goals.

And to the SQL piece from earlier, have you looked up database developer paths and certs?  Once you know the basics, you can start expanding on that and shift towards more IT focused work if you want out of reporting.  I'm currently trying to transition from developer to more DBA focused work which is super challenging and fun to be learning completely new concepts that were right beside the things I work with everyday.

Where do you want to be in 3 months/ 6 months / 1 year?  Rough idea, net worth goals, spending goals, learning goals.  I've been using google keep to keep myself on top of different tasks I want to complete.  I struggle immensely with committing and following through.  This has been helping because its a constant reminder of what I need to do / wanted to do.


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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2017, 09:35:53 AM »
Sulame66 - What does your mom say you should do? Because she knows you, and she cares about you, and you want to help her with her closing costs, so you two are close. What does she say when you tell her what is on your mind?

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2017, 09:36:36 AM »
On the off-chance that OP isn't trolling us all after all, here's a real answer.

Dude, get a grip. Take some responsibility for your own life- because nobody else will. Society will abandon you on the wayside of the road like a sun-baked turd, and not think about it twice. Then you will wallow in self-pity on reddit with other lost souls about how you have crippling anxiety and you got screwed by the system.

You just can't get everything you want at once. You are not entitled to getting out of debt, traveling, saving 18k+ a year, meeting a great soulmate, and buying a house for both you and your mother all in the next 6 months. Make some some choices and focus on what's achievable.

Getting comfortable around people is a no-cost operation. Force yourself to talk to 10 strangers a day, until you are smoother than a politician on the campaign trail. I don't care if it's just asking for directions or commenting on the weather. Just do it.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2017, 09:47:21 AM »
I graduated a top school with good grades and moved into the statistics field. I took several certification exams and work in insurance. It means nothing. I'm not a people person, I can't manage, and I won't be able to move into a VP position making $130k because I'll never be comfortable going into a room of 20 people and leading a meeting where I'm making complex business decisions. I can't even decide if I want chicken or beef tonight and I've already spent an hour on it.

Being a "people person" is not really a thing.  It's a learned skill.  I was very shy in my younger years, but due to my chosen profession was forced to interact with people in a high stress environment.  You learn quickly, but it's a matter of getting out of your comfort zone.  Instead of playing video games alone, go join a board game group and hang with them.  Check out meetup.com, there are plenty of groups to hang out with in a variety of activities. 

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2017, 10:13:15 AM »
I graduated a top school with good grades and moved into the statistics field. I took several certification exams and work in insurance. It means nothing. I'm not a people person, I can't manage, and I won't be able to move into a VP position making $130k because I'll never be comfortable going into a room of 20 people and leading a meeting where I'm making complex business decisions. I can't even decide if I want chicken or beef tonight and I've already spent an hour on it.

Are you on the actuarial track? That's a rough field. I started down that road, but the work environment was too closed off for me. I needed more than spreadsheets and code in my work life to be happy. Now I'm a much more chipper public health employee making $14/hr, but hoping for career growth in time. Why not challenge yourself to try something new? Take an epidemiology class, and see if that could be a good career for you. Alternatively, look into accounting or finance certifications. Then, at least, you could look for work outside of an insurance company. I found life to be much better when I moved on from that environment.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2017, 10:27:18 AM »
What makes you say you don't make enough?  What is your percentage of spending compared to income and / or saving compared to income/spending?  Maybe you're being too hard on yourself.  What are your long-term and short-term goals ?

If you think your career is going to stagnate in the near future then now is the time to pre-empt that.   Teaching ESL is always in demand and as a journalist you should have a good handle on the language I'd expect.  If you want to be a writer - start writing on a daily basis -- not because you think it's the only way to make money - but because you have something to say or a story to tell.  Write because you love to write -- don't count on the money.

Also don't underestimate the skills you probably already have.  Perhaps get together with some like-minded friends and have a brain-storming session.  Other people will come up with lots of ideas for you that you can't see in yourself.  Be open to suggestions.

Have you ever read Susan Jeffers -- Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway ?
Or an oldie -- what color is your parachute ?  Lots of good exercises in those books to get you started on a different way of thinking.
Or The Artist's Way ?

Make a list right now -- all the things you've ever done; what you like; don't like; why.  Do some stream of conscientiousness  writing.

Reporting as in - data reporting for a large company. Monthly, weekly, quarterly, random analysis, etc. Information that is pulled from different sources with field headers and then taken into Excel or Access or other programs to do the trend analysis. Things that a monkey can't do because a monkey will mess up, but a robot can do because it's just a 1) do this, 2) do this, 3) do that process that a human memorizes and then performs. Hence obsolete soon

I have a case study thread somewhere. I make $62k, will be out of debt in 4 months, and live in an area where I could get a decent home for < 200. But I don't make anywhere near enough. I can't save for a home and contribute 18k to my 401(k). I can't contribute 18k to a 401(k) and travel. I can't help my mom with closing costs on her retirement home. Sure, in a vacuum nothing is wrong. (in 4 months time) 32 year old dude with no wife, no kids, no liabilities, making $62k? Fantastic! I can pick up a guitar and learn to play, I can drop $50 on a steak dinner and not care, I can do anything! Except, you know, get a place to live or save for retirement or meet a woman and eventually buy a 2 month salary ring or get 40 years of compound interest because I graduated at 28 and not 22, etc.

I graduated a top school with good grades and moved into the statistics field. I took several certification exams and work in insurance. It means nothing. I'm not a people person, I can't manage, and I won't be able to move into a VP position making $130k because I'll never be comfortable going into a room of 20 people and leading a meeting where I'm making complex business decisions. I can't even decide if I want chicken or beef tonight and I've already spent an hour on it.

Have you thought about visiting a psychiatrist or a councilor?  I'm not poking fun.  Honestly you sound like you might need a mental health tune-up. 

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2017, 11:28:10 AM »
OP is trolling everyone.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2017, 11:31:34 AM »
Find a full-time job with a tuition benefit and get an education.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2017, 12:13:20 PM »
Can you walk a dog?  People pay good money to have their dog walked once or twice a day.  Get more local clients than you can handle, and after that contract out the actual dog-walking to a handful of trusted people, and make a silly amount of money in the process.  That's step-for-step what a friend of mine did in high school.  He worked his ass off the year after high school setting all that up, then went away to college and ran the business from afar coordinating while his people did all the day-to-day.  He actually ended up selling the business for a decent amount after he graduated.  I know it more than paid for his degree.  He was about 19-22 during all this.  Apply the concept to anything.  You don't need a sexy skill to make money, it just has to be *a* skill.  Of course, a sexy skill helps.

I graduated a top school with good grades and moved into the statistics field. I took several certification exams and work in insurance. It means nothing. I'm not a people person, I can't manage, and I won't be able to move into a VP position making $130k because I'll never be comfortable going into a room of 20 people and leading a meeting where I'm making complex business decisions. I can't even decide if I want chicken or beef tonight and I've already spent an hour on it.

Being a "people person" is not really a thing.  It's a learned skill.  I was very shy in my younger years, but due to my chosen profession was forced to interact with people in a high stress environment.  You learn quickly, but it's a matter of getting out of your comfort zone.  Instead of playing video games alone, go join a board game group and hang with them.  Check out meetup.com, there are plenty of groups to hang out with in a variety of activities.
Absolutely this too.  My GF is overall very introverted and has fought her demons with social anxiety and analysis-paralysis in the past, but she owns it and makes a conscious effort to overcome it.  The work she does now is basically her dream job making good money, and it would be completely impossible for her to have gotten there if she wasn't able to put on her "sociable extrovert" mask when the situation calls for it.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #60 on: April 26, 2017, 12:44:38 PM »
I graduated a top school with good grades and moved into the statistics field. I took several certification exams and work in insurance. It means nothing. I'm not a people person, I can't manage, and I won't be able to move into a VP position making $130k because I'll never be comfortable going into a room of 20 people and leading a meeting where I'm making complex business decisions. I can't even decide if I want chicken or beef tonight and I've already spent an hour on it.

Are you on the actuarial track? That's a rough field. I started down that road, but the work environment was too closed off for me. I needed more than spreadsheets and code in my work life to be happy. Now I'm a much more chipper public health employee making $14/hr, but hoping for career growth in time. Why not challenge yourself to try something new? Take an epidemiology class, and see if that could be a good career for you. Alternatively, look into accounting or finance certifications. Then, at least, you could look for work outside of an insurance company. I found life to be much better when I moved on from that environment.

I passed exams 1, 2, and 3, then stopped studying in the middle of 4 when I realized I didn't want to live in NYC, LA, Seattle, or Chicago, and therefore 80% of jobs were unattainable. Also, that I'm not smart enough to finish them all

I'm in a community group, I was just out boating with them over the weekend. I'm friendly with everyone at work and each of the 14 team leads I interact with semi-regularly like me. I've been on (probably) over 100 dates in the last 15 years. Not quite sure where 'not being a people person / manager' equates to 'can't talk to people'

And, no, I don't know what field will be viable or not viable in 5 years. Like everyone else alive

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #61 on: April 26, 2017, 01:20:38 PM »
I graduated a top school with good grades and moved into the statistics field. I took several certification exams and work in insurance. It means nothing. I'm not a people person, I can't manage, and I won't be able to move into a VP position making $130k because I'll never be comfortable going into a room of 20 people and leading a meeting where I'm making complex business decisions. I can't even decide if I want chicken or beef tonight and I've already spent an hour on it.

Are you on the actuarial track? That's a rough field. I started down that road, but the work environment was too closed off for me. I needed more than spreadsheets and code in my work life to be happy. Now I'm a much more chipper public health employee making $14/hr, but hoping for career growth in time. Why not challenge yourself to try something new? Take an epidemiology class, and see if that could be a good career for you. Alternatively, look into accounting or finance certifications. Then, at least, you could look for work outside of an insurance company. I found life to be much better when I moved on from that environment.

I passed exams 1, 2, and 3, then stopped studying in the middle of 4 when I realized I didn't want to live in NYC, LA, Seattle, or Chicago, and therefore 80% of jobs were unattainable. Also, that I'm not smart enough to finish them all

I'm in a community group, I was just out boating with them over the weekend. I'm friendly with everyone at work and each of the 14 team leads I interact with semi-regularly like me. I've been on (probably) over 100 dates in the last 15 years. Not quite sure where 'not being a people person / manager' equates to 'can't talk to people'

And, no, I don't know what field will be viable or not viable in 5 years. Like everyone else alive

You can't be helped.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #62 on: April 26, 2017, 02:09:56 PM »
Reporting as in - data reporting for a large company. Monthly, weekly, quarterly, random analysis, etc. Information that is pulled from different sources with field headers and then taken into Excel or Access or other programs to do the trend analysis. Things that a monkey can't do because a monkey will mess up, but a robot can do because it's just a 1) do this, 2) do this, 3) do that process that a human memorizes and then performs. Hence obsolete soon

I have a case study thread somewhere. I make $62k, will be out of debt in 4 months, and live in an area where I could get a decent home for < 200. But I don't make anywhere near enough. I can't save for a home and contribute 18k to my 401(k). I can't contribute 18k to a 401(k) and travel. I can't help my mom with closing costs on her retirement home. Sure, in a vacuum nothing is wrong. (in 4 months time) 32 year old dude with no wife, no kids, no liabilities, making $62k? Fantastic! I can pick up a guitar and learn to play, I can drop $50 on a steak dinner and not care, I can do anything! Except, you know, get a place to live or save for retirement or meet a woman and eventually buy a 2 month salary ring or get 40 years of compound interest because I graduated at 28 and not 22, etc.

I graduated a top school with good grades and moved into the statistics field. I took several certification exams and work in insurance. It means nothing. I'm not a people person, I can't manage, and I won't be able to move into a VP position making $130k because I'll never be comfortable going into a room of 20 people and leading a meeting where I'm making complex business decisions. I can't even decide if I want chicken or beef tonight and I've already spent an hour on it.
So you are not patient and thankful for what you have.

There is no magic pill you will get on the internet.  None.  As with any salary, 62k has to be budgeted and prioritized.  There are folks making $500k whining about how it just doesn't go far once you pay for all the "mandatory" trappings that come with that sort of lifestyle.  See: http://www.financialsamurai.com/scraping-by-on-500000-a-year-high-income-earners-struggling/

You options are:
1)  Be happy with what you have.  Really, this is more of a choice than you realize.  You make more single than the median family makes.

2)  Change careers to make more money or at least to be happier (higher priority of the two).  32 is not too old for this by large margin. 

3)  Invest in lottery tickets and booze, or other short lived thrills to distract from the grind that is life.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #63 on: April 26, 2017, 02:20:31 PM »
You can't be helped.
Everyone can be helped.
Whether or not they accept or take the help is another issue I suppose, and maybe that's what you meant.
But telling someone they are 'unhelpable' is definitely not ... you know... helpful.

Many of you may be right, perhaps the OP is trolling... on the other hand perhaps he's a real person who is going through a rough patch in life and needs encouragement as opposed to criticism.
Compassion costs us nothing.

Sulame66 - I would strongly second the suggestion of looking into counseling or therapy, it does wonders (I know it has for me).
The only thing I can say that I know for certain is that if you do nothing then nothing will change, and seeing as you don't seem happy with the current state of your life then perhaps it's time to do... something.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #64 on: April 26, 2017, 02:20:57 PM »
I believe the term for this is complainypants syndrome.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #65 on: April 26, 2017, 02:23:38 PM »
OP is a troll, I wonder when they will let this thread continue before locking it.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #66 on: April 26, 2017, 03:00:46 PM »
Sell your PS-4. GO outside. That big yellow thing is the sun. it wont kill you.
For 20 years I have had 2 jobs. In my 20's I worked 9 hours a day all week and worked as a laborer installing swimming pools in on the weekends 8 months of the year. The guy paid me 100$ a day cash. and that was in the 90's. I also made some good friends and got a good workout. Who knows you might even meet a girl. look for a gig like that. Picking up jobsite debris on construction sites can usually get you about $15/hour as well. I have had friends that did that. 

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #67 on: April 26, 2017, 04:55:56 PM »
...Except, you know, get a place to live or save for retirement or meet a woman and eventually buy a 2 month salary ring or get 40 years of compound interest because I graduated at 28 and not 22, etc.

2 month salary ring? you can't save for your retirement?

first, the debeers company created the notion of an engagement ring + the "x amount salary" that should be spent on one. don't be fooled... also, remember the message board you're posting on. if you're serious about FIRE, i'm guessing the partner you seek in life would have similar values, OR would (should) love you enough to not care about something like an expensive ring...

also, what state do you live in? i lived in new york city for 3 years (with a roomate) making $50k /yr (no benefits), and was still able to save for retirement via an IRA and have a good life. i couldn't max it out, but i still saved. i'm sure you could to, or do you have an all or nothing mentality toward it?




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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #68 on: April 26, 2017, 05:43:09 PM »
Sulame66, I have read through a number of your posts.

I see you are trying to be financially responsible, plan for the future and are looking into opportunities (like being a landlord).  Good for you!  You feel as though your current job will be obsolete in 5 years, and you are trying to make plans.  Smart!  You have gotten negative feedback from other members and are still here.  Good.  Be willing to take negative feedback and don't give up!

I do not have the answer to your issues, but I hope to help you improve your ways of looking for answers.  I think you are trying, but the biggest obstacle right now is attitude / mindset.  You have asked for help, but when others give suggestions you just find ways to shut them down.

*In your mind:  look at the "spirit" of suggestions.  Do not look for ways the suggestions are NOT applicable to you.  Sometimes that's hard.  I live in Texas, too.  The recommendation on PF blogs to just "acclimate to the heat" and don't turn on the AC has a much different meaning in Houston than in Colorado.  That doesn't mean I should shut that suggestion down, or that I'm a wimp because I will use AC.  I can still try to keep the thermostat at a warmer temperature.  And in winters?  I play a game to see how little I can turn the heat on.  I had the heat on for maybe 12 hours total this winter.  Even MMM uses more heat.  But that is because our situation is different.  He has a free-standing house in Colorado.  I live in an apartment in Houston.  We are both trying to use less energy (MMM is waaaaaay better than me).

*On your posts: Don't tell other commenters how their suggestions won't work.  It gives the impression that you are looking for ways to fail, not ways to succeed.  If someone suggests that you shove snow as a side gig, don't reply that you live in Dallas and that's not an option.   Tell them "maybe not shoveling snow since I am in Dallas, but I suppose I could look into mowing grass."  If you keep telling people their ideas are bad, then you will stop getting helpful ideas.  If you try to mold their suggestions to your situation, then they may be able to help you with more appropriate suggestions. 

*On your posts: Try specifically asking for lists of resources.  Instead of asking how to do something, ask for what other Mustachians have found to be the most helpful resources for that topic. 

*In your free time: Devour personal finance blogs/books as much as possible.  I get the impression you are still very new to the MMM site.  What I like best about Mr Money Mustache is unstoppable positive attitude.  I find it inspirational (most of the time).

*In your free time: I would also encourage you to seek counselling.  MMM is a great place for inspiration, but it is not a good place for a pity party.  Other posters will try to devour you.  That is not to say there isn't a time or place in life for a person to share their negative woes and feeling with the intent to get a sympathetic ear.  I think counselling is a great place for that.  I had minor low grade depression (dysthymia) for several years.  I finally went to a counselor and it inspired me to make some changes in my life.  The changes have really improved my mental health.  Counselling did not cure me -- it can't do that -- but it did help me find a better approach.

One stumbling block for me, personally, to start counselling was the inertia to set it all up.  It's not that hard when you are in a good mental place, but it seemed overwhelming to break the inertia and sludge through the options and find out "how" to do it when I was depressed.  My friend actually helped me the best by telling me exactly how to do that.  I apologize, I don't exactly remember.
I think I found my insurance card and went to the web site.  There was options to find options in my network.  I found a list, then went through and found options relatively near me and compatible (looked each one up and decided based on gender, age, spiritual association (Christian/Buddhist/Non-affiliated).  I think that is what I did.  Can other posters help out with this?  Like I said, just getting started was the hardest part for me.  Literally, just finding out HOW to set up an appointment with a counselor in my network was the worst part.




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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #69 on: April 27, 2017, 05:19:12 AM »
MMM is a great place for inspiration, but it is not a good place for a pity party.  Other posters will try to devour you.
"Devour" him? That's a little... melodramatic.

The harsher posters here aren't monsters, aren't bullies with keyboards, they're people who've been asked for help (IRL or online) repeatedly, only to have every offer shot down. After a while it wears on you. You start looking at requests for help with a jaded eye.

It's not nice to just up and accuse someone of being a troll, but it's also not nice to ask for help and then tell the helpers that every suggestion they give won't work.

OP, I'm joining the chorus of "get into therapy", and I say this as someone with dysthymia (you can have my Wellbutrin when you pry it out of my cold, dead hands). Do you have a primary care doctor? Go visit him/her and explain your feelings of hopelessness, then get a referral to an in-network psychiatrist who can get you meds if you need them. They won't turn you into a shiny-happy-fake person, they'll just let you reset your baseline mood to something more neutral, and it'll help you feel less powerless.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #70 on: April 27, 2017, 09:19:30 AM »
I'm going to assume this OP is not a troll...

I find the poor attitude and knee jerk negativity a bit frustrating. Mostly because I have similar tendencies and recognize thinking patterns I actively work to mitigate.

I'm a natural at sizing up situations and picking out the flaws and potential issues that could cause things to fail. I'm so good at it I've made it my job (business analyst, of a sort).

What I've learned, though, is that spending too much time in this mode leads to a fairly crappy life. All you see are problems, and you are really not much fun to be around.

So I've consciously focused on ways to shift my thinking towards the optimistic and constructive side of the spectrum. Identifying potential problems and planning for the likeliest failures is important, but a little goes a long way and optimistic action is so much more fun.

There is such a thing as being an "optimist by choice", and it's worth it.


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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #71 on: April 27, 2017, 10:08:02 AM »
And, no, I don't know what field will be viable or not viable in 5 years. Like everyone else alive

Exactly!  No one knows what’s going to be around or not in 5 years, but lots of people are still working in their fields, making contributions to those fields, and exploring side hustles or job-searching because no one can predict it.  Not knowing shouldn’t keep you from exploring alternatives or trying to succeed the pants off your current job until it morphs into something else or no longer exists.

Here’s what I hope is an insightful example of what I’m doing to avoid my job being partly automated: For my job (which I am content with), they’re introducing a new program to basically do what I and a bunch of other people do much more efficiently through an automated process.  Instead of 1) doing the job and 2) problem-solving when something goes wrong, the goal is that the program will do the job, and they’ll only need a handful of people for the problem solving part.  The expectation is that once this thing is up and going, some people are going to be moved, or let go if spots can’t be found on other teams.  It’s still in the very early stages and we’re guinea pigs.  Some people want nothing to do with this thing and have expressed much negativity and an unwillingness to help out an ounce, except to make a list of all the problems.  In the other hand are two others and myself, who have begun using what we can of this program to help the programmers with trouble shooting, and are also writing a how-to-use guide with troubleshooting (regarding our own processes) for some of those problems, all broken down step by step.  We’re not technical, we’re not a technical team at all, (I’m lucky I can turn my computer on and use my smartphone to call and text) so it’s written for the layperson with very basic language.  Still no one else wants to adopt it, and when we present the final version, I’m sure we’ll get backlash and criticism from out teammates for encouraging this.  But…I got a 14% raise + bonus a couple months ago for my work on a different project, so I know that come next year, I’ll likely do good again.  And when they start letting people go or moving them in however many years, I’m going to stay here with this job I am content with and not risk moving to a shit storm of dysfunction team.

I’m hope that there’s a tidbit of hope or optimism you can grab from that; please take what you can!  :)  I honestly have no idea where I’ll be in 5 years.  My other plan (because honestly, I’m here on MMM because I want to FIRE) is right now, I’m testing out some side hustles, and I hope to make those into a money-generating business.  Then maybe I can quit and not worry about the cubicle gods and their testy, testy ways any more.  But, it’s good to keep all my options open!

What I've learned, though, is that spending too much time in this mode leads to a fairly crappy life. All you see are problems, and you are really not much fun to be around.

So I've consciously focused on ways to shift my thinking towards the optimistic and constructive side of the spectrum. Identifying potential problems and planning for the likeliest failures is important, but a little goes a long way and optimistic action is so much more fun.

There is such a thing as being an "optimist by choice", and it's worth it.

Yes to this!!  I decided in 2013 to shift my mindset (And I’m still working on it, it's not a quick or easy thing to do) in my 'crappy life', and it has paid off since then!  Back then, I couldn’t see me being where I am now, or even contemplating the wild ideas for what I have for 5 years from now.  I am so excited!  There is hope, OP!

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #72 on: April 27, 2017, 12:21:44 PM »
I'm going to assume this OP is not a troll...

I find the poor attitude and knee jerk negativity a bit frustrating. Mostly because I have similar tendencies and recognize thinking patterns I actively work to mitigate.

I'm a natural at sizing up situations and picking out the flaws and potential issues that could cause things to fail. I'm so good at it I've made it my job (business analyst, of a sort).

What I've learned, though, is that spending too much time in this mode leads to a fairly crappy life. All you see are problems, and you are really not much fun to be around.

So I've consciously focused on ways to shift my thinking towards the optimistic and constructive side of the spectrum. Identifying potential problems and planning for the likeliest failures is important, but a little goes a long way and optimistic action is so much more fun.

There is such a thing as being an "optimist by choice", and it's worth it.

Yes to this!!  I decided in 2013 to shift my mindset (And I’m still working on it, it's not a quick or easy thing to do) in my 'crappy life', and it has paid off since then!  Back then, I couldn’t see me being where I am now, or even contemplating the wild ideas for what I have for 5 years from now.  I am so excited!  There is hope, OP!

Do either of you have resources for this? I am in EXACTLY, EXACTLY this position. My problem-finding and pessimism is perfect for my job, but starting to erode my personal life. I've tried a couple books to mixed success and started on the Happier podcast... please give me other ideas!

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #73 on: April 27, 2017, 12:56:43 PM »
I'm going to assume this OP is not a troll...

I find the poor attitude and knee jerk negativity a bit frustrating. Mostly because I have similar tendencies and recognize thinking patterns I actively work to mitigate.

I'm a natural at sizing up situations and picking out the flaws and potential issues that could cause things to fail. I'm so good at it I've made it my job (business analyst, of a sort).

What I've learned, though, is that spending too much time in this mode leads to a fairly crappy life. All you see are problems, and you are really not much fun to be around.

So I've consciously focused on ways to shift my thinking towards the optimistic and constructive side of the spectrum. Identifying potential problems and planning for the likeliest failures is important, but a little goes a long way and optimistic action is so much more fun.

There is such a thing as being an "optimist by choice", and it's worth it.

Yes to this!!  I decided in 2013 to shift my mindset (And I’m still working on it, it's not a quick or easy thing to do) in my 'crappy life', and it has paid off since then!  Back then, I couldn’t see me being where I am now, or even contemplating the wild ideas for what I have for 5 years from now.  I am so excited!  There is hope, OP!

Do either of you have resources for this? I am in EXACTLY, EXACTLY this position. My problem-finding and pessimism is perfect for my job, but starting to erode my personal life. I've tried a couple books to mixed success and started on the Happier podcast... please give me other ideas!

Mindfulness.  Yoga incorporates it if you want a physical activity to go along with it.  For a deeper philosophical look, look into Stoicism.  Daily practices such as negative visualization help keep perspective.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #74 on: April 27, 2017, 01:24:07 PM »
MMM is a great place for inspiration, but it is not a good place for a pity party.  Other posters will try to devour you.
"Devour" him? That's a little... melodramatic.
Okay, guilty!  I was trying use exuberant tone of the blog itself.  This is already a place that offers face-punches to people who come here with an open mind . . . . tried to think of what the next level would be ;-)

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #75 on: April 27, 2017, 01:24:24 PM »
Buy this book.

Read it. 

Start building your talent stack. 


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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #76 on: April 27, 2017, 01:54:19 PM »
Go read this website and listen to their podcasts - http://www.sidehustlenation.com/

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #77 on: April 27, 2017, 01:59:45 PM »
Sulamee, join VIP kid https://t.vipkid.com.cn/?refereeId=4568896 and then earn $22/hr from your home, setting your own schedule. It's teaching english to kids in China, so the hours are perfect for a side hustle (4-8 am and Friday and Saturday evenings).

You can start RIGHT now without having to build a business or learn how to code. Another forum member made 1600 last month!

I just got hired after a somewhat lengthy interview process (an interview followed by two mock classes where you pretend to teach a class).

Do it! https://t.vipkid.com.cn/?refereeId=4568896

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #78 on: April 27, 2017, 02:41:56 PM »
As others have pointed out, get your attitude in order.

And get yourself and your skills (stats) into the clinical research business.  Even if you have to start at the bottom (i.e. testing somebody else's code).  As an Associate Director (small company - I was dept. head of a group of 8) my base salary was $150k.  Work for a few years and learn the skills, then just go work on contract.   You'll be paid a minimum of $75/hr.

You need to get into this kind of business and then you need to stay on top of your skill set.  Innovation is slowly but surely dropping the headcount that it takes to get work done.  Those that remain are getting paid more, but more is expected of them.  I did it for 22 years, but now I'm set - I retired last year (47 years old).  As long as the end product of clinical research (new medicines, medical devices, and testing methods) generates big revenues, companies will pay for the clinical research to get done.

And just to be clear - for me personally, the career was high stress and unpleasant.  But I did it for the paycheck and the end result (and I never did have a job of any type at any point in my life that I actually enjoyed)
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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #79 on: April 27, 2017, 02:50:57 PM »
Dude: statistics, BI, Data Science is a massively growing field. It is not going to end. Robots ain't taking away our worth.

A few points to help you:
- Learn Tableau today. It is so fucking easy once you get used to it. And very high in demand.
- if you are reporting using excel, you are not in the statistics field. You are doing reporting. Take the data you have and develop a model. Wow the shit out of your execs. Get a raise. If you don't know how, take a free course. Not as hard as it seems.....err, I mean, it's really hard, keep giving us money, large corps.
- SQL is also not hard, at least enough to get by as a statistician. You don't need developer level skills, just enough to do a few joins/filters and you're off to the races.
- become the guy who says "Excel? Nah, I use way better tools than that!"

Note: I'm just a regular joe, not some kind of genius. I started my career at 25. The first couple years sucked. Once I moved up, by moving out, things got a hell of a lot rosier.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #80 on: April 27, 2017, 03:08:31 PM »
Reminds me of someone I tried to 'counsel' not too long ago, on this forum.

Get a better attitude. Period.

Then you will get a woman, she won't care that it didn't cost $10k
Yall should double your HH income=home ownership.
kids, retirement, life.

Boom! done.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #81 on: April 27, 2017, 03:38:13 PM »
I am ready to drop my new mix tape and I am WAY ahead on the scratch off tickets! Once my mix tape goes off it will for sure be this years summer jam. Then I will invest my earnings on cocaine, gold jewelry, large rims for my ride, and no fewer than five big booty white girls. FIRE is just a few weeks away!

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #82 on: April 28, 2017, 08:02:01 AM »
^^  What are "tapes?" ^^

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« Reply #83 on: April 28, 2017, 09:17:34 AM »
What makes you say you don't make enough?  What is your percentage of spending compared to income and / or saving compared to income/spending?  Maybe you're being too hard on yourself.  What are your long-term and short-term goals ?

If you think your career is going to stagnate in the near future then now is the time to pre-empt that.   Teaching ESL is always in demand and as a journalist you should have a good handle on the language I'd expect.  If you want to be a writer - start writing on a daily basis -- not because you think it's the only way to make money - but because you have something to say or a story to tell.  Write because you love to write -- don't count on the money.

Also don't underestimate the skills you probably already have.  Perhaps get together with some like-minded friends and have a brain-storming session.  Other people will come up with lots of ideas for you that you can't see in yourself.  Be open to suggestions.

Have you ever read Susan Jeffers -- Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway ?
Or an oldie -- what color is your parachute ?  Lots of good exercises in those books to get you started on a different way of thinking.
Or The Artist's Way ?

Make a list right now -- all the things you've ever done; what you like; don't like; why.  Do some stream of conscientiousness  writing.

Reporting as in - data reporting for a large company. Monthly, weekly, quarterly, random analysis, etc. Information that is pulled from different sources with field headers and then taken into Excel or Access or other programs to do the trend analysis. Things that a monkey can't do because a monkey will mess up, but a robot can do because it's just a 1) do this, 2) do this, 3) do that process that a human memorizes and then performs. Hence obsolete soon

I have a case study thread somewhere. I make $62k, will be out of debt in 4 months, and live in an area where I could get a decent home for < 200. But I don't make anywhere near enough. I can't save for a home and contribute 18k to my 401(k). I can't contribute 18k to a 401(k) and travel. I can't help my mom with closing costs on her retirement home. Sure, in a vacuum nothing is wrong. (in 4 months time) 32 year old dude with no wife, no kids, no liabilities, making $62k? Fantastic! I can pick up a guitar and learn to play, I can drop $50 on a steak dinner and not care, I can do anything! Except, you know, get a place to live or save for retirement or meet a woman and eventually buy a 2 month salary ring or get 40 years of compound interest because I graduated at 28 and not 22, etc.

I graduated a top school with good grades and moved into the statistics field. I took several certification exams and work in insurance. It means nothing. I'm not a people person, I can't manage, and I won't be able to move into a VP position making $130k because I'll never be comfortable going into a room of 20 people and leading a meeting where I'm making complex business decisions. I can't even decide if I want chicken or beef tonight and I've already spent an hour on it.

Excuse me, what? You make $62k? I'm sorry, I can't hear your complaining over your exploding volcano of cash.

You live in a place where you can buy a nice house for <$200k, that means rents are fairly low/reasonable. Not like you're trying to cope with a HCOL city. If the nice houses are that cheap-- the mediocre ones are surely even cheaper.

"I can't"
|_Save for a home and contribute $18k to my 401(k). Let's see-- You make $62k. Contribute $18k of that, and that leaves you with $44k. Which is *still* an exploding volcano of cash. Assuming that your rent is somewhere under $1,000 (tell me if I'm wrong), you can save at least $20k in a year (barring a medical emergency or an insurance-level property disaster). $20k is a 10% downpayment on a $200k home, or 20% down on a $100k fixer-upper.

|_Contribute 18k to a 401(k) and travel. Let's see-- You make $62k. Contribute $18k of that, and that leaves you with $44k. Save $20k.....I don't know what "travel" means to you, but I expect it's at least one or two swanky trips to non-american countries. If I were me with $20k designated to travelling, I'd be doing "tour of the whole U.S." or "several months in Ecuador" or "tour all of Europe" type travel. Your limiting factor is "allowed vacation time" not "lack of money".

|_Help my mom with closing costs on her retirement home. Let's see-- I just bought a $200k house, and closing costs were about $4-6k. Based on my (admittedly back-of-the-envelope) calculations, sounds like you could EASILY afford to save enough to cover *all* the closing costs for your Mom AND take her with you on a nice cruise or trip to Hawaii to celebrate.

|_Eventually buy a 2 month salary ring. Let's see-- Two months' salary is $62/6. A ~$10,000 ring should take you about eight months to save up for. I'd argue that that's a stupid thing to spend your money on, but whatever.

|_Meet a woman. Lets see-- Uh.....find some women and talk to them? I don't have much advice here. But I'd be willing to bet that women would be more interested in a guy who has a plan for the future, saves a lot of money and is therefore rich, owns his own home, is generous to his Mom, and goes on exciting trips around the world. If I'm wrong, please inform me, as I've been badly sheltered.

You can do anything you want. You have a tidal wave of income with which to do it. So figure out what you want, and GO GET IT.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #84 on: April 28, 2017, 09:45:58 AM »
have no marketable skills, would prefer to work from home in the evening, and wouldn't do it for less than $15 an hour

If this job existed and was relatively easy to obtain, I am pretty sure that Wal-Mart and McDonald's would not be able to hire anybody.

I have no marketable skills
Work on this

32, 10 years out of college, firmly entrenched in my job

How do you happen to be 32 years old, with a college background, in a salaried job that you are firmly entrenched in WHILE also having no marketable skills?

Why ask for help if you are dead set that you are not able to be helped?

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #85 on: April 28, 2017, 10:00:20 AM »
I have a case study thread somewhere. I make $62k, will be out of debt in 4 months, and live in an area where I could get a decent home for < 200. But I don't make anywhere near enough. I can't save for a home and contribute 18k to my 401(k). I can't contribute 18k to a 401(k) and travel. I can't help my mom with closing costs on her retirement home. Sure, in a vacuum nothing is wrong. (in 4 months time) 32 year old dude with no wife, no kids, no liabilities, making $62k? Fantastic! I can pick up a guitar and learn to play, I can drop $50 on a steak dinner and not care, I can do anything! Except, you know, get a place to live or save for retirement or meet a woman and eventually buy a 2 month salary ring or get 40 years of compound interest because I graduated at 28 and not 22, etc.

My advice is to stop f***ing whining and learn how to prioritize your wants.  I am 34, my family of 3 makes $69k/year, our house appraised at $200k 1 year ago and we are putting close to $12k/year in 401k, while paying off debt and paying for daycare.  We do not do international travel but we do plan for and do a little bit of traveling every year, some of it is within our own state, most of it is drive-able and occasionally it is far enough away that we fly or take a train.   We do not help our parents out with a down payment for a retirement home and then bitch about how we cannot afford our own home or future retirement.  We do not max out all of our retirement savings options, we will not need to in order to maintain our standard of living. 

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #86 on: April 28, 2017, 10:06:57 AM »
Here you go.
All you gotta do is walk.  You know how to walk, don't you.

After reading this thread, I put an ad on craiglist to be a lunchtime dog walker. I live near a state park and was walking my dog every weekday anyway. I put an ad out asking if anyone wanted to join our "pack" and got a response right away from someone who works full time but wants their large dog taken out daily.

$10/hour x 5 days per week was $200/month, but I raised my rates to $15/hour after a year because I pick up/drop off the dog and live in HCOL area, so now it's $300/month to EXERCISE myself. I think people here pay up to $30/walk (!)

Great side benefit has been I can make no excuses about not exercising. It's actually really fun. We go out every day, rain or shine.

Thinking about adding another dog.


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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #87 on: April 28, 2017, 09:06:37 PM »
Just to continue to pile on at this point, but guess what the "#1 best job of 2017" is?


Drumroll........

Statistician!

http://www.careercast.com/jobs-rated/best-jobs-2017

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #88 on: April 28, 2017, 09:54:42 PM »
Your only problem is that you can't code. Also you are unbelievably lazy. Learn Python already!!!

I started learning statistics at 32, started coding R at 34 while being pregnant and doing post-grad Masters in statistics (unrelated bachelors from 10 years no name school). Now at 39 I am finally finishing my Masters. It took a long time as I had to take several maths pre-requisites. While working full time at all times except 10 months maternity leave.

Now I work in reporting. I was hired to automate Excel processes and replace them with applications, then will start on data science.

We hire analysts all the time. SQL and some other coding (Python, R or any language) are the must. We pay well but the market is so hot, it is a very high turnover in our team. People leave within 18 months for more interesting and better paid jobs. The only people who stay are those who can't code. Eventually my code will automate them out completely

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #89 on: May 01, 2017, 04:41:58 PM »
I've been in the funk you are in... And in my opinion, you need more motivation and positive influence in your life. The income will come with a better attitude and outlook on life, trust me on this.

I want you to think about anything in your life that is currently a negative influence and stop being around those people or places, stop watching or listening to negativity on TV or radio or on the internet, etc.

Then start watching TED talks on youtube, read a few really a good books like "7 habits of highly effective people", or "think and grow rich", or "The go giver", or "The richest man in Babylon".

Get around and listen to positive influence and let it provide motivation in your life. The use that energy and motivation to get out and bust hump, go out and kill something to bring home dinner(in a hunter sense).

I find the hardest thing for me has been to keep up my motivation and focus, the things listed above have greatly contributed to my success in life.

Good luck.

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #90 on: November 13, 2019, 07:54:12 AM »

If you say you wish you'd have gone to school to become a Dentist, but now you say "That ship has sailed".  I ask why, and you say, "It'd be 5 yrs of more school!  I'll be 5 years older!"  I say, "How old will you be in 5 years if you don't go to Dental school?"

 I would pick Dental school only if you can not live your life without it.
I'm putting my daughter through dental college, It is $66,000 a year
for tuition and tools only! You would need to borrow $264,000 and start a new career deep in debt. Then you still need to come up with living expenses for those 4 years. I can see how students come out of college with $300k or $400k of student debt.
 On another subject, My son while at college went to a young dentist, she said he had 3 cavities that needed to be filled. He called me, I said wait and go to my dentist, he checked him out and said nothing needed. It's been 7 years, still no fillings. Unethical dentist!



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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #91 on: November 13, 2019, 09:43:28 AM »
I work in reporting. My job will be obsoleted in about 5 years by a machine that requires minimal upkeep, has 99.99% efficiency, never misses deadlines, and doesn't need to take PTO. Because I wasn't smart enough to go into the chosen field of computer programming, any 'skill' I learn (Tableau, SQL, Python, etc.) will just be a waste of time and resources. I will never have an ancillary role no matter what skill I pick up. Going back to school for an MBA isn't feasible financially or practically, and I have no other skills that would assist with moving into a field. My best option is to find a company that can absorb me into management before the coming robotocalypse, but, believe it or not, I don't do well with people and can't manage

[EDIT]Missed that this was a resurrection thread.  Never mind, and Carry-on![/Edit]

Learn COBOL and go apply at a bank or an insurance company.  You'll fit right in with the cantankerous employees still there from the 70's and 80's and the company will be happy to get someone that can work with legacy systems.
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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #92 on: November 13, 2019, 10:46:07 AM »
g4p! half kidding, half serious. There are plenty of people that will pay to watch you beat your meat.

I'm a dude. It's not like I can sell my socks for $300 like my female friend who needed help with tuition.

Looks like it's the same as last I looked: either work at Jamba Juice for 7 an hour or do nothing
You can if you use her pictures in the seller's profile

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Re: I don't make enough money
« Reply #93 on: November 15, 2019, 02:29:31 PM »
Pool boy for rich matron?