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Houston vs Albuquerque
« on: May 07, 2020, 09:13:03 AM »
Any adventure prone mustachians live in either of these cities? I’m considering them as my next place to live. I love the outdoors which is why I am drawn to ABQ(never visited), I am from Texas and all my friends and family live there which is why I’m drawn to Houston. I have lived far enough away for long enough to know the value of friends and family, which I didn’t appreciate before. Moving to Houston would give me a 30% increase in take home pay over ABQ after maxed retirement accounts. I can reach my FI number 3 years sooner in Houston over ABQ. Money isn’t everything, happiness and relationships are, seems like Houston I can have both though. ABQ sounds like a great year round outdoor haven which would bring me happiness and fulfillment. What are the pros and cons of each city and surrounding areas?

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2020, 12:42:01 PM »
I visited Albuquerque in 2005 for a week to attend a conference when I was in college.  At least back then, it was a very small city, route 66 runs right down the center of it if I recall correctly?  There was a fair amount of live music, always sunny, not too hot since it's located on a plateau.  You could bike there comfortably year round I imagine.  Not much sprawl at all, so it doesn't take long before you are out in nature. 

It had kind of a vibe where I uniqueness seems to be celebrated, didn't seem like a super trendy town. 

If it had a body of water by it, I could happily see myself spending a lot of time there in retirement.  However, if you are comparing it to Houston, I don't imagine that will be a deal breaker for you? 


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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2020, 02:06:24 PM »
I don’t mind having or not having a body of water nearby, as long as it doesn’t come inside my house.
The only concerns about Houston are the consistency of flooding and constant heat and humidity. The only concern with ABQ is time to FI and liking the new desert environment.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2020, 02:09:22 PM »
I would think cost of living in ABQ would be much lower.  Level of services is lower as are taxes.  Look at costs as well as income.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2020, 02:51:46 PM »
Albuquerque definitely has more outdoor activities, and nicer weather, but anything within an hour is slammed on the weekends. Pecos is their backyard and it gets pretty trashed.

Houston is an armpit during the summer but it's easy to get out of there since it's an airport hub. Driving anywhere remote/outdorsy will take at least an entire day in the car.

You mentioned 3 years earlier FI in Houston. How long is that total? Are you talking 10 years vs 13 or 5 vs 8? You could always take the Houston job for a few years, see how you like it, and then apply somewhere nicer after padding the stash.


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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2020, 03:22:16 PM »
bacchi- Yes you are right about trying Houston out to pad the stash, then move somewhere else if it’s not the right place. I would say currently I would be FI in 6-7 years with Houston vs 9-10 in ABQ. I would have to remain laser focused in ABQ vs have a little bit of slack in Houston to reach FI in those time frames. My DW isn’t as crazy about FI as I am currently, which adds another pressure to be laser focused in ABQ. I plan I’m getting a similar priced house at both places as well.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2020, 04:15:25 PM »
If kids might be a consideration, my colleagues in ABQ say the public education system is not very good, so they pay for private school. But New Mexican green sauce, mmmmm! They say that ABQ has a big contrast between highly educated, well-off people and people living in poverty.

Living in Houston, you can definitely find housing for fairly cheap if you aren't worried about school zones. If you have to consider kids' education, the school zoning will drive the housing prices for you. Definitely check the flood plain maps when you choose a home, and buy flood insurance if you can.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2020, 09:50:34 PM »
Is there any chance of visiting Albuquerque before you have to decide?  It sounds like you are already at least somewhat familiar with Houston. 

You mentioned DW. Does she have any attachments to either, or a motivation to choose one over the other?

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2020, 10:20:25 PM »
My buddy moved from DFW to Albuquerque two years ago.  He said it was the worst mistake of his life and quit a good job just to get away from that cesspool.  This guy did two tours in Iraq so I know not much scares him.  He claimed the crime in Albuquerque was out of this world.... Said the school districts where horrible also.  His wife left with his two young kids and moved back to Texas after 6 months because he didn't feel they where safe there.  He lasted a year until he found a job back in Texas and quit.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2020, 12:08:46 AM »
I used to live near Santa Fe so I know Albuquerque somewhat. It does have crime issues. Hot summers although the relatively high elevation helps (5000'+). Certainly much less humid than Houston. The Sandia
Mountains near ABQ are beautiful (ride the tram to the top if you get a chance). Outside of ABQ and Santa Fe, New Mexico is a fairly desolate and isolated place. There are lots of outdoor recreational opportunities within a few hours drive though, including Elephant Butte Reservoir. I would recommend visiting for 1-2 weeks if you can to get a feel for the place.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2020, 08:46:20 AM »
The attachment to Houston would be family, and more money. Although I have never visited ABQ yet, the attachment (in my mind) would be great outdoors. I’m not too worried about crime, every city has it and I’m intelligent enough to avoid sketchy situations. I know career progression would be way better in Houston vs ABQ for my DW, I don’t care about mine since I’ll be quitting within 10 years anyways.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2020, 09:03:14 AM »
I visited ABQ two years ago. The number one thing I noticed was all of the cars had their rear driver side bashed in. Driving on the freeway was scary NO one gave anyone any room. The outdoors was really fun, the tacos were great. The airbnb was cheap as hell.

It was a cheap place to go play, but no way would I live there.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2020, 09:56:12 AM »
I've lived in Albuquerque for over a decade now. Never been to Houston except flying through.

Weather I would say Albuquerque beats Houston hands down. It's high desert (5,000+ feet) so the summers are not nearly as hot as a place like Phoenix or Las Vegas. Low humidity while Houston is basically a swamp. Summer temperatures will hot 100 maybe 105 a few days. In July - September we get monsoon rains, usually in the afternoon to evening so those clouds building up help cool things down. In the winter we'll get some snow, rarely more than a few inches in the city - far more in the surrounding mountains. However you can potentially be wearing a t-shirt and be comfortable in the winter - especially if it's not windy. It's sunny most of the time so the rain is usually a nice break. Often just some big fluffy clouds or completely blue skies. Very different from the Pacific NW where I grew up, 4-5 months of overcast skies and rain.

Albuquerque has a population of about 800,000. The Houston metro area is about 7 million and the 4th largest city in the country. In terms of economy and opportunities there's no comparison. Houston's economy is probably larger than all of New Mexico. However, Albuquerque does have a large number of R&D jobs between Kirtland Air Force Base (Air Force Research Lab and others, lots of directed energy, space, and nuclear focus) and Sandia National Labs. Then just an hour or so drive to the north is Los Alamos National Labs. Between the two of them Los Alamos creates the nuclear bomb (nuclear material and explosives) while Sandia handles all the other parts (sensors, detonators, etc.). It's ironic that for a relatively poor state there is one of the highest percentages of PhDs in the country. In general though, Albuquerque and New Mexico's economy is heavily dependent on the federal government. Military bases, national labs, oil and gas drilling on federal lands, Indian tribes, etc. Almost all of the largest employers are local or federal government and the many associated contractors. There's still a mix of other sectors but government and government contracting is the big money.

Schools are not very good. New Mexico schools routinely rank near the bottom trading places with Mississippi and Washington D.C. Albuquerque Public Schools are by far the largest district in the state so follow the average. As with most places you have good schools in good neighborhoods and bad schools in bad neighborhoods. The kids going to the school with PhD parents working at the lab are probably going to be better students than the ones who are being raised by a single parent in the war zone (excuse me, the "International District" as the city tried to rebrand it several years ago).

Crime is high, especially property crime. Albuquerque was #1 in auto thefts by a significant margin the last couple of years. Not just per capita, but total auto thefts. As in more than NYC, despite being a fraction of the size. The only time I've ever been subject to crime personally was when someone tried to break the driver's side lock on our old minivan. I had parked at a popular trailhead and taken one of my kids for a hike right near sunrise and we came back to find that lock cylinder partially broken. Other than that, most of the crime is concentrated in the bad neighborhoods like anywhere else.

In general the further north in Albuquerque the better. The further south the worse. Income, schools, crime, etc. Anything south of I-40, the east-west freeway that runs through the middle of the city, is generally not a good place to live. There are a few exceptions. I've always lived on the west side of the city which is on the west side of the Rio Grande River. Most of the city and almost all the jobs are on the east side so traffic going across the few bridges is always a hassle. However, compared to a lot of cities it's hard to complain too much about traffic. The west side is newer construction so generally larger and cheaper homes and nicer neighborhoods.

There are definitely a lot of outdoor activities. You have Indian Pueblos (reservations) to the north and south, the Sandia Mountains to the east, and desert to the west. There's the Petroglyph National Monument which is a large open space running through the west side of the city, with more open space in the foothills of the Sandia Mountains. Lots of trails up into the mountains which are mostly National Forest. A significant part of the state is public lands, either state or national forests, or BLM land. Ski and snowboard opportunities abound throughout northern New Mexico. Taos Ski Valley is about a 3-hour drive, or the back side of the Sandia Mountains is 30-45 minutes. You could go skiing in the morning and then golfing in the afternoon back in Albuquerque as it's sunny most of the time (300+ days of sunshine a year). There are a lot of trails throughout the city, many of which follow along the natural arroyos (dry streambeds) that are maintained for flood control. The Rio Grande River runs through the city and on both sides is the Bosque, a cottonwood forest that extends along both sides for anywhere from a few hundred feet to a mile or so. We've taken the kids for walks along there many times and seen coyotes and other animals.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2020, 02:26:23 PM »
Albuquerque was #1 in auto thefts by a significant margin the last couple of years. Not just per capita, but total auto thefts. As in more than NYC, despite being a fraction of the size.

I agree with everything you wrote except this. ABQ was higher per capita, but the raw total was far lower than NYC.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2019/06/27/these-are-the-cities-with-the-highest-car-theft-rates/amp/

As an aside, it’s not surprising NYC has low per capita auto theft rates given how many people there don’t own a car.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2020, 04:02:33 AM »
Albuquerque was #1 in auto thefts by a significant margin the last couple of years. Not just per capita, but total auto thefts. As in more than NYC, despite being a fraction of the size.

I agree with everything you wrote except this. ABQ was higher per capita, but the raw total was far lower than NYC.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2019/06/27/these-are-the-cities-with-the-highest-car-theft-rates/amp/

As an aside, it’s not surprising NYC has low per capita auto theft rates given how many people there don’t own a car.

My mistake, I was going off memory and I thought I recalled that even with a much smaller population we had more auto thefts total, not just per capita.

It looks like in 2018 it was 780 auto thefts per 100,000 population for about 7,000 total. Anchorage, AK and Bakersfield, CA were actually pretty close behind, also in the 700s. In 2017 Albuquerque had almost 10,000 auto thefts.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2020, 12:51:23 PM »
I spent a few months in Houston in 2005 after Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, and I stayed in Albuquerque for as much as half of each month over the last 4-5 years of my career before I FIREd late last year. I would choose ABQ in a heartbeat over Houston.

The whole state of New Mexico is like a small town in some ways. I found people to be very friendly without being overbearing. People who were born and raised in NM tend to stay. They might leave for a little while for education or a job or whatever, but I ran into tons of people who came right back after a few years. It's just home to them, and nothing else compares. So there's a lot of pride in the state, and an "everyone knows everyone" vibe. Some people might not like that, but I thought it was nice. It's also sort of the "forgotten state," which seems to keep it from being overpopulated or overrun with snowbirds or tourists. (Of course Santa Fe does get those, and a pretty little town called Ruidoso that I did some work in seemed to be populated primarily by Texans and Mexicans during the ski season, but most of the state is just locals.)

I didn't think traffic was bad at all. But I was comparing it to Phoenix, where I lived for part of the time I worked in ABQ.

The weather is awesome. Plenty of sunshine. Yes, the summers in ABQ are hot, but they're nothing like Phoenix. You can still go outside in the middle of the day. Dry heat, not sticky and gross like Houston. And in the winter... it actually gets cold! Big, puffy down coat cold! I enjoyed the change in seasons. Not much snow, though, because it's a desert, although I did see a couple of inches occasionally north of ABQ.

Plenty of wide open spaces all over the state for outdoor recreation. And Santa Fe is a fun day trip, only an hour away. Northern New Mexico is probably my favorite area. So pretty up there. And Denver and other parts of Colorado are a short drive away -- doable for a weekend. Skiing in northern NM, if you're into that, is apparently quite cheap compared to the slopes in Colorado, but just as nice according to my skiing coworkers.

Cost of living is fairly low.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2020, 02:39:50 PM »
I just moved away from Houston about 3 years ago. I'd lived there for 9 years after moving there...ironically to be closer to family.
My reasons for leaving were I was tired of the heat and concrete but also for some related to my job.
I always said I'd still recommend it to anyone who wanted to live there for a few years to make some good money for FIRE.
It is possible to have some adventures there. There are some good places for trail riding (bikes) and if you know or meet people with a boat, the gulf is right there. There is the MS 150 every year...well, not this year I imagine. You can learn to tow-step and go to the Houston Rodeo. (lots of fun) And of course there is the food. You may not get green chili on everything but you can get just about any kind of food you can think of. But best of all, the pay is good and the cost of living is decent.
The down sides are of course, the heat, the traffic and the flooding.
Actually, I would say don't buy a house. They built so much that neighborhoods that never flooded before started to after a new development nearby changed things. Just rent an apartment as close to your job as possible.
That way if you hate it, it's easier to leave.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2020, 04:26:08 PM »
You didn't mention it, but hopefully you included state income tax (New Mexico) and no state income tax (Texas) in your calculations.


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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2020, 11:34:34 PM »
NM State Income Tax is about 4.5%. Sales tax, or Gross Receipts Tax, is about 8% in Albuquerque so very similar to the 8.25% in Houston. Property taxes are much lower though. Albuquerque property taxes are higher than other parts of the state but work out to roughly 1% of the property value. Houston looks like it's closer to 2%.

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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2020, 09:38:30 AM »
Thank you all for your responses so far.
beekayworld- I have definitely taking into account taxes. That’s one reason why my take home would be so much more in Houston.
I have been thinking continually about this the past few days and I think I’m leaning way more towards Houston. With a house relatively the same price in either location, it’s almost a no brainer to choose Houston for FI goals. I realize they are both completely different places and lifestyles, but they both are way better options that what I have now lol. Worst case scenario I hate Houston, move to ABQ after 5 years (FI) and enjoy the Sandias. I’m not worried about the crime issue of ABQ, I live in a city mentioned above and it can’t be worse then that haha so anywhere I go is an upgrade.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2020, 01:13:25 PM »
It sounds like you've made up your mind on Houston. The draw of being close to family is totally understandable.
My additional 2 cents, having lived in both places, is that ABQ is an outdoors paradise with a dirt cheap cost of living, fabulously quirky culture, and plenty of rough edges. Houston is a major metropolitan area with virtually no outdoor activity access, entrapped by congested highways, and in the midst of an economic crisis doubly severe because of the effects of oil & gas collapse on top of COVID. If it's a question of outdoor adventures, there's no debate. But it sounds like your priorities are more about family and that makes total sense.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2020, 01:48:25 PM »
It looks like in 2018 it was 780 auto thefts per 100,000 population for about 7,000 total. Anchorage, AK and Bakersfield, CA were actually pretty close behind, also in the 700s. In 2017 Albuquerque had almost 10,000 auto thefts.
I was in Bakersfield last fall for a couple weeks, and that doesn't surprise me at all.  It's... not great.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2020, 01:53:37 PM »
Disclaimer: I'm from the sub arctic land of Alaska and I live there once again by choice. Take that into account when evaluating my judgment of weather...

I lived in Albuquerque for 8 years and went to school just an hour south of there. It took a couple of years, but I came to really love the high desert climate. There isn't enough snow in Albuquerque for my taste, but it was only a short drive to the mountains when i wanted a dose of winter and I have to admit that not owning a snow shovel is nice... My favorite part of living in Albuquerque was the outdoor options. In the in winter I could drive north for snow activities or south for summer activities. In the summer I could easily escape the heat by heading to the mountains on the weekends. The weather in Albuquerque is amazing in the fall. Spring was always windy though and and the dust could get pretty bad. The city is pretty bike friendly and there are a lot of miles of trail to ride. Property crime is a problem, but I found it easy to be Mustachian while living in a nice neighborhood (with house mates) and didn't have problems after i learned to assume someone would take anything that wasn't nailed down.

I've spent only one week in Houston for a business trip. It was October and still hitting 100 during the day with near 100% humidity. Walking anywhere was impossible because way the city is built and traffic was a nightmare. When the company group wanted to go to dinner it took 45 minutes to drive less than a mile. People acted like i was insane when i suggested walking,.. Turns our there were no sidewalks in that part of town...  It would take a massive paycheck to convince me to even consider living there. Like maybe I'd consider it if I were starting from zero and could hit FI in three years.

Also, for what it's worth, Southwest Airlines has cheap direct flights from ABQ to Houston so it wouldn't be that expensive to live in ABQ and visit family regularly.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2020, 02:06:38 PM »
2 more notes:
1. Taxes. Texas has no state income tax but real estate taxes are high at >2% (since you mentioned you'd like to buy a house). NM's highest marginal income tax rate is 4.9% and property taxes are one of the lowest in the country (generally <1%). Are you sure that you'd pay less in taxes in HTX? With the tax differences and difference in COL, I had more money in ABQ.
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Also, for what it's worth, Southwest Airlines has cheap direct flights from ABQ to Houston so it wouldn't be that expensive to live in ABQ and visit family regularly.
  For a while, I worked in HTX and frequently commuted back to my place in ABQ. Given the absurd HTX traffic, I flew to ABQ in the same time that some coworkers got home!

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« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2020, 02:28:32 PM »
  For a while, I worked in HTX and frequently commuted back to my place in ABQ. Given the absurd HTX traffic, I flew to ABQ in the same time that some coworkers got home!

That is truly terrifying traffic.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2020, 02:46:31 PM »
Alternativepriorities- It’s good to here you live in Alaska. Are you from there or did you move there? I currently live in Anchorage. I love the outdoor accessibility, and hate being so far from family. ABQ would be a happy medium of outdoors and wayyy closer to family. Houston being a short drive for family and medium drive for outdoors. Living in Anchorage for a while has changed my perception of wanting to see family more, even if I sacrifice my lust for the outdoors.

And for the money comparison my take home pay would be 2600~ in ABQ vs 3600~ in Houston per pay period. I don’t think my cost of living would be anywhere close to 2000 more a month in Houston.

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« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2020, 04:40:25 PM »
Just realized I should have said something about the airports, in case you travel frequently for work or leisure, or have friends/family fly in.

ABQ is almost like a small town airport -- super easy to get in and out of, short lines if they exist at all, no need to arrive hours and hours in advance, plenty of open space to walk around inside, and I never had trouble finding a place to sit. I've seen signs for airport parking under $3 per day. Of course, I'm sure they don't have as many destinations as the Houston airports, and I have no idea what airport parking costs in Houston. Not sure how HOU compares to ABQ, but of course IAH is massive. Just depends on what destinations you need/want and whether you want "small and efficient" or "a mall that happens to have planes."

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2020, 04:43:41 PM »
Houston and “outdoor activities” do not go hand in hand.

It has some good parts of the city: sports, love events, bars, beach.. but nothing like somewhere like Albuquerque.

That being said - I’m a stickler for pay and in that comparison of wages, I’d likely take Houston.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2020, 09:55:40 PM »
Alternativepriorities- It’s good to here you live in Alaska. Are you from there or did you move there? I currently live in Anchorage. I love the outdoor accessibility, and hate being so far from family. ABQ would be a happy medium of outdoors and wayyy closer to family. Houston being a short drive for family and medium drive for outdoors. Living in Anchorage for a while has changed my perception of wanting to see family more, even if I sacrifice my lust for the outdoors.

And for the money comparison my take home pay would be 2600~ in ABQ vs 3600~ in Houston per pay period. I don’t think my cost of living would be anywhere close to 2000 more a month in Houston.

I grew up in the interior, moved to NM for college and then moved back up here after an epic trip around the world. I came to Anchorage initially, moved out to a bush community for two years and realized it was just as much time and money to get out to see family as it was when I lived in NM so I moved back to the Anchorage area.

Coincidently, I have a friend from Houston, who moved here and then moved back down there for family. I talked to him the other day and he is trying to figure out how to get back to AK. I agree that ABQ would be a good compromise. 24-26k a year would not be enough to convince me to to live in Houston over Albuquerque, but I don't have family in either place. When I lived in Albuquerque I made about one trip a year back to AK.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2020, 07:48:22 AM »
Houston is a hot and steamy.  You'll hide in air-conditioning half the year.  The other half it rains cold and dreary.

New Mexico is beauty and there are places you can live comfortably without air-conditioning or heat.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2020, 09:35:52 AM »
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« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2020, 10:50:13 AM »
Never been to Houston, but I was in Albuquerque for a week a couple years ago and fell in love with it. I liked the gritty but historic little downtown, the trendy breweries, great southwestern food, and the adobe houses. Nob Hill was a really cool neighborhood too. The Rail Runner commuter train was a quick and cheap way to get to Santa Fe and points north, too.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2020, 11:34:47 AM »
OK, I have family in Houston and used to live there as a kid; I also lived in ABQ for several years.  I am not the best to answer, because I would not live in either of the two.  But if I had to choose, it would be ABQ, hands down.  I cannot, cannot tolerate the hot and muggy -- that sense of being stuck inside, just because it's too horrible out to want to do anything.  And being stuck in traffic forever in the parking lots they call freeways in Houston?  My version of hell.  OTOH, I did not like all the flat and brown in ABQ -- grew up east coast, I like trees that are taller than my house and that turn colors and all that -- and I'm not a huge fan of the summers there.  But at least in the summer, it's never so hot that you don't get the cool relief at night, and in the winter, it's never so cold that you don't get the warm sun during the day.  And being able to get to the back side of the mountain, to Madrid, to Taos, to Santa Fe so easily is pretty awesome.  And green chile and sopaipillas -- yum.  I still get my green chiles mailed to me every year, but I cannot re-create the awesome sopaipillas to save my life.  And, finally, those sunsets -- we lived up on the NE side, where the land rose steadily before it hit the foothills, and the sunsets looking out over the whole plain were just outstanding. 

Then again, not sure I like either place enough to justify taking a $2K/mo. paycut.  But in addition to real estate taxes, do doublecheck fees -- IME, TX has no income taxes, but it makes up for a fair bit with ridiculous fees for everything.  I still remember having to register my car there -- was NOT prepared for that hit to the budget!  The reality is that every state has a government, and every state has to pay for that government somehow; the key is to figure out how they do that and see if you can find a place that minimizes the overall hit given your chosen lifestyle.

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Re: Houston vs Albuquerque
« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2020, 11:53:52 PM »
Houston is an armpit during the summer

Let me fix this for you.

 

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