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Fishindude

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Re: High-paying trade jobs are desperate for workers
« Reply #50 on: May 09, 2018, 08:04:21 AM »
Until end of last year I was involved with a mid sized, regional industrial contracting company.   All this talk about the trades being hard on the body is mostly nonsense in this day and age.   We had a very serious wellness plan, no tobacco use on jobsites, drug screening, crews did stretch and flex every morning and after lunch every day, safety is top priority, and most any type of heavy lifting gets done with machinery rather than a strong back.   The trades are much easier and safer than they've ever been, and if you work smart you can put in a full 30-40 year career without damaging your body.   You will also likely be in better shape than the desk jockeys simply due to the fact that you get a fair amount of bending over, walking and climbing in over the course of a day.   You are also out in the fresh air for much of your career, and you frequently work at different locations so it doesn't get so boring like going in to a factory or office does day after day.

We are in a pretty low cost of living area where you can buy pretty decent houses for $60-90,000 all day long.   We started out green kids at $14 / hr and got them up to $20 pretty quick if they followed the plan.  Skilled trades people can easily make $60K annually and many of our supervisors made in excess of $100K.  Many were provided with company trucks also so they weren't wearing out their own.   We also had good insurance and a generous retirement and profit sharing plan.

Now, having said all of the above there is a certain segment of the trades that preys on the uneducated.  Residential and light commercial construction is the pits.   Almost nobody is an employee, they treat them all as subcontractors and pay them by the job or the unit so they don't have to carry workmens comp insurance on them or provide any sort of benefits.   Safety is unheard of on these projects and drug testing is non existent.   You will also have a lot of illegals on these projects doing roofing, drywall, etc.   This is generally the case on any large scale housing development where they are building new neighborhoods.   Stay clear of this work.

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Re: High-paying trade jobs are desperate for workers
« Reply #51 on: May 09, 2018, 08:10:28 AM »
You will also likely be in better shape than the desk jockeys simply due to the fact that you get a fair amount of bending over, walking and climbing in over the course of a day.
Desk jockeys bend over plenty as well...

Source: desk jockey here. ;)

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Re: High-paying trade jobs are desperate for workers
« Reply #52 on: May 09, 2018, 08:24:33 AM »
the key thing here campers is skilled blue collar work.  Those skills may change over time, but the guys&gals who keep at least a little bit current do quite well.  Robotics may displace a bunch of assembly line workers, but the electricians and millwright type guys will get a ton of work fixing the robots.  Its not a thing yet, but someday drone mechanic will probably be a legit job.

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Re: High-paying trade jobs are desperate for workers
« Reply #53 on: May 09, 2018, 08:41:01 AM »
Desk jockeys bend over plenty as well...

Source: desk jockey here. ;)

Bending over is not the same thing as getting bent over.

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Re: High-paying trade jobs are desperate for workers
« Reply #54 on: May 09, 2018, 10:43:01 AM »
From my experience there is a kind of brotherhood in the crafts.  I think if a young guy is in the right company and apprenticed under the right person he (or she) develops the skills they need for life.

Now - Let's take a young engineer hired out of college.  he its thrown behind a desk and stuff is dribbled to him.  I think in many A/E organizations, there is more of a tendency for he (or she) to be just another body to crank out engineering deliverables.

The young craftsman may be taught the right way and the wrong way to do the job.  An eye is developed for the craft.  An appreciation is developed for the work.  Someone takes the time to point out mistakes.  As time goes on this young worker takes on more intricate and difficult work to eventually move up to journeyman and may become a master.

The young engineer is put in his (her) place.  Keep the head down, get the work done and obtain a paycheck.  Work is divided like an assembly line.  The person sees a small portion of the work, but little or no effort is made to expose this person to the big picture, the entirety of the work.  Some of the work is done by H1B people from India.  these folks keep to themselves and certainly do not help the young novice to learn.  The young engineer learns his tiny portion of the job since there is not a "need to know" anything beyond this.

Craftsmen see the drawings, bills of materials and specs produced by the A/E firm.  Some of the older craftsmen note that the product being produced these days by the engineers is not as good as it once was.  It's like it's being "pushed" out the door.  Another comments that today's engineers don't seem to have the experience that the older guys had a few years back.  Luckily, the experience of the craftsmen enable most of the errors and omissions from the A/E company to be corrected.
I'm an engineer, and my experience in my 4 different jobs don't align with your perception of engineering - at all.

- in my first job, we were thrown in (but with lots of oversight...it was nuclear)
- second job, fab work, same thing.  Now, the senior guys would solve all the problems, but they were good at answering questions.  And if you asked them to lay off and let you figure something out yourself, they would.  Likewise, once you figure things out you take on more work.
- third job, by now I'm senior and I'm training.  I train people from the get-go.  My goal here is to bring people up to speed.  I don't want phone calls on the weekend.  I don't want to be the *only* person trusted to do things.  This means by about year 2 my guys are top notch and can a crap ton more money elsewhere.  So, I send them off to do just that.
- fourth job, by now I'm the "go-to" woman and eventually the manager.  I spent massive amounts of time giving the new engineers training, projects, responsibility, and freedom to experiment and learn things on their own.  And the great ones?  Ah, what a sight to see.  There in the fab (like I was), coating, developing, looking at wafers, figuring out how the equipment works, understanding device physics.  Lots of inspection, yield improvement.

From what I can tell, some of the larger companies are more ... hesitant, and slow to give a lot of freedom.  Often they are slow moving companies and risk averse.

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Re: High-paying trade jobs are desperate for workers
« Reply #55 on: May 09, 2018, 10:47:06 AM »
Of course all trade jobs are hurting for workers. Nobody that has worked such jobs dreams that their kids will someday be wrenching on pipes in their 50's, or climbing under a house to work on plumbing, or working roofing in 100F heat, etc etc.  They're hard jobs that are hard on the body and mind. Many require long hours away from family to get the better paying positions. Many are dangerous, and most are generally thought of as more dangerous than sitting in an office typing on a computer. Who wishes that for their kids when they can dream of their kids conquering the business world making great money in a "cushy" job sitting behind a desk in air conditioning?

Since most parents don't want that life for their children, they raise their kids to aspire to 'better' (at best) or to "think they're above such jobs" in other cases.  I'll bill 85+ hours this week, and my feet and back are already sore because I'm "on-site" and doing stuff for a client that involves walking around most of the day (not my normal job). Still, I'm not one of the electricians or millwrights or I&C techs or scaffold builders etc that are doing the real work here, and it's hard on my body and mind at 41. I honestly feel bad for the guys I see that are clearly in their 50's+ who are doing those much more physically demanding jobs out there in the almost 90F temps.

Those jobs aren't even in the "backup plans" for many (most?) teenagers or people in their twenties, much less for older people.

ESPECIALLY when you consider the way of the pension.  Much/ many/ most of my family is blue collar.  My brother finally moved into working at a prison.  Less physically demanding.  My dad was an auto mechanic and found it a bit difficult to work after 55.  Difficult to get hired then too.  My BIL worked in construction, but his body was wrecked by 50.  He's still suffering from back and shoulder issues a decade later.  Luckily, he has a pension.  It's not large but with my sister working, they get by.  Good luck starting out now, and being one of those injured and un-hireable people in your 50s in 30 years.  Then what?  How do you live?  Can't collect SS, are you eligible for disability?  Who wants to hire you?

 

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