Author Topic: Help me NOT buy a new car, please (Australia, baby on way, safety and space)  (Read 4519 times)

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Friends - I'm trying to convince myself that I Do Not Need a New Car, and what would really help me is a bunch of people reinforcing that this is the case.

Current car is a very reliable, low kilometre four door Nissan Micra (smallest hatchback available). It has a three star safety rating. It has been a fantastic car for the six years I've owned it after buying it second-hand. We're a one-car household. It is extremely fuel efficient.

Possible future car would be a late model slightly larger hatchback - probably a Mazda 3 or Toyota Corolla - with a five star safety rating and much more space for humans and, crucially, bootspace. These cars are still fairly small and fuel efficient. This description of our possible future car is true whether we buy a new car now (which I need you all to tell me not to do, please!) or wait until it becomes a more pressing issue.

I am thinking about buying a new car now because of safety concerns (largely driven by emotion, not logic) and bootspace / space in general. We have our first baby cooking, due May next year, and I am having a very emotional urge to make sure the car will be as safe as humanly possible. Additionally, our boot is so small that we can't fit a collapsed pram in it! Which will be quite annoying when we have a baby seat in the back and heaps of crap that people seem to need to take everywhere with said baby.

Arguments I am using to convince myself not to blow a heap of money on a new car when my current car is fine:
Safety is an illusion. The safest choice I can make is to minimise the amount of time my baby spends in a car, period. Plus the difference between a three star safety rated car and a five star safety rated car is infinitesimally small compared to the advances in safety just in the last twenty years, right? My 2008 model car with its three star safety rating is at least a HUNDRED times safer than the cars I was driven around in as a baby almost three decades ago, right? My parents' generation didn't even have seatbelts! My FIL was injured as a child because his car door FELL OPEN and there was no such thing as a seatbelt or child seat so he FELL OUT OF THE CAR ONTO THE ROAD AND HIT HIS HEAD. My three star safety rated car is a thousand times safer than that, right? Maybe even a million times? A gazillion?!
Maybe the tight fit won't be so bad. We can collapse one of the back passenger seats to make room for the pram. And maybe we won't need to bring the pram everywhere anyway? Baby won't actually get driven around *that* much for at least the first year while a parent is home with him. And if it really does suck...
We can always buy the new car if using our current tiny car really does suck. Let's say that the current car really is so annoying to load up with baby paraphernalia that it makes us crazy. We could THEN make an informed decision that yes, it really is worth buying a new car, and do it then.
In another few years we might need/want two cars anyway, and we'd be sorry we traded in or sold our current car. It's possible that within the next fiveish years with two working parents and as many as two or three small kids we'll end up deciding it's worth having two cars. In which case, I'd be gutted that we'd got rid of our beloved little hatchback when we "traded up". Whereas if we just wait and see, it could be that by the time we actually decide we 'need' the bigger hatchback, we'll be in a better position to know whether one or two cars is more realistic for our household.
It's better not to spend this money right now when we're about to decrease our incomes and increase our expenditure. We don't know yet exactly how much the baby will cost to maintain and run feed and stuff. We can definitely easily afford a new car, but we might regret adding the liability / cost if our savings rate isn't as high as we want it to be once we've made this MASSIVE upcoming lifestyle change.

Discussed all of this with my husband (of course) and he agrees with all my arguments and would rather wait to see if we definitely need a bigger car in another year... or five, but he is also faced with an emotional, pregnant wife so would basically do whatever I wanted to do at this point in time. Which is why I need your support in NOT buying a car :-)

What I am asking of you, wonderful Mustachians:
Please reinforce the logic of my arguments AGAINST buying a new car, outlined above. Share your anecdata (or heck, even actual facts!). Help me stay strong.

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I'm sure there's a guy who goes through just what a car needs to be safe, but I can't remember his website.

Other than that - I'd wait & see, in case you personally don't need as much space as others seem to. We bought our current car with babies in mind, but we were already going to buy a new car so it was a question of which car, not if we would get one. A sibling to baby1 may mean you'll have to upgrade for space, but that is in the future not a right-now concern.

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FWIW you can always stick the pram/stroller on the other side of the back seat in your current Micra, no need for boot space.  If that doesn't work for you then get a car one size up, your two choices are fine, for me I'd be looking at a Subaru Impreza, just for the added all wheel drive ability, but that's just me and how I drive.

Having gone through the process of Kid #1 in a 2012 BMW 335i (car was ordered before we were pregnant in a DINK's moment and not TTC) and struggling with boot space (have a pram but no shopping, have shopping but no pram) we moved to a 2015 Subaru Outback (pram and shopping - sweet) in time for kid #2 which means we have enough back seat space for both a capsule and a kids seat as well as a skinny adult to fit in between if needs be.

Safety wasn't an issue for us, space was.  Cash be damned, we got what we needed space wise in the Outback and it has the extra benefit of Eyesight technology that makes driving "safer".


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Sorry, can't help. I tried not to buy a new car after DS was born. I had Toyota Echo hatchback back that time. 6 months later I gave in and bought Honda Jazz. It has HEAPS of room in the boot. I regularly use it to haul the middle sized furniture around.

But our neighbourhood was not walkable so car was a must for anything.

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I'm sure there's a guy who goes through just what a car needs to be safe, but I can't remember his website.

Other than that - I'd wait & see, in case you personally don't need as much space as others seem to. We bought our current car with babies in mind, but we were already going to buy a new car so it was a question of which car, not if we would get one. A sibling to baby1 may mean you'll have to upgrade for space, but that is in the future not a right-now concern.

Annoyingly I bought my car a MONTH before I met Mr H! I was Very Single and thought I was looking forward to another five+ years of being a free agent before I'd meet someone I wanted to settle down with. If only I'd bought it a month AFTER I met him, I would definitely have bought the next model up - the Tiida, which is just that bit bigger and five star safety rated. Bummer.

FWIW you can always stick the pram/stroller on the other side of the back seat in your current Micra, no need for boot space.  If that doesn't work for you then get a car one size up, your two choices are fine, for me I'd be looking at a Subaru Impreza, just for the added all wheel drive ability, but that's just me and how I drive.

Having gone through the process of Kid #1 in a 2012 BMW 335i (car was ordered before we were pregnant in a DINK's moment and not TTC) and struggling with boot space (have a pram but no shopping, have shopping but no pram) we moved to a 2015 Subaru Outback (pram and shopping - sweet) in time for kid #2 which means we have enough back seat space for both a capsule and a kids seat as well as a skinny adult to fit in between if needs be.

Safety wasn't an issue for us, space was.  Cash be damned, we got what we needed space wise in the Outback and it has the extra benefit of Eyesight technology that makes driving "safer".

We only drive in the city - we would deserve one gazillion facepunches if we bought an all wheel drive for driving only within the Perth metropolitan area!

Sorry, can't help. I tried not to buy a new car after DS was born. I had Toyota Echo hatchback back that time. 6 months later I gave in and bought Honda Jazz. It has HEAPS of room in the boot. I regularly use it to haul the middle sized furniture around.

But our neighbourhood was not walkable so car was a must for anything.

See, I'll be okay with that outcome if I TRY to make it work with the micra and then end up having to upgrade to a slightly larger hatchback. At least I'll know that I tried and responded to reality instead of my irrational fear :-)

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How often do you drive?

We have a toyota corolla hatch which has been a brilliant car. We don't drive it often, just if I work on the weekends, to do groceries once a week and if we go to the beach or away for a holiday. All but the holiday trips are very short and I won't be taking the baby to work. I'm not exactly sure how the car goes in safety ratings but for how little we drive and how much of that driving is in 50km/h zones, I'm sure it is ok.

One of my colleagues had the same model corolla as we have and about a month before she was due upgraded to a huge SUV in a panic because her pram wouldn't fit. I might be completely naive or perhaps stupid but my current plan is to wait until after the baby arrives and decide if and what kind of pram to get then. If we were thinking of changing car I'd take the same 'wait and see' approach.

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We only drive in the city - we would deserve one gazillion facepunches if we bought an all wheel drive for driving only within the Perth metropolitan area!

Please don't make the mistake of confusing All Wheel Drive with 4 Wheel Drive.  Face punches abound for those with 4WD's in cities.

It's a handling thing, i.e. on slippery greasy roads a AWD car shits all over a front or rear wheel drive car.

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So, enlighten me. What exactly IS the difference?

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So, enlighten me. What exactly IS the difference?
Here's one prepared earlier.

http://www.subaru.com.au/car-advice/awd-vs-4wd

Edit: they also cover AWD vs RWD, http://www.subaru.com.au/car-advice/awd-vs-rwd
« Last Edit: December 01, 2016, 09:01:14 PM by GT »

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You'd be happier if you tried the current car with the baby and had a problem, so moved up at that stage. Remember that they always suggest having a need BEFORE buying, rather than buying before the need is actually there.

I understand where you are with safety. However, I had a pretty small car, with a lower rating than yours (gosh, it was a 199x model, so it was a lot less safe), and a double decker express bus from Melbourne to Sydney ran into the back of it, and biffed it to the other side of the intersection, and I was OK (apart from whiplash because the seat collapsed, but the car didn't even have a 1 star rating - it was the lowest rated car for its year - and I'm sure your seat wouldn't collapse - it has 3 stars).

You also won't really need a car while you are on maternity leave (if pinch comes to shove, you could call a taxi, so you have other options). I would wait until you have a feel for how much you will actually want to transport in it before moving to another car. That way, you know exactly what your requirements are, and will be able to find the perfect car (if necessary).

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I would suggest waiting. You can buy a car easily enough if the need becomes apparent. I have friends that have a similar sized car and a new baby.

It's a tight fit but it works just fine. They even manage to fit a somewhat large dog in there.


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We only drive in the city - we would deserve one gazillion facepunches if we bought an all wheel drive for driving only within the Perth metropolitan area!

Please don't make the mistake of confusing All Wheel Drive with 4 Wheel Drive.  Face punches abound for those with 4WD's in cities.

It's a handling thing, i.e. on slippery greasy roads a AWD car shits all over a front or rear wheel drive car.

Is this something I realistically need to be worried about in suburbia / for urban driving? I can't say I've ever encountered slippery greasy roads, thank god!!

How often do you drive?

We have a toyota corolla hatch which has been a brilliant car. We don't drive it often, just if I work on the weekends, to do groceries once a week and if we go to the beach or away for a holiday. All but the holiday trips are very short and I won't be taking the baby to work. I'm not exactly sure how the car goes in safety ratings but for how little we drive and how much of that driving is in 50km/h zones, I'm sure it is ok.

One of my colleagues had the same model corolla as we have and about a month before she was due upgraded to a huge SUV in a panic because her pram wouldn't fit. I might be completely naive or perhaps stupid but my current plan is to wait until after the baby arrives and decide if and what kind of pram to get then. If we were thinking of changing car I'd take the same 'wait and see' approach.

Few times a week. We both get PT to work, but we drive at least a couple of times on the weekend.

I love corollas. You picked a good car :-) FWIW I learnt to drive in a corolla (among other cars) and the driving instructor would often brag of being able to load it up with his kids' strollers, shopping etc.

I would suggest waiting. You can buy a car easily enough if the need becomes apparent. I have friends that have a similar sized car and a new baby.

It's a tight fit but it works just fine. They even manage to fit a somewhat large dog in there.

Thank you. This is exactly the kind of confirmation bias / peer pressure I need :-) we can *always* buy another car later if we need to. We lose nothing by delaying.

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You'd be happier if you tried the current car with the baby and had a problem, so moved up at that stage. Remember that they always suggest having a need BEFORE buying, rather than buying before the need is actually there.

I understand where you are with safety. However, I had a pretty small car, with a lower rating than yours (gosh, it was a 199x model, so it was a lot less safe), and a double decker express bus from Melbourne to Sydney ran into the back of it, and biffed it to the other side of the intersection, and I was OK (apart from whiplash because the seat collapsed, but the car didn't even have a 1 star rating - it was the lowest rated car for its year - and I'm sure your seat wouldn't collapse - it has 3 stars).

You also won't really need a car while you are on maternity leave (if pinch comes to shove, you could call a taxi, so you have other options). I would wait until you have a feel for how much you will actually want to transport in it before moving to another car. That way, you know exactly what your requirements are, and will be able to find the perfect car (if necessary).

Massive YIKES at that accident!

Whichever of us is home with the baby at any given time will have the car. We both get public transport to work at this point. So that part doesn't worry me at all.

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I don't know how it is in Australia, but in the US right around 2008-2009, side curtain airbags and electronic stability control became standard. Those are the two safely features that really make a big difference and you want to have.

That said our cars are older and one has neither (doesn't even have antilock brakes!) and we haven't rushed out to buy a new one. Our son came home from hospital in that car and lived to see today :)

I found as a new mom, I wouldn't have been able to cope with not fitting a stroller. But if you can put it in the back seat, you are probably fine. Then the shopping can go in the trunk.


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We only drive in the city - we would deserve one gazillion facepunches if we bought an all wheel drive for driving only within the Perth metropolitan area!

Please don't make the mistake of confusing All Wheel Drive with 4 Wheel Drive.  Face punches abound for those with 4WD's in cities.

It's a handling thing, i.e. on slippery greasy roads a AWD car shits all over a front or rear wheel drive car.

Is this something I realistically need to be worried about in suburbia / for urban driving? I can't say I've ever encountered slippery greasy roads, thank god!!

I've found it more useful in urban driving than country driving.  Combo of more cars on roads, more oil dripped onto roads, tighter corners, roundabouts, long time between rain, one storm and the roads turn to shit.

Country driving I like it because if you do turn onto a dirt road you've got the extra traction.

Your mileage may vary in the perceived benefit vs actual ;)

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What is the cause of the difference in the safety rating?

A good part if it might just something like how much it will hurt a pedestrian if they're silly enough to land on your bonnet.


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I don't know how it is in Australia, but in the US right around 2008-2009, side curtain airbags and electronic stability control became standard. Those are the two safely features that really make a big difference and you want to have.

That said our cars are older and one has neither (doesn't even have antilock brakes!) and we haven't rushed out to buy a new one. Our son came home from hospital in that car and lived to see today :)

I found as a new mom, I wouldn't have been able to cope with not fitting a stroller. But if you can put it in the back seat, you are probably fine. Then the shopping can go in the trunk.

Same here! My current car does not have side airbags or ESC.

A pram will only fit if we collapse one of the back seats (the side that won't have the baby seat) and have it on that collapsed seat AND taking up ~half the bootspace too. So we could fit ourselves, baby in baby seat, and pram; but groceries would require not having the pram in the car.

We only drive in the city - we would deserve one gazillion facepunches if we bought an all wheel drive for driving only within the Perth metropolitan area!

Please don't make the mistake of confusing All Wheel Drive with 4 Wheel Drive.  Face punches abound for those with 4WD's in cities.

It's a handling thing, i.e. on slippery greasy roads a AWD car shits all over a front or rear wheel drive car.

Is this something I realistically need to be worried about in suburbia / for urban driving? I can't say I've ever encountered slippery greasy roads, thank god!!

I've found it more useful in urban driving than country driving.  Combo of more cars on roads, more oil dripped onto roads, tighter corners, roundabouts, long time between rain, one storm and the roads turn to shit.

Country driving I like it because if you do turn onto a dirt road you've got the extra traction.

Your mileage may vary in the perceived benefit vs actual ;)

I think I'm just going to chalk this up as a problem I do not have. And thus, no need to buy a solution.

What is the cause of the difference in the safety rating?

A good part if it might just something like how much it will hurt a pedestrian if they're silly enough to land on your bonnet.

If a pedestrian hits my bonnet that sounds like *I* will have done something stupid as a driver!

The key differences I can find seem to be side curtain airbags and ESC (MayDay was on the money), and seat belt reminders (meh - if you don't put your seatbelt on that's your own problem).

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We only drive in the city - we would deserve one gazillion facepunches if we bought an all wheel drive for driving only within the Perth metropolitan area!

Please don't make the mistake of confusing All Wheel Drive with 4 Wheel Drive.  Face punches abound for those with 4WD's in cities.

It's a handling thing, i.e. on slippery greasy roads a AWD car shits all over a front or rear wheel drive car.

Is this something I realistically need to be worried about in suburbia / for urban driving? I can't say I've ever encountered slippery greasy roads, thank god!!

I've found it more useful in urban driving than country driving.  Combo of more cars on roads, more oil dripped onto roads, tighter corners, roundabouts, long time between rain, one storm and the roads turn to shit.

Country driving I like it because if you do turn onto a dirt road you've got the extra traction.

Your mileage may vary in the perceived benefit vs actual ;)

I think I'm just going to chalk this up as a problem I do not have. And thus, no need to buy a solution.

Woohoo, so I've been successful in talking you out of buying a car!

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Woohoo, so I've been successful in talking you out of buying a car!

Sure, let's go with that :-P

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I have ESC and the warning light (to say it's in use) has flashed on two, maybe three, times I've been driving it, and only because I was having a hoony wheel spin kind of a moment. Which you won't be doing with a baby in the car.

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I have ESC and the warning light (to say it's in use) has flashed on two, maybe three, times I've been driving it, and only because I was having a hoony wheel spin kind of a moment. Which you won't be doing with a baby in the car.

We drive like grandmas, so that's good to know.

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For anyone who's interested in what we've decided:

We will wait until after the baby is born and see just how awful the space issue is.

If it is unmanageable and/or if I'm struggling too much with safety concerns, we will buy at that point.

I've been showing my husband a lot of second-hand Mazda 3 options so that he can get an understanding of what my preference would be and the sorts of prices we'd be looking at. His initial preference was to buy new (neither of us has ever bought a new car!) but I think seeing how cheap a two year old model with 50,000km on the odometer is has swayed him.

 

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