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Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« on: November 13, 2014, 07:25:22 PM »
I'm starting with Spanish tonight with the goal of becoming conversationally fluent in 8-12 weeks with this site and some other tools measuring which ones work best for me. 


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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2014, 08:04:12 PM »
I've been on it for a few months at a rate of a few lessons a week. It's cool, and I can see that I'm improving, but I haven't used it in a real context yet, so I'm not sure how useful it will be. I know my reading comprehension of Spanish has skyrocketed. Good luck with doing it in 8-12 weeks though, it's going to be hard.

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2014, 02:10:31 AM »
I did it for a bit over a year before spending a month in Mexico/Guatemala and it served its purpose really well. There was obviously still some issues (especially given I had no one to practice with in Australia) but I managed to serve as de facto translator for my fiancé and some friends pretty well I must say.

If I could recommend anything, it would be to use the articles on the site and also expand your exposure after a few months of study by listening to some podcasts on a slow speed and maybe watch a few movies from your planned destination. Spanish has quite a lot of regional variation so google around that to avoid embarrassing yourself. It's something I didn't do nearly enough of before the trip and I think it really would have helped.

The Wikipedia page on Spanish profanity is quite useful too.

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2014, 05:53:53 AM »
8-12 weeks? If you pull that off please post your process. I would be interested in how you did it. I have been using duolingo to try to learn French. I am getting vocab words down but do not think I am making to much headway in really learning the language. I need to start incorporating more tools. I am open for suggestions. Im dyslexic so learning a new language is a little different for me.

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2014, 08:16:06 PM »
I like Duolingo quite a lot, and different members of the household here, plus a number of students and faculty at my university, have had good experiences with several different languages.

However, it isn't ideal for achieving /conversational/ fluency - it's oriented more to translation skills, and it's best targeted for that purpose.  It's also worth knowing that its system relies on implicit grammar instruction, which will work better for some people than others and, for trickier or less common issues, its algorithms can under-sample relative to what would be needed for users to get a feel for the underlying grammatical pattern.  This matters more for some languages than others, but it's usually possible to speed things up by consulting one of the many free explicit grammar references online.  For drilling common grammar, Duolingo is one of the best things out there.

Other things we've used to supplement Duolingo are:

Memrise, for vocabulary drilling - heaps of user-generated vocabulary lists, often in specialised topics as well as the standard intro stuff.  The lists vary in quality - as all user generated content does - but it's free and there's lots to choose from.  Duolingo caps out at 1500-2000 words for each language - Memrise covers far more (and you can create your own stacks if needed).

Babbel - this isn't free beyond a basic trial, but it's not terribly expensive either.  It's more explicit in its approach than Duolingo, which means there's less need to supplement with other grammars.  I don't think its drilling system is as good as Duolingo's for purposes of implicit learning of grammatical patterns, but it does offer more extended, contextual exchanges and will let you hear lots of different voices and accents, rather than Duolingo's one computer voice.  I suspect the variation in voices would be more helpful for preparing you for everyday listening in a wider range of contexts.  My son 11 years old) quickly found Duolingo too difficult, and prefers Babbel.  I personally prefer Duolingo, but Babbel offers more advanced content than Duolingo does, at least in the language I've been working on, and so it's given me a way to move beyond Duolingo.  I don't know if I would have paid the fee just for this purpose, since there are lots of other tools available, but since it's helping my son, and the subscription unlocks everything, I've been using it to top up.

I can't recommend specific resources for Spanish, as that's not a language we're working on in the household, but I'd also recommend scoping out online radio programs, YouTube channels, and similar resources in your target language.  These are great for training the ear.  In the language I'm trying to learn, there's a service that does slowed-down newscasts, some great systematic audio language lessons available for free, and an enormous amount of YouTube content freely available.  There are also newspapers and other materials available for free online - a browser tool like readlang can be really handy for this - it links to a dictionary in the backend, and lets you click on words you don't recognise to get an immediate translation; then it stores the words you clicked on and makes index cards so you can review them later so that you recognise them next time.

Given your timeline, you might also want to pair up with someone online and swap conversation practice in their native language, with conversation in yours.  You can do paid online lessons with experienced language teachers through a variety of services but, unless you need some sort of formal accreditation for your study, doing this for free through an exchange with someone else is usually fine.

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2014, 08:30:04 PM »
Not sure about Duolingo, but my son used Rosetta Stone to learn Spanish.

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2014, 10:47:17 PM »
Day 1 (11/13/14) - spent one hour on duolingo and a few other sites working on vocabulary and conjugation, etc

Day 2 - starting now

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2014, 06:14:36 AM »
BBC has a robust video series:  Mi Vida Loca.
It's free, with plenty of opportunities for practice.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/spanish/mividaloca/



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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2014, 09:59:05 AM »
I have been using it for italian. Compared to other methods I think it is great for becoming better at creating phrases on your own. You have to combine with some more traditional methods like learning verb conjugations, in my experience, but it has been fantastic for helping me be able to actually use my italian in terms of talking to real people in random situations.

For Spanish, learner.org has the whole Destinos video series on their website too.

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2014, 08:59:40 PM »
Some ideas...

For languages generally...
Benny Lewis and Fluent in 3 months.
http://www.fluentin3months.com/start-here/


For Spanish

http://www.worldwordexchange.com/worldwordexchange_blog/index.php/60-insanely-useful-resources-to-get-you-learning-reading-writing-and-speaking-spanish-right-now/#.VGwTBWdRco9

My Portuguese is coming along well.  I'm using DuoLingo, Mango (www.findmango.com), YouTube clips (I'm liking talent shows The Voice - Brasil), and FaceBook for solo study.  I'm trying to get as much practice with native speakers as I can.  I'm focusing on how to identify and work up the nerve to approach native speakers.  Wish me luck.  I'm wishing you luck in your Spanish journey.

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2014, 09:04:13 PM »
Thanks, need to check some of these out!

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2014, 08:13:29 AM »
As a gamer I loved the notion of making learning a game. I used Duolingo for a while to brush up on my Spanish, then real life got in the way and I fell out of the habit. Had they improved on the game aspect some I think they would have done a better job of keeping me hooked. It's not so much a game as a series of 20 question pass/fails, and that just got stale after a while.

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2015, 10:33:09 AM »
I'm starting with Spanish tonight with the goal of becoming conversationally fluent in 8-12 weeks with this site and some other tools measuring which ones work best for me.

Curious how your did?  Your 12 weeks are up.

I started duolingo Spanish about 2.5 weeks ago and love it.  My 7 year old son has gotten into it as well and we play (learn) on the tablet together for about 1/2 hour per day with a goal of 1 hour soon.

I use it on tab, phone and computer.  The platforms are all a bit different with the computer being more robust. 

I'm not an expert by any means but if one is interested in a foreign language this is a highly rated fun tool to use. (Duolingo that is)

Like you I started out with a 12 week goal of finishing the tree but I now see that reviewing is taking up the majority of my time (and I spend at least 1 hour per day) so that realistically to master all the sessions and be at 100% on all the tests I'm probably looking at 6 months or more.

That said,  I do see that watching Spanish TV,  reading Spanish books and speaking with actual Spanish people will be required in a month or so in order to really learn.  But damn,  for vocabulary and pronunciation this is a great tool!

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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2015, 08:41:46 AM »
Kepler- thank you for the memrise suggestion!  I just discovered that site, and it's full of Spanish courses and vocab! Wow, how did I not know about this?  I'm must getting into Duolingo (level 7, and now at slow and steady speed), but have bookmarked this site for when I want to switch programs or look for something more.

Anyone out there I can friend on Duolingo?  None of my real life friends and family are active on it at this point :(

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2015, 10:52:23 AM »
Kepler- thank you for the memrise suggestion!  I just discovered that site, and it's full of Spanish courses and vocab! Wow, how did I not know about this?  I'm must getting into Duolingo (level 7, and now at slow and steady speed), but have bookmarked this site for when I want to switch programs or look for something more.

Anyone out there I can friend on Duolingo?  None of my real life friends and family are active on it at this point :(

Uso duolingo para aprender espanol. Si quieres un amigo, mi nombre es Sidney93544. Buena suerte y tienes divertido!


*Necisito mucho mas practicar. Lo siento por los errores.

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2015, 07:08:43 AM »
Also, language learners can try Mango, free online through my public library. Maybe yours too?
But supplement any of these things with movies, podcasts, radio . . . And eventually just diving in to local chats on your travels.

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2015, 07:43:16 AM »
I like duolingo. I used it a long time ago for spanish and I recently started it back up again.  It is actually much, much better now than it used to be especially in clarifying tenses.  I agree it is much better for learning to read and write, not speak a new language, but it is still a fun way to learn a new skill. 

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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2015, 07:56:24 AM »
Duolingo is great for helping you get to the point where you don't have to think so much about the rules and being just able to have phrases you need to say come to you. It also helped me a lot in understanding others speaking to me.

I would supplement with more traditional grammar and language books, just because it is helpful to know all of the rules themselves, too, when you are trying to create new phrases and figure out how to say something new.

Just realized this thread is old, but I'll reply anyways! :)

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2015, 01:50:55 PM »
I was initially very excited about the duolingo Spanish program.   I did it primarily on a tablet.   There is not much explanation on the tabs of phones so I would suggest using a PC.

I have tired of it for now and hope to restart.

One thing to consider is "slownews."   It is a paid service where I believe you get each days news read very slowly.   I tried the demo and really liked it.   Watch nothing but Spanish TV and listen to nothing but Spanish radio.    I think tuning the ear is a pretty big deal.   

I'll be getting back to my duolingo in a few weeks with my realistic goal of being able to understand other pretty well within 2 years and conversationally competent in 5-10 years.   Just in time to head south each winter.

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2015, 08:01:46 PM »
Yes.  Love it for french. I do several things to immerse. Duo lingo.   Paul noble  or Michel Thomas audio in the car.  Watch french movies.  Listen to french audio books.  Start with fairy tales or kids books if needed.  Helps me prep for visits with the in-laws.

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2015, 03:17:53 AM »
http://ankisrs.net/ is a great way to learn a large number of words.  It uses spaced repetition, which I've found extremely useful for long-term memorization.

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2015, 06:07:24 AM »
I am a Spanish and Mandarin teacher, so I thought I would chime in.

If you are interesting in learning Spanish, I also recommend:

Señor Wooly: www.senorwooly.com

It has many catchy songs and exercises to go along with them. I use them all the time in my Spanish classes!

For Mandarin, a combo would be:

ChinesePod- www.chinesepod.com

Skritter for learning to read and write characters (a MUST) - www.skritter.com

And some YouTube channels for good measure : MandarinmadeEZ by Fiona Tian   and LearnChineseNow by Ben Hedges

¡Buena suerte a todos!  加油!

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2015, 06:50:08 AM »
Peppa Pig en français on Youtube. Oink, oink..

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2015, 07:32:36 PM »
I'm working on my Italian and the most useful things for me in order (and mustachian to boot) are:
-Replacing my voluntary media in English with media in Italian (streaming dubbed movies, books via Amazon prime/ebay/library, radio via tunein radio app and podcasts)
-Skype language exchange with native speakers found through italki or similar sites (typically 1/2hr in English then 1/2hr in Italian or vice versa)
-Pimsleur (used or library)
-Anki (free desktop version), Memrise, Nemo Italian, grammar books and Duolingo

During a normal day, I'll listen to an hour of radio on the treadmill, read about that much before bed and listen to movie while doing some busy work for my business.  Switching that ~4 hours/day of media from English to Italian has made a huge difference for me. 

I know folks love duolingo but personally, it's my least favorite of the bunch due to the build-a-block audio.  I've found that it messes with my ear for the target language.  But, I'm very bad at giving up so I'll probably stick with it until I finish my tree by sheer stubbornness if nothing else.

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Re: Have you used duolingo to learn a language?
« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2015, 09:52:27 PM »
One free way to supplement language learning is getting religion. 
Religions in general are trying to teach, they want to be understood, some want to convert you. 
There are local church services in my target language.
There is music, ritual, repetition.  There is a written program.  There is call and response.  There is a typical, expected topic. Churches often have audiences speaking slower than conversational pace for… profession of faith, or such. Congregations are often welcoming, if a bit puzzled on why you came.
I’ve been going to a Catholic church service in Portuguese.  Twice so far.  I already understand more of the service and the sermon especially than I did last week.  I plan to return until I understand enough of the language that the doctrine offends me.  Meanwhile, each service is a mini language intensive.

Tons of religious material online. 
Jehovah’s Witnesses have their magazines in 20 or more languages, audio and print.  You can read the same article in english and your target language.  They have audio too, so you can read and listen at the same time.  They have 2.5 minute videos for kids in all the languages.  (Some of the content is subtly offensive - like telling children they’ll die if they don’t pay attention in church.  Proceed at your own risk.) jw.org

Christian Scientists…
http://christianscience.com/languages
Mormans
https://www.lds.org/languages?lang=eng

 

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