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Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« on: November 06, 2016, 06:08:37 AM »
I am in the position now where, with a little bit of extra work, I could earn myself a promotion.  This may be my best opportunity to move up since my workplace currently has a lot of openings at the level I would be going for.  The thing is, I'm pretty happy with my level of responsibility and pay right now.  I also really like the people with which I currently work.  The new position would add a slightly higher level of stress and responsibility (really not much at all), a change in the people I work with, and about a 15% pay increase.

I am only considering the promotion because of the pay increase, and because I am being encouraged to go for it by many of my coworkers.  Also, it could shorten my working years a bit in the long run.  Have you ever passed up a promotion?  I feel a bit guilty for some reason, like I'm not challenging myself or am letting somebody down, I just am not sure who.  Not sure what I'm going to do yet.  Obviously, this is my decision to make, alone, but I'm looking for someone with a similar experience to share.

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2016, 06:30:38 AM »
Yes, because I have downshifted my career as I slide into FIRE.  The latest one would. Ean more hours and stress for 10% bump and it just wasn't worth it. 

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2016, 07:09:07 AM »
Every two years both my wife and I are given the opportunity to take a test for promotion. We are smart and have no doubt that we would do great on the test but we have no desire to promote. A 10,000 or so raise means nothing to us when we already make too much money and love our jobs. The promotion would take us away from our specialty and likely decrease our job satisfaction.

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2016, 08:40:21 AM »
Every two years both my wife and I are given the opportunity to take a test for promotion. We are smart and have no doubt that we would do great on the test but we have no desire to promote. A 10,000 or so raise means nothing to us when we already make too much money and love our jobs. The promotion would take us away from our specialty and likely decrease our job satisfaction.

Any implications if you take the test and intentionally bomb it?  Might be fun...:)

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2016, 08:59:27 AM »
I have been encouraged a few times from administrators to leave the classroom and go into administration. It would be a significant pay bump and would allow me to get a pension at 55 that would be the same as if I taught until 63. We have young kids though and as tempting as it would be for the money, I value the time with my family more. Maybe when they are older but for now time with family >money.

Check out this thread. I think it has relevance to this topic. http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/mustachianism-around-the-web/how-understanding-the-marginal-utility-of-money-will-make-you-happier/

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2016, 09:55:21 AM »
Yep, the added stress (of managing people) and extra working time required for the promotion were not worth it for me. I've still gotten pay increases by doing work no one else wants to do.

If you're looking at 15% pay bump with nominal added stress/responsibility, that sounds like a great opportunity if you think you'd enjoy your new coworkers and want to try a change. Good luck!

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2016, 10:42:27 AM »
I accepted about 10 promotions over my life time but I did turn one down many years ago.  It was a very technical job in Finance and I did not think I was qualified.  If you feel you are some what qualified for the job and like people you should take it.  If you are young or even middle age you can learn a lot about yourself even if it does not work out.

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2016, 12:22:01 PM »
Yes. The small amount of added pay would not be worth the the added responsibility or stress. 

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2016, 12:37:01 PM »
I have been encouraged a few times from administrators to leave the classroom and go into administration. It would be a significant pay bump and would allow me to get a pension at 55 that would be the same as if I taught until 63. We have young kids though and as tempting as it would be for the money, I value the time with my family more. Maybe when they are older but for now time with family >money.

I had an administrator try and talk me into making the move.  No thank you.  The pay increase would only be about $12,000 a year and I'd have to work most of the longer breaks during the school year as well as most of the summer.  When you add in teacher and staff evaluations, student discipline, district mandates, managing the building/grounds, etc. it's too much.  Most importantly I'm a teacher.  My talents are best served working with students and my peers.  That's what brings me joy, happiness, and fulfillment.

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2016, 01:35:42 PM »
Every two years both my wife and I are given the opportunity to take a test for promotion. We are smart and have no doubt that we would do great on the test but we have no desire to promote. A 10,000 or so raise means nothing to us when we already make too much money and love our jobs. The promotion would take us away from our specialty and likely decrease our job satisfaction.

Any implications if you take the test and intentionally bomb it?  Might be fun...:)

We have thought about it for sure! 2 years ago we were out of state and this year we were busy. Get back to me in 2 years!

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2016, 01:38:41 PM »
Yes and never did I regret that decision. It required me to move to the other end of the state and I did not like the town.

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2016, 02:06:16 PM »
About 2x in the past 4 yrs or so.  1 time i wasn't sure but it was pretty unofficial.

All the times it required managing people (I hate), and travel (I hate).  Pay would have been of course better but honestly the flexibility I have right now even 30k more it would be tough for me to leave my current spot, no the promotion did not pay over 30k what i'm making now.

6-7 more years and we'll be FIRE... i'll just coast it out at my current job (ZERO stress, and amazing work/life balance)... we'll take it from there.  I'm in a good spot.

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2016, 05:25:33 PM »
Was offered a promotion after I got my MPH several years ago.  It would have entailed moving to a place I didn't want to to to & my wife's career was taking off so I said not.  No regrets.

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2016, 06:18:39 PM »
I turned down the offer to go into management. No thanks.

Previously I awkwardly got a promotion from the same manager before I had properly settled into the team as "Team Leader", which is not managerial, but technical (no signing authority or reports, but as close as can be without becoming a manager).  I found out as it was announced to the whole team with the VP present so there was no nice way to shoot the thing down.  It made things uncomfortable and has been an issue in my head for a while.

Figure out your career desires before getting cornered.  I explained my reasons for not wanting to be a manager in blunt terms and the denial has been honored so far.

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2016, 06:25:44 PM »
I did and I actually somewhat regret the decision.  My friend ended up taking the job and has gotten 2 promotions SINCE.  Definitely more work but the pay increase would have been rather large (somewhere north of 20% even for the first of the bumps).

At any rate...I'm about to start negotiations on a new job that should come with different/more responsibilities and definitely more money so it's a timely topic ;).  I'm only 31 (32 in 3 weeks) so I'm leaning towards a yes either way.  If for some reason it doesn't quite work out...well, I'll try again and hopefully FI/RE around 40-42 anyway.

Cheers and good luck with the decision!

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2016, 04:49:00 AM »
Yes, a number of times. I have been approached to be  team leader in my school. Would entail several weekly meetings, additional paperwork/administrivia (which I despise), and more stress. All for $1200-1500 more a year. Not worth it.

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2016, 05:12:21 AM »
Yes. The small amount of added pay would not be worth the the added responsibility or stress.

It is astonishing some of the things I read at MMM.  If you do not like people or lead people, and you do not like to work hard then of course you should not take a promotion. But if you take 10 promotions over a life time the additional pay is well worth it PLUS the job satisfaction of being a capable leader that made a difference.

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2016, 05:53:37 AM »
I was an engineer in a professional services team, and the manager left. I was acting manager for months. They asked me if I wanted the job since I had been a manager in the company before. I declined since I liked doing hands on work. A manager from another dept was transferred over. A year later, the group was disbanded since there was a larger similar group in the company. My engineering position was moved to another team and I was one of three that did not get laid off.

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2016, 06:31:51 AM »
I have and will refuse all future promotions.  I have no desire to be a manager.   I'd much rather be managed and leave each day with little responsibly when not on duty.   The increase innpay would be too insignificant to matter.  I'm in the home stretch and really only want the base pay and benifit package going forward.  My investments will soon make more money than my salary, nofreakin way I'm adding the tiniest bit of stress to my life.

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2016, 07:45:15 AM »
Yes. The small amount of added pay would not be worth the the added responsibility or stress.

It is astonishing some of the things I read at MMM.  If you do not like people or lead people, and you do not like to work hard then of course you should not take a promotion. But if you take 10 promotions over a life time the additional pay is well worth it PLUS the job satisfaction of being a capable leader that made a difference.
It's not worth it if being a manager leads to a decrease in your quality of life.  Believe me, I should know.  I wish I had said no to my last promotion.

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2016, 09:32:38 AM »
In my department, there is an opening for a manager position, and I was urged by my boss to apply, with strong hints that it's mine if I want it. I turned it down because the people at that level all work 60+ hours and seem miserable. The way I see it, if the pay doesn't increase at the same rate the workload and stress do, the promotion isn't worth it.

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2016, 11:07:54 AM »
I am in the position now where, with a little bit of extra work, I could earn myself a promotion.  This may be my best opportunity to move up since my workplace currently has a lot of openings at the level I would be going for.  The thing is, I'm pretty happy with my level of responsibility and pay right now.  I also really like the people with which I currently work.  The new position would add a slightly higher level of stress and responsibility (really not much at all), a change in the people I work with, and about a 15% pay increase.

I am only considering the promotion because of the pay increase, and because I am being encouraged to go for it by many of my coworkers.  Also, it could shorten my working years a bit in the long run.  Have you ever passed up a promotion?  I feel a bit guilty for some reason, like I'm not challenging myself or am letting somebody down, I just am not sure who.  Not sure what I'm going to do yet.  Obviously, this is my decision to make, alone, but I'm looking for someone with a similar experience to share.

A few times.

I was offered more than one promotion that I turned down, for the following reasons:
1.  The boss.  It was the same boss I already had, but was in a new position.  In the job I was in, I knew what I was doing.  In the new job, it would require learning a lot of new things, and the boss was not very good.  I had ZERO faith that he would be able to teach me all these new things.  So, I passed.  They went outside for a hire.  And failed miserably.

2.  The job.  The next promotional opportunity was a natural one (engineering manager), but ... I had a 5 year old kid.  And I knew that job was going to come with the expectation of a 50-60 hour work week.  So when the boss (different boss) said "well, there are two people on the short list..." I said "not me, it will require too many hours".

3.  The travel.  The next opportunity was for a pretty prime job - we were moving manufacturing overseas, and needed to select a factory and transfer our process.  There were two people in the entire company who knew enough about how product and processes to do the transfer: me, and my boss (same boss as #2).  Boss (who was VP by then) and I discussed it, and I just said "man, I cannot do international travel like that".  At that point, I think I had a six year old and an INFANT.  In the end, the boss decided he was really excited about it and HE took the job.  And my new VP was HORRIBLE and pretty much was the of my upward trajectory.

Anyway, in-between #2 and #3 I did take a promotion.  Much like the engineering manager promotion, but on a smaller scale (2-6 direct reports instead of 10-15).  It was do-able in a regular work week.

During the #3 time, I had a great immediate supervisor, but it was his boss that was the horrible VP.  He got so fed up that he did a lateral transfer and recommended that I be made the engineering manager.  That did not happen (of course it didn't!  Though I was already doing most of the work.)  New boss said "I'm going to see who the *right* person for the job is".  I didn't play that game.  I transferred. But before I did, there were a few months of "I need you both to be at the 7:30 am X meeting, and at the 6:30 pm production meeting every day".

Well, hats off to my sucker coworker who did that schedule for a year.  He finally got promoted after a year, but then 3 months later the entire team got laid off (including sucky VP), but not me and not the sucker coworker.

Anyway, that was long.  A lot of promotions come with longer hours and not more money.

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2016, 11:11:49 AM »
Yes. The small amount of added pay would not be worth the the added responsibility or stress.

It is astonishing some of the things I read at MMM.  If you do not like people or lead people, and you do not like to work hard then of course you should not take a promotion. But if you take 10 promotions over a life time the additional pay is well worth it PLUS the job satisfaction of being a capable leader that made a difference.
I don't understand what is astonishing?

There is a cost/benefit analysis to different kinds of work.

I agree with the first statement - management can be hard.  If you aren't suited to it, don't do it.

But the "hard work" comment doesn't particularly make sense.  If you work hard at your current job, and you are offered a *little* more money to work an extra 15 hours a week, or to spend 30% of your time doing stuff that you don't like, why do it?  Doesn't mean you still aren't working hard.

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2016, 11:13:50 AM »
I haven't, but in retrospect there was one time when I should have.

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2016, 11:15:35 AM »
Took a temp job with IBM way back while finishing up my Thesis.  My boss moved up the ladder and they offered me his job -  akkkkkk!   Run away!  Stuck inside the rest of my life - no thank you!

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Re: Have you ever passed up a promotion?
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2016, 06:13:16 PM »
Yes, twice.  Once was a mistake (in hindsight).  More recently it was an excellent decision.

 

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