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Hi. Sorry if it's the wrong section, I'm asking for some advice and your perspective on my current situation.


I'm from a lower class family, my father passed away last summer. He was the main provider for our family. I'm still living with my mom. I have a small amount of money (inherited, around 40,000$,  is invested in a real estate, so I should sell that first. ) and I don't know what to do with it. My own idea is to rent a flat and move out of my mom's house. I've been riddiculed by a few girls when the subject came up, one of them even said "boo, baby still living with his mommy". I Don't care about her, but is it really that low to live in your parent's house at this age? So, my dating life is also affected by my current situation: no job, no house , no car.

My perception of money is also self-limiting, I think you should either have a lot of it, or you can't have anything at all. Working just helps you to stay alive. Would apperciate some better definitons from you folks.

Help me to prioritize my tasks and create a step by step plan to get out of this crisis, thanks folks.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2015, 08:19:20 PM by HighSkies »

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Hi. Sorry if it's the wrong section, I'm asking for some advice and your perspective on my current situation.


I'm from a lower class family, my father passed away last summer. He was the main provider for our family. I'm still living with my mom. I have a small amount of money (inherited, around 40,000$,  is invested in a real estate, so I should sell that first. ) and I don't know what to do with it. My own idea is to rent a flat and move out of my mom's house. I've been riddiculed by a few girls when the subject came up, one of them even said "boo, baby still living with his mommy". I Don't care about her, but is it really that low to live in your parent's house at this age? So, my dating life is also affected by my current situation: no job, no house , no car.

My perception of money is also self-limiting, I think you should either have a lot of it, or you can't have anything at all. Working just helps you to stay alive. Would apperciate some better definitons from you folks.

Help me to prioritize my tasks and create a step by step plan to get out of this crisis, thanks folks.

Why don't you have a job? Have you ever had one? If so, what did you do? What's your educational background?


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Hi. Sorry if it's the wrong section, I'm asking for some advice and your perspective on my current situation.


I'm from a lower class family, my father passed away last summer. He was the main provider for our family. I'm still living with my mom. I have a small amount of money (inherited, around 40,000$,  is invested in a real estate, so I should sell that first. ) and I don't know what to do with it. My own idea is to rent a flat and move out of my mom's house. I've been riddiculed by a few girls when the subject came up, one of them even said "boo, baby still living with his mommy". I Don't care about her, but is it really that low to live in your parent's house at this age? So, my dating life is also affected by my current situation: no job, no house , no car.

My perception of money is also self-limiting, I think you should either have a lot of it, or you can't have anything at all. Working just helps you to stay alive. Would apperciate some better definitons from you folks.

Help me to prioritize my tasks and create a step by step plan to get out of this crisis, thanks folks.

Why don't you have a job? Have you ever had one? If so, what did you do? What's your educational background?
Even thinking about working 24/7 makes me depressed, furthermore, the affordable incomes are not that motivational. Never. IT.

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Hi. Sorry if it's the wrong section, I'm asking for some advice and your perspective on my current situation.


I'm from a lower class family, my father passed away last summer. He was the main provider for our family. I'm still living with my mom. I have a small amount of money (inherited, around 40,000$,  is invested in a real estate, so I should sell that first. ) and I don't know what to do with it. My own idea is to rent a flat and move out of my mom's house. I've been riddiculed by a few girls when the subject came up, one of them even said "boo, baby still living with his mommy". I Don't care about her, but is it really that low to live in your parent's house at this age? So, my dating life is also affected by my current situation: no job, no house , no car.

My perception of money is also self-limiting, I think you should either have a lot of it, or you can't have anything at all. Working just helps you to stay alive. Would apperciate some better definitons from you folks.

Help me to prioritize my tasks and create a step by step plan to get out of this crisis, thanks folks.

Why don't you have a job? Have you ever had one? If so, what did you do? What's your educational background?
Even thinking about working 24/7 makes me depressed, furthermore, the affordable incomes are not that motivational. Never. IT.

24/7??

So, is part of your plan to get a job? Because $40,000 is not going to get you very far.  Or is your plan to keep living with your mom and not work for the foreseeable future?
« Last Edit: July 01, 2015, 03:56:24 PM by Kris »

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This is what I am hearing: "If I start working, I will work very hard doing multiple jobs because it is shameful to only earn a small amount of money."

Is that what you mean to say? If you start working you will have to work endlessly? Getting one job is a start, and I do not think working only one job (even a low paying one) is a problem. It is better than being unemployed.

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Even working flipping burgers wouldn't be bad as long as you remember that it is just a stepping stone.

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Even working flipping burgers wouldn't be bad as long as you remember that it is just a stepping stone.
Yes but for how long? Does it have a bright future?

This is what I am hearing: "If I start working, I will work very hard doing multiple jobs because it is shameful to only earn a small amount of money."

Is that what you mean to say? If you start working you will have to work endlessly? Getting one job is a start, and I do not think working only one job (even a low paying one) is a problem. It is better than being unemployed.
Well maybe not shameful, but let's be honest, that won't get you anywhere. Also I'm confused about my job preference. I don't like IT jobs and have no skills besides that.


24/7??

So, is part of your plan to get a job? Because $40,000 is not going to get you very far.  Or is your plan to keep living with your mom and not work for the foreseeable future?
My mind is so occupied with having a relationship that I can't focus on anything else.


You know my priorities are messed up. BTW, I live in asia, so the cost of living is slightly cheaper. I don't know, all I'm doing now is to keep myself entertained/busy with games etc. 

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My perception of money is also self-limiting, I think you should either have a lot of it, or you can't have anything at all. Working just helps you to stay alive. Would apperciate some better definitons from you folks.

Help me to prioritize my tasks and create a step by step plan to get out of this crisis, thanks folks.

Priority #1: You need to throw out that attitude. Yesterday. That's ridiculous. By your logic, you should just piss away your $40k on lottery tickets.

Even thinking about working 24/7 makes me depressed, furthermore, the affordable incomes are not that motivational. Never. IT.

Priority #2: You need to throw out this attitude. Today. Also ridiculous. From what I've read, it sounds like you're expecting handouts all your life.


You're 30 but based on what you've described so far, you're acting like a complete brat that is half your actual age. And you have the audacity to think that someone would want to date you. My impression is you're just an unemployed bum living off a measly inheritance (and I really do mean measly. Maybe $40k sounds like a lot to you, but if we apply the 4% rule (we can get to that later) to $40k, that means the $40k can provide an income stream of just $1600 per year. You can't live on that.


I know all of this is harsh, but facepunching is a thing on this forum. You need to get your life together. You also need to realize that you're going to have to work hard to expect to get anything useful out of your life.
So sit down and figure out what kind of jobs you can get based on your experience. You said you have IT experience right? Perhaps get a couple certifications or something to boost your resume, and apply for jobs. If your relationship with your mother is still okay, don't move out until you have a job. Heck, I doubt you're going to be able to rent a place without a job anyways - they're going to want to see you have income that is somewhere in the 2-4x rent range.

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You're 30 but based on what you've described so far, you're acting like a complete brat that is half your actual age. And you have the audacity to think that someone would want to date you. My impression is you're just an unemployed bum living off a measly inheritance (and I really do mean measly.
True. You basicaly summed up my reputation among our relatives, they have lost respect for me and that's what they are gossiping. "Unemployed loser still living in his mom's house"


The harsh truth is that I should accept the fact that I won't be able to buy a house, a car or travel to cool places for a long time. And no matter how good-looking I am, hot girls don't want to have anything to do with me. So I should just be happy that I'm alive and earn a living to feed myself, eh...
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My perception of money is also self-limiting, I think you should either have a lot of it, or you can't have anything at all. Working just helps you to stay alive. Would apperciate some better definitons from you folks.

Money is freedom, to me. Freedom from worrying about HOW to stay alive, freedom to quit when a job goes shitty because of a horrible boss, freedom to take short-term losses for a long-term gain (like buying a W/D rather than doing laundry at an expensive laundromat, for example). It's control over your life, and the opportunity to invest in things and experiences that will enrich it.

Here is my very simplified perspective:

If you have absolutely no money (for the sake of argument, let's say "no assets" - no house or car you can sell off), you have little control over your life. You still need a place to live, food to eat, and clothes to wear. However, because you have no resources of your own, you will constantly have to be taking the best short-term opportunity and taking whatever handouts you can get. Beggars can't be chooser, in a very real sense. You are relying on external things (and possibly chance) to meet your needs, rather than say, being able to live in a place that's safe and shop at the grocery store for healthy food. Instead, you crash with whoever has a couch and you eat whatever Mom fixes for dinner. (For example.)

If you have some money, you get a little more control. Maybe you earn $100 a month and all that $100 gets spent. Maybe you earn $5000 a month and save $4000 of it. But at least now you get to start making some choices with it.

If you have a lot of money, this is the ultimate form of control over your life - depending on how much you have. For me "a lot" would mean enough to support my lifestyle without having to work. I could then do other things with my time, like volunteer, travel, explore a hobby, or even continue working until I simply don't feel like it. There are LOTS of days where I don't feel like working anymore, but I don't have the freedom to stop because I can't support myself without a job indefinitely.

Money is not a binary thing. It is not "have ALL THE MONEY" or "have no money 'cause it don't matter". Actually, the only situation where your bank account value doesn't matter IS when you have a ton of it, and by that I mean Bill Gates level of wealthy, couldn't spend all of it if I tried wealthy.




However you choose to define it, here is a harsh reality: $40,000 will not last forever. Parents don't usually outlive us either. You need to have a game plan. And as you've figured out, for you to be seen as an adult in many cultures, you need to support yourself and likely at least move out. Even if you could live at home with Mom and not get a job for 20 years and not even touch that $40K, you won't be able to create the freedom and independence you crave without working.

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Highskies, I recently (a few months ago) quit my job because I did not like what I was doing. The problem is, my skills are mostly in that area. Any job I could get now would be lower paying.

It really is a hard decision: low paying job versus job you can't bear. Working in a job that makes you miserable is not good. However, there is a LOT of stuff out there in computers other than IT. Have you explored your options?

That is what I am doing right now in my job search. I am looking for jobs that are different from my old one but that may benefit from my old skill set.
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Help me to prioritize my tasks and create a step by step plan to get out of this crisis, thanks folks.

First, what exactly is the crisis you want to get out of? Is it that without your father, your mom doesn't have enough income to live on? Is it simply that you can't get a date?  Is being unemployed and living with mom a crisis for you, or is it only a problem because you can't get a date? If you had a girlfriend, would you be fine with everything else as it is?

You can move out and live on $40K for a while, but it will run out. What then--move back in with mom (and lose your girlfriends), be jobless and single again, only now with zero instead of $40K?

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Working just helps you to stay alive.

Well, yes. Food doesn't just fall out of the sky for most of us.

What do you want out of your life (besides getting laid)? Figure that out, and see if it motivates you to work.

If getting laid is truly your number one priority, then let that be your motivation. Not only can you have your own place and pay for dates, you can meet chicks at work. 


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You're 30 but based on what you've described so far, you're acting like a complete brat that is half your actual age. And you have the audacity to think that someone would want to date you. My impression is you're just an unemployed bum living off a measly inheritance (and I really do mean measly.
True. You basicaly summed up my reputation among our relatives, they have lost respect for me and that's what they are gossiping. "Unemployed loser still living in his mom's house"


The harsh truth is that I should accept the fact that I won't be able to buy a house, a car or travel to cool places for a long time. And no matter how good-looking I am, hot girls don't want to have anything to do with me. So I should just be happy that I'm alive and earn a living to feed myself, eh...

Your "harsh truth" is just reality for billions (yes, billions) of people, and quite frankly, we're all fine with it, so you need to get over yourself. I think there is great pride in starting with nothing and working your way up. My husband and I were both on our own (read: ZERO financial support in any form) by age 22, and we started out in a small, dark apartment we only visited to sleep because we were both working full-time and I was finish grad school part-time. We knew that our hard work would pay off after a few years, and indeed it did. I won't bore you with the details, but my point is that this is not only a fairly universal life experience, but it's one you can find joy in when you realize it is not pointless. You describe the starting-out phase as if there's no point, no reward, and no value. I disagree wholeheartedly. Life is what you make of it, and you are in charge of what you do with your life. Drop the poor-me mentality because it smacks of spoiled-little-rich-boy drivel, and I can guarantee you no woman (hot or not) alive will find that appealing.

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Here's an idea - stop acting like an unemployed loser and instead start acting like a responsible, respectable member of society. Yeah, it'll take some time for your family and friends to accept the change, but that's because it takes much longer to rebuild a reputation once you've screwed it up. If you do right, your family will be proud of you.

So, get a job. Exercise. Shower regularly. Wear clean, neatly mended clothing. Don't swear every other word.

Oh, and you may find that in order to be successful you need to find some new friends if they're hindering rather than helping.

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The harsh truth is that I should accept the fact that I won't be able to buy a house, a car or travel to cool places for a long time. And no matter how good-looking I am, hot girls don't want to have anything to do with me. So I should just be happy that I'm alive and earn a living to feed myself, eh...

I'm already getting fed up with your attitude, and this thread hasn't even reached its second page of posts yet. That's probably more a reflection on me than you, but you need to rethink your defeatist attitude - oh I won't ever have enough money by working so I might as well not try. Because that is completely false. As msjd123 attests to, and I'm sure many other people on this forum and throughout the world can attest to, you can bring yourself from $0 to retiring at a reasonable age. But it's not going to happen with your attitude.

You can either get off your ass and do something about your life, or sit around in your mother's basement and sulk.

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This is some fucking neckbeard shit. I am almost hoping this is a troll.

Girls don't not like you because you're not attractive enough, girls don't like you because you're the archetypical unemployed loser living in his mom's basement.

Apart from being of normal weight, I'm not terribly attractive, but I haven't had problems catching a girl's interest. The whole "be attractive, don't be unattractive" thing is cynical bullshit losers tell themselves to make themselves feel better about not getting anywhere.

Okay, tasks to prioritize:

- Take a shower
- Shave
- Apply deodorant
- Put on clothes that don't offend people
- Smile
- Stop being a dick to your family
- Stop being cynical and assuming you know what the world is like... you haven't seen it yet
- Go outside
- Find a job, any job
- Talk to people at work
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to say something contradictory or unpleasant
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to prove how smart you are
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to redirect the conversation to yourself
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to talk about weird ass hobbies... ponies, 4chan, reddit, porn, memes
- Seriously, shut the fuck up about most things
- Grow up, behave like a human, behave like an adult
- See girls as people
- See hot girls as people
- See other people as people, and not just NPCs in your video game
- Talk to people

Do all of that every day and maybe you'll crawl out of the dank hole at some point this year.

Harsh truth? There's no other kind of truth for you other than harsh.

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HighSkies traits:

(1) computers
(2) reads/writes English and some other language, too, I assume
(3) good looking (according to him)

Jobs: fashion model, poster boy, IT, tech support, translating English to native language, teaching native language to foreigners... what else? Airport work (English may come in handy), other travel-related work that would require English, tour guide!

Edit: Oh airline steward! Travel! Money!
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Guys, I'm glad I registered on this forum. Yeah, posting on video games forums won't get you anywhere.  So much time wasted on BS fantasy garbage.


So many insightful replies in less than a hour, reading some of them is so motivating that I just want to get out right now and start sweeping the streets, even if I don't get paid. Thank you. I will be reading them carefully again, one by one, and post back tomorrow.

Overall everyone agrees that I should move out first, and start working right then?


« Last Edit: July 01, 2015, 05:11:20 PM by HighSkies »

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0. Throw video games and porn in the trash
1. Get a job
2. Start paying rent to your mom
3. Find an apartment

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Take a shower
- Shave
- Apply deodorant
- Put on clothes that don't offend people
- Smile
- Stop being a dick to your family
- Stop being cynical and assuming you know what the world is like... you haven't seen it yet
- Go outside
- Find a job, any job
- Talk to people at work
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to say something contradictory or unpleasant
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to prove how smart you are
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to redirect the conversation to yourself
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to talk about weird ass hobbies... ponies, 4chan, reddit, porn, memes
- Seriously, shut the fuck up about most things
- Grow up, behave like a human, behave like an adult
- See girls as people
- See hot girls as people
- See other people as people, and not just NPCs in your video game
- Talk to people


+++1000 - excellent advice!  I know a few people who could benefit from it...

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These kind of posts are frustrating.  You, and everyone, have two basic choices:

1) Be satisfied with your situation, or

2) Make and execute a plan to change your situation

So do you want help with 1) or 2) ?

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Working and saving is the path to wealth.  It's not easy, but steady will get you there.

Start reading books like The Millionaire Next Door and Millionare Mindset and other books like that to start changing how you think about money.
I am a former teacher who accumulated a bunch of real estate, retired at 29, spent some time traveling the world full time and am now settled with three kids.
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You sound like you might be depressed.

Get a job first. Most people don't love their jobs all the time. That's why they have to pay you. It may take you a while to find something you like. Find your first job, work at it and get some useful experience. If you don't like it after a year look for another one.

Your not working and playing games all the time is not attractive to women. It isn't a sign they are shallow. What is attractive is a modicum of ambition, a decent work ethic, some level of industriousness, some type of accomplishment, and some confidence. Sitting on Mom's couch isn't going to develop these traits.

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Why don't you have a job? Have you ever had one? If so, what did you do? What's your educational background?
Even thinking about working 24/7 makes me depressed, furthermore, the affordable incomes are not that motivational. Never. IT.

Does this mean you've never had a job?

I'm not sure I understand this, but if so, getting an IT job will probably be difficult.

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Vito Corleone: "YOU CAN ACT LIKE A MAN"

That advice that Vito Corleone gave to Johnny Fontaine in the godfather is the same advice I am going to tell you, START ACTING LIKE A MAN. All I hear, is "poor me, girls don't like me, I have no job, I live with my mom, I like video games..."....and then you wonder why you think you are a failure. You complain and do nothing about it.

First thing first, fuck video games, starting tomorrow, you will start looking for a job, who cares if it's a low paying job, start somewhere...it is not by sitting on your ass all day playing world of warcraft that suddenly you will make money and get lots of girls. Life does not work that way. Is it wrong living at your mom's house at your age?? Not if you have a job and your doing it to help out the family and you are single. Infact, living with your mom will boost your savings until you are ready and have enough money to start living somewhere else.

And stop thinking about what girls think about you, at this moment, girls should be the least of your worries right now. The priority is getting A J-O-B...and I am not talking about hiring a hooker. You need income, that is the number 1 priority. If a girl suddenly has interest in you while you are searching for a job or if you start working somewhere...well that's a plus..but your priority at this moment is making money, start putting some money aside and help out your poor mother who has to deal with you. Once all that is in place, usually everything else falls in place.

Sorry if I sound like an asshole towards you, but you have to realize you are missing out on alot of things. Lazyness won't get you nowhere in this world. The more you wait, the more no one will be willing to hire you since you have nothing in your resumé at this moment. The older you get, the worse it will become.
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This is some fucking neckbeard shit. I am almost hoping this is a troll.

Girls don't not like you because you're not attractive enough, girls don't like you because you're the archetypical unemployed loser living in his mom's basement.

Apart from being of normal weight, I'm not terribly attractive, but I haven't had problems catching a girl's interest. The whole "be attractive, don't be unattractive" thing is cynical bullshit losers tell themselves to make themselves feel better about not getting anywhere.

Okay, tasks to prioritize:

- Take a shower
- Shave
- Apply deodorant
- Put on clothes that don't offend people
- Smile
- Stop being a dick to your family
- Stop being cynical and assuming you know what the world is like... you haven't seen it yet
- Go outside
- Find a job, any job
- Talk to people at work
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to say something contradictory or unpleasant
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to prove how smart you are
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to redirect the conversation to yourself
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to talk about weird ass hobbies... ponies, 4chan, reddit, porn, memes
- Seriously, shut the fuck up about most things
- Grow up, behave like a human, behave like an adult
- See girls as people
- See hot girls as people
- See other people as people, and not just NPCs in your video game
- Talk to people

Do all of that every day and maybe you'll crawl out of the dank hole at some point this year.

Harsh truth? There's no other kind of truth for you other than harsh.

This post made my day. Supersrs/10

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Nobody is suggesting you move out. Apart from anything else, you almost certainly CAN'T because you don't have a job, and landlords want some proof that you can pay rent, and CAN CONTINUE to pay rent, so your inheritance won't make much difference.

However, you actually owe it to your mother to help her. She has presumably paid for you for 30 years, cooked your meals and done your laundry. She has put up with all her relatives complaining about you. She has just lost a husband, just as you have lost a father.

Thirdly, you will be amazed to find out just how much time and money and SKILL it takes to live by yourself. Judging by other people I have known who lived with their parents until 30, you probably don't know how to wash your clothes, cook a meal, clean the house or any of the skills that you need. While you are looking for a job, you should TODAY start gaining those skills. One of the simple skills to start with is tidying your bedroom. If you don't know how to do it, ask your mother to tell you (and ask her not to do it).

You shouldn't move out until you have saved enough to move, have the skills to live by yourself and have a job.
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I am surprised your parents were okay with you living like this for so long. If I had told my parents after high school that I wasn't going to go to university, was not going to get a job, and would just play video games all day, they would have laughed at me.

Seriously step 1 is getting a job. You can worry about everything else later.

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Overall everyone agrees that I should move out first, and start working right then?

... No, I would suggest finding employment first, then moving out. Especially if there's any concern about being able to enter the workforce on zero experience.

I haven't seen it mentioned but even teaching could be considered. Really you need to figure out what it is you like about IT (if anything) and what you dislike about those jobs. Also, be open to taking a job you feel lukewarm about until you build more skills, experience, and figure out what you want.

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This is some fucking neckbeard shit. I am almost hoping this is a troll.

Girls don't not like you because you're not attractive enough, girls don't like you because you're the archetypical unemployed loser living in his mom's basement.

Apart from being of normal weight, I'm not terribly attractive, but I haven't had problems catching a girl's interest. The whole "be attractive, don't be unattractive" thing is cynical bullshit losers tell themselves to make themselves feel better about not getting anywhere.

Okay, tasks to prioritize:

- Take a shower
- Shave
- Apply deodorant
- Put on clothes that don't offend people
- Smile
- Stop being a dick to your family
- Stop being cynical and assuming you know what the world is like... you haven't seen it yet
- Go outside
- Find a job, any job
- Talk to people at work
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to say something contradictory or unpleasant
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to prove how smart you are
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to redirect the conversation to yourself
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to talk about weird ass hobbies... ponies, 4chan, reddit, porn, memes
- Seriously, shut the fuck up about most things
- Grow up, behave like a human, behave like an adult
- See girls as people
- See hot girls as people
- See other people as people, and not just NPCs in your video game
- Talk to people

Do all of that every day and maybe you'll crawl out of the dank hole at some point this year.

Harsh truth? There's no other kind of truth for you other than harsh.

This might just be my favorite internet message board post of all time.  Awesome.  I wish I could get my asshole brother to follow this advice.

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This is some fucking neckbeard shit. I am almost hoping this is a troll.

Girls don't not like you because you're not attractive enough, girls don't like you because you're the archetypical unemployed loser living in his mom's basement.

Apart from being of normal weight, I'm not terribly attractive, but I haven't had problems catching a girl's interest. The whole "be attractive, don't be unattractive" thing is cynical bullshit losers tell themselves to make themselves feel better about not getting anywhere.

Okay, tasks to prioritize:

- Take a shower
- Shave
- Apply deodorant
- Put on clothes that don't offend people
- Smile
- Stop being a dick to your family
- Stop being cynical and assuming you know what the world is like... you haven't seen it yet
- Go outside
- Find a job, any job
- Talk to people at work
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to say something contradictory or unpleasant
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to prove how smart you are
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to redirect the conversation to yourself
- Shut the fuck up when you're about to talk about weird ass hobbies... ponies, 4chan, reddit, porn, memes
- Seriously, shut the fuck up about most things
- Grow up, behave like a human, behave like an adult
- See girls as people
- See hot girls as people
- See other people as people, and not just NPCs in your video game
- Talk to people

Do all of that every day and maybe you'll crawl out of the dank hole at some point this year.

Harsh truth? There's no other kind of truth for you other than harsh.

This.

Make these changes. If you try, you'll find no community anywhere more supportive of you than these forums. If you just want to complain and make excuses, prepare for more brutal truth-bombing, 'cause we eat complainypants for breakfast.

You can do it. Start now.

MOD EDIT: See below post.
Edit: Modification to original post made. Sorry ARS. Point taken.
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It sounds like there are things you want in life (be attractive to women, sustain a relationship, own a house, car, have the respect of relatives, travel, live on your own, etc.) Ask yourself, how hard are you willing to work for these things?  In the real world, people have to earn these things.

As others have said, you need to get a job and start giving a portion of your earnings to your mother.  Besides being the right thing to do, this will immediately improve people's perception of you. 

Your mom can tell relatives, "my son is working now and contributes part of his pay to the household." Compared to what you are doing now, everyone will think well of your progress and more responsible behaviour.

You can tell women, "yes I still live at home, I work and help support the family now that my father is gone."  Again, much more admirable than unemployed adult mooching off parents.

Notice I didn't specify what KIND of job.  Even mopping floors is honest work to earn a wage. You can start low if you are willing to work hard and improve your skills so you can climb higher.

If the local I.T. jobs you could get have longer hours than you can (or want to) work, how about working remotely for an international company, or freelance?  Check out websites like Elance, Leapforce, TaskRabbit, Odesk, Fiver.  A job isn't necessarily about carrying a briefcase and wearing a tie to an office.  It's any honest work you do to generate income.

On the side, learn about various kinds of investing.  Once you're more knowledgeable about financial matters, decide how to invest your inheritance. That money is your security and future, so don't spend it, invest it for the long term.

If you are interested in a serious relationship (and to become a better person, in general), I agree with previous posters that you need to learn how to be more self-sufficient.  Learn every aspect of running a household and do those tasks regularly (cooking, cleaning, grocery shopping, home maintenance, laundry, paying rent/taxes/bills, etc.)  Living on your own will fail if you can't do these things, and you will have a hard time attracting a long-term partner because she'll see that unless you earn enough to pay a housekeeper, she'll have to do all this for you.  That's not attractive in the slightest.

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This is some fucking neckbeard shit. I am almost hoping this is a troll.



OP, I had a neck beard in high school and I was pretty self-conscious about it.  Instead of sitting around in my parent's basement sulking, I decided to join the Air Force where I was forced to shave the neck beard everyday.  I learned a new skill and gained confidence in myself from the military.  Maybe the military would be good for you. 

If you are depressed or whatever, it's good that you're reaching out and looking for advice from the many successful people on this forum.  It's never good to keep it inside.  Best of luck to you.

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This is some fucking neckbeard shit. I am almost hoping this is a troll.
>Snip Post of the Year

I'm still about 50/50 on the troll possibility, but you win the internet.  Print that on a nice laminated card and I'd buy some to hand out.

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This is some fucking neckbeard shit. I am almost hoping this is a troll.
>Snip Post of the Year

I'm still about 50/50 on the troll possibility, but you win the internet.  Print that on a nice laminated card and I'd buy some to hand out.

second.

this guy wants to assume some responsibilty to change, i've got loads of suggestions; but i've seen guys like this before(one of my sisters is married to one); he's got to commit to positive change first.

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Assuming this isn't a troll, here's some advice about what smart, hot girls find hot.

My husband grew up in bad poverty...like sell blood to buy ketchup and pasta for dinner type poverty. Most of his family were high school dropouts, many were in trouble with the law. Most were pissed at 'society' for 'holding them down' but wouldn't stick to jobs for more than a few weeks, and never bothered to hold onto a single dollar.  My husband moved every year of his life until his sophomore year of high school because his parents couldn't settle in one place. He was an insecure, angry loner. He had no particular ambition because he had no ideas what opportunities were available, and knew no one who had ever improved themselves. He thought he was going to work for the rest of his life in a crappy factory job and thought, why bother?

He scraped by and graduated from high school, and like many poor kids, joined the Army. He became, not to put too fine a point on it, something of a badass (to no one's surprise more than his). He worked in very tough physical conditions (Arctic) and thrived. He gained self confidence. He got out of the army thinking he was going to work in law enforcement, but he hated it and found it too depressing, so he took some community college classes and discovered he wasn't as dumb as he'd always assumed.

Bottom line is: he got stubborn.  He decided he was going to break out of his family's cycle of self-destruction/poverty/misery NO MATTER WHAT. He enrolled in college, and paid his own way working night jobs and taking a full course load. He graduated in 4 years to keep his loans smaller. He met new people and his world expanded. His ambition was noted by his professors, and they steered him into graduate school while he was still an undergraduate. He worked in very tough physical conditions (summer in the AZ desert) and gained MORE self confidence and thrived even more. He learned to raise money, teach classes, write publishable scientific papers.

He didn't know anything about money, but he knew to stay out of consumer debt. He ended with Bachelor's, MS, PhD, and post doc, and a really great job with great benefits that pays well, doing something he LOVES. He has traveled to a lot of countries, done field work in all kinds of environments, mentored a bunch of grad students, and on and on.

If you'd told him at 15 that he could do these things and have this life, he'd have laughed, and slunk off into the woods in his 'lone wolf' routine, or stuck his nose in an escapist novel.  But his life now is better than he ever dreamed or expected, as he'll be happy to tell you. And he worked his ass off to get it, and that makes it all the sweeter.

One more thing...He was not notably handsome, just nice looking. He lived paycheck to paycheck for the first 15 years while he was working his plan, so he didn't have a flash car or money to throw around on fancy dates. He lived in barracks or studio apartments. You know what? He still got laid A LOT.  Because women get swoony over badass, competent, self directed men who are also nice and respectful and sincerely like women.

So, decide to make it happen, make a plan, and work the plan. In 20 years, you could transform yourself and your life.

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I was thinking about this some more last night, and it occurred to me that, despite what you say, you are not HUNGRY. I don't mean physically hungry; I mean the kind of hungry Steve Jobs talked about in his commencement speech to Stanford grads several years ago. I mean the kind of hunger for success that has driven successful people for centuries. You're too comfortable, and until you're uncomfortable -- hungry, ants-in-your-pants uncomfortable -- you won't take the kinds of measures you need to take to become truly successful.

I vividly remember the moment I became hungry. We were living in a small, dark apartment, way over-extended time-wise with work and grad school, and basically living hand-to-mouth financially. After rent, we only had $600/month for everything else, and it sucked. I'd have to think carefully about whether I could "splurge" on a $10 T-shirt from Target. BUT, and this is important, I knew that if we could just make it through this phase without debt, if we get through the grad school part and the low-wages part without problems, then things would be better, and we were hungry for that. There was no safety net; we had to make it work, and that was the best thing that ever could have happened to us. That hand-to-mouth budgeting, the bare-bones living, the "I'm sick of this nasty box of an apartment" feeling -- all of it was worth it because it made us work so hard to get to where we are today, and it makes me appreciate what we've earned.

So, embrace the low-wage, low-status job, and live at that level for a while. It builds character, ambition, and hunger. And, just like with physical hunger, the reward is sweeter when you're truly hungry for it.

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Doing work you're not passionate about is sometimes the only way to make progress toward a better life.
I got fed up with the defense industry early on and decided I wanted out. My problem was, I did stupid things with money (like wasting most of it on things to distract me from my dissatisfaction with life) that kept me trapped there for the sake of the paycheck. And the first time I really tried to leave, I had no plan to pay my bills so I ended up back where I started. At least now, with the help of some good advice, I'm working my way toward total freedom to work if/when/how I want, doing things I love. This job will make the next one (the one I love) possible.

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Girls don't not like you because you're not attractive enough, girls don't like you because you're the archetypical unemployed loser living in his mom's basement.


Honestly, it probably isn't even the live with the Mom part. If the guy showed any motivation to be a productive member of society, then living with his Mom while he got his act together is probably mostly fine; or to help support his Mom, if it can be explained that way, women are often okay with it.  But living there, refusing to work because it doesn't seem fun, objectifying women, and overall just expecting handouts is the problem.

Your list is a very good one.  (I notice it didn't include "move out"- so maybe we are actually on the same page.)


The only thing I'm going to add is- seek medical help if you are depressed. A facepunch isn't going to work in that instance.

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0. Throw video games and porn in the trash
1. Get a job
2. Start paying rent to your mom
3. Find an apartment

Lets not be hasty.........

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My troll detector's battery ran out it was bleeping so much.

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My troll detector's battery ran out it was bleeping so much.

Yep. The middle paragraph of his last post is definitely missing a <sarcasm> tag.

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Do you live in Japan OP? I read a lot of articles about how hopeless young people feel there. The job market is hard to get into and few good middle class jobs remain. But this doesn't have to matter to you. You can learn to take control of your own life regardless of the economy. Check out the website of Ramit Sethi. He teaches people how to deal with the job market.

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Holy fuck this is the most depressing thing I've read in a long time.  Good news, man.  Life is WAY better than this.  Time to get outside, find something to do, and start talking to people about ANYTHING you enjoy.  I think you're going to like it.

And if this is trolling, it is top notch trolling.  Seriously, top notch.

Please do not misquote me. I never said this. The OP did.

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Holy fuck this is the most depressing thing I've read in a long time.  Good news, man.  Life is WAY better than this.  Time to get outside, find something to do, and start talking to people about ANYTHING you enjoy.  I think you're going to like it.

And if this is trolling, it is top notch trolling.  Seriously, top notch.

Please do not misquote me. I never said this. The OP did.

Sorry about that.  I thought I understood how to remove the embedded quotes, but apparently not.

As in, please edit your original post and fix that.

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For future reference, quote was attributable to OP.   And now it's gone.  Kind of. 

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30 isn't too late to go back to school and study something that interests you.  40k while living with mom should afford you a solid degree.  It would be easier to transition into a professional job right out of school.

Oh, and work part time at anything available while studying.  Keeps you focused and prevents going into debt.

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It's the first time I'm hearing the word "neckbeard". I do shave, smell cool and I am a hygienic person, not a hobo haha.


If you have absolutely no money (for the sake of argument, let's say "no assets" - no house or car you can sell off), you have little control over your life. You still need a place to live, food to eat, and clothes to wear. However, because you have no resources of your own, you will constantly have to be taking the best short-term opportunity and taking whatever handouts you can get. Beggars can't be chooser, in a very real sense. You are relying on external things (and possibly chance) to meet your needs, rather than say, being able to live in a place that's safe and shop at the grocery store for healthy food. Instead, you crash with whoever has a couch and you eat whatever Mom fixes for dinner. (For example.)

However you choose to define it, here is a harsh reality: $40,000 will not last forever. Parents don't usually outlive us either. You need to have a game plan. And as you've figured out, for you to be seen as an adult in many cultures, you need to support yourself and likely at least move out. Even if you could live at home with Mom and not get a job for 20 years and not even touch that $40K, you won't be able to create the freedom and independence you crave without working.
I have to start somewhere, even if there is zero motivation. That was an excellent post, thank you.


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Help me to prioritize my tasks and create a step by step plan to get out of this crisis, thanks folks.

First, what exactly is the crisis you want to get out of? Is it that without your father, your mom doesn't have enough income to live on? Is it simply that you can't get a date?  Is being unemployed and living with mom a crisis for you, or is it only a problem because you can't get a date? If you had a girlfriend, would you be fine with everything else as it is?

You can move out and live on $40K for a while, but it will run out. What then--move back in with mom (and lose your girlfriends), be jobless and single again, only now with zero instead of $40K?


I can attract womenand get dates. However I can't sustain any thing long-term or even short-term[in other words, having a reliable access to sex] because eventually they will see through my lies. That I don't have a job, house and the car belongs to my mom. So I bail out and end it before they find out, in order to not hurt their feelings. No one likes being led on and lied to by a phony liar.







Your "harsh truth" is just reality for billions (yes, billions) of people, and quite frankly, we're all fine with it, so you need to get over yourself. I think there is great pride in starting with nothing and working your way up. My husband and I were both on our own (read: ZERO financial support in any form) by age 22, and we started out in a small, dark apartment we only visited to sleep because we were both working full-time and I was finish grad school part-time. We knew that our hard work would pay off after a few years, and indeed it did. I won't bore you with the details, but my point is that this is not only a fairly universal life experience, but it's one you can find joy in when you realize it is not pointless. You describe the starting-out phase as if there's no point, no reward, and no value. I disagree wholeheartedly. Life is what you make of it, and you are in charge of what you do with your life. Drop the poor-me mentality because it smacks of spoiled-little-rich-boy drivel, and I can guarantee you no woman (hot or not) alive will find that appealing.
So how do you feel now that it paid off? Has your quality of life improved significantly? Did you achieve any big goals? Or still struggling with the basics and merely capable of supporting yourselves?





Here's an idea - stop acting like an unemployed loser and instead start acting like a responsible, respectable member of society.

Oh, and you may find that in order to be successful you need to find some new friends if they're hindering rather than helping.
That was quite simple and to the point.  My friends are not a problem, it's our relatives who have a negative influence on my life (gossiping, not minding their own business, talking shit about me etc).








That's probably more a reflection on me than you, but you need to rethink your defeatist attitude - oh I won't ever have enough money by working so I might as well not try.
Defeatist mindset. Yeah, another major mental problem.






These kind of posts are frustrating.  You, and everyone, have two basic choices:

1) Be satisfied with your situation, or

2) Make and execute a plan to change your situation

So do you want help with 1) or 2) ?
Option 2 of course.






Start reading books like The Millionaire Next Door and Millionare Mindset and other books like that to start changing how you think about money.
Thanks I will give them a try.





Your not working and playing games all the time is not attractive to women. It isn't a sign they are shallow.
I have to lie about my job, to everyone not just women.




First thing first, fuck video games, starting tomorrow, you will start looking for a job, who cares if it's a low paying job, start somewhere...it is not by sitting on your ass all day playing world of warcraft that suddenly you will make money and get lots of girls. Life does not work that way. Is it wrong living at your mom's house at your age?? Not if you have a job and your doing it to help out the family and you are single. Infact, living with your mom will boost your savings until you are ready and have enough money to start living somewhere else.

And stop thinking about what girls think about you, at this moment, girls should be the least of your worries right now. The priority is getting A J-O-B...and I am not talking about hiring a hooker. You need income, that is the number 1 priority. If a girl suddenly has interest in you while you are searching for a job or if you start working somewhere...well that's a plus..but your priority at this moment is making money, start putting some money aside and help out your poor mother who has to deal with you. Once all that is in place, usually everything else falls in place.

Yeah fuck videogames, I'm just playing games because I'm bored or I find them to be the best way to distract myself. Kinda escaping the reality instead of facing it head on. I am not seeking validation from girls, I'm just frustrated with my sexual life. But that's because I have entitlement issues. You can't have sex regularly without investing a major amount of your time, attention and money on a relationship with a quality chick. Again it all comes down to laziness I guess, and having high expectations and high standards when you are a trash bum yourself lol.







However, you actually owe it to your mother to help her. She has presumably paid for you for 30 years, cooked your meals and done your laundry. She has put up with all her relatives complaining about you. She has just lost a husband, just as you have lost a father.

I'm embarrassed to say this, but my mother does have a job and she is the one who is supporting the whole family. As for her losing her husband, well guess what, she started fucking some one else just 1 month after my father died.





It sounds like there are things you want in life (be attractive to women, sustain a relationship, own a house, car, have the respect of relatives, travel, live on your own, etc.) Ask yourself, how hard are you willing to work for these things?  In the real world, people have to earn these things.

As others have said, you need to get a job and start giving a portion of your earnings to your mother.  Besides being the right thing to do, this will immediately improve people's perception of you. 

Your mom can tell relatives, "my son is working now and contributes part of his pay to the household." Compared to what you are doing now, everyone will think well of your progress and more responsible behaviour.

You can tell women, "yes I still live at home, I work and help support the family now that my father is gone."  Again, much more admirable than unemployed adult mooching off parents.

Notice I didn't specify what KIND of job.  Even mopping floors is honest work to earn a wage. You can start low if you are willing to work hard and improve your skills so you can climb higher.

If the local I.T. jobs you could get have longer hours than you can (or want to) work, how about working remotely for an international company, or freelance?  Check out websites like Elance, Leapforce, TaskRabbit, Odesk, Fiver.  A job isn't necessarily about carrying a briefcase and wearing a tie to an office.  It's any honest work you do to generate income.

On the side, learn about various kinds of investing.  Once you're more knowledgeable about financial matters, decide how to invest your inheritance. That money is your security and future, so don't spend it, invest it for the long term.

If you are interested in a serious relationship (and to become a better person, in general), I agree with previous posters that you need to learn how to be more self-sufficient.  Learn every aspect of running a household and do those tasks regularly (cooking, cleaning, grocery shopping, home maintenance, laundry, paying rent/taxes/bills, etc.)  Living on your own will fail if you can't do these things, and you will have a hard time attracting a long-term partner because she'll see that unless you earn enough to pay a housekeeper, she'll have to do all this for you.  That's not attractive in the slightest.
I do pay her for the food and shared bills, (monthly insurance money). You brought up a good point, I always tell her that whenever everyone asks you about my job, you tell them he is a telecommunication expert and is employed by a major company. But our relatives (aunt, uncle etc) keep repeating that question every time they visit as if they don't believe her.

Regarding self-sufficiency, I am fairly self-sufficient if left on my own.






My husband grew up in bad poverty...like sell blood to buy ketchup and pasta for dinner type poverty. Most of his family were high school dropouts, many were in trouble with the law. Most were pissed at 'society' for 'holding them down' but wouldn't stick to jobs for more than a few weeks, and never bothered to hold onto a single dollar.  My husband moved every year of his life until his sophomore year of high school because his parents couldn't settle in one place. He was an insecure, angry loner. He had no particular ambition because he had no ideas what opportunities were available, and knew no one who had ever improved themselves. He thought he was going to work for the rest of his life in a crappy factory job and thought, why bother?


So how do you feel now that it paid off? Has your quality of life improved significantly? Did you achieve any big goals? Or still struggling with the basics and merely capable of supporting yourselves?









I was thinking about this some more last night, and it occurred to me that, despite what you say, you are not HUNGRY. I don't mean physically hungry; I mean the kind of hungry Steve Jobs talked about in his commencement speech to Stanford grads several years ago. I mean the kind of hunger for success that has driven successful people for centuries. You're too comfortable, and until you're uncomfortable -- hungry, ants-in-your-pants uncomfortable -- you won't take the kinds of measures you need to take to become truly successful.

I vividly remember the moment I became hungry. We were living in a small, dark apartment, way over-extended time-wise with work and grad school, and basically living hand-to-mouth financially. After rent, we only had $600/month for everything else, and it sucked. I'd have to think carefully about whether I could "splurge" on a $10 T-shirt from Target. BUT, and this is important, I knew that if we could just make it through this phase without debt, if we get through the grad school part and the low-wages part without problems, then things would be better, and we were hungry for that. There was no safety net; we had to make it work, and that was the best thing that ever could have happened to us. That hand-to-mouth budgeting, the bare-bones living, the "I'm sick of this nasty box of an apartment" feeling -- all of it was worth it because it made us work so hard to get to where we are today, and it makes me appreciate what we've earned.

So, embrace the low-wage, low-status job, and live at that level for a while. It builds character, ambition, and hunger. And, just like with physical hunger, the reward is sweeter when you're truly hungry for it.
Dark times indeed. Glad you guys made it. It should feel damn satisfying now. Thanks for sharing your story.  Very motivational.






Honestly, it probably isn't even the live with the Mom part. If the guy showed any motivation to be a productive member of society, then living with his Mom while he got his act together is probably mostly fine; or to help support his Mom, if it can be explained that way, women are often okay with it.  But living there, refusing to work because it doesn't seem fun, objectifying women, and overall just expecting handouts is the problem.


The only thing I'm going to add is- seek medical help if you are depressed. A facepunch isn't going to work in that instance.
Living with mom is a losers thing. A guy who does not have a place of his own is not even considered an option for most girls, you can't spend all of your times together inside a trashy car from the 1990s or cafes. You need a private place of your own if you know what I mean.

But moving out is a big risk, I could end up wasting my inhered money. So I have to agree.







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30 isn't too late to go back to school and study something that interests you.  40k while living with mom should afford you a solid degree.  It would be easier to transition into a professional job right out of school.
I have a CIW certification. I'm thinking about finishing the whole program and acquire their complete certification. I don't like IT but I've heard you can have a steady income if you have those certs and at least 3 years of experience.


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