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Has anyone tried panhandling?
« on: May 10, 2016, 04:14:46 PM »
I know it sounds a little bit insane but it actually works.  I started doing it out of curiosity just to see what I could make.  About three weeks ago, I went down to a semi-busy intersection in the downtown part of my city on a Saturday, located near a shopping center.  I didn't wear especially ragged clothes, just jeans and a t-shirt.  I made one simple cardboard sign that said "Please give me money.  Thank you."  No misrepresentations about being homeless and hungry or a disabled veteran or anything like that.  Short and to the point.  I really wasn't expecting much, this was more like an experiment than a real plan.  Turns out that between 9 am and 1 PM, I made a bit over $81.  Not a tremendous hourly rate, but not bad at all considering that I basically just had to sit there and read a library book.

But it gets better:  For the last two weeks, I've taken my kids (I have a boy and a girl, ages 13 and 8, respectively) out with me.  They get signs of their own - same wording, although my daughter insisted on decorating hers with unicorn stickers.  The lesson I learned:  When you panhandle with your kids, the rate of return goes bananas.  The three of us have brought in almost $300 a week the last two weekends.  Plus it is a good activity for spending time with my kids.  I'll read to them, and sometimes we just enjoy the people watching.

It sounds nuts, and you'll want to check various local ordinances before you start to make sure you aren't breaking the law, but all in all I have to say that panhandling with my kids is a great new hobby that's really helping me on the path to financial independence.

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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2016, 04:30:50 PM »
OMG yes and it totally works. I'm up to 3 million, ready to FIRE next week. This is what I do.

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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2016, 04:32:28 PM »
This is my BFF

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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2016, 04:32:58 PM »
Unless you're donating that money to people who actually need it, I'm very uncomfortable with this suggestion.

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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2016, 04:35:47 PM »
Yeah this is pretty questionable.

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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2016, 04:36:11 PM »
Awesome Trolling!! This site needs more of this!


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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2016, 04:37:38 PM »
Bad choice.  What message are you sending your kids.  If this is a troll - it's bad.  If not, it's worse.  Morality counts.

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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2016, 04:37:46 PM »
It's a troll, people! post count =1

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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2016, 04:39:37 PM »
Panhandling & dumpster diving... this forum is starting to get good.

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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2016, 04:40:41 PM »
Awesome Trolling!! This site needs more of this!

Right.  I didn't notice that this was someone's "first" post.  I'm betting it's dragoncar in disguise.

Does one of the mods want to look up that IP and see who else on the forum posts from that machine?

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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2016, 04:41:53 PM »
Panhandling & dumpster diving... this forum is starting to get good.

IMO those aren't even in the same ballpark.

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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2016, 04:41:59 PM »
I wonder if the increase in money was due to the kids or the unicorn stickers...the only way to know for sure is for you to try it with stickers, no kids. Please report back on your experiment as my curiosity is piqued. Thank you.

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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2016, 04:43:03 PM »
Bad choice.  What message are you sending your kids.  If this is a troll - it's bad.  If not, it's worse.  Morality counts.
I'm genuinely not trolling.  I realize it's bizarre, but there's nothing immoral about it.  If I were lying to people - saying that I was homeless and hungry, or that I needed gas to see my stranded children, or that I needed to raise money for a relative's funeral, or what have you - then I would certainly agree.  But I'm simply sitting in a public place, holding a completely honest sign with a totally accurate message, viz. that I would be grateful for any money that passers by wish to give me.

You could argue that it's misleading because people assume that I would not do this if I wasn't destitute.  But honestly those assumptions say more about others than they do about me.  In reality, we seldom know the first thing about the personal lives, details, health, finances, and so forth of the people we see panhandling every day.  I would wager that a number of them are, like me, relatively "normal" middle class people. 

I think the message I'm sending to my kids is far from a bad one.  I'm telling them that there is no way I would rather spend a weekend than spending time with them and working to contribute to the financial security and well-being of my family.  I'm telling them that caring for them and sending them to college means more to me than superficial pride ever will.  And I'm showing them that they need to spend their time - even weekend - reaching out and directly obtaining success if they really want it.

TLDR:  Don't knock it until you try it.

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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2016, 04:44:00 PM »
It's a troll, people! post count =1
I'm sure the mods can confirm that my IP is not a proxy and doesn't match any other poster.  I'm new but not screwing with you.

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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2016, 04:51:21 PM »
Well after you're done with that, you can take your kids to the soup kitchen for a free meal! Let them eat next to druggies and street urchins.
After you're done there, you can sleep it off at the homeless shelter down the street. You can also get food stamps, assisted living, actual free healthcare, and pay zero taxes. Wow, so many advantages.

I mean, if you consider the long-term effects on your children, you are either
A. teaching your spawn how to live and survive in a ruthless world when they too hit rock bottom.
or B. teaching your child to not be like you and live the way you live your life. They'll probably run away at 16 and grow up to be a successful contributing member of society instead. They can tell stories about how their parent(s) were awful people, but taught them important lessons about what not to do. 

Luckily, the rest of society is compassionate enough to let you go on living.
If you do this in mainland China, you'll get shaken down at the end of the day by street thugs... If you don't have the money, they'll take your kids, break their little legs and put them on the streets to actually beg for money.. Not joking, it's very sad..
Also no one gives money over there anyway. Compassion is such a foreign notion in big city China.. :(

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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2016, 04:59:37 PM »
street urchins.
I can't tell if you are trolling or seriously going full-Charles-Dickens here.

I have a good income (very low six figures) and am fully capable of supporting my family without panhandling.  I do it because it's a nice way to get outside, spend time with my kids, and make a little bit of extra money.  I also think it gives them an appreciation for what it's like to need to spend time on the streets.  Believe it or not, I do want them to spend time with "street urchins" and the like, because I want them to know that every human being has inherent worth and dignity.

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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2016, 05:04:24 PM »

I can't tell if you are trolling or seriously going full-Charles-Dickens here.



omg hilarious ironic turnabout. Well done

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« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2016, 05:04:37 PM »
Morals aside, just seems like a shitty way to spend your time...it's like the worse of a frugal mindset that will never get you anywhere...

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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2016, 05:07:05 PM »
Morals aside, just seems like a shitty way to spend your time...it's like the worse of a frugal mindset that will never get you anywhere...
*shrug*

I mean, I get it.  It's not terribly exciting, but I spend about 60 hours a week working in an office and away from my family.  It's nice to just sit outside when the weather is nice, hanging out with my kids, without really any demands on my time.  It's hardly exciting, but it's definitely relaxing.  Not for everyone.

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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2016, 05:08:54 PM »
I find it questionable.  You are preying on others' compassion and kindness for personal benefit.

Why don't you change the sign to

"I make a 6 figure salary.  Please give me some money.  Thank you".

Because of this I might stop giving to beggars because maybe they can't be trusted.   Now you are affecting others who actually need some help.

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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2016, 05:16:55 PM »
I find it questionable.  You are preying on others' compassion and kindness for personal benefit.

Why don't you change the sign to

"I make a 6 figure salary.  Please give me some money.  Thank you".

Because of this I might stop giving to beggars because maybe they can't be trusted.   Now you are affecting others who actually need some help.
I completely understand this argument, but I just don't agree.  In other cultures and societies, asking for money and favors isn't considered shameful the way it is here.  Pride is a big part of being an American, and people just assume that there's something inherently wrong with asking others for money (there isn't - people are perfectly within their rights to say no and keep their money, and I would never think ill of them for choosing to do so).  Because of that, people assume facts not in evidence when they see a person panhandling, i.e., that the panhandler must be so poor and broken in spirit that he or she has absolutely no other alternative.  But some people just like fresh air, want a little money, and don't mind the relatively low hourly return and unpredictability that comes with panhandling. 

To your point, I will actually use that suggestion for a sign next time I panhandle, and I doubt it will change my net take at all.  In all likelihood, people will see a sign that says "I make a 6-figure salary" and think "Oh, he's using an ironic panhandling sign to be funny" and not "That is an accurate representation of this pandhandler's income" even if, in my case, it somewhat unusually is.

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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2016, 05:17:44 PM »
I'm actually genuinely surprised I'm the only person on here who panhandles.  It's an easy and kinda fun way to add a few hundred bucks to your monthly income.

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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2016, 05:25:42 PM »
The technical term for this is "flying a flag"; saves words describing the technique in detail every time, which is one of the (minor) purposes of professional jargon.

The kids are a great multiplier, as OP has found, but if you aren't willing to have kids just to up your game dogs -small, sad-looking dogs are the best pick- are a boost that more than pays out in just minutes, down on the main drag.

There are tons of people -some of them have already posted in this thread- who would cheerfully see a flag-flying panhandler flayed & fricasseed but equally enthusiastically cough up the bux if a sweet, blameless doggie were added to the equation.

Warning note: don't have a bicycle anywhere in sight.  Nobody in a car -even a cycling bigot temporarily behind the wheel- likes to see a panhandling cyclist.
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« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2016, 05:35:34 PM »
I find it questionable.  You are preying on others' compassion and kindness for personal benefit.

Why don't you change the sign to

"I make a 6 figure salary.  Please give me some money.  Thank you".

Because of this I might stop giving to beggars because maybe they can't be trusted.   Now you are affecting others who actually need some help.
I completely understand this argument, but I just don't agree.  In other cultures and societies, asking for money and favors isn't considered shameful the way it is here.  Pride is a big part of being an American, and people just assume that there's something inherently wrong with asking others for money (there isn't - people are perfectly within their rights to say no and keep their money, and I would never think ill of them for choosing to do so).  Because of that, people assume facts not in evidence when they see a person panhandling, i.e., that the panhandler must be so poor and broken in spirit that he or she has absolutely no other alternative.  But some people just like fresh air, want a little money, and don't mind the relatively low hourly return and unpredictability that comes with panhandling. 

To your point, I will actually use that suggestion for a sign next time I panhandle, and I doubt it will change my net take at all.  In all likelihood, people will see a sign that says "I make a 6-figure salary" and think "Oh, he's using an ironic panhandling sign to be funny" and not "That is an accurate representation of this pandhandler's income" even if, in my case, it somewhat unusually is.

You are lying.  The concept of lying is not only about factual truth, but also about intent to deceive.  You are deceiving people.  It is generally accepted that people begging for money actually need the money, and you know that.  You shrug it off as "well people shouldn't make assumptions".  You are following a pattern that people typically follow when they desperately need money, and a pattern that you know people will accept at face value, and using it for personal gain. It's lying.

You are right people might perceive the sign as a joke.   Also tell them that you are serious, you are just doing this to take in a few extra bucks, and for discussion fodder on an internet forum.

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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2016, 05:44:50 PM »
I find it questionable.  You are preying on others' compassion and kindness for personal benefit.

Why don't you change the sign to

"I make a 6 figure salary.  Please give me some money.  Thank you".

Because of this I might stop giving to beggars because maybe they can't be trusted.   Now you are affecting others who actually need some help.
I completely understand this argument, but I just don't agree.  In other cultures and societies, asking for money and favors isn't considered shameful the way it is here.  Pride is a big part of being an American, and people just assume that there's something inherently wrong with asking others for money (there isn't - people are perfectly within their rights to say no and keep their money, and I would never think ill of them for choosing to do so).  Because of that, people assume facts not in evidence when they see a person panhandling, i.e., that the panhandler must be so poor and broken in spirit that he or she has absolutely no other alternative.  But some people just like fresh air, want a little money, and don't mind the relatively low hourly return and unpredictability that comes with panhandling. 

To your point, I will actually use that suggestion for a sign next time I panhandle, and I doubt it will change my net take at all.  In all likelihood, people will see a sign that says "I make a 6-figure salary" and think "Oh, he's using an ironic panhandling sign to be funny" and not "That is an accurate representation of this pandhandler's income" even if, in my case, it somewhat unusually is.

You are lying.  The concept of lying is not only about factual truth, but also about intent to deceive.  You are deceiving people.  It is generally accepted that people begging for money actually need the money, and you know that.  You shrug it off as "well people shouldn't make assumptions".  You are following a pattern that people typically follow when they desperately need money, and a pattern that you know people will accept at face value, and using it for personal gain. It's lying.

You are right people might perceive the sign as a joke.   Also tell them that you are serious, you are just doing this to take in a few extra bucks, and for discussion fodder on an internet forum.
I am exploiting the unfounded assumptions of others for personal monetary gain, yes.  But I'm not lying, and there's a genuine difference.  When people give me money when I'm panhandling, they might very well be thinking - more or less incorrectly - that their dollar is going to buy much-needed food for a desperately impoverished man and his children, when in fact that dollar is going to buy me about 1/190th of another share of VOO for my portfolio.  But they offered me the dollar because parting with their money on the basis of their stupid assumption made them feel good.

This is no different than the manner in which luxury goods merchants ply their wares.  Fancy companies sell t-shirts for $75, knowing full-well that there is no qualitative difference between their shirts and $5 t-shirts, and knowing that sucker consumers will happily plunk down the $75 because of the stupid and unfounded assumption that doing so will cause a benefit to inure to them (the love of sexy ladies, the admiration of strangers, etc.)  Retailers know this assumption is bunk, and they trade on it for profit anyhow.

What I'm doing is no different and certainly no worse.  If anything, it's better, because I'm not exploiting some Central American factory force in the process.

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« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2016, 05:57:34 PM »
What you need to do is set up a go fund me account with some sob story about how you can't afford a trip to Europe.  That is the moral way to do things nowadays.

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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2016, 06:04:39 PM »
I can appreciate the out-of-the-box thinking and challenging the status quo on these boards.  But I have to agree with the other posters here, even if you are not explicitly saying it you know what most* people will assume if they do see someone pan handling.

Another aspect of why I myself would not do it is because I would just be sitting there, yes you can read a book or talk to your kids.  In that aspect it would sound like the ideal way to make money, just do nothing and spend time with your kids with a simple sign.  However, there is still the questionable way I would be making money.  I'm not actually providing value to anyone and just relying on other's generosity.  I would not feel the sense of pride in acquiring a skill and using it that is meaningful to myself and others.  If I felt otherwise then I would just ask my friends and family for donations as I know they would give it to me and it would literally take me less than an hour of asking to get enough to last my family a month.

I think that most people on these boards that have chosen to work and not actually rely on the generosity of others or social services to make a living would feel the same way.  Which is why you are getting the responses you are getting and are a minority, if not the only one, that actually pan handles while making a six figure salary.


*I know a few people that pan handle in my neighborhood that I have seen take the train from downtown.  I presume they live in a nicer apartment than I do and just sit at the corner to collect money.  They are dressed cleanly and are very nice and engaging never actually asking for money.  They just have a cup out with change and money in it.

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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2016, 06:05:09 PM »
What you need to do is set up a go fund me account with some sob story about how you can't afford a trip to Europe.  That is the moral way to do things nowadays.
This is actually a pretty good point.  "Crowd-funding" is nothing more than panhandling over the internet.  I prefer to do my panhandling in person and without the pretense that I need money in order to record some kind of groundbreaking all-pan-flute concept album about cirrus clouds.

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« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2016, 06:08:37 PM »
I can appreciate the out-of-the-box thinking and challenging the status quo on these boards.  But I have to agree with the other posters here, even if you are not explicitly saying it you know what most* people will assume if they do see someone pan handling.

Another aspect of why I myself would not do it is because I would just be sitting there, yes you can read a book or talk to your kids.  In that aspect it would sound like the ideal way to make money, just do nothing and spend time with your kids with a simple sign.  However, there is still the questionable way I would be making money.  I'm not actually providing value to anyone and just relying on other's generosity.  I would not feel the sense of pride in acquiring a skill and using it that is meaningful to myself and others.  If I felt otherwise then I would just ask my friends and family for donations as I know they would give it to me and it would literally take me less than an hour of asking to get enough to last my family a month.

I think that most people on these boards that have chosen to work and not actually rely on the generosity of others or social services to make a living would feel the same way.  Which is why you are getting the responses you are getting and are a minority, if not the only one, that actually pan handles while making a six figure salary.


*I know a few people that pan handle in my neighborhood that I have seen take the train from downtown.  I presume they live in a nicer apartment than I do and just sit at the corner to collect money.  They are dressed cleanly and are very nice and engaging never actually asking for money.  They just have a cup out with change and money in it.
I actually think that in a bizarre way I am conferring a benefit onto people when I panhandle.  Most of the people who give me money do so because it makes them feel good to do so, not because they woke up that morning and wanted to get rid of a dollar.  By pandhandling and accepting the money they give me, it allows them to go about the rest of their day feeling like the sorts of good, generous people who help out a panhandler. 

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« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2016, 06:22:02 PM »
I am exploiting the unfounded assumptions of others for personal monetary gain, yes.  But I'm not lying, and there's a genuine difference. 

Their assumptions are not unfounded.  Panhandlers typically are in desperate straits and need the money.  So you are not exploiting *unfounded* assumptions, you are exploiting a *common and well founded* assumption.  Furthermore, typically people are polite and won't pry into details, when giving handouts to pan handlers, so you are exploiting the politeness of people that might otherwise want to know of your deception.

And there is no difference between lying and deceiving.  Again, lying is not solely about factual correctness, it also contains elements of *intent*.  If you intend to deceive, i.e. in this case exploit a common assumption by mimicking the behavior of those typically in need, bringing children to play to your victims' compassion, and relying on the cover of peoples' typical desire not to embarrass,  you are lying.

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When people give me money when I'm panhandling, they might very well be thinking - more or less incorrectly - that their dollar is going to buy much-needed food for a desperately impoverished man and his children, when in fact that dollar is going to buy me about 1/190th of another share of VOO for my portfolio.  But they offered me the dollar because parting with their money on the basis of their stupid assumption made them feel good.

I would guess that they offered you money out of desire to help, not necessarily for some feeling of satisfaction. 


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This is no different than the manner in which luxury goods merchants ply their wares.  Fancy companies sell t-shirts for $75, knowing full-well that there is no qualitative difference between their shirts and $5 t-shirts, and knowing that sucker consumers will happily plunk down the $75 because of the stupid and unfounded assumption that doing so will cause a benefit to inure to them (the love of sexy ladies, the admiration of strangers, etc.)  Retailers know this assumption is bunk, and they trade on it for profit anyhow.

The analogy is flawed.  In your case, you are mimicking the behavior of desperate people.  People think you are desperate, and give you money.   For the $75 T-shirt example, people know that there are $5 alternatives that are functionality equivalent, if not fashionably equivalent.  For the T-shirt scenario, the buyer typically knows that advertising is selling a fiction.  I don't watch an Axe body spray commercial and then reasonably think an army of hot women is going to emerge from an ocean, unable to resist my charms, if I use it.   In your case, there is no expectation of deception, and the cover of the societal norm to not pry into finances (and to not embarrass), shielding you scheme. 

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What I'm doing is no different and certainly no worse.  If anything, it's better, because I'm not exploiting some Central American factory force in the process.

It is different as I just argued.  Regardless of that, I agree that advertising can be morally questionable, but that's a completely different debate. 

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« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2016, 06:27:04 PM »
I can appreciate the out-of-the-box thinking and challenging the status quo on these boards.  But I have to agree with the other posters here, even if you are not explicitly saying it you know what most* people will assume if they do see someone pan handling.

Another aspect of why I myself would not do it is because I would just be sitting there, yes you can read a book or talk to your kids.  In that aspect it would sound like the ideal way to make money, just do nothing and spend time with your kids with a simple sign.  However, there is still the questionable way I would be making money.  I'm not actually providing value to anyone and just relying on other's generosity.  I would not feel the sense of pride in acquiring a skill and using it that is meaningful to myself and others.  If I felt otherwise then I would just ask my friends and family for donations as I know they would give it to me and it would literally take me less than an hour of asking to get enough to last my family a month.

I think that most people on these boards that have chosen to work and not actually rely on the generosity of others or social services to make a living would feel the same way.  Which is why you are getting the responses you are getting and are a minority, if not the only one, that actually pan handles while making a six figure salary.


*I know a few people that pan handle in my neighborhood that I have seen take the train from downtown.  I presume they live in a nicer apartment than I do and just sit at the corner to collect money.  They are dressed cleanly and are very nice and engaging never actually asking for money.  They just have a cup out with change and money in it.
I actually think that in a bizarre way I am conferring a benefit onto people when I panhandle.  Most of the people who give me money do so because it makes them feel good to do so, not because they woke up that morning and wanted to get rid of a dollar.  By pandhandling and accepting the money they give me, it allows them to go about the rest of their day feeling like the sorts of good, generous people who help out a panhandler.

Ha.  Wow.  Yeah I imagine they would enjoy it about as much as madoff's victims enjoyed feeling they were making a good investment.

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« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2016, 06:53:45 PM »
I am exploiting the unfounded assumptions of others for personal monetary gain, yes.  But I'm not lying, and there's a genuine difference. 

Their assumptions are not unfounded.  Panhandlers typically are in desperate straits and need the money.  So you are not exploiting *unfounded* assumptions, you are exploiting a *common and well founded* assumption.  Furthermore, typically people are polite and won't pry into details, when giving handouts to pan handlers, so you are exploiting the politeness of people that might otherwise want to know of your deception.

Eh...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/shane-warren-speegle-says_n_1694577.html

http://www.kcra.com/news/selfproclaimed-professional-panhandlers-net-182-per-hour/23849924

http://wgntv.com/2014/11/12/pregnant-panhandler-stirs-up-anger-after-driving-off-in-a-mercedes-benz/

http://www.ibtimes.com/how-much-do-panhandlers-make-new-york-city-homeless-man-earns-200-hour-sitting-2181312

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Re: Has anyone tried panhandling?
« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2016, 07:01:48 PM »
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For the last two weeks, I've taken my kids (I have a boy and a girl, ages 13 and 8, respectively) out with me.  They get signs of their own - same wording, although my daughter insisted on decorating hers with unicorn stickers. 

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Pushed the troll envelope too far for believability. No way kids that age would feel anything but horribly mortified by this activity (not to mention, be bored out of their minds standing on a street corner for hours at a time).

If this is in fact real, you must be aware that you are diverting finite resources from those for whom those dollars are the difference between eating and not eating today. It's the same reason why people would be offended if you misrepresented your circumstances (even if you narrowly define "lying," you are most certainly misrepresenting) in order to get food stamps, housing assistance, or other charitable support. If you also think that that would be a morally acceptable way to "not be a sucker," then fine - congratulations. You're clever enough to have beaten the system and wrestled a few extra dollars away from the people our system most profoundly fails. But it's a serious asshole move regardless.

I don't love companies that sell t-shirts with a $70-dollar markup, but at least they're only exploiting their customers' vanity, and they're prohibited from either direct or implied false advertising. You're exploiting the public's sense of compassion and good will toward humanity. Fuck that noise.

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Re: Has anyone tried panhandling?
« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2016, 07:06:34 PM »
Deplorable.

You could also spend time outside teaching your kids to provide a service to society by mowing lawns or delivering newspapers. You would make more and your kids would learn important life lessons.

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Re: Has anyone tried panhandling?
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2016, 07:14:57 PM »
I too hope this is a joke otherwise it is disgusting.

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Re: Has anyone tried panhandling?
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2016, 07:15:54 PM »
I think if you ever volunteer where you are exposed to people with actual needs, such as real poverty, real disabilities, real neglectful parents, and other real life people experiencing problems you cannot even relate to, that you will feel like a horrible person for having done this.

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Re: Has anyone tried panhandling?
« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2016, 07:22:54 PM »
I don't see this being different than someone that artificially keeps their early retirement income low to take advantage of social benefits such as healthcare subsidies or tax breaks.

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Re: Has anyone tried panhandling?
« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2016, 07:23:26 PM »
yeah, this is really shitty, and I hope it's a troll. For me it's not about exploiting the unsuspecting donor, but you're taking money away from people who actually need it. Say someone gives you the $10 in cash they had in their wallet, what happens when they see another (actually homeless) person standing at the next intersection? They drive right on by, having done their good deed for the day and with no more cash to give.

congratulations. You're clever enough to have beaten the system and wrestled a few extra dollars away from the people our system most profoundly fails. But it's a serious asshole move regardless.


Agreed.

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Re: Has anyone tried panhandling?
« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2016, 07:27:56 PM »
Not funny. Some people need a slap upside the head. You are one such person. Grow up.

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Re: Has anyone tried panhandling?
« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2016, 08:21:28 PM »
Probably a troll, but if not, at least play an instrument or break dance or something.  I can respect that.

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Re: Has anyone tried panhandling?
« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2016, 08:48:54 PM »
I recently read a news article about a teacher in Hong Kong who took his students out panhandling for a day.  It was for the experience not the money of course.  As you can imagine, some parents thought it was crazy.  But there were also parents who thought it was a good way to teach humility to their kids.  Most importantly, the students in general viewed it as a positive experience.

It can be a valuable experience if done sparingly.  But it's a totally different story if you do it regularly, and actually for the money.

OP, why don't you donate half (or more) of your "earnings" and keep what's left?  Your kids will learn the same lessons and the money will go where it's really needed.  It just sounds like the right thing to do.

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Re: Has anyone tried panhandling?
« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2016, 08:58:13 PM »
So would this be considered earned income?   If you were retired, could you use this earned income to get a government saver's credit by funding a Roth with it, thus also scamming uncle sam for $1000.

Hilarious.   Get $2000 from panhandling, file it as earned income and get another $1000 from Uncle Sam.

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Re: Has anyone tried panhandling?
« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2016, 09:13:06 PM »
Laughing because bobechs has this so down to a fine art. Dirty ugly scruffy little dog sounds like just the ticket. And definitely don't piss off potential donors with a pretentious bicycle! Panhandlers should absolutely be on foot.

Probably a troll, but if not, at least play an instrument or break dance or something.  I can respect that.

This.

I know it would be different for me in some countries where lepers and blind people literally sit in their own piss on the street starving, but in N. America most panhandlers do just fine, and I feel no guilt passing them by.

If you really want to do right by your kids, then give your kids piano lessons. If you must insist on exploiting them, have them play piano at the mall for donations in a tip jar with no sign at all . . . they will rake it in and more than pay for their lessons. The late king of pop's daddy knew what he was doing in this regard.

At least with piano lessons they now have a skill which involves actual productive brain development rather than lying and manipulation.

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Re: Has anyone tried panhandling?
« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2016, 09:26:43 PM »

At least with piano lessons they now have a skill which involves actual productive brain development rather than lying and manipulation.

But what if the OP wants his kids to be politicians?

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Re: Has anyone tried panhandling?
« Reply #44 on: May 10, 2016, 09:29:20 PM »
Not necessarily Pan Handling, but my 14 year old daughter sold lemonade on Main Street of our little town. She got tons of questions of what charity she was raising money for.  She told them that she wanted to buy school clothes.  She netted like $135 in two hours after paying for the lemonade, cups, ice.

She wanted to do it every weekend, but I discourage her as I was confident that she would be shut down by the police. 

She also has played her guitar close to the same spot.  She regularly makes $20-$30 an hour playing.

People have money to throw away and they like to support kids.  I actually over pay the newspaper girl and would buy lemonade as I did both of those things as a kid. 

Funny how much money a person could make working a circuit. 


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Re: Has anyone tried panhandling?
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2016, 09:30:38 PM »
Hope this is a joke, because it's a pretty fucked up thing to do.

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Re: Has anyone tried panhandling?
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2016, 09:53:09 PM »
Yes! Yes!

We have done this.

Sort of.

My 13 y.o. son was raising money for his New Zealand Exchange trip over a 12 month period.  (He just came back).   
The group "panhandling" was scheduled, in uniforms, and held tin cans in front of Walmart, grocery stores, etc. (with store permission).   They did not say anything other than that they were raising money as part of the XX group to fund an exchange trip.  (Uniforms were very identifiable by most.)   

They split the proceeds across all shifts and kids participating equally by the hours each spent standing there.
He made $1500 doing this... Older kids taking more shifts made $3500...in one year  making at least $20 per hour and some of the spots / times were pretty poor.   Most of the money was loonies, toonies and loose change.


SO close to pure panhandling, that I had trouble with it, as it was for personal costs of the group trip.   But no other work he could get  / did would raise the same money per hour, or let him work for 4 hour shifts to generate more money faster.   

(His paper route was $8/hr, mowing lawns was at $12/hr minus equipment costs, he referees 1.5 hr games now for $10-$15/hr, bottle drives are taken over by the scouts, etc., )


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Re: Has anyone tried panhandling?
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2016, 10:15:25 PM »
Great post.  My dad likes to watch the local pan-handlers, he studies them.  There is one particular sweet spot at the intersection of a freeway off-ramp and a major road.  He sees the same dude there -with dog every day-- making tons of money.    Sometimes the dude gets kicked out and someone else get the spot.  There is another spot down the road, which was held by one particular lady.  She was there several weeks, then one day  she got bumped and my dad saw her working further down the block.  My dad took a picture of another spot, 2 guys sitting against a power pole,  surfing on their cell phones, waiting their turn for the primo spot.  Another pan-handler arrested for tax evasion, for not reporting his income.    You can't hide from the IRS. 

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Re: Has anyone tried panhandling?
« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2016, 10:20:15 PM »
Your point is made, albeit in a hackneyed manner. Try something more original next time.

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Re: Has anyone tried panhandling?
« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2016, 10:25:08 PM »
So would this be considered earned income?   If you were retired, could you use this earned income to get a government saver's credit by funding a Roth with it, thus also scamming uncle sam for $1000.

Hilarious.   Get $2000 from panhandling, file it as earned income and get another $1000 from Uncle Sam.

It could be considered self employed income if done regularly.